RB Delone Carter: Anything to see here? (1 Viewer)

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Had a rather quiet, if not poor, rookie year. He seems to have a fumbling problem that may or may not be corrected, and many think (for whatever reason) that Brown is suddenly the real deal. Others say Carter fits the new system better as a power back that can take pressure off a rookie QB.

Recent report shows Carter at the bottom of the depth chart, likely for motivational purposes.

I realize there's always a 'chance' something changes, but are the odds good enough to keep Carter on the roster, or can we safely give up on him?

 

[mjr]

Im not a fan of Carter, but I think it's way too early to give up on him. And while I like Brown, there's no certainty he can grasp on tightly to the lead role all season long. Ballard can wind up the dark horse for all we know. Far too many question marks right now to make definitive moves. Gotta see how the preseason goes at the very least.

 

[Concept Coop]

I would actually be buying Carter in dynasty leagues with solid roster sizes. Ballard and Carter can both be had for very little, and I don't believe in Brown. If Ballard or Carter is on the waiver wire, send a future late pick for the other and there is a good shot one of them gets a chance, in my opinion.

 

[Groundpounder]

Im not a fan of Carter, but I think it's way too early to give up on him. And while I like Brown, there's no certainty he can grasp on tightly to the lead role all season long. Ballard can wind up the dark horse for all we know. Far too many question marks right now to make definitive moves. Gotta see how the preseason goes at the very least.

I was very high on Carter as a dynasty prospect when he came into the NFL last year. I'm a big Syracuse fan and go to at least 2 games a year as well as watch every single one that is televised. This guy did more with less than any RB I saw play last season. SU's offensive line was(is) atrocious and he somehow, constantly found a way to get positive yardage. He turned many losses into 5,6,7 yard gains. I'm not sure what happened last year but I would not be surprised at all if he emerges this season or next. They guy can run the football with power and has excellent elusiveness for someone his size. He has great vision but his top end speed and initial burst are not that of the elite backs.I haven't seen many reports on him from Colts camp. Anyone get a glimpse of him this year? How does he look?

 

[Modog814]

Im not a fan of Carter, but I think it's way too early to give up on him. And while I like Brown, there's no certainty he can grasp on tightly to the lead role all season long. Ballard can wind up the dark horse for all we know. Far too many question marks right now to make definitive moves. Gotta see how the preseason goes at the very least.

I was very high on Carter as a dynasty prospect when he came into the NFL last year. I'm a big Syracuse fan and go to at least 2 games a year as well as watch every single one that is televised. This guy did more with less than any RB I saw play last season. SU's offensive line was(is) atrocious and he somehow, constantly found a way to get positive yardage. He turned many losses into 5,6,7 yard gains. I'm not sure what happened last year but I would not be surprised at all if he emerges this season or next. They guy can run the football with power and has excellent elusiveness for someone his size. He has great vision but his top end speed and initial burst are not that of the elite backs.I haven't seen many reports on him from Colts camp. Anyone get a glimpse of him this year? How does he look?

I'm not sure about his college days, but watching his runs I not sure I'd call it great vision. It seemed okay. Where I think he struggles is exploding out of the cut back which coincides with your initial assessment that he doesn't have the top end speed or burst. And I don't think his instincts are good enough to make up for this, as he seems very slow making his decision to cut back or not. Because of this I don't think he was a great fit for the zone blocking that Indy ran last year. I think Carter would perform much better in a angle blocking scheme, where he doesn't have to read and cut, but just has to build up his speed and hit the gap hard. I believe Arians ran this type of scheme in Pittsburgh.

 

[Groundpounder]

Im not a fan of Carter, but I think it's way too early to give up on him. And while I like Brown, there's no certainty he can grasp on tightly to the lead role all season long. Ballard can wind up the dark horse for all we know. Far too many question marks right now to make definitive moves. Gotta see how the preseason goes at the very least.

