Rank These RBs -- Mid 3rd to 4th (1 Viewer)

[kyoun1e]

I feel like the ranking of these RBs that you can get around mid 3rd and 4th is critical to the draft this year. If you go WR-WR in ppr you've got to nail your RB1 and possible RB2 here.

I'm assuming Zeke, L. Miller, T. Gurley, and Lynch are gone.

The RBs in question:

1. I. Crowell -- Crappy team, but should get the workload. Maybe Kizer can move this offense?

2. C. McCaffrey -- Think the talent and opportunity is there. Going in the 2nd now though...

3. D. Cook -- Offensive line and Murray are concerns, but this guy clearly has talent and they drafted him high for a reason.

4. K. Hunt -- Opportunity is now there and you can't pooh pooh A. Reid's history with RBs.

5. T. Montgomery -- Concern with drafted RBs and sickle cell, but there's a lot to like in that GB offense and he looked good last year.

6. L. Fornette -- Many will probably disagree with me here, but fear that JAX/Bortles risk high. Don't want him in 2nd round.

7. C. Hyde -- Seems criminally undervalued. Dropping to 5th/6th round in mocks. I like him in 4th ideally as #2 RB.

8. J. Mixon -- Love the talent but a lot of cooks in the kitchen with Gio and Hill.

Thoughts?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Only 2 of these backs, Fornette and Hunt, are locks for 250+ carries.

But you mentioned PPR, so

Crowell/McCaffrey/Cook - of these, I prefer Cook (anti-Murray bias)

Fornette/Hunt - of these, I prefer Hunt (anti-Jags bias)

Montgomery/Hyde - of these, I prefer Hyde (anti-RBs wearing 8x on their jersey)

Mixon - full blown RBBC

 

[kyoun1e]

Only 2 of these backs, Fornette and Hunt, are locks for 250+ carries.

But you mentioned PPR, so

Crowell/McCaffrey/Cook - of these, I prefer Cook (anti-Murray bias)

Fornette/Hunt - of these, I prefer Hunt (anti-Jags bias)

Montgomery/Hyde - of these, I prefer Hyde (anti-RBs wearing 8x on their jersey)

Mixon - full blown RBBC

I wonder if Hunt is guaranteed 250 carries considering Reid's frustrating use of Ware last year. Would think Crowell would come close.

 

[dblock05]

Hyde is not going to be there in the 6th....maybe early 5th but doubt that.

with that said, I would go with Hyde, Hunt and Ty Mont

 

[SoBeDad]

I feel like the ranking of these RBs that you can get around mid 3rd and 4th is critical to the draft this year. If you go WR-WR in ppr you've got to nail your RB1 and possible RB2 here.

I'm assuming Zeke, L. Miller, T. Gurley, and Lynch are gone.

The RBs in question:

1. I. Crowell -- Crappy team, but should get the workload. Maybe Kizer can move this offense?

2. C. McCaffrey -- Think the talent and opportunity is there. Going in the 2nd now though...

3. D. Cook -- Offensive line and Murray are concerns, but this guy clearly has talent and they drafted him high for a reason.

4. K. Hunt -- Opportunity is now there and you can't pooh pooh A. Reid's history with RBs.

5. T. Montgomery -- Concern with drafted RBs and sickle cell, but there's a lot to like in that GB offense and he looked good last year.

6. L. Fornette -- Many will probably disagree with me here, but fear that JAX/Bortles risk high. Don't want him in 2nd round.

7. C. Hyde -- Seems criminally undervalued. Dropping to 5th/6th round in mocks. I like him in 4th ideally as #2 RB.

8. J. Mixon -- Love the talent but a lot of cooks in the kitchen with Gio and Hill.

Thoughts?

Crowell is  a very good back with a very good o-line. He'll get goal line carries - there might be only a few. He also caught 40 passes last year. Hopefully Kizer will improve throughout the year.

The SF offense should be better than last year, so Hyde's numbers will go up. I agree that he is the best value.

 

[Slapdash]

Crowell is  a very good back with a very good o-line. He'll get goal line carries - there might be only a few. He also caught 40 passes last year. Hopefully Kizer will improve throughout the year.

