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Rank these rookie LBs on talent and situation.. (1 Viewer)

KellysHeroes

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Rank these rookie LBs on talent and situation..

Okwo CHI, Black TB, Waters SD, Nicholas ATL, Durant JAX, Barnes BAL, DeOssie NYG, Session IND

 
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Waters

Durant

Black

Okwo

Barnes

Nicholas

DeOssie

Session

Hmmm, situation sure changes these alot

I like Waters, Durant and Black alot but they may not get a chance to start till next at the earliest

 
Work Out #s, i was going to do this in excel or something.. figure If I did it here, everyone can view

Willis: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.62 in the 40-yard dash … 365-pound bench press … 500-pound squat … 310-pound power clean … 38-inch vertical jump.

Combine: 4.51 in the 40-yard dash … Benched 225 pounds 22 times … 35-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-11 broad jump … 7.23 three cone drill.

Okwo: Height: 5-11 Weight: 232

Campus: 4.65 in the 40-yard dash … 350-pound bench press … 620-pound squat (tops among Stanford players on the 2006 roster) … 375-pound power clean (tied for first among 2006 Stanford players) … 4.54 20-yard shuttle … 7.25 three-cone drill … 10-foot-1 broad jump.

Combine: 4.77 in the 40-yard dash … 1.66 10-yard dash … 2.75 20-yard dash … 4.43 20-yard shuttle … 12.02 60-yard shuttle … 7.12 three-cone drill … 35½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-1 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 20 times.

Waters: Height: 6-3 Weight: 245

Campus: 4.62 in the 40-yard dash … 450-pound bench press … Benched 225 pounds 20 times … 490-pound squat … 365-pound power clean … 375-pound hang clean … 35Y-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-7 broad jump … 33-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … Right-handed.

Combine: Benched 225 pounds 25 times … Did not participate in agility drills due to recovery from knee injury.

Harris: Height: 6-2 Weight: 239

Campus: 4.66 in the 40-yard dash … 355-pound bench press … 30¾-inch arm length … 9 1/8-inch hands.

Combine: 4.59 in the 40-yard dash … 33-inch vertical jump … 8-foot-11 broad jump … 7.25 three-cone drill … Benched 225 pounds 23 times.

Durant: Height: 6-1 Weight: 235

Campus: 4.51 in the 40-yard dash … 340-pound bench press … Bench presses 225 pounds 25 times … 485-pound squat … 360-pound power clean … 32 3/8-inch arm length … 10-inch hands … Right-handed.

Combine: 4.51 in the 40-yard dash … Benched 225 pounds 25 times … 36-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-1 broad jump … 4.09 20-yard shuttle … 6.77 three cone drill.

Davis: Height: 5-10 Weight: 244

Campus: 4.61 in the 40-yard dash … 394-pound bench press … 534-pound squat … 347-pound power clean … 4.22 20-yard shuttle … 32½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot broad jump … 31¼-inch arm length … 10¼-inch hands … Right-handed … Wears contacts.

Combine: 4.64 in the 40-yard dash … Benched 225 pounds 24 times … 31-inch vertical jump … 8-foot-8 broad jump … 4.37 20-yard shuttle run … 7.28 three cone drill.

Barnes: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.55 10-yard dash … 2.58 20-yard dash … 35-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-2 broad jump … 4.32 20-yard shuttle … 12.16 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 31 times.

Beason: Height: 6-0 Weight: 236

Campus: 4.63 seconds in the 40-yard dash.

Black: Height: 6-2 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.7 in the 40-yard dash … 335-pound bench press … 415-pound squat … 352-pound power clean … School-record 42-inch vertical jump … 31 7/8-inch arm length … 10 3/4-inch hands … Right-handed … 20/26 Wonderlic score.

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.53 10-yard dash … 2.62 20-yard dash … 41 ½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-4 broad jump … 4.34 20-yard shuttle … 11.23 60-yard shuttle … 6.86 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 24 times.

DeOssie: Height: 6-5 Weight: 250

Campus: 4.58 in the 40-yard dash … 345-pound bench press … 445-pound squat … 313-pound power clean … 33-inch vertical jump … 34 3/8-inch arm length … 10¼-inch hands … Right-handed.