I was very high on Carter as a dynasty prospect when he came into the NFL last year. I'm a big Syracuse fan and go to at least 2 games a year as well as watch every single one that is televised. This guy did more with less than any RB I saw play last season. SU's offensive line was(is) atrocious and he somehow, constantly found a way to get positive yardage. He turned many losses into 5,6,7 yard gains. I'm not sure what happened last year but I would not be surprised at all if he emerges this season or next. They guy can run the football with power and has excellent elusiveness for someone his size. He has great vision but his top end speed and initial burst are not that of the elite backs.I haven't seen many reports on him from Colts camp. Anyone get a glimpse of him this year? How does he look?

I'm not sure about his college days, but watching his runs I not sure I'd call it great vision. It seemed okay. Where I think he struggles is exploding out of the cut back which coincides with your initial assessment that he doesn't have the top end speed or burst. And I don't think his instincts are good enough to make up for this, as he seems very slow making his decision to cut back or not. Because of this I don't think he was a great fit for the zone blocking that Indy ran last year. I think Carter would perform much better in a angle blocking scheme, where he doesn't have to read and cut, but just has to build up his speed and hit the gap hard. I believe Arians ran this type of scheme in Pittsburgh.

Believe me ... If you can find holes playing for Syracuse, you have great vision.

 

[az_prof]

Im not a fan of Carter, but I think it's way too early to give up on him. And while I like Brown, there's no certainty he can grasp on tightly to the lead role all season long. Ballard can wind up the dark horse for all we know. Far too many question marks right now to make definitive moves. Gotta see how the preseason goes at the very least.

I was very high on Carter as a dynasty prospect when he came into the NFL last year. I'm a big Syracuse fan and go to at least 2 games a year as well as watch every single one that is televised. This guy did more with less than any RB I saw play last season. SU's offensive line was(is) atrocious and he somehow, constantly found a way to get positive yardage. He turned many losses into 5,6,7 yard gains. I'm not sure what happened last year but I would not be surprised at all if he emerges this season or next. They guy can run the football with power and has excellent elusiveness for someone his size. He has great vision but his top end speed and initial burst are not that of the elite backs.I haven't seen many reports on him from Colts camp. Anyone get a glimpse of him this year? How does he look?

I'm not sure about his college days, but watching his runs I not sure I'd call it great vision. It seemed okay. Where I think he struggles is exploding out of the cut back which coincides with your initial assessment that he doesn't have the top end speed or burst. And I don't think his instincts are good enough to make up for this, as he seems very slow making his decision to cut back or not. Because of this I don't think he was a great fit for the zone blocking that Indy ran last year. I think Carter would perform much better in a angle blocking scheme, where he doesn't have to read and cut, but just has to build up his speed and hit the gap hard. I believe Arians ran this type of scheme in Pittsburgh.

Believe me ... If you can find holes playing for Syracuse, you have great vision.

I would not give up on him yet, but it is never good news when a fourth round pick the previous year starts camp the next year at the bottom of the depth chart. No way to morph that into something good. I also doubt it is to "motivate" him. You may do that to a first or second round pick who has been struggling to live up to potential or an older vet who doesn't seem to be working hard. Not to a second year, mid round pick, who didn't stand out in his rookie season.

 

[Eminence]

It's Donald Brown's job, imo.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I don't see more than a plotter like S. Green or C. Benson. Him, Ingram and D. Thomas was shoved down our throats last year yet neither impressed me. Big fast dudes usually are a better bet to be a fantasy stud, that's why Helu and Murry's learning curve wasn't as steep. If you don't believe me just look at your current top 10 running backs.

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't see more than a plotter like S. Green or C. Benson. Him, Ingram and D. Thomas was shoved down our throats last year yet neither impressed me. Big fast dudes usually are a better bet to be a fantasy stud, that's why Helu and Murry's learning curve wasn't as steep. If you don't believe me just look at your current top 10 running backs.