The SF offense should be better than last year, so Hyde's numbers will go up. I agree that he is the best value.

I think both of these things too.

 

[NYRAGE]

I wonder if Hunt is guaranteed 250 carries considering Reid's frustrating use of Ware last year. Would think Crowell would come close.

People seem to be forgetting how West would come in on third down and take away Ware's receiving value. I would not be surprised to see a similar mix this year.

 

[Chaka]

I feel like the ranking of these RBs that you can get around mid 3rd and 4th is critical to the draft this year. If you go WR-WR in ppr you've got to nail your RB1 and possible RB2 here.

I'm assuming Zeke, L. Miller, T. Gurley, and Lynch are gone.

The RBs in question:

1. I. Crowell -- Crappy team, but should get the workload. Maybe Kizer can move this offense?

2. C. McCaffrey -- Think the talent and opportunity is there. Going in the 2nd now though...

3. D. Cook -- Offensive line and Murray are concerns, but this guy clearly has talent and they drafted him high for a reason.

4. K. Hunt -- Opportunity is now there and you can't pooh pooh A. Reid's history with RBs.

5. T. Montgomery -- Concern with drafted RBs and sickle cell, but there's a lot to like in that GB offense and he looked good last year.

6. L. Fornette -- Many will probably disagree with me here, but fear that JAX/Bortles risk high. Don't want him in 2nd round.

7. C. Hyde -- Seems criminally undervalued. Dropping to 5th/6th round in mocks. I like him in 4th ideally as #2 RB.

8. J. Mixon -- Love the talent but a lot of cooks in the kitchen with Gio and Hill.

Thoughts?

Crowell, McCaffrey, Hunt, Cook, Hyde, Mixon, Fournette, Montgomery.

Crowell is a lock for me. Best of the bunch, least competition best offensive line by far.

McCaffrey/Hunt/Cook are really a coin flip. Hunt should probably be at the top of this group but I won't fault those who choose a different flavor.

Hyde is vastly underrated IMO. I love Shanny's RB and Hyde is Shanny's RB.

I can see the argument for Mixon with the McC/Hunt/Cook group but I think he is going to lose time early season to Hill and Bernard will still get his all season. Plus that offensive line looks like the worst of the bunch.

Fournette is probably more talented than this ranking but just so many little things...

Montgomery I think may fit the GB offense better than Lacy but I don't think he's better than Lacy.  Hope that makes sense.  Plus there are some injury/healing concerns.

 

[tjnc09]

Crowell is  a very good back with a very good o-line. He'll get goal line carries - there might be only a few. He also caught 40 passes last year. Hopefully Kizer will improve throughout the year.

The SF offense should be better than last year, so Hyde's numbers will go up. I agree that he is the best value.

Agree

Crowell averaged 6ypc out of the shotgun last year and Kizer ran >90% of his college in sg also. Improved OL and defense, sharps on Cleveland over Vegas win totals so should have more positive game flows than last year.

I think SFs defense should also improve,keeping games more competitive, and sharps also on their season win total over - similar situation as Crowell.  

 

[Run It Up]

Assuming PPR

CMC > Crow > Cook > Ty > Hyde > Fournette > Hunt > Mixon

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Where does lynch go in this group?

 

[Nero]

Fournette

Hyde

McCaffrey

Crowell

Hunt

Montgomery

Cook

Mixon

 

[need2know]

Cmc

Cook

Hyde

Crowell

Fournette

Montgomery

Hunt

Mixon

 

[kyoun1e]

Decent amount of Hyde love here. I think the reason I have him down the list is because I'm pretty sure I can get him later anyway. For example, you could potentially get a T. Montgomery in Rd 4 and then Hyde in RD 5 if the chips fall the right way. Would be ideal if you've gone WR-WR-TE.

Still a bit nervous about the situation. Shanahan. Not his guy. Etc. Etc. In addition, I seem to remember that Chip Kelly would run the ball last year even when that team was down big. He didn't throw in the towel on the running game. Not sure what Shanahan will do here and if maybe he throws in the backups in catchup mode.

