RB's vs. WR's Article (1 Viewer)

[DaddyFatSacks]

Just got through reading the RB's vs. Wr's article written by Hasely. I thought it was an informative article, with a lot of good data but I feel like I'm missing something on the conclusion. It left me with a few questions; are RB's such as Portis, Lynch, Barber equal to Moss, Owens or Wayne? Is it a better gamble to draft a player like DeAngelo Williams or go for WR like Santana Moss? These players are often available and taken in the same area in drafts.

I got it that a player like LT (top RB) is worth more than R. Moss (top WR) and there comes a point where the top WR available passes the top RB available but these points in the draft always seem fairly obvious to me. I know a lot of us are facing this question in our draft; do I take Portis or Moss (or something like this)? How can this article help us make this call?

TIA

 

[tytyty]

 

[-jb-]

I didn't really get it. No offense to the author, but why do I care about WR24 vs R24? I'm more concerned about RB14 vs. WR7...which is pretty easily deduced via VBD.

 

[DaddyFatSacks]

Maybe I should add that I'm sitting in the 9th pick in a 10 team, two QB league; Brady, Romo and posibbly Manning will all be gone before my pick. I'm looking at some combo of Portis, Barber, Lynch, Moss. I can't decide between Moss and a RB with my first two or RB, RB.

I was hoping this article would answer my question......

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Maybe I should add that I'm sitting in the 9th pick in a 10 team, two QB league; Brady, Romo and posibbly Manning will all be gone before my pick. I'm looking at some combo of Portis, Barber, Lynch, Moss. I can't decide between Moss and a RB with my first two or RB, RB.

I was hoping this article would answer my question......

I apologize for any confusion. The article was meant to provide data regarding RBs and WRs and how they stack up against each other. With this information, you can get an idea of the similarities and differences of each and make your own conclusions based on your scoring format, etc. Having said that, if you're looking at a combo of either Moss, Wayne, Portis, Barber or Lynch

2007 ranks and FP - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (287)

Wayne WR4 (211)

Portis RB4 (237)

Barber RB7 (198)

Lynch RB12 (137)

2008 pre-season rank and subsequent projected FPs - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (222) ADP 9

Wayne WR2 (202) ADP 15

Portis RB9 (205) ADP 10

Barber RB7 (220) ADP 7

Lynch RB6 (221) ADP 11

This suggests you go with Moss and Barber if possible, but Barber and Lynch are pretty close. Your opinion could sway if you think Moss will put up more than 222 FPs. It also could sway if you think Lynch won't reach that number. It's a tough call, but the numbers are there to assist.

Projections suggest that the top 10 RBs will reach 200 FP, but only the top 2 WRs will reach 200 FP. Last year the top 5 WRs reached 200 FP and the top 6 RBs reached 200 FP. If your league is a PPR, which most leagues tend to be, I would tend to lean closer to a RB RB combo - they will provide more FPs on average than their counterpart elite WRs. If this is the case, I'd go Barber and Portis, but Lynch would be a safe pick as well if one is gone. I hope that doesn't sound too confusing. Did that help any?

 

[DaddyFatSacks]

Maybe I should add that I'm sitting in the 9th pick in a 10 team, two QB league; Brady, Romo and posibbly Manning will all be gone before my pick. I'm looking at some combo of Portis, Barber, Lynch, Moss. I can't decide between Moss and a RB with my first two or RB, RB.

I was hoping this article would answer my question......

I apologize for any confusion. The article was meant to provide data regarding RBs and WRs and how they stack up against each other. With this information, you can get an idea of the similarities and differences of each and make your own conclusions based on your scoring format, etc. Having said that, if you're looking at a combo of either Moss, Wayne, Portis, Barber or Lynch

2007 ranks and FP - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (287)

Wayne WR4 (211)

Portis RB4 (237)

Barber RB7 (198)

Lynch RB12 (137)

2008 pre-season rank and subsequent projected FPs - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (222) ADP 9

Wayne WR2 (202) ADP 15

Portis RB9 (205) ADP 10

Barber RB7 (220) ADP 7

Lynch RB6 (221) ADP 11

This suggests you go with Moss and Barber if possible, but Barber and Lynch are pretty close. Your opinion could sway if you think Moss will put up more than 222 FPs. It also could sway if you think Lynch won't reach that number. It's a tough call, but the numbers are there to assist.

Projections suggest that the top 10 RBs will reach 200 FP, but only the top 2 WRs will reach 200 FP. Last year the top 5 WRs reached 200 FP and the top 6 RBs reached 200 FP. If your league is a PPR, which most leagues tend to be, I would tend to lean closer to a RB RB combo - they will provide more FPs on average than their counterpart elite WRs. If this is the case, I'd go Barber and Portis, but Lynch would be a safe pick as well if one is gone. I hope that doesn't sound too confusing. Did that help any?

Thanks!

 

[tytyty]

Maybe I should add that I'm sitting in the 9th pick in a 10 team, two QB league; Brady, Romo and posibbly Manning will all be gone before my pick. I'm looking at some combo of Portis, Barber, Lynch, Moss. I can't decide between Moss and a RB with my first two or RB, RB.

I was hoping this article would answer my question......

I apologize for any confusion. The article was meant to provide data regarding RBs and WRs and how they stack up against each other. With this information, you can get an idea of the similarities and differences of each and make your own conclusions based on your scoring format, etc. Having said that, if you're looking at a combo of either Moss, Wayne, Portis, Barber or Lynch

2007 ranks and FP - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (287)

Wayne WR4 (211)

Portis RB4 (237)

Barber RB7 (198)

Lynch RB12 (137)

2008 pre-season rank and subsequent projected FPs - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (222) ADP 9

Wayne WR2 (202) ADP 15

Portis RB9 (205) ADP 10

Barber RB7 (220) ADP 7

Lynch RB6 (221) ADP 11

This suggests you go with Moss and Barber if possible, but Barber and Lynch are pretty close. Your opinion could sway if you think Moss will put up more than 222 FPs. It also could sway if you think Lynch won't reach that number. It's a tough call, but the numbers are there to assist.

Projections suggest that the top 10 RBs will reach 200 FP, but only the top 2 WRs will reach 200 FP. Last year the top 5 WRs reached 200 FP and the top 6 RBs reached 200 FP. If your league is a PPR, which most leagues tend to be, I would tend to lean closer to a RB RB combo - they will provide more FPs on average than their counterpart elite WRs. If this is the case, I'd go Barber and Portis, but Lynch would be a safe pick as well if one is gone. I hope that doesn't