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Ray Rice in PPR (1 Viewer)

24seven

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Ok with all the talk about rice losing receptions to boldin and chris johnson not having to share the load or lose td's to a vulture this is for you.

Let's start with Joe Flacco. Last year he threw for 3637 yrds and attempted 499 passes and completed 315. Of those 315 passes completed 78 went to rice, 73 to mason, 53 to heap, 34 to washington, 34 to clayton, 21 to mcclain, 15 to mcgahee with the remaining 7 going to the likes of smith, jones, lawerence and oher.

Now most this year are planning on the ravens throwing to their recievers more with the addition of boldin and stallworth (now injured). Now Flacco threw the ball 499 times last year, for this argument I will add another 48 pass attempts for this season. His completion percentage was 63.1%. Now while I think he is getting better as QB i don't see his completion % going higher than 66% at the most. So at 547 pass attempts and a completion percentage of 66% he would complete 361 passes this season.

Now let's distribute those 361 passes to the rb's, wr's and tight ends.

We will use high end receptions count for this assuming they all stay healthy. Boldin catches 90, mason 80, 60 to heap,pita and dickson, 20 going to washington,clayton and stallworth.

That leaves 116 receptions to distribute to the rb's. We will give mcclain and rice 20 reception a piece. Which leaves 76 to got to ray rice which puts him right at last years numbers.

Now this is where the addition of boldin his going to help ray rice achieve that number one status in ppr. With boldin, mason and heap teams are not going to stack the box against the ravens. Think of the holes that were created by that line in the rushing game last year with washington and clayton opposite of mason. Now insert boldin who will command 1000% more respect than washington and clayton from secondaires and linebackers. Ray rice avg. 5.3 yards per carry last year and I do not see why that number will not climb to 5.6 or 5.7 this year.

The real beauty in the boldin acquisition is in the short passing game, i.e rb to the flats, dump offs and screens. With defenses not stacking the box and having to roll a saftey over towards boldin, the middle of the field is going to be wide slam open where rice can do the most damage. Oh and the fact that boldin goes hard on down field blocking it's a recipe for greatness. A higher ypc and more chances for td's is what this is leading up to.

And now on to CJ.

I am not going to give his stats because we all now they were amazing but they will not be close to what he did last year. The only thing I will say is that every defense that he plays against is going to have one mission and one mission only, make Vince Young beat us. CJ is special I am not denying that but there is no way he does what he did last year. Vy is not a polished passer, bottom line. Defenses will not let CJ beat them and while it may come at a cost. Possiably VY's scrambling ability and maybe even a few good passing games, it will NOT be because of CJ's legs.

Anyway that's my take on the ppr #1 running back this year. Ray Rice is every bit as talented as CJ, they are just different styles and one is in a lot better offensive situation. Have a great season and when you have that number one pick in you ppr leagues, trade down to the 3rd or 4th spot, get some compensation and roll with rice.

 
You're assuming that defenses just LET CJ get 2500 yards on them last year. and that because it's their mission this year, they will stop him.

its the other way around. CJ will not let them stop him.

 
You're assuming that defenses just LET CJ get 2500 yards on them last year. and that because it's their mission this year, they will stop him.its the other way around. CJ will not let them stop him.
yes i feel defenses took him for granted for the first half of season with their bad start. now they have a whole off season to game plan. just my take. 27 will be be #1 in ppr.
 
You're assuming that defenses just LET CJ get 2500 yards on them last year. and that because it's their mission this year, they will stop him.its the other way around. CJ will not let them stop him.
yes i feel defenses took him for granted for the first half of season with their bad start. now they have a whole off season to game plan. just my take. 27 will be be #1 in ppr.
Can you imagine how good CJ would've been last year, if he was switched with Rice and featured in Cameron's offense?Last year Rice + McGahee:363 rushes1893 yards rushing (5.2 ypc)93 receptions787 yards receiving (8.5 avg)22 combined TDs on 33 rushes inside the 10 yard line (67 %)CJ alone:'358 rushes2006 yards (5.6 ypc)50 receptions503 yards (10.1 avg)16 combined TDs on 22 rushes inside the 10 (73%)CJ is just in another stratosphere of talent compare to Rice and McGahee who are both simply good. CJ does more per touch, and if he were ever featured by Cam Cameron like Rice/McGahee in 2009 or Ronnie Brown in 2007, he would probably be even better than he was last year. The Ravens and titans both have quality o-lines, but Cameron is much more creative with RBs and uses them heavily in the running and passing game. Fisher's OC ran CJ into the line a fair amount last year.CJ on 2009 Rice/McGahee touches: 2030 rushing, 940 receiving, 24 TDs, almost 500 yards and 8 TDs better than he was last year. Those stats are absurd, but CJ is THAT much more talented than Rice.
 
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If Ray Rice carries the ball enough to qualify as a #1 FF running back, and averages 5.7 yards per carry, I will buy you a house.
and how many times does a rb have to carry the ball to qualify as a #1 rb??
:lmao: You become a #1 FF RB by scoring points for your fantasy owners. I doubt one ever has with fewer than 200 carries or so, but I'm sure I don't know.What I do know, is that no RB with any kind of workload has ever run for 5.7 ypc. CJ last year had arguably the most amazing year in the history of running the ball. He needed to break off a season's worth of 50 yard carries to do it. And he still didn't make it that high. The next most amazing number in NFL history is like 5.2.The point is that you don't need to worry about picking out curtains. The more important point is that if you're going to sell something like this by breaking down the numbers, you can't afford to be completely ignorant of professional football history and expect to be taken seriously.
 