 

[BobbyLayne]

One data point - our 25 year redraft from Sunday, involved owners but hardly expert:

1. Fournette 3.01 (#25), RB13
   
2. Cook 3.03 (#27), RB14
   
3. Crowell 3.04 (#28), RB15
   
4. McCaffrey 3.12 (#36), RB16
   
5. Hyde 4.03 (#39), RB17
   
6. Hunt 4.06 (#42), RB18
   
7. Montgomery 4.12 (#48), RB19
   
8. Mixon 5.03, (#51), RB20
   

Bolded were mine.

 

[Jayded]

Where does lynch go in this group?

I've got it:

Leonard Fournette
Dalvin Cook
Marshawn Lynch
Kareem Hunt
Isaiah Crowell 
Carlos Hyde 
Christian McCaffrey 
Lamar Miller
Ty Montgomery
Joe Mixon
 

Fournette gets the volume only Lynch and/or Hunt may. Two through four all come with question marks but I feel will finish relatively close to one another so I like Cook's upside for PPR especially, though I wouldn't fault anyone for going with Hunt or Lynch. I flip and flop between Crowell and Hyde where they are but like Hyde at his price over Crowell. McCaffrey is going way too high for me in redraft because Cam and Stewart will steal some TDs. I'm a Texans fan and intentionally left Lamar Miller on here because I think folks are way overdrafting him for where he'll eventually land. I like Mixon's raw talent a lot but his situation is too muddy for me to want to get into this year.

 

[matttyl]

Where would the two New Orleans backs fit in here?  After all these, assuming neither get injured?

 

[iamkoza]

People seem to be forgetting how West would come in on third down and take away Ware's receiving value. I would not be surprised to see a similar mix this year.

matt walderman had a post showing hunt whiffing in pass pro, it would be surprising if west's usage IS reduced as compared to last year

 

[kyoun1e]

One data point - our 25 year redraft from Sunday, involved owners but hardly expert:

1. Fournette 3.01 (#25), RB13
   
2. Cook 3.03 (#27), RB14
   
3. Crowell 3.04 (#28), RB15
   
4. McCaffrey 3.12 (#36), RB16
   
5. Hyde 4.03 (#39), RB17
   
6. Hunt 4.06 (#42), RB18
   
7. Montgomery 4.12 (#48), RB19
   
8. Mixon 5.03, (#51), RB20
   

Bolded were mine.

Every time I do a mock and I'm presented with I. Crowell over Cook/Hunt/MCF/Montgomery I just can't do it.

 

[need2know]

Every time I do a mock and I'm presented with I. Crowell over Cook/Hunt/MCF/Montgomery I just can't do it.

Whens the last time taking a Browns player early worked out?

 

[kyoun1e]

Whens the last time taking a Browns player early worked out?

Exactly.

3rd round? Can't do it. 

4th? Maybe.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Whens the last time taking a Browns player early worked out?

Kellen Winslow 2007. But he was probably coming off surgery and middle tier pick.

Does seem like a heavy enphassis on usage over talent in this thread. If I'm being honest, that is the mistake I've repeated often in 25 years of this hobby. I love upside & newness over known production with low ceilings. My teams are often young & start slowly. 

Seasons I've won points titles I never make it to Championship Sunday. Pretty sure my last 3-4 titles were 3/4/5 seeds that got hot late.  

 

[TheDirtyWord]

C. McCaffrey -- Of all the mentioned backs, Run CMC is the one that feels the most involved in the passing game.  Combined with fighting for snaps with Jonathan Stewart, think he's going to be BIG

L. Fornette -- The pedigree is up there with Zeke.  But in JAX, that's a snake-bitten team and their QB issues will make it tough sledding.

D. Cook -- Strong defense means game flow usually should keep him relevant.  Talent is 1st round pedigree.  OL needs to be better.

I. Crowell -- OL REALLY good, can't buy wholeheartedly into CLE yet though.  Rookie QB?

C. Hyde -- Underrated and may be the most bellcow on this list.  And with Shanny, there is offensive hope.

 K. Hunt -- His opportunity is significant, but hype seems to be around those who drafted him late getting a 3rd/4th round value.

