RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (2 Viewers)

[papacapps]

Is Davis still the back to own if Hyde were to miss time?

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Stres fracture for Hyde. How do they usually work out?

 

[Jimbo Slice]

That's no Bueno...

 

[Tool]

if he's playing how bad it can it be, no?

 

[shadyridr]

Who said he had a stress fracture. I've never heard of anyone play with that. He's either lying, mistaken, or is a tough mofo.

 

[I Am the Stig]

So fbg email says Hyde had a good matchup.... In my 0.5ppr, sea has given up the fewest points to rb position this year... Confused how that gets a good matchup grade

In 1PPR they've given up the 3rd fewest at 17.7ppg. There's so much going against Hyde this week (short week, foot injury, Reggie Bush probable, negative gameflow, #### match-up) that I don't see how anyone can start him.

I'm forced to start him due to byes...but certainly don't feel good about it. He has bust written all over him.

My RBs aside from him are Abdullah, West, Vereen, D. Johnson and Matt Jones :X and I still never even contemplated starting him this week. After seeing him stop at the LOS and fall down without contact because he was in so much pain just four days ago, I just can't even debate starting him.

I'll reiterate I don't think he'll do well this week. BUT...He came back in and had the best run of the day after going down. Even with a bad ypc, he gets so many carries that he'll still probably get 60 yards, with the chance of putting up much more +TD. I know things don't look great going in, but I would start Hyde over your other options. At least he'll get 15-20 opportunities to break one off...something those other guys can't say.

The problem is he doesn't catch many balls. In ppr I like Duke because he's more likely to get 6 catches than Hyde is to score.

Yeah, depends on your scoring.

Side note: This is exactly why I don't like PPR. I play in both PPR and standard but much prefer the standard scoring. In my mind, there's no way the pass catching back in Cleveland who is part of a two or three player committee should be more valuable than the bellcow in SF. Just a rant...moving on.

With so many RBBCs PPR keeps more RBs relevant and playable.

 

[MASSHOLE]

Carlos Hyde says his foot injury is a stress fracture.
It's a bit hard to believe since Hyde has been playing through it, and is active for Thursday night's game against the Seahawks. It would be extremely rare for a stress fracture not to sideline a player. Coach Jim Tomsula has described Hyde's injury as a bruise. Whatever it is, he's playing and should still be in for a big workload Thursday. Hyde is an RB2.
Source: Sacramento Bee
Oct 22 - 7:38 PM

 

[MASSHOLE]

I don't have much knowledge about stress fractures beyond this report. Anyone with any knowledge or comparisons with players who have had a stress fracture?

 

[mikel0254]

Looks fine thus far. If he was on a different team, he could push for top 5 RB

 

[shadyridr]

Yeah I'm calling bs on the stress fracture

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'm telling you guys, after that blow to the knee he took vs. PIT (I believe) I was astonished that he was able to continue playing. It twisted in a way that left me convinced he tore something. Later on in that same game, he went to the locker room to be tested for a "possible" concussion but was eventually cleared to play (although I do not think he touched the ball again). This guys pain threshold must high as #### and I wouldn't put it past him to be playing through a legitimate foot injury right now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

####### guy runs hard. He seems to always break the first tackle, and sometimes a few more. Too bad he has defenders in his face almost as soon as he gets the ball, if he had even a little room he's gonna get 6 yards out of it.

 

[Tool]

####### guy runs hard. He seems to always break the first tackle, and sometimes a few more. Too bad he has defenders in his face almost as soon as he gets the ball, if he had even a little room he's gonna get 6 yards out of it.

yeah it's a bummer.

 

[cockroach]

I'm telling you guys, after that blow to the knee he took vs. PIT (I believe) I was astonished that he was able to continue playing. It twisted in a way that left me convinced he tore something. Later on in that same game, he went to the locker room to be tested for a "possible" concussion but was eventually cleared to play (although I do not think he touched the ball again). This guys pain threshold must high as #### and I wouldn't put it past him to be playing through a legitimate foot injury right now.

I thought his season was over when I saw him take that hit you're talking about.