If Ray Rice carries the ball enough to qualify as a #1 FF running back, and averages 5.7 yards per carry, I will buy you a house.
and how many times does a rb have to carry the ball to qualify as a #1 rb??
:no: You become a #1 FF RB by scoring points for your fantasy owners. I doubt one ever has with fewer than 200 carries or so, but I'm sure I don't know.What I do know, is that no RB with any kind of workload has ever run for 5.7 ypc. CJ last year had arguably the most amazing year in the history of running the ball. He needed to break off a season's worth of 50 yard carries to do it. And he still didn't make it that high. The next most amazing number in NFL history is like 5.2.The point is that you don't need to worry about picking out curtains. The more important point is that if you're going to sell something like this by breaking down the numbers, you can't afford to be completely ignorant of professional football history and expect to be taken seriously.
Ray rice had over 200 carries last year and averaged 5.3 ypc. So 5.2 is not the next most amazing number. As to be taken serious or not, I guess it is subjective. And I am not being ignorant, I am posting my opinion, the same thing every single person posting on these boards does. You don't agree with my view and that is fine. My point was and still is, ray rice will finish as the number 1 rb in ppr formats.
 
If Ray Rice carries the ball enough to qualify as a #1 FF running back, and averages 5.7 yards per carry, I will buy you a house.
and how many times does a rb have to carry the ball to qualify as a #1 rb??
:pokey: You become a #1 FF RB by scoring points for your fantasy owners. I doubt one ever has with fewer than 200 carries or so, but I'm sure I don't know.

What I do know, is that no RB with any kind of workload has ever run for 5.7 ypc. CJ last year had arguably the most amazing year in the history of running the ball. He needed to break off a season's worth of 50 yard carries to do it. And he still didn't make it that high. The next most amazing number in NFL history is like 5.2.

The point is that you don't need to worry about picking out curtains. The more important point is that if you're going to sell something like this by breaking down the numbers, you can't afford to be completely ignorant of professional football history and expect to be taken seriously.
Mr Sanders
 
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Historically running backs without a history of being receiving backs don't maintain elite reception levels. Ahman Green, Shaun Alexander, Steven Jackson, and many other carry-centric backs were all guys who had a big reception year or two and saw their number of receptions more than cut in half (and then maintained below that rate) within two years.

Rice was never a receiving back in college. In fact, he was pulled in 3rd down situations. His receiving career trends almost identically to guys like Green and Alexander, and I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him average 30-40 receptions for the rest of his career. Whether that starts this year or next is the big question, but keeping Cam around is certainly a good start to keeping the numbers high for another year.

 
The problem with the comparison is that Chris Johnson was force-fed the ball the last half of the year. That's not going to happen this year. He's their offense, no doubt, but the last half of 2009 was a team with nothing to play for trying to generate some interest and good publicity.

That makes Rice more intriguing in a PPR. The presence of Boldin means an improving Flacco is something defenses have to really plan for. You can't just dare Flacco to beat you. He has the weapons to do it. At the very least, that takes pressure off Rice. You have to game plan for his rushing and receiving.

There are four guys who can be taken #1 in a PPR: Chris Johnson, Peterson, Andre Johnson and Rice. The last two are dark horses, but I can understand arguments in their favor.

 
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gigantor said:
Happy Ragnarok said:
24seven said:
Happy Ragnarok said:
If Ray Rice carries the ball enough to qualify as a #1 FF running back, and averages 5.7 yards per carry, I will buy you a house.
and how many times does a rb have to carry the ball to qualify as a #1 rb??
:excited: You become a #1 FF RB by scoring points for your fantasy owners. I doubt one ever has with fewer than 200 carries or so, but I'm sure I don't know.

What I do know, is that no RB with any kind of workload has ever run for 5.7 ypc. CJ last year had arguably the most amazing year in the history of running the ball. He needed to break off a season's worth of 50 yard carries to do it. And he still didn't make it that high. The next most amazing number in NFL history is like 5.2.

The point is that you don't need to worry about picking out curtains. The more important point is that if you're going to sell something like this by breaking down the numbers, you can't afford to be completely ignorant of professional football history and expect to be taken seriously.
Mr Sanders
Yeah, yeah, okay fine. I'll live with the additional risk that it's happened with one guy ever. Especially since Ray Rice isn't 1/10 the talent Barry Sanders was.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
Historically running backs without a history of being receiving backs don't maintain elite reception levels. Ahman Green, Shaun Alexander, Steven Jackson, and many other carry-centric backs were all guys who had a big reception year or two and saw their number of receptions more than cut in half (and then maintained below that rate) within two years.Rice was never a receiving back in college. In fact, he was pulled in 3rd down situations. His receiving career trends almost identically to guys like Green and Alexander, and I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him average 30-40 receptions for the rest of his career. Whether that starts this year or next is the big question, but keeping Cam around is certainly a good start to keeping the numbers high for another year.
This is an interesting trend/observation. Any thoughts on the "why" behind it? Is it teams that are initially talent challenged and then develop other options over time?
 

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