Combine: 4.58 in the 40-yard dash … 1.58 10-yard dash … 2.67 20-yard dash … 34½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-2 broad jump … 4.22 20-yard shuttle … 11.5 60-yard shuttle … 6.89 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 26 times.

Nicholas: Height: 6-1 Weight: 232

Campus: 4.64 in the 40-yard dash (wind-aided) … 4.69 40-yard dash (against the wind).

Combine: 4.45 20-yard shuttle … 12.09 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … 33½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-2 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 29 times.

Posluszny: Height: 6-1 Weight: 237

Campus: 4.67 in the 40-yard dash … 375-pound bench press … 560-pound squat … 335-pound power clean … 31-inch vertical jump.

Session: Height: 5-11 Weight: 236

Campus: 4.57 in the 40-yard dash … Bench pressed 225 pounds 36 times … 30½-inch vertical leap … 9-foot-6 broad jump … 4.15 20-yard shuttle.

Timmons: Height: 6-3 Weight: 232

Campus: 4.62 in the 40-yard dash … 353-pound bench press … 508-pound squat … 31-inch vertical jump … 32 1/8-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands.

 
Rank these rookie LBs on talent and situation..

Okwo CHI, Black TB, Waters SD, Nicholas ATL, Durant JAX, Barnes BAL, DeOssie NYG, Session IND
Long Term Situation

Black

Okwo - pending Briggs destination in 08

Durant

Nicholas

Waters

Barnes

Session

DeOssie

Talent

Durant

Black

Waters

Barnes

Okwo

DeOssie

Session

 
So, Session can't crack the line-up at OLB for Indy.

Are they starters now that good or is he that bad in comparison?

 
So, Session can't crack the line-up at OLB for Indy.Are they starters now that good or is he that bad in comparison?
He's just raw. He was drafted more on his pro day numbers and "explosiveness" than his play on the field. H.B. Blades was the much better LB at Pitt, but he went later because of less than ideal measureables.
 
Work Out #s, i was going to do this in excel or something.. figure If I did it here, everyone can view

Barnes: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.55 10-yard dash … 2.58 20-yard dash … 35-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-2 broad jump … 4.32 20-yard shuttle … 12.16 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 31 times.

Black: Height: 6-2 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.7 in the 40-yard dash … 335-pound bench press … 415-pound squat … 352-pound power clean … School-record 42-inch vertical jump … 31 7/8-inch arm length … 10 3/4-inch hands … Right-handed … 20/26 Wonderlic score.

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.53 10-yard dash … 2.62 20-yard dash … 41 ½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-4 broad jump … 4.34 20-yard shuttle … 11.23 60-yard shuttle … 6.86 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 24 times.

Nicholas: Height: 6-1 Weight: 232

Campus: 4.64 in the 40-yard dash (wind-aided) … 4.69 40-yard dash (against the wind).

Combine: 4.45 20-yard shuttle … 12.09 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … 33½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-2 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 29 times.
These 3 stick out to me as some late round steals. Their work out #s are very good.
 
Chaos Commish said:
Work Out #s, i was going to do this in excel or something.. figure If I did it here, everyone can view

Willis: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.62 in the 40-yard dash …
:crazy:
THATS WHAT IT SAYS ON NFL.COM
No need for the all caps. NFL.com's scouting reports are (now) traditionally a great big mess of worthless drivel. Sorry. But they are. I agree it would be nice if the league's flagship site did a better job, but stick with Yahoo. Murphy is rock solid and they use Frank Coyle otherwise. Either of them are more reliable than the service NFL.com has contracted over the last three years. I'd guess less than half of the reported statistical/numerical information in all those player profiles is accurate. It's a shame. From NFL.Com's actual coverage of Willis Pro Day.

Willis (6-1, 237 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 and 4.38. He also had a 4.37 short shuttle and 7.10 three-cone drill. He stood on his numbers from the Combine for the rest. He had a phenomenal workout and clearly made several seven-figure increments in his rookie contract.
It's just the scouting reports that are awful.
 