 

[mquinnjr]

Looks fine thus far. If he was on a different team, he could push for top 5 RB

One of the more criminal teams for a guy with this much upside to be trapped on in the league. He's simply a bench and hold in keeper/dynasty at this point until the offense gets overhauled. I just can't trust Kaep/the line to give him game play and a game plan for him to even approach potential until we see it, which doesn't seem like 2015 at least.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Yeah sell a rb who just put up 168 yds, 2tds, isn't in a rbbc, and plays for a team that wants to run the ball. Seems like a winning strategy to me.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

He actually looks decent. He just plays for a team with an below average defense and no QB. So his team will be playing from behind. I view him similar as Gordon. Productive low end RB1 over the next 4-5 years, but frustrating for owners that hoped he would have big impact this year.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I didn't watch the game yet but I'll take your guys word for it that he didn't look hampered by the injury. It just blows that the other knocks on him I mentioned (Bush active, matchup/gameflow) are going to be consistent weekly factors that destroy his value regardless as to whether or not he's healthy.

 

[TheFanatic]

He actually looks decent. He just plays for a team with an below average defense and no QB. So his team will be playing from behind. I view him similar as Gordon. Productive low end RB1 over the next 4-5 years, but frustrating for owners that hoped he would have big impact this year.

To me, that depends on how long the coach is there. Prime time game, in your building. Any time the team makes a glaring mistake, camera's on you for the whole nation to see. He needed to make sure the camera was never on him. Instead it was punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt.

The guy just didn't prepare his team and hasn't all year. He's also done a great disservice to the QB whom he cannot prepare for or coach properly. 1-11 on 3rd down with one of the best scrambling QB's in the league? Are you kidding me? Until this guy is gone, Hyde is RB3 with a potential to be RB2 only if he gets a TD to go with his 40 yards.

Rawls had 41 total yards last night backing up Lynch. Hyde has 40 as the starter. Yikes...

 

[iamkoza]

The schedule for pretty much the rest of the year is just brutal. I don't know what trade value he has in redraft right now.

 

[humpback]

The team is so bad I don't think I could come up with a "good" match up. Maybe the Bears and Browns games much later in the season, but with his injury there's the potential that they just shut him down before then. His redraft value is pretty much toast.

Dynasty isn't quite as bad, but it's still hard to be very optimistic IMO. I know situations can change quickly, but I just don't see how SF improves that much anytime soon. He looks really good, I'd love to see him on even an average team, but two more years of this is going to frustrate the heck out of owners.

 

[DocHolliday]

The team is so bad I don't think I could come up with a "good" match up. Maybe the Bears and Browns games much later in the season, but with his injury there's the potential that they just shut him down before then. His redraft value is pretty much toast.

Dynasty isn't quite as bad, but it's still hard to be very optimistic IMO. I know situations can change quickly, but I just don't see how SF improves that much anytime soon. He looks really good, I'd love to see him on even an average team, but two more years of this is going to frustrate the heck out of owners.

SF improves by getting a real QB.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Every year there are a few Frisman Jackson week one performances and every year people pat themselves on the back like they have won their league after week one. Sorry to say, but this is one of those examples. I wanted no part of Hyde this year because his team is awful and QB is putrid.

 

[mikel0254]

Every year there are a few Frisman Jackson week one performances and every year people pat themselves on the back like they have won their league after week one. Sorry to say, but this is one of those examples. I wanted no part of Hyde this year because his team is awful and QB is putrid.

These types of posts make me want to :X

It was his first game as a starter. Not hard to imagine why people in here got very very excited. Talent can outweigh bad situations. Charles has been a great example of that over the years. Hyde is talented, but he's no Charles. Doesn't look like it's going to happen this year, but he's got the talent to really make some noise if the team makes some changes.

 

[humpback]

The team is so bad I don't think I could come up with a "good" match up. Maybe the Bears and Browns games much later in the season, but with his injury there's the potential that they just shut him down before then. His redraft value is pretty much toast.

Dynasty isn't quite as bad, but it's still hard to be very optimistic IMO. I know situations can change quickly, but I just don't see how SF improves that much anytime soon. He looks really good, I'd love to see him on even an average team, but two more years of this is going to frustrate the heck out of owners.