T. Montgomery -- Has already had injury issues as a pro and that was largely playing WR.

J. Mixon -- Don't trust Marvin Lewis to bellcow him.  I actually see him being too cute with his RB snaps.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

McCaffrey/Hunt/Cook are really a coin flip. Hunt should probably be at the top of this group but I won't fault those who choose a different flavor.

Hyde is vastly underrated IMO. I love Shanny's RB and Hyde is Shanny's RB.

was staring at this list last night and couldn't figure out how to rank these four. I eventually pegged Hyde, Hunt, McCaffrey, Cook. I agree with this assessment completely, Shanny's offense for Hyde should be good and he's a known commodity as well as greatly undervalued so great adp. Of the other three Hunt looks like he's got the opportunity now so we'll see. McCaffrey looks to be the best talent in the bunch but I don't like where he landed from a fantasy production perspective. Hyde/Hunt will just have more opportunities IMO, including goal line. I haven't bought into Cook yet and would put Mixon and Montgomery ahead of him.

edit: oops, didn't realize lat murray has been out and cook is the starter. will have to look into him more.

 

[Tanner9919]

I'll take Mixon off the list , he's a p/t player.

Can't pull the trigger on Crowell no matter what. 8/9 in the box, stop the run, make Kizer beat you.pretty simple formula used since the down of football..Kizer playe puff piece defenses in preseason..dont kid yourselves here, there's barely a chance he survives as the starter by week 8..I have a hard time wrapping my head around the line 'Browns have a great o-line'. I didn't see that against the Giants they crushed that o-line. 

Cook is the best of the breed IMO..guaranteed 250+ carries, but somewhat skay fantasy postseason schedule - Carolina, Bengals,falcons.

Fournette is going to get his mojo going sooner or later, he's probably a wait-n-see RB early weeks, but should get rolling late in the year..and he plays 3 games AT home , warm weather, consecutive weeks during fantasy playoffs - colts, seahawks, texans..SF week 17 on the road, warm weather...this is a deal maker for me, this makes him worth the chance you take..

Hunt is also a clear cut starter with a chance at 250 carries..

Montgomery  has a tough run schedule, no easy way around it.

McCaffrey is hampered by two things: 1, do you really believe that Cam is going to stop scrambling and morphs into a pocket passer? no.2, do you think Jonathan stewart is going to disappear? no. McCaffrey will fight for receptions with Benjamin who looks ready to light the league on fire..I'm just not sure CMC is going to get the carries or recs per game to warrant his ADP..

how about we add Abdullah to this list in place of Mixon? clear cut starter, clearly the darling of the coaching staff that drafted him so high..maybe he puts it all together?

1. Cook

2. Hunt

3. Monty

4. Fournette

5. Abdullah

6.Crowell

7. CMC

is CMC a gimmick or a real deal player? not quite sure, but I'm not taking a chance either way.

 

[need2know]

I'll take Mixon off the list , he's a p/t player.

Can't pull the trigger on Crowell no matter what. 8/9 in the box, stop the run, make Kizer beat you.pretty simple formula used since the down of football..Kizer playe puff piece defenses in preseason..dont kid yourselves here, there's barely a chance he survives as the starter by week 8..I have a hard time wrapping my head around the line 'Browns have a great o-line'. I didn't see that against the Giants they crushed that o-line. 

Cook is the best of the breed IMO..guaranteed 250+ carries, but somewhat skay fantasy postseason schedule - Carolina, Bengals,falcons.

Fournette is going to get his mojo going sooner or later, he's probably a wait-n-see RB early weeks, but should get rolling late in the year..and he plays 3 games AT home , warm weather, consecutive weeks during fantasy playoffs - colts, seahawks, texans..SF week 17 on the road, warm weather...this is a deal maker for me, this makes him worth the chance you take..

Hunt is also a clear cut starter with a chance at 250 carries..

Montgomery  has a tough run schedule, no easy way around it.

McCaffrey is hampered by two things: 1, do you really believe that Cam is going to stop scrambling and morphs into a pocket passer? no.2, do you think Jonathan stewart is going to disappear? no. McCaffrey will fight for receptions with Benjamin who looks ready to light the league on fire..I'm just not sure CMC is going to get the carries or recs per game to warrant his ADP..

how about we add Abdullah to this list in place of Mixon? clear cut starter, clearly the darling of the coaching staff that drafted him so high..maybe he puts it all together?