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Work Out #s, i was going to do this in excel or something.. figure If I did it here, everyone can view

Barnes: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.55 10-yard dash … 2.58 20-yard dash … 35-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-2 broad jump … 4.32 20-yard shuttle … 12.16 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 31 times.

Black: Height: 6-2 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.7 in the 40-yard dash … 335-pound bench press … 415-pound squat … 352-pound power clean … School-record 42-inch vertical jump … 31 7/8-inch arm length … 10 3/4-inch hands … Right-handed … 20/26 Wonderlic score.

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.53 10-yard dash … 2.62 20-yard dash … 41 ½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-4 broad jump … 4.34 20-yard shuttle … 11.23 60-yard shuttle … 6.86 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 24 times.

Nicholas: Height: 6-1 Weight: 232

Campus: 4.64 in the 40-yard dash (wind-aided) … 4.69 40-yard dash (against the wind).

Combine: 4.45 20-yard shuttle … 12.09 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … 33½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-2 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 29 times.

These 3 stick out to me as some late round steals. Their work out #s are very good.
I have to agree with you. I was trying for all three, but only nabbed two of them. I expect great things out of these fellas. With D. Wiliams injured and A. Thomas traded to Pats, I think we will be seeing them on the field than the other darkhorse LB's.

RAPTURE

 
So, Session can't crack the line-up at OLB for Indy.Are they starters now that good or is he that bad in comparison?
He's just raw. He was drafted more on his pro day numbers and "explosiveness" than his play on the field. H.B. Blades was the much better LB at Pitt, but he went later because of less than ideal measureables.
Wannstadt put the word out on Session. He made it clear to his NFL buddies that Session was the more explosive player who had legit NFL upside. He seems like a real good kid and he will work very hard to stick. He, like Keiaho last year, benefits from having immediate value on specials.
 
I agree it would be nice if the league's flagship site did a better job, but stick with Yahoo. Murphy is rock solid and they use Frank Coyle otherwise. Either of them are more reliable than the service NFL.com has contracted over the last three years.
Of course, next year NFLDraftGuys will have us covered with the most reliable and thorough information.
 
Got 2 of them off waivers tonight

2. NO MA'AM Waiver acquired Black, Quincy TBB LB

dropped Wilson, Al DEN LB

3. NO MA'AM Waiver acquired Barnes, Antwan BAL LB

dropped Fowler, Ryan TEN LB

 
Willis: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.62 in the 40-yard dash …
:lmao:

From NFL.Com's actual coverage of Willis Pro Day.

Willis (6-1, 237 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 and 4.38. He also had a 4.37 short shuttle and 7.10 three-cone drill. He stood on his numbers from the Combine for the rest. He had a phenomenal workout and clearly made several seven-figure increments in his rookie contract.
It's just the scouting reports that are awful.

He had a phenomenal workout and clearly made several seven-figure increments in his rookie contract. :thumbdown:

 
Thanks Chaos.. I'm working w/ something and just happened to have the caps on..

Can you tell if anyone elses #s look off.
Eh, I doubt Black's PD 40 time is accurate and it is cited from NFL.com to sources far and wide. Bothering about my personal crusade for accurate player profiles is a waste of time, but here goes. They do get most of the measureable information correct, but even so they should be more accurate than they are. The Patrick Willis 40 times were the biggest story from any individual workout, and they miss by a mile. Whatever. Scouting opinions should differ. When we get down to mid and later rounds, things are very much in the eye of the beholder, and imo, reports should be based on honest gleanings from actual observations. Two NFL franchises can grade two players quite differently and both be right based on each team's various needs. One thing I often admire in front office opinions is the admission that they aren't sure, or they liked another who fell first, etc. One thing I detest in pundit opinions are these immovable stances based on players I doubt they really know very well.

Player profiles should be very static, basic facts, background information, etc. NFL.com, and let's just clear the air, NFLDraftScout is the current subcontractor for this information, combines profiles with scouting opinion. What was frustrating error two years ago, was comedy last year, and is now just par for the NFL.com course via NFLDS. My grievance is not because they post long-winded and dubious scouting evaluations of players (I and others have proven they most likely never even watched play), but mostly because they mess up the simple facts in profiles at an alarming rate. I gave many examples last year, and sorry, I'm not motivated to do that again. I'm just recommending other sources, and I do very much appreciate their extended efforts when they get the facts straight, whether I concur with an evaluation or not. Fwiw, it seems they blow lower profile school's players far more often than players from mainstream programs. It's understandable, but where an honest pundit like Murphy at Yahoo, will not offer up much opinion ona player he doesn't have much on, NFLDS seems determined to provide an equal volume of evaluation on each and every prospect, so the process leads to them pulling canned comments out of their... er... hats.