Ray RiceMJDJamaal CharlesLeSean McCoyChris Johnson5 of the top 10 I wouldn't call big and fast. Depending on what qualifies as fast, you could add Matt Forte as well.Ingram didn't have a big learning curve. The Saints simply didn't use him in a way that displays his strengths. I don't blame them, as what they did worked, and Sproles is just so explosive.

 

[BallparkFrank]

I just read an article a few days ago how Carter scored 3 TD's in 3 goal line drills, had improved in pass-pro and was having a good camp - and the next day he was listed as the #4 RB on the depth chart! (yes I know these depth charts are more or less worthless,but...)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I don't see more than a plotter like S. Green or C. Benson.

Those sneaky bastards are always plotting something. Likely they're up to no good.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I don't see more than a plotter like S. Green or C. Benson. Him, Ingram and D. Thomas was shoved down our throats last year yet neither impressed me. Big fast dudes usually are a better bet to be a fantasy stud, that's why Helu and Murry's learning curve wasn't as steep. If you don't believe me just look at your current top 10 running backs.

Ray RiceMJDJamaal CharlesLeSean McCoyChris Johnson5 of the top 10 I wouldn't call big and fast. Depending on what qualifies as fast, you could add Matt Forte as well.Ingram didn't have a big learning curve. The Saints simply didn't use him in a way that displays his strengths. I don't blame them, as what they did worked, and Sproles is just so explosive.

I almost deleted the word big for the sake of being misinterpreted. Those dudes are fast, rice and mjd are big to me too. Charles, Shady and CJ dont plot around for 3 yards and are TD threats anywhere on the field,same for Matt Forte. Ingram, what strenths? He was the worse back on the roster last year and that's including Chris Ivory.

 

[Clifford]

Drafted him last year in my dynasty and he is one of two guys I am considering cutting for a kicker. The other is Matt Moore.

 

[voiceofunreason]

You need to plot a course to a dictionary

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't see more than a plotter like S. Green or C. Benson. Him, Ingram and D. Thomas was shoved down our throats last year yet neither impressed me. Big fast dudes usually are a better bet to be a fantasy stud, that's why Helu and Murry's learning curve wasn't as steep. If you don't believe me just look at your current top 10 running backs.

Ray RiceMJDJamaal CharlesLeSean McCoyChris Johnson5 of the top 10 I wouldn't call big and fast. Depending on what qualifies as fast, you could add Matt Forte as well.Ingram didn't have a big learning curve. The Saints simply didn't use him in a way that displays his strengths. I don't blame them, as what they did worked, and Sproles is just so explosive.

I almost deleted the word big for the sake of being misinterpreted. Those dudes are fast, rice and mjd are big to me too. Charles, Shady and CJ dont plot around for 3 yards and are TD threats anywhere on the field,same for Matt Forte. Ingram, what strenths? He was the worse back on the roster last year and that's including Chris Ivory.

So you don't have to be big and fast? Ingram was not the worst back on the roster. He was put in very different situations than any of the other backs on the roster. A goal line back is going to have a lower average than a guy that doesn't get goal line carries. That is just one very small factor - there were others. Greg Cosell stated that he liked Ingram MORE AFTER his rookie season that he did going in - says he is a foundation back. I am going with a film guru over guys who use YPC as a measuring stick. Greg and Sean Payton also said the only thing keeping Ingram from winning ROY was Sean PaytonIngram's year was very close to that of Ray Rice's. Rice was used more and was more effective as a receiver. Other than that, they were identical. Ingram's YPC is lower becuase he was a goal line back (Rice wasn't), but they were equally effective running the ball. This isn't an Ingram thread, so I should stop.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I don't see more than a plotter like S. Green or C. Benson. Him, Ingram and D. Thomas was shoved down our throats last year yet neither impressed me. Big fast dudes usually are a better bet to be a fantasy stud, that's why Helu and Murry's learning curve wasn't as steep. If you don't believe me just look at your current top 10 running backs.

Ray RiceMJDJamaal CharlesLeSean McCoyChris Johnson5 of the top 10 I wouldn't call big and fast. Depending on what qualifies as fast, you could add Matt Forte as well.Ingram didn't have a big learning curve. The Saints simply didn't use him in a way that displays his strengths. I don't blame them, as what they did worked, and Sproles is just so explosive.