SF improves by getting a real QB.

Sounds simple enough...

 

[DocHolliday]

The team is so bad I don't think I could come up with a "good" match up. Maybe the Bears and Browns games much later in the season, but with his injury there's the potential that they just shut him down before then. His redraft value is pretty much toast.

Dynasty isn't quite as bad, but it's still hard to be very optimistic IMO. I know situations can change quickly, but I just don't see how SF improves that much anytime soon. He looks really good, I'd love to see him on even an average team, but two more years of this is going to frustrate the heck out of owners.

SF improves by getting a real QB.

The plan is simple. Of course, finding a good QB tends to be a challenge in the NFL. That had to be the offseason plan for SF.

Sounds simple enough...

 

[Bojang0301]

Well you're going to have to hold out until he doesn't have a patsy, yes man of a head coach but if you want to buy now is the time.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Every year there are a few Frisman Jackson week one performances and every year people pat themselves on the back like they have won their league after week one. Sorry to say, but this is one of those examples. I wanted no part of Hyde this year because his team is awful and QB is putrid.

These types of posts make me want to :X

It was his first game as a starter. Not hard to imagine why people in here got very very excited. Talent can outweigh bad situations. Charles has been a great example of that over the years. Hyde is talented, but he's no Charles. Doesn't look like it's going to happen this year, but he's got the talent to really make some noise if the team makes some changes.

Clearly he is not talented enough to outweigh a bad situation. Does the truth make you sick?

 

[humpback]

The team is so bad I don't think I could come up with a "good" match up. Maybe the Bears and Browns games much later in the season, but with his injury there's the potential that they just shut him down before then. His redraft value is pretty much toast.

Dynasty isn't quite as bad, but it's still hard to be very optimistic IMO. I know situations can change quickly, but I just don't see how SF improves that much anytime soon. He looks really good, I'd love to see him on even an average team, but two more years of this is going to frustrate the heck out of owners.

SF improves by getting a real QB.

The plan is simple. Of course, finding a good QB tends to be a challenge in the NFL. That had to be the offseason plan for SF.

Sounds simple enough...

So I guess you agree- not much reason to be optimistic that they are going to improve much in the next year or two. Assuming they even realize they need a new QB, it's really hard to find a good one.

 

[mikel0254]

Every year there are a few Frisman Jackson week one performances and every year people pat themselves on the back like they have won their league after week one. Sorry to say, but this is one of those examples. I wanted no part of Hyde this year because his team is awful and QB is putrid.

These types of posts make me want to :X

It was his first game as a starter. Not hard to imagine why people in here got very very excited. Talent can outweigh bad situations. Charles has been a great example of that over the years. Hyde is talented, but he's no Charles. Doesn't look like it's going to happen this year, but he's got the talent to really make some noise if the team makes some changes.

Clearly he is not talented enough to outweigh a bad situation. Does the truth make you sick?

You pat your self on the back in the same post as blasting people for doing the same. The season isn't even half over. He's had highs and lows (more lows than highs for sure). But it could flip again next week.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

I don't have much knowledge about stress fractures beyond this report. Anyone with any knowledge or comparisons with players who have had a stress fracture?

Stress fractures are basically "almost breaks". What happens is the bone is chipped or cracked but not all the way through like a full fracture. Then with repeated pounding on the chipped bone, the fracture spreads, moving towards a full break (kind of like in the movies when an earthquake hits, and the small fissures move through the ground. If he truly does have a stress fracture, he shouldn't be running on it, as it could break fully. I had one in my tibia, and it took about eight weeks to heal fully?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Tomsula said he "came out of things good last night".

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

49ers coach Jim Tomsula said Carlos Hyde is not in danger of damaging his foot further.
"With our medical staff, we're not going to put somebody in danger," Tomsula said. "So I have complete confidence in that. Our people don't put people on the field that are at risk to further injure themselves." There have been reports Hyde is dealing with a stress fracture. If true, it is an injury which requires rest to heal, and the fracture certainly could be worsened by playing. The 49ers are trying to manage the injury by holding Hyde out of almost all practice activities, but the foot has clearly been an issue on game days. At less than 100 percent in a bad offense, Hyde has become a risky, low-end RB2.

Source: Sacramento Bee
Oct 27 - 9:24 AM

 

[iamkoza]

if you can get a good game out of Hyde i think you need to immeditately trade him in redraft leagues for whatever you can get from a RB starved team. injury + bad offense/team + absolutely brutal schedule does not setup for consistent 10+ point per week performances

 

[jdoggydogg]

I am starting Charles Simms over Hyde this week with no reservations.

 

[oddsbodkins]

Was able to bundle him with Moncrief to land Jeffrey. Couldn't be happier. I like Hyde's game but the Niners are so ghastly, it's a 15% chance he gets you points enough to matter week-to-week.

 

[shady inc]

Tomsula: Boldin & Hyde game-time decisions

49ers coach Jim Tomsula said Friday that Anquan Boldin (hamstring) and Carlos Hyde (foot) will be game-time decisions for Week 8 at St. Louis.

 

[SameSongNDance]

What are the odds SF just shuts him down? What's the upside of running him out there with a stress fracture every week when they're not even remotely contenders?

 

[shadyridr]

No clue what the heck is going on here. Dude plays a THU game after a SUN game and then has 10 days off and is a GTD? Whos the handcuff? Bush, Davis, Hayne? Does it even matter?

 

[shadyridr]

CSN Bay Area reports Carlos Hyde is dealing with a stress fracture in his left foot that could require surgery.
The stress fracture is in his mid-foot area. The injury can be fixed by either rest or surgery. If Hyde plays through it, he'll likely require surgery after the season. Hyde hasn't practiced all week and is considered a game-time call Sunday against St. Louis. With the Niners headed nowhere this year, it might be in the team's best interest to give Hyde some time off.

 

[SameSongNDance]

No clue what the heck is going on here. Dude plays a THU game after a SUN game and then has 10 days off and is a GTD? Whos the handcuff? Bush, Davis, Hayne? Does it even matter?

On this team, it doesn't matter. Maybe if Bush could stay healthy for more than a game he'd be worthwhile as a stash in PPR but my gut is telling me to stay far away from this dumpster fire. I also think Hayne could be productive on 10+ carries but again, dumpster fire.

I kind of want them to announce he's getting surgery so I can just drop him.

 

[shadyridr]

I just traded for him (techinically he was a throw in). Im not relying on him but hes my only viable backup right now.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I'd grab Bush as end of bench in PPR. Other than that, I'll stay away.

Before last week, Bush had 5 total touches on the season. He got knocked outta the game on 2 of them. Presume he'll be there -- if he can somehow stay on the field -- when they're behind. Colin probably isn't going to start all of a sudden start outletting to a RB a ton either.

 

[Insein]

Just got him and Anquan in a trade (guy offered). I planned on avoiding SF all year and have Ingram, Ivory, and Charcnado already. What can I expect? The 14-16 schedule looks nice.

 

[munygon2]

Joe Fann ‏@Joe_Fann

Carlos Hyde (foot) is OUT vs. Rams.

 

[iamkoza]

Just got him and Anquan in a trade (guy offered). I planned on avoiding SF all year and have Ingram, Ivory, and Charcnado already. What can I expect? The 14-16 schedule looks nice.

. He has a stress fracture in his foot that needs either rest or surgery... I wouldn't expect much. There are only a few games left where it looks like sf will even be able to possibly run the ball anyway

 

[shady inc]

so who do i add?

 

[munygon2]

Bush will likely get the first shot at it...but then Davis if RB gets injured:

Joe Fann ‏@Joe_Fann

Reggie Bush will almost certainly get the start at RB. Jarryd Hayne is also likely to be active and in the mix along with Mike Davis.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Every time I've seen Davis touch the ball I've been unimpressed.

I'd like to see more of Hayne but let's be honest the early-down RB on this team holds essentially zero value. Bush is still the only real play here as a stash in PPR. There's clearly a shot SF shuts Hyde down if they don't see any point in running out their best offensive player with a broken foot in a lost season.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Bush could be a solid RB2 for the next few weeks in PPR leagues.