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RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (1 Viewer)

And the official FBG freak-out,  over-stat-projecting, run-on-the-waiver-wire response whenever there is trade speculation about any and every decent player is New England.

At least that's what I'm hearing and many, many people are saying.

 
Arizona would have made the most sense (probably still does) but the division thing probably blocks that option.

 
FGITLOTR said:
Given that they are 0-5 and like Brieda, this makes sense. What teams would be a good fit for Hyde? Almost any place is an upgrade. Places that could use some help at RB:

Seattle

GB (what a great fit for that O)

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Love the idea of Green Bay. If the Vikings trade for him but don't resign, do they get the same comp pick San Fran would get? If so that can make sense for this year.  He'd be better than Blount but I'm not sure Philly would give enough.

 
Chaka said:
And the official FBG freak-out,  over-stat-projecting, run-on-the-waiver-wire response whenever there is trade speculation about any and every decent player is New England.

At least that's what I'm hearing and many, many people are saying.
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welp, i'm up in here 'cause i was hoping to buy (somewhat) low - if these rumors persist, though, i'd have a better shot at landing Bell  :popcorn:

I WILL KEEP YOU ALL POSTED  :D

 
I just want to be crystal clear here. There is no hard evidence pointing towards Hyde being traded and it's just homer conjecture at this point. 

 
-OZ- said:
Love the idea of Green Bay. If the Vikings trade for him but don't resign, do they get the same comp pick San Fran would get? If so that can make sense for this year.  He'd be better than Blount but I'm not sure Philly would give enough.
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Philly has no picks to give except 5th and on.

 
It doesn't make me feel super groovy knowing Shanny might yank Carlos in any given game where he has trouble getting moving...

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
It doesn't make me feel super groovy knowing Shanny might yank Carlos in any given game where he has trouble getting moving...
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I read the press conference transcript too. He was very ambiguous. Saying he wants both backs in there and that they are about equal. Hyde will start but Breida will get his carries too and Mostert.

Hyde on the bench till things shake out.

 
Insein said:
I read the press conference transcript too. He was very ambiguous. Saying he wants both backs in there and that they are about equal. Hyde will start but Breida will get his carries too and Mostert.

Hyde on the bench till things shake out.
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I don't get this. So the first four weeks of Hyde being incredibly productive getting 21 touches per game mean nothing because of one game?

I'm not buying it.

 
Chaka said:
I don't get this. So the first four weeks of Hyde being incredibly productive getting 21 touches per game mean nothing because of one game?

I'm not buying it.
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I didn't watch the press conferences from the previous 4 games but I doubt he talked about sharing the load and saying that they were equal. 

This whole thing is just weird especially with the backdrop of contract negotiations being leaked last Friday. 

I have both Hyde and Breida but I'm taking a step back to see what shakes out. Not throwing either out there and getting a 1 spot.

 
rider down said:
I was just reading a thread in the 49ers webzone forum thought this post was interesting post#16 page 2, the poster speculates that this missed assignment, plus the fumble right before could have been the rationale for sitting Hyde:

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189471-week-colts-coaches-film-analysis-thread/page2/
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One of my best buddies is a 9ers fan, and when I told him I've watched every SF game and was reading Hyde trade speculation rumors on webzone, he called me a psycho :lmao:

 
hamsterdam said:
One of my best buddies is a 9ers fan, and when I told him I've watched every SF game and was reading Hyde trade speculation rumors on webzone, he called me a psycho :lmao:
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definitely a place where widespread panic, drama and overreaction runs rampant, but the film review threads are pretty cool.

 
rider down said:
I was just reading a thread in the 49ers webzone forum thought this post was interesting post#16 page 2, the poster speculates that this missed assignment, plus the fumble right before could have been the rationale for sitting Hyde:

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189471-week-colts-coaches-film-analysis-thread/page2/
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I agree with that assessment.  I watched the entire game (had Hyde and Garcon going) and remember thinking to myself that he didn’t look real focused.  He lacked energy.  I even wondered if Breida would be coming in soon.  Sure enough, it was after than bobbled toss that he didn’t come back out for a few possessions.  

