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Well, Walker hasn't had a chance to demonstrate that, so yeah, he hasn't demonstrated it "yet" You generally don't draft an RB early 2nd without having the opinion he will be a RB 1 type player.
Yeah, maybe. But again we should note that the Seahawks have more draft capital and money invested in Penny this year.
Penny's injury history is what obviously impacted this pick. I was surprised they used this pick on a RB after what Penny demonstrated at the end of 2021. They have a ton of holes on defense and thought they would fill some of those holes vs going RB. But guess Pete needed a back up plan in case Penny doesn't make it through the season plus a cheap RB for next year.Chaka said:
I disagree. Teams need two capable RBs, that is the reality. The position needed to be addressed because it would be foolish for any team to go into the season without at least two backs that could carry the load.
I know Seattle loves drafting RBs but with all of their holes, I think spending a high second on the position shows how they really feel about Carson’s outlook.TripItUp said:
“Elite” is a stretch - and speaking of stretch Penny’s success has been limited to a few small stretches. I’m a Penny owner and have no shot at Walker in that league so I hope he holds the job all season but let’s not turn him into something he’s not.Chaka said:
Seems pretty clear to me that Seattle is going to be picking a rookie QB early in next year’s draft, so it’s only a 1 year delay. fine with me since I’m in a rebuild.
To be fair, we don’t know for sure that the offense will be that bad. Lock doesn’t exactly provide much optimism, but it’s also true that over the last several years, Denver hasn’t exactly had a very good track record of developing young QBs.
Wilson was a third round pick that did pretty well for them - who else could they have developed while Wilson was there? - it wasn’t like they were drafting QBs but high each season.
I’m just saying - Wilson’s been there a long time and they haven’t developed anyone else. It’s a true statement that over the last several years, Seattle has shown as much excellence in developing QBs as Denver.
Any information we get now is valuable, in context. I know you’ve been supporting Penny in here, but I don’t think he will be treated as the incumbent in a sense where he’ll still need to compete. Like I said earlier if anything I’d be more hopeful for Penny since I have him on a team and I will not end up with Walker on any teams - but I’m just not sure Penny is “locked in”. He’s a talent and has flashed ability but he’s also not shown to be dependable and that’s why he’s back on a one year deal for small money. Walker has a very good chance to beat him out. Right now I would predict Penny would lead the committee in a 60-40 split because he’s familiar with the system but Walker has a great chance to impress and get more carries.Chaka said:
My dismissiveness of these comments literally, not figuratively, has nothing to do with Penny. I play in one redraft for almost 30 years, that's it. I own no shares of anyone ATM and absolutely have Walker high on my upside list.
, was incredibly effusive with tons of superlatives. It's the "water is wet" version of coach speak. It has, again, literally, not figuratively, zero value. For Walker, Penny, Carson or anyone else in the Seattle backfield.
I’m not accusing you of any bias but you’ve more than once shown support for Penny in here, even calling him “elite”. My only point is this may not be a typical incumbent situation since Penny has hardly shown an ability to be depended on and he’s only back on a one year relatively cheap deal.My dismissiveness of these comments literally, not figuratively, has nothing to do with Penny. I play in one redraft for almost 30 years, that's it. I own no shares of anyone ATM and absolutely have Walker high on my upside list.
My point is it's May, dude caught some rookie mini camp passes and Pete Carroll, surprisingly
ETA: I do love Penny's talent, I think he is legit #1 RB caliber, but if I had a draft board ATM, I don't, I probably don't take him as anything other than my RB 3 because the injury history is too recent and too lengthy. And if I did land him Walker would immediately become an overdraft in my book.
FTR please remember that most all my comments about players in the SP are from redraft perspective.
This time of year most of the people on here are looking through a dynasty lens - I'm sure 100% of the people would say from a re-draft perspective that this was not the ideal landing spot for 2022 production because Penny is there in 2022. That's pretty obvious.
Do you trust what any coach says during training camp?
Some more than others. Carroll is a notorious optimist though. The Carson thing was an exaggeration.