1. Cook

2. Hunt

3. Monty

4. Fournette

5. Abdullah

6.Crowell

7. CMC

is CMC a gimmick or a real deal player? not quite sure, but I'm not taking a chance either way.

i ended up with cook as my rb2.  i was pretty pleased at first but the oline scares the hell out of me

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Crowell

Cook

McCaffery

Hunt

Fournette

Montgomery

Hyde

Mixon

Would slot Lynch above McCaffery in standard, and below in PPR (and in PPR, CMcC goes to #2). Very big on Beastmode behind that line even as a 2-down back. TD machine.

Lamar Miller I think has a place on this list, to me probably after Fournette but more safely between Hunt and Fournette.

 Abdullah looked good in a few preseason games I've caught him in -- above/around Mixon (both are likely mired in RBBC but have more stock in a known quantity at the NFL level like Abdullah).

Have no idea how to call what happens with Zeke, but right now would put him after Hunt.

 

[Bronco Billy]

matt walderman had a post showing hunt whiffing in pass pro, it would be surprising if west's usage IS reduced as compared to last year

Yeah, you'd think someone with Waldman's reputation for acumen would know better than to put so much emphasis on one play, especially in the context of the play in question and all the other evidence stating something otherwise.  I've found his judgment to be incrementally less and less reliable.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I like Hyde this year in the Shanny system.

 

[-OZ-]

Crowell is  a very good back with a very good o-line. He'll get goal line carries - there might be only a few. He also caught 40 passes last year. Hopefully Kizer will improve throughout the year.

The SF offense should be better than last year, so Hyde's numbers will go up. I agree that he is the best value.

I like Hyde this year in the Shanny system.

Yep. I'm all in on Hyde. Almost every league. If he does well I'll be very happy.

 

[-OZ-]

Crowell

Cook

McCaffery

Hunt

Fournette

Montgomery

Hyde

Mixon

Would slot Lynch above McCaffery in standard, and below in PPR (and in PPR, CMcC goes to #2). Very big on Beastmode behind that line even as a 2-down back. TD machine.

Lamar Miller I think has a place on this list, to me probably after Fournette but more safely between Hunt and Fournette.

 Abdullah looked good in a few preseason games I've caught him in -- above/around Mixon (both are likely mired in RBBC but have more stock in a known quantity at the NFL level like Abdullah).

Have no idea how to call what happens with Zeke, but right now would put him after Hunt.

Understand the thought on both bolded but Abdullah hasn't really proven anything. And if the team drafting Zeke can go .500 without him that team has a really good chance of winning the championship.

 

[Biabreakable]

Decent amount of Hyde love here. I think the reason I have him down the list is because I'm pretty sure I can get him later anyway. For example, you could potentially get a T. Montgomery in Rd 4 and then Hyde in RD 5 if the chips fall the right way. Would be ideal if you've gone WR-WR-TE.

Still a bit nervous about the situation. Shanahan. Not his guy. Etc. Etc. In addition, I seem to remember that Chip Kelly would run the ball last year even when that team was down big. He didn't throw in the towel on the running game. Not sure what Shanahan will do here and if maybe he throws in the backups in catchup mode.

I think most coaches would abandon the run when behind in the score more than Chip Kelly did with Hyde last year.

Hyde is their best receiving RB though. So I don't really see Williams or Brieda getting more opportunities to catch passes than Hyde when the 49ers do find themselves behind in the score.

Main concern with Hyde is that he gets injured again at some point. 

At least for 2017. Some of the concern about Hyde in 2018 and beyond is that the 49ers may not retain him and he goes to another team. Which from a dynasty perspective could be a good thing for Hydes value, a wash or some chance that it would be a downgrade. The intrigue about the other 49ers RB is driven in part from the possibility that the 49ers do not retain Hyde after this season, opening up opportunities for Williams, Breida next season to compete for the starting job. For 2017 if the 49ers are losing a lot, they might use one of their other RBs more to get a look at if those players can be counted on for 2018 to help their decision in free agency and the draft next year. How they will prioritize adding new RBs next year if they do let Hyde go.