 
Sounds like Shanahan is one of those spiteful idiots who thinks he can punish players for a fumble like a pee wee coach. Hyde should be praying for a trade. Shanahan will last about a year, maybe two.

 
JuniorNB said:
Sounds like Shanahan is one of those spiteful idiots who thinks he can punish players for a fumble like a pee wee coach. Hyde should be praying for a trade. Shanahan will last about a year, maybe two.
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You typed that knowing it was pretty much unpossible, right?

 
JuniorNB said:
Sounds like Shanahan is one of those spiteful idiots who thinks he can punish players for a fumble like a pee wee coach. Hyde should be praying for a trade. Shanahan will last about a year, maybe two.
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Yes.  Spiteful.  Shanahan that is.  Sure.

 
Not spiteful but he has that macho high school coach BS some of the other "old school" coaches have. Instead of using the dozens of tablets they have on the sidelines to say "see right here is where you missed the block, look for that next time", he'd rather bench the guy and lose the game as some form of punishment.

 
JuniorNB said:
He benched the team's best player because of a bobbled pitch. In a close game. That they ended up losing. Yes,  The very definition of spiteful.  You think a lot of other NFL coaches would do the same?
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No. No. No. And No. Stop. You've been here too long to be that guy.

 
Insein said:
Not spiteful but he has that macho high school coach BS some of the other "old school" coaches have. Instead of using the dozens of tablets they have on the sidelines to say "see right here is where you missed the block, look for that next time", he'd rather bench the guy and lose the game as some form of punishment.
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Et tu @Insein?

 
JuniorNB said:
 You dodged the question I see.  Because the answer is no. There are no other coaches who would bench their best player after 8 carries. 
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Please. I thought you had been here long enough and watched enough football to realize this wasn't the first time in NFL history that a decent RB received fewer touches than their backup in a close game. 

Was I wrong about that?

 
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Chaka said:
Please. I thought you had been here long enough and watched enough football to realize this wasn't the first time in NFL history that a decent RB received fewer touches than their backup in a close game. 

Was I wrong about that?
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Lol. Well you certainly reworded my statement to suit your argument better.    I didn't say decent player.. I said their best player. Just look at the 1st 4 games and tell me I'm wrong about that.   And then bench him after 8 carries in a close game.. Horrible coaching and they lost the game as a result.

 
JuniorNB said:
Lol. Well you certainly reworded my statement to suit your argument better.    I didn't say decent player.. I said their best player. Just look at the 1st 4 games and tell me I'm wrong about that.   And then bench him after 8 carries in a close game.. Horrible coaching and they lost the game as a result.
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He is their best player IMO.  I think the hip injury affected him in the last game and had something to do with the benching.  I'm not a fan of Shanahan, but whoever the 49rs defensive coach is he's doing a great job.

 
JuniorNB said:
Lol. Well you certainly reworded my statement to suit your argument better.    I didn't say decent player.. I said their best player. Just look at the 1st 4 games and tell me I'm wrong about that.   And then bench him after 8 carries in a close game.. Horrible coaching and they lost the game as a result.
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I already addressed that up thread, go look at game logs from Adrian Peterson and get back to me (I posted a couple). Go look at game logs from other all time great RBs and you will see that it has happened before and will happen again. I find it difficult to believe that this is such a surprise to you.

And, while Hyde may be the 49ers best player he clearly wasn't last Sunday. Sorry if that hurt your fantasy team. It hurt mine but I recognize it for what it is and am able to objectively look at the situation and not freak out.

 
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Chaka said:
I already addressed that up thread go look at game logs from Adrian Peterson and get back to me. Go look at game logs from other all time great RBs and you will see that it has happened before and will happen again. I find it difficult to believe that this is such a surprise to you.

And, while Hyde may be the 49ers best player he clearly wasn't last Sunday. Sorry if that hurt your fantasy team. It hurt mine but I recognize it for what it is and am able to objectively look at the situation and not freak out.
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Lol.  You rock. 

 
Chaka said:
I already addressed that up thread, go look at game logs from Adrian Peterson and get back to me (I posted a couple). Go look at game logs from other all time great RBs and you will see that it has happened before and will happen again. I find it difficult to believe that this is such a surprise to you.