I almost deleted the word big for the sake of being misinterpreted. Those dudes are fast, rice and mjd are big to me too. Charles, Shady and CJ dont plot around for 3 yards and are TD threats anywhere on the field,same for Matt Forte. Ingram, what strenths? He was the worse back on the roster last year and that's including Chris Ivory.

So you don't have to be big and fast? Ingram was not the worst back on the roster. He was put in very different situations than any of the other backs on the roster. A goal line back is going to have a lower average than a guy that doesn't get goal line carries. That is just one very small factor - there were others. Greg Cosell stated that he liked Ingram MORE AFTER his rookie season that he did going in - says he is a foundation back. I am going with a film guru over guys who use YPC as a measuring stick. Greg and Sean Payton also said the only thing keeping Ingram from winning ROY was Sean PaytonIngram's year was very close to that of Ray Rice's. Rice was used more and was more effective as a receiver. Other than that, they were identical. Ingram's YPC is lower becuase he was a goal line back (Rice wasn't), but they were equally effective running the ball. This isn't an Ingram thread, so I should stop.

Tall doesn't mean big. Cossell is implying he didn't think much of him to begin with, coaches give lip service. I seen enough Saints games to have my own thoughts. I'm relating him to a guy that's not a great option for fantasy because his upside is guys like Benson whom I've never owned. There's a lot of football value in short yardage backs but in fantasy I'm not dying to own these guys.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Vick Ballard will lead the Colts in rushing.

 

[Concept Coop]

Tall doesn't mean big. Cossell is implying he didn't think much of him to begin with, coaches give lip service. I seen enough Saints games to have my own thoughts. I'm relating him to a guy that's not a great option for fantasy because his upside is guys like Benson whom I've never owned. There's a lot of football value in short yardage backs but in fantasy I'm not dying to own these guys.

You are wrong about Cosell. You are very welcome to your opinion. I must say that I can't place much value in the opinion of an owner who as written Ingram off as a short yardage back or as not talented.The Saints drafted Ingram to provide a balance the Saints have yet to commit to. Maybe they made a mistake, maybe they were surprised by Spores, or maybe it will take them more than one shortened off-season to implement it. But, (IMO) the moment Ingram is in a situation conducive to his success, he will be successful. I know it was just one run, but the 10 yarder he had in preseason was pretty. He has a balance/burst combination that many starters in the league should envy. Honest this time - I am done talking Ingram in a thread that has nothing to do with him. My apologies.

 

[Crippler]

The No. 1 unit scored on all three possessions with running back Delone Carter bulling his way into the end zone on each occasion.

And than this

Donald Brownwas once again, insignificant. Will have a post on him as well later this week, but from what I saw tonight he didn't always seem to be giving much effort. Alot of standing around from Brown.

It looks like he will be the goalline back and oculd provide nice points in TD heavy league. Also I get out of this that Brown could be easily replaced. Ballard could be the other guy for sure but the chance could be there come end of pre-season. I think he is a hold and Matt Moore would be the one gone easily

 

[Chazzhawk]

I have a hard time giving up anyone in last years rookie class because of the lack of training camp. Ingram, Carter, hell even Blaine Gabbert could rebound with a full camp. I am not betting on it, but I won't cut any of these guys until week 5 or 6 of the regular season

 

[Dippa]

I have a hard time giving up anyone in last years rookie class because of the lack of training camp. Ingram, Carter, hell even Blaine Gabbert could rebound with a full camp. I am not betting on it, but I won't cut any of these guys until week 5 or 6 of the regular season

Good post...I feel the same way about last year's rookies. During the lockout, it seemed to be the consensus that rookies would struggle, and now, after the success of a handful of rookies, many seem quick to write them off prematurely. Players progress at different speeds anyways, and I still feel that the lockout had a significant effect on the development of some rookies.