When the bungled facts are attached to nonsensical evaluation, well... diehard draftniks like me seek other sources. I subscribed to NFLDS for a couple years a few years back. I am much better off without them these past two seasons.

I wanted a quiet thread to whine in, so there it is.

Back on topic.

I have been critical of this class of LBs, and I have boasted about having read them better (for the real NFL draft) than any source anywhere. It's a fact. :shrug:

So, I have tried to organize a thoughtful answer to your original topic, but I lose interest because I don't see much in these LBs, and for me just ranking the situations is pretty difficult.

I'll do my best with a follow up post.

 
Barnes: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.55 10-yard dash … 2.58 20-yard dash … 35-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-2 broad jump … 4.32 20-yard shuttle … 12.16 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 31 times.

Black: Height: 6-2 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.7 in the 40-yard dash … 335-pound bench press … 415-pound squat … 352-pound power clean … School-record 42-inch vertical jump … 31 7/8-inch arm length … 10 3/4-inch hands … Right-handed … 20/26 Wonderlic score.

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.53 10-yard dash … 2.62 20-yard dash … 41 ½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-4 broad jump … 4.34 20-yard shuttle … 11.23 60-yard shuttle … 6.86 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 24 times.
What are the chances these 2 see PT this yr...Ireally like Barnes... hopefully Rex can buld him into the Next A Thomas.

 
Barnes: Height: 6-1 Weight: 240

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.55 10-yard dash … 2.58 20-yard dash … 35-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-2 broad jump … 4.32 20-yard shuttle … 12.16 60-yard shuttle … 7.29 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 31 times.

Black: Height: 6-2 Weight: 240

Campus: 4.7 in the 40-yard dash … 335-pound bench press … 415-pound squat … 352-pound power clean … School-record 42-inch vertical jump … 31 7/8-inch arm length … 10 3/4-inch hands … Right-handed … 20/26 Wonderlic score.

Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash … 1.53 10-yard dash … 2.62 20-yard dash … 41 ½-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-4 broad jump … 4.34 20-yard shuttle … 11.23 60-yard shuttle … 6.86 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 24 times.
What are the chances these 2 see PT this yr...Ireally like Barnes... hopefully Rex can buld him into the Next A Thomas.
Maybe someone else has the stones to predict something this early, but I don't. Beyond...

Black will be groomed behind Brooks. Barnes behind Scott, I would assume. It may take an injury for them to see regular play, but they'll play specials.

 
What are the chances these 2 see PT this yr...Ireally like Barnes... hopefully Rex can buld him into the Next A Thomas.
Maybe someone else has the stones to predict something this early, but I don't. Beyond... Black will be groomed behind Brooks. Barnes behind Scott, I would assume. It may take an injury for them to see regular play, but they'll play specials.
I would say Barnes has a better shot of starting/seeing more playint time than Black. My reasoning is because you have Brooks, Ruud and June stainding in Black's way. Though, the Bucs are extremely thin at the LB position if one would happen to go down.As for A. Barnes, R. Lewis and B. Scott are entrenched as starters, with Jarrett Johnson being the only person standing in his way for playing time - promising for a Barnes owner. You can expect T. Suggs spending some time at OLB (don't worry he will still be elgible as DL), which will probably limit the number of snaps Barnes receives as a rookie.RAPTURE
 
I like Barnes myself.. JJ is much to worry about (they did resign him to one those "5 yr" deals where the player will be release after the 1st yr) and T Pryce turns 32 this season, so PT could be there.

Johnson's Contract

3/3/2007: Signed a five-year contract. 2007: $600,000, 2008: $2 million, 2009: $4 million, 2010-2011: $3.5 million, 2012: Free Agent

I don't see his pay increasing to 3x next yr.

 

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