I tend to think Hyde is injured at some point and they get a extended look at their other RB when he is out. If the 49ers keep Hyde after this season will likely depend on how well he does for them this year and how healthy he is. If he does well they likely give him a new deal. If he doesn't do well or gets hurt again, then they likely move on with a new RB, which could be Williams or Brieda, but my gut tells me will be a free agent or RB drafted in 2018. 

 

[Biabreakable]

I feel like the ranking of these RBs that you can get around mid 3rd and 4th is critical to the draft this year. If you go WR-WR in ppr you've got to nail your RB1 and possible RB2 here.

Thoughts?

Cook 

McCaffrey 

Fornette 

Hyde 

Hunt 

Martin

Mixon 

Crowell 

Montgomery 

For dynasty I would take Mixon over Hyde.

Earlier on this year I would have Fournette first for redraft leagues. But him being injured and continued poor outlook at the QB position as well as the offensive line had me downgrading him. I still think the offense will flow through Fournette which makes him the more likely bet to have the most rushing attempts out of the rookie RB. But the injury and just poor overall offense has me wondering about that. Cook and McCaffrey will very likely have more receptions than Fournette even if he is healthy all 16 games. Those opportunities are more valuable than rushing attempts. I think Fournette still has an edge in scoring TD in short yardage, but maybe not overall.

I could see having Hyde ahead of all the rookies, but I expect Hyde to miss some games.

 

[Snorkelson]

I'll take Mixon off the list , he's a p/t player.

Can't pull the trigger on Crowell no matter what. 8/9 in the box, stop the run, make Kizer beat you.pretty simple formula used since the down of football..Kizer playe puff piece defenses in preseason..dont kid yourselves here, there's barely a chance he survives as the starter by week 8..I have a hard time wrapping my head around the line 'Browns have a great o-line'. I didn't see that against the Giants they crushed that o-line. 

Cook is the best of the breed IMO..guaranteed 250+ carries, but somewhat skay fantasy postseason schedule - Carolina, Bengals,falcons.

Fournette is going to get his mojo going sooner or later, he's probably a wait-n-see RB early weeks, but should get rolling late in the year..and he plays 3 games AT home , warm weather, consecutive weeks during fantasy playoffs - colts, seahawks, texans..SF week 17 on the road, warm weather...this is a deal maker for me, this makes him worth the chance you take..

Hunt is also a clear cut starter with a chance at 250 carries..

Montgomery  has a tough run schedule, no easy way around it.

McCaffrey is hampered by two things: 1, do you really believe that Cam is going to stop scrambling and morphs into a pocket passer? no.2, do you think Jonathan stewart is going to disappear? no. McCaffrey will fight for receptions with Benjamin who looks ready to light the league on fire..I'm just not sure CMC is going to get the carries or recs per game to warrant his ADP..

how about we add Abdullah to this list in place of Mixon? clear cut starter, clearly the darling of the coaching staff that drafted him so high..maybe he puts it all together?

1. Cook

2. Hunt

3. Monty

4. Fournette

5. Abdullah

6.Crowell

7. CMC

is CMC a gimmick or a real deal player? not quite sure, but I'm not taking a chance either way.

Cmon man watch the college tape, watch the preseason tape, cmc is not a gimmick/gadget guy. He may not be better than 7 on this list for this year but can we stop acting as if this guy isn't supposed to be in the NFL?

I think hunt will continue to climb up the ranks. Hopefully he stays down the list on espn and yahoo to hide him. 

 

[Fever in the Funkhouse]

Cook 

McCaffrey 

Fornette 

Hyde 

Hunt 

Martin

Mixon 

Crowell 

Montgomery 

For dynasty I would take Mixon over Hyde.

Earlier on this year I would have Fournette first for redraft leagues. But him being injured and continued poor outlook at the QB position as well as the offensive line had me downgrading him. I still think the offense will flow through Fournette which makes him the more likely bet to have the most rushing attempts out of the rookie RB. But the injury and just poor overall offense has me wondering about that. Cook and McCaffrey will very likely have more receptions than Fournette even if he is healthy all 16 games. Those opportunities are more valuable than rushing attempts. I think Fournette still has an edge in scoring TD in short yardage, but maybe not overall.

I could see having Hyde ahead of all the rookies, but I expect Hyde to miss some games.

Out of curiosity, where would you slot Derrick Henry on your list, in dynasty ppr?

 

[Biabreakable]

Out of curiosity, where would you slot Derrick Henry on your list, in dynasty ppr?

After Crowell although he would be up with Hyde and Fournette if Murray were for some reason out of the picture.

 

[Interseptopus]

For redraft, IMO this would be how I would rank them:

1. Crowell - best OL, least competition, and can 
2. McCaffery
3. Fornette - volume
4. Hunt - I like Cook more than Hunt before the Ware injury but after Hunt is a lock for major volume
5. Cook 
6. Mixon
7. Hyde
8. Montgomery - people are quick to point out Mixon is RBBC but Montgomery is looking at the very same thing as Mixon, and Mixon is far more talented and useful. 

 

[nebfan]

Lots of good info here. Where does Powell fit in. I think he should be ahead of several of these guys mentioned. Am I wrong here?

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Understand the thought on both bolded but Abdullah hasn't really proven anything. And if the team drafting Zeke can go .500 without him that team has a really good chance of winning the championship.

Thanks, OZ, that's fair, my intent wasn't wasn't comparing the two from a talent perspective. My point about Abdullah was simply we know how his game translates to the NFL level -- you know what you are getting with Abdullah. He isn't an elite back, he shares touches with Riddick in the passing game and Zenner in the red zone, but he can be a credible run threat on 1st and 2nd downs, and ~200 carries isn't out of the question given how we've seen the distro shake out in DET when he's healthy.

I compare that to Mixon, who I really don't know what I'm getting with him. He has looked decent in preseason, but can he hold up at true game speed over the course of the season? Probably, giving him benefit of doubt, but there is also the uncertainty of the carry mix between him, Hill, and Gio. I don't know what I'm getting in Mixon compared to Abdullah.

As for Dallas, another fair point but the vaunted Dallas O-line lost Leary (FA to DEN) and Free (retired), so some shuffling will be inherent on that line, leaving LG and RT a little shakier and less of a veteran unit than they were in the past. Dak is mobile and Zeke is elite, which overcomes a lot, but how this O-line gels adds a little more risk compared to last year.

 

[Team Smokin']

I feel like the ranking of these RBs that you can get around mid 3rd and 4th is critical to the draft this year. If you go WR-WR in ppr you've got to nail your RB1 and possible RB2 here.

I'm assuming Zeke, L. Miller, T. Gurley, and Lynch are gone.

The RBs in question:

1. I. Crowell -- Crappy team, but should get the workload. Maybe Kizer can move this offense?

2. C. McCaffrey -- Think the talent and opportunity is there. Going in the 2nd now though...

3. D. Cook -- Offensive line and Murray are concerns, but this guy clearly has talent and they drafted him high for a reason.

4. K. Hunt -- Opportunity is now there and you can't pooh pooh A. Reid's history with RBs.

5. T. Montgomery -- Concern with drafted RBs and sickle cell, but there's a lot to like in that GB offense and he looked good last year.

6. L. Fornette -- Many will probably disagree with me here, but fear that JAX/Bortles risk high. Don't want him in 2nd round.

7. C. Hyde -- Seems criminally undervalued. Dropping to 5th/6th round in mocks. I like him in 4th ideally as #2 RB.

8. J. Mixon -- Love the talent but a lot of cooks in the kitchen with Gio and Hill.

Thoughts?

My goodness, this topic is soooo very relevant and to the point. All of these guys are bunched so close together. Rankings aside it comes down to gut and having the chips fall your way. Picking the top 2 for a turn, or anywhere in the draft for that matter, is critical to advancing or winning.

Rankings? What do they mean

Miller

Fournette

Crowell

Hyde

Lynch

McCaffrey

Hunt

Cook

Abdullah

Mixon

Who would I take as 1 / 2?

Probably Miller, Crowell, and then if Miller is gone (and I do not want him), I'd probably pick McCaffrey, but Hyde and Cook are looking kinda tasty. Man, tough call here.

 

[LawFitz]

The thing I've (re)learned about this tier of RBs after reading through this thread is that beauty is in the eye.

Personally, I think Mixon and McCaffrey have the most individual talent and will ball out later if not sooner, though especially for Mixon, a lot of patience with his roster spot may be required.

For redraft, the safest floor play feels to me like Crowell, and he does have decent upside to boot. Hue Jax has been saying all the right things about this guy this offseason. It may come down to how much the D has improved. They've added a ton of talent on D, plus Greg Williams. All of that bodes very well for more than a few caw caws this year.

Love Hyde's talent and optimistic about his situation, but feel like he's made of glass.

Hunt could be solid, but it's a steep price you're having to pay right now for what feels very much like good situation/opportunity and average talent. Rookie talent at that.

Not a fan of Fournette, Cook and TyMont this season for various reasons, including ADP/price.

I like Abdullah's price and upside, but like Hyde, he's a 'ride him hot, but don't count on full season production' type of player.

Also like McFadden and Powell as cheaper, similar alternatives to Hyde/Abdullah.

 

[mikel2014]

Whens the last time taking a Browns player early worked out?

Discounting entire teams works until it doesn't. Jaguars were avoided until Allen Robinson. Rams were avoided until Todd Gurley. Etc.

 

[need2know]

Discounting entire teams works until it doesn't. Jaguars were avoided until Allen Robinson. Rams were avoided until Todd Gurley. Etc.

I hear ya.  But I still avoid those players today

 

[-OZ-]

Discounting entire teams works until it doesn't. Jaguars were avoided until Allen Robinson. Rams were avoided until Todd Gurley. Etc.

Whom were two of the biggest busts last year.  

 

[Jayded]

Drafting today and I will post what happens in our draft.

The more I debate these guys, since they are the Rd 3-4 options likely in front of all of us, I'm wondering if the right move this year is to go WR or TE where these guys are going and see who falls. I'm growing more excited about getting a pairing like Kelce-D. Thomas and seeing if Hyde or Hunt or Lynch falls to grab in Rd 5 rather than overreaching for Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey, etc.

Anyone else starting to feel that way or are you strongly in a camp where these folks are tiered?

 

[Phenomena]

Drafting today and I will post what happens in our draft.

The more I debate these guys, since they are the Rd 3-4 options likely in front of all of us, I'm wondering if the right move this year is to go WR or TE where these guys are going and see who falls. I'm growing more excited about getting a pairing like Kelce-D. Thomas and seeing if Hyde or Hunt or Lynch falls to grab in Rd 5 rather than overreaching for Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey, etc.

Anyone else starting to feel that way or are you strongly in a camp where these folks are tiered?

The problem is that if you're in the 1.04 to 1.06 range in PPR you are most likely taking WR/WR just due to value so you kind of need to start looking at RBs in the third.  I took a chance and went with Cook at the 3.04 in a very high buy-in league because he still offers upside being taken around RB12. 

 

[Phenomena]

Whom were two of the biggest busts last year.  

zing

 

[mphtrilogy]

1. C. McCaffrey

2.  I. Crowell 

3. K. Hunt 

4. L. Fournette 

5. D. Cook 

6. C. Hyde 

7.  T. Montgomery 

8. J. Mixon 

 

[C-Bound]

The problem is that if you're in the 1.04 to 1.06 range in PPR you are most likely taking WR/WR just due to value so you kind of need to start looking at RBs in the third.  I took a chance and went with Cook at the 3.04 in a very high buy-in league because he still offers upside being taken around RB12. 

I'm picking at 1.06 in a PPR tonight.  Likely going WR then Zeke/Gronk/Rodgers/Brady next so definitely will have to hit on an RB in the 3rd and 4th

 

[Phenomena]

I'm picking at 1.06 in a PPR tonight.  Likely going WR then Zeke/Gronk/Rodgers/Brady next so definitely will have to hit on an RB in the 3rd and 4th

If Zeke is there at 2.05 don't hesitate. It's sounding likely his ban is going to get reduced from 6 to 4 games so he's a steal anywhere in the second.