And, while Hyde may be the 49ers best player he clearly wasn't last Sunday. Sorry if that hurt your fantasy team. It hurt mine but I recognize it for what it is and am able to objectively look at the situation and not freak out.
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I looked at those game logs, and I see that AP still led the team in rushing attempts in both of them. If you look at the recap of the games (on ESPN), you'll see that in the 2nd one AP was punished for being late for the team bus so he didn't start. Also, Breida was an UDFA rookie with 20 career carries for a 3.55 ypc at the time while Taylor was in his 6th season, had a 5.4 ypc on the year, and had over 1500 total yards the year before. Finally, probably the biggest difference is that I don't recall his coach saying he's going to "go with the hot hand".

I'm not saying a similar situation has never happened before, but it does seem pretty rare, and this one isn't a good example IMO.

 
humpback said:
I looked at those game logs, and I see that AP still led the team in rushing attempts in both of them. If you look at the recap of the games (on ESPN), you'll see that in the 2nd one AP was punished for being late for the team bus so he didn't start. Also, Breida was an UDFA rookie with 20 career carries for a 3.55 ypc at the time while Taylor was in his 6th season, had a 5.4 ypc on the year, and had over 1500 total yards the year before. Finally, probably the biggest difference is that I don't recall his coach saying he's going to "go with the hot hand".

I'm not saying a similar situation has never happened before, but it does seem pretty rare, and this one isn't a good example IMO.
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They count more than rushing attempts. Taylor and Peterson both had 11 touches in the first game and Taylor had 13 touches to Peterson's 11 in the second one but it doesn't matter and I am tired of merely pointing out that what happened to Hyde is not unprecedented. Also I am pretty sure that most people only remember one thing Dennis Green ever said.

If you want to believe that what happened to Hyde is indicative of a changing of the guard by all means I will no longer try to convince you that it may be a little premature to have that attitude.  Apologies for not jumping on the panic train when perhaps I should have. And I will applaud you and your foresight if Breida seizes the majority of touches going forward.

 
FGITLOTR said:
What teams would be a good fit for Hyde? Almost any place is an upgrade. Places that could use some help at RB:

Seattle

GB (what a great fit for that O)

Minny 
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I am not sure how much of an upgrade Seattle would be for Hyde.  Ditto Minnesota as he'd surely continue giving up some touches.  While we might like seeing him in GB (even knowing that he would still give up touches to other rbs), I doubt that Green Bay would make the move. 

If we are dreaming, I would like to see him go to Dallas.  More realistic, in my opinion, would be Baltimore or Philadelphia. 

 
Chaka said:
They count more than rushing attempts. Taylor and Peterson both had 11 touches in the first game and Taylor had 13 touches to Peterson's 11 in the second one but it doesn't matter and I am tired of merely pointing out that what happened to Hyde is not unprecedented. Also I am pretty sure that most people only remember one thing Dennis Green ever said.

If you want to believe that what happened to Hyde is indicative of a changing of the guard by all means I will no longer try to convince you that it may be a little premature to have that attitude.  Apologies for not jumping on the panic train when perhaps I should have. And I will applaud you and your foresight if Breida seizes the majority of touches going forward.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that the guard has changed. I think people are arguing that we have no confidence in the coach going forward. He made an off the cuff decision based on a few bad plays and then explained it as a hot hand after the game. How can we confidently start Hyde after that? What if he has a couple of bad reads or good forbid fumbles in the first quarter this week? Can we afford another 2 spot because Hyde's coach decided to go with the "hot hand?"

 
Chaka said:
They count more than rushing attempts. Taylor and Peterson both had 11 touches in the first game and Taylor had 13 touches to Peterson's 11 in the second one but it doesn't matter and I am tired of merely pointing out that what happened to Hyde is not unprecedented. Also I am pretty sure that most people only remember one thing Dennis Green ever said.

If you want to believe that what happened to Hyde is indicative of a changing of the guard by all means I will no longer try to convince you that it may be a little premature to have that attitude.  Apologies for not jumping on the panic train when perhaps I should have. And I will applaud you and your foresight if Breida seizes the majority of touches going forward.
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Well, considering AP only had 19 receptions on the entire season and Taylor had more than he did every single year that they played together, I don't think the receptions are any indication of a benching because of a hot hand. Interesting how you didn't address the other points I made either.

You sure do love your straw men- I never said what you're claiming, but don't be mad at me because you threw out a bad example from a decade ago as your "evidence".

 
Insein said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that the guard has changed. I think people are arguing that we have no confidence in the coach going forward. He made an off the cuff decision based on a few bad plays and then explained it as a hot hand after the game. How can we confidently start Hyde after that? What if he has a couple of bad reads or good forbid fumbles in the first quarter this week? Can we afford another 2 spot because Hyde's coach decided to go with the "hot hand?"
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What if he doesn't? What if he does exactly what he did for the first four games when he was getting 21 touches/game and averaging 5 yards per carry? What carries more weight for you last Sunday or the first four weeks? How one balances those two issues is really the only point I am making. Personally I think four weeks>>>last Sunday.  Everyone sees it differently but I wasn't particularly impressed with Breida last week.  SSND did the cut-up of his touches and, while he certainly seemed to have good acceleration IMO he did not demonstrate many other attributes I consider more important for a RB (vision, balance, power).  Personally I think if Hyde is injured and misses time we will see a pretty even split between Breida and Mostert. If Hyde is healthy I think it will continue to be his show.

 
humpback said:
Well, considering AP only had 19 receptions on the entire season and Taylor had more than he did every single year that they played together, I don't think the receptions are any indication of a benching because of a hot hand. Interesting how you didn't address the other points I made either.

You sure do love your straw men- I never said what you're claiming, but don't be mad at me because you threw out a bad example from a decade ago as your "evidence".
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I didn't say he was benched. And I am not sure why people keep saying Hyde was benched. Who is the starter this week?

 
Chaka said:
What if he doesn't? What if he does exactly what he did for the first four games when he was getting 21 touches/game and averaging 5 yards per carry? What carries more weight for you last Sunday or the first four weeks? How one balances those two issues is really the only point I am making. Personally I think four weeks>>>last Sunday.  Everyone sees it differently but I wasn't particularly impressed with Breida last week.  SSND did the cut-up of his touches and, while he certainly seemed to have good acceleration IMO he did not demonstrate many other attributes I consider more important for a RB (vision, balance, power).  Personally I think if Hyde is injured and misses time we will see a pretty even split between Breida and Mostert. If Hyde is healthy I think it will continue to be his show.
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To me it last Sunday happened even with the first 4 weeks. So why would this Sunday be different? Breida doesn't matter to me in this equation. What matters is what I think Hyde will get. And the answer is, I have no clue. Not in a FF sense that we never know. In a sense that I have no basis now for how the coach will react or what is going on behind the scenes. Hyde could get 25 carri s for 150 and 2 TDs or he could miss a couple blocks and be done for the day with 5 yards. I literally have no idea.

 
Insein said:
To me it last Sunday happened even with the first 4 weeks. So why would this Sunday be different? Breida doesn't matter to me in this equation. What matters is what I think Hyde will get. And the answer is, I have no clue. Not in a FF sense that we never know. In a sense that I have no basis now for how the coach will react or what is going on behind the scenes. Hyde could get 25 carri s for 150 and 2 TDs or he could miss a couple blocks and be done for the day with 5 yards. I literally have no idea.
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It sure adds another level of uncertainty if you look at it as a benching, which I do not. I view it as the normal level of uncertainty I have with a player like Hyde, and his perceived injury history. To me this should be far more about his hip than whether or not Shanahan will cede Hyde's PT to anyone else.

FTR I am not starting Hyde this week in favor of Jordan Howard and Doug Martin but, IMO, that is just the better play regardless of Hyde's health.  Two cross country trips in a row and playing a decent team coming off the bye just seems like a minus match-up on paper.

 
Chaka said:
I didn't say he was benched. And I am not sure why people keep saying Hyde was benched. Who is the starter this week?
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Lol, he was benched after the 1st series of the 2nd half, didn't see the field again until 5 minutes left in the 4th qtr. Or do you think that happens all the time too?

 
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