Ray Rice Injury Thread.... (1 Viewer)

[Eviloutsider]

I assume not only Rice owners but Pierce owners would love any news on his hip issues. Hopefully this is a short thread...

 

[SameSongNDance]

From what I hear he's day-to-day, won't practice all week and will likely be a GTD come Sunday. I'd plan to be without him.

 

[shadyridr]

If hes day to day hell play IMO. Id rather he didnt and get healthy instead of some timeshare crap

 

[SameSongNDance]

If hes day to day hell play IMO. Id rather he didnt and get healthy instead of some timeshare crap

Speaking Monday, Ravens coach John Harbaugh confirmed Ray Rice (left hip flexor) did not undergo an MRI, and is "day to day."
Harbaugh said Rice is unlikely to practice this week, but that he could suit up for Sunday's game against the Texans without practicing. He basically admitted that Rice will be a game-time decision. We don't doubt Rice could play without practicing, but the odds he actually does so are fairly low. Fantasy owners need to be planning to be without their RB1 this weekend, and for Bernard Pierce to get the start and a heavy workload. Rice's status will be updated no later than Wednesday.

 

[BrotherEsau]

Isn't a hip flexor strain what Harvin had last year that bugged him on and off all year, and which I guess caused him to have surgery? I could be wrong, but i recall it was a nagging injury.

If he does not practice, I'll probably sit him and start 2 out of Miller, Tate and FJax (I have the fortune of having drafted Wilson as my RB2, in the 4th round thank god). My Wrs are solid, so I can take the hit, I think, for a little while.

 

[T with T]

if you have wilson as your rb2 your 0-2 I know.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

if you have wilson as your rb2 your 0-2 I know.

you know my 0-2?

 

[shadyridr]

If hes day to day hell play IMO. Id rather he didnt and get healthy instead of some timeshare crap

Speaking Monday, Ravens coach John Harbaugh confirmed Ray Rice (left hip flexor) did not undergo an MRI, and is "day to day."

Harbaugh said Rice is unlikely to practice this week, but that he could suit up for Sunday's game against the Texans without practicing. He basically admitted that Rice will be a game-time decision. We don't doubt Rice could play without practicing, but the odds he actually does so are fairly low. Fantasy owners need to be planning to be without their RB1 this weekend, and for Bernard Pierce to get the start and a heavy workload. Rice's status will be updated no later than Wednesday.

i know what he said. I think he'll play regardless of rotoworlds speculation. Why are the odds low if he doesnt practice? Hes not some rookie

 

[shadyridr]

Isn't a hip flexor strain what Harvin had last year that bugged him on and off all year, and which I guess caused him to have surgery? I could be wrong, but i recall it was a nagging injury.

If he does not practice, I'll probably sit him and start 2 out of Miller, Tate and FJax (I have the fortune of having drafted Wilson as my RB2, in the 4th round thank god). My Wrs are solid, so I can take the hit, I think, for a little while.

no, he had a badly sprained ankle.

 

[SameSongNDance]

If hes day to day hell play IMO. Id rather he didnt and get healthy instead of some timeshare crap

Speaking Monday, Ravens coach John Harbaugh confirmed Ray Rice (left hip flexor) did not undergo an MRI, and is "day to day."

Harbaugh said Rice is unlikely to practice this week, but that he could suit up for Sunday's game against the Texans without practicing. He basically admitted that Rice will be a game-time decision. We don't doubt Rice could play without practicing, but the odds he actually does so are fairly low. Fantasy owners need to be planning to be without their RB1 this weekend, and for Bernard Pierce to get the start and a heavy workload. Rice's status will be updated no later than Wednesday.

i know what he said. I think he'll play regardless of rotoworlds speculation. Why are the odds low if he doesnt practice? Hes not some rookie

I'm not exactly sure why I quoted you as I wasn't trying to refute your assumption that he'd play haha.

I think it's generally up in the air right now and we'll get a better idea as the week progresses. I don't think anyone can say for certain what his odds of playing this week truly are right now.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

is there any truth to the rumor I'm starting that he's done for the season?

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Doubt he's done for the season.

He'll probably back within a month, pending the severity of his hip flexor injury.

 

[bushdocda]

is there any truth to the rumor I'm starting that he's done for the season?

 

[BrotherEsau]

if you have wilson as your rb2 your 0-2 I know.

you know my 0-2?

Negative. 1-1

Lost week one by 4 points, had third highest in the league. Won week two with 150 points, highest total in league.

Having Marshall, Julio, Edelman, Cameron in a ppr helps.

 

[BIG MAC]

why so little concern here? is this injury nothing?

 

[SameSongNDance]

why so little concern here? is this injury nothing?

The fact that he didn't need a MRI was great news, as it rules out the possibility of a tear.

Hip flexors are a pain in the ### if you don't rest/rehab correctly (learned this the hard way) but are not long-term injuries.

 

[GrantK]

why so little concern here? is this injury nothing?

It sure didn't look like nothing, he went down without being touched and was in pain. If he doesn't practice all week does anyone think he'll play and play well? I don't think so... with the way the Raven's offense has looked so far this year they can't take a chance and lose him for the long term, oh yeah... I also own Pierce!

 

[az_prof]

why so little concern here? is this injury nothing?

I am not worried because I handcuff'd Pierce.

But the team doesn't seem too concerned, at least according to Coach speak:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/17/4740252/ray-rice-injury-hip-ravens

I am planning on him not playing this week but expect him back the week after.

According to this source, there are three degrees of Hip Flexor. Recovery Time:

"Athletes need two to seven days to recover from a mild sprain, one to two weeks for a second degree injury and four to six weeks following a complete tear."

http://www.coreperformance.com/knowledge/injury-pain/hip-injuries.html

Unless it is a complete tear, degree three, I am not worried. And the fact that the team didn't do an MRI makes me doubtful that it is a full tear.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Have one team with Rice, Wilson, Jackson, and Vereen. I have another team with Harvin, Crabtree, Blackmon, and White.

 

[Shutout]

why so little concern here? is this injury nothing?

In technical terms, it is called Denial.

I am half-joking here because I haven't heard the first thing that suggests it is a bad injury but it seems like it is worth watching a bit more than just casually brushing it off because today's hip strain is tomorrow's "Player X seeking second opinion on possible torn ligaments" and then next Monday's "Player x weighing option on season-ending surgery."

Again, I haven't got any insight to this but I HATE seeing players go down in what appears to be obvious and significant discomforfort on non-contact injuries. A couple of seasons ago when AJ pulled up lame against the Steelers and went down I was like "Well...there goes that season." Conditioned athletes don't usually fold like lawn chairs for routine purposes like I might if I bump my knee against the desk.

 

[ebsteelers]

I think whether he plays or not it makes Pierce a flex play.

They arent going to want to run him into the ground this week so it'll probably be more 50-50 with Pierce getting some endzone love.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

blackdot

He looked like he got shot and went down. usually the no touch injuries are bad news.

no MRI is a positive sign.

Gotta think Pierce gets alot of touches this week especially if ray doesnt practice but plays

 

[GrantK]

Coach Speak is always taken with a grain of salt, there will be plenty of information in the next 4 days that should let the Rice owners know which way to go this weekend.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Coach Speak is always taken with a grain of salt, there will be plenty of information in the next 4 days that should let the Rice owners know which way to go this weekend.

There is no information I could receive that would make me bench Pierce for Rice this week. Through 1.5 games the score was Rice 25 carries to Pierce 18 carries for a 58/42 split. Even if Ray practices and plays this week I'll be starting Pierce if, for nothing other than the odds that Rice aggravates it.

IMO, if you handcuffed Pierce to Rice there's no reason to even care about Ray's status (for this week anyway).

 

[DiStefano]

why so little concern here? is this injury nothing?

The fact that he didn't need a MRI was great news, as it rules out the possibility of a tear.

Hip flexors are a pain in the ### if you don't rest/rehab correctly (learned this the hard way) but are not long-term injuries.

Man, that pain must affect your whole buttock.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

whats the local feel here? Rice sit a week? Rice suits up but Pierce gets the bulk?

 

[SameSongNDance]

why so little concern here? is this injury nothing?

The fact that he didn't need a MRI was great news, as it rules out the possibility of a tear.

Hip flexors are a pain in the ### if you don't rest/rehab correctly (learned this the hard way) but are not long-term injuries.

Man, that pain must affect your whole buttock.

I see what you did there.

 

[kinghill]

IMO, if you handcuffed Pierce to Rice there's no reason to even care about Ray's status (for this week anyway).

That has been my attitude. As a Rice+Pierce owner, I'm hoping they sit Rice this week and he comes back practicing full strength next week.

Still a little worried about my 1st round pick not doing much and being injured in week 2 though.

 

[need2know]

Isn't it strange rice did not get the mri? Wouldn't they want to be sure? Sounds kind of strange to me. Guys get mris all the time for the littlest looking injury. I own pierce and think he's a great play this week...

 

[theToes]

I just picked up McGahee but Pierce is on the WW. Is Pierce the better pick up?

 

[Run It Up]

I just picked up McGahee but Pierce is on the WW. Is Pierce the better pick up?

If you could roster both I would, if you're the Rice owner you should absolutely take Pierce. Too hard to say between the two if you don't, Pierce is obviously the much safer option, but if Mcgahee ends up being the guy in Cleveland he could obviously be worth more.

 

[theToes]

I just picked up McGahee but Pierce is on the WW. Is Pierce the better pick up?

If you could roster both I would, if you're the Rice owner you should absolutely take Pierce. Too hard to say between the two if you don't, Pierce is obviously the much safer option, but if Mcgahee ends up being the guy in Cleveland he could obviously be worth more.

I am not the Rice owner and unfortunately I can't roster both.

 

[Young 8]

I just picked up McGahee but Pierce is on the WW. Is Pierce the better pick up?

Yes, because Pierce has a NFL contract while McGahee has not.

 

[Sir Psycho]

Starting Pierce over Sproles and MJD.

 

[GrantK]

Isn't it strange rice did not get the mri? Wouldn't they want to be sure? Sounds kind of strange to me. Guys get mris all the time for the littlest looking injury. I own pierce and think he's a great play this week...

I agree, anytime a guy tweaks anything these days it appears they'll have an MRI just to make sure. I still didn't like how fast Rice went down without contact, it looked very weird.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I just picked up McGahee but Pierce is on the WW. Is Pierce the better pick up?

People are getting caught up on name value and are assuming McGahee takes over as the feature back. The fact the TRich wasn't even seeing the field for more than 60% of CLE's offensive snaps does not bode well for McGahee IMO.

Pierce is just better at this stage in their careers and I foresee them getting at the least equal opportunity moving forward. Stick with Pierce, he can actually win you a championship.

As for why Rice didn't get a MRI, I thought it was quite odd as well. Weirder #### has happened though; Amendola is hobbling through practices on torn abductors over in NE right now.

 

[Shutout]

Isn't it strange rice did not get the mri? Wouldn't they want to be sure? Sounds kind of strange to me. Guys get mris all the time for the littlest looking injury. I own pierce and think he's a great play this week...

His insurance probably doesn't cover it...

I agree. You would think soemthing like that gets the 'ole "rule everything out" treatment.

 

[DepthCharts]

Would severe swelling delay an MRI?

 

[FantasyTrader]

IMO, if you handcuffed Pierce to Rice there's no reason to even care about Ray's status (for this week anyway).

That has been my attitude. As a Rice+Pierce owner, I'm hoping they sit Rice this week and he comes back practicing full strength next week.

Still a little worried about my 1st round pick not doing much and being injured in week 2 though.

Funny you say that. Actually, as an owner of both - I'm more worried about what will happen if both stay healthy this year. Small sample size, but these guys were squarely in a 1a/1b timeshare and made them BOTH borderline flex plays. If Ray sits and Pierce blows up this week the saavy move (in redraft) might be to package them in a trade for a legit RB1.

I agree with you though - hoping Ray either gets healthy or gets out of the way.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Ray Rice not practicing Fri Sep 20, 11:53 AM

Baltimore Ravens RB Ray Rice (hip) is not practicing Friday, Sept. 20.

Footballguys view: This was expected. Rice is a true game-time decision against the Texans, who are no pushover against the run. He is a low RB2 in PPR leagues and flex play in nonPPR if he does play, and Bernard Pierce will get a large workload no matter what. We won't blame you if you bench Rice out of fear of his being used on fewer plays or generally ineffective.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

He's walking without a limp when he's not pimp'n...nice update.

 

[just_want_2_win]

He's walking without a limp when he's not pimp'n...nice update.

Full details about the no-limp:

Ray Rice (hip) is no longer limping, and he could play Sunday against the Texans if he responds well to treatment.
The Baltimore Sun spoke with a Virginia-area hip surgeon who is not treating Rice, and he said it "usually takes a week or two to recover from hip flexor strains depending on the severity." Rice hasn't practiced at all this week, and we wouldn't expect him to do much of anything Friday. He remains a full-blown game-time decision for Week 3. Look for Bernard Pierce to carry the load.

However, there's more:

Ravens coach John Harbaugh confirmed Friday Ray Rice (hip, questionable) will be a game-time decision in Week 3.

We won't know for sure until Sunday's inactives are announced, but our guess is Rice won't play against the Texans, allowing Bernard Pierce to push for 20-plus touches. Rice didn't get in a single practice during the week as he attempts to recover from a strained hip flexor. The Ravens will officially decide Rice's availability either on Saturday, or Sunday in a pre-game workout. Fantasy owners need to have running back alternatives lined up.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4645/ray-rice

 

[just_want_2_win]

I didn't want the post above to be a huge block of text, hence the consecutive posts...anyway, here's what Rotoworld's Goal Line stand feature says about Rice and Pierce:

Rice is shaping up as the toughest call of all. “Day to day” with a left hip flexor strain, Rice isn’t going to practice this week, and will likely come down to a Sunday morning decision. If he’s active, he’ll be an extremely dicey play, and almost certainly on a snap count. If he sits? Things actually get far less complicated. Rice, bench. Bernard Pierce, RB2.

We’ve been talking Pierce up as one of the league’s top handcuffs since the middle of last season, but Sunday would be the first chance he’s had to really stretch his legs outside of last Week 17, where the Ravens rested their starters after two series. Although Pierce is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry, that number remains an extremely healthy 4.64 when expanded to include all 175 of his career totes. Film study reveals a player who hasn’t necessarily struggled this season, but has simply run into brick walls. The Broncos zeroed in on the box after Baltimore lost deep threat Jacoby Jones in Week 1, while the Browns have one of the league’s most talented front sevens. The yardage is going to come.

Pierce has uncommon vision for a second-year back, and doesn’t waste steps after taking the rock, hitting the hole extremely quickly. He almost always gets what’s blocked, and oftentimes more. He’s a power runner who makes a point of not leaving yards on the field. In the Texans, he’s facing a run defense allowing 99.5 yards per game and 3.8 yards per carry. They’re respectable numbers until you realize the Texans have only dealt with the Chargers’ muddled backfield and Tennessee’s predictable run-heavy attack. Pierce probably isn’t going to go off for five yards per carry if he gets the start, but something like 21/90/1 is well within reach. That would make him an RB2 in any week, and the best bet of this week’s army of fill-ins.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/44431/57/week-3-rankings

 

[Raider Nation]

Listed as doubtful today.

Fire up the Pierce bandwagon.

 

[Shutout]

Listed as doubtful today.

Fire up the Pierce bandwagon.

Indeed, Pierce is kind of like Tate in regards to the types of guys that are legit with no question should the main player miss time. Pierce owners who don't also own Rice are probably pretty happy right now.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Very excited to be starting Pierce in numerous leagues this week.

 

[need2know]

Don't really know much about pierce. Is it really that much of a nobrainer to start him?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Don't really know much about pierce. Is it really that much of a nobrainer to start him?

He could easily be starting for an NFL team IMO. Here's some highlights from last year.

 

[ebsteelers]

Don't really know much about pierce. Is it really that much of a nobrainer to start him?

probably best back up in the nfl, and would start for alot of teams.

 

[Shutout]

Don't really know much about pierce. Is it really that much of a nobrainer to start him?

Yeah, he's solid all the way around and the Ravens really use him the same way they would Rice (no restrictions when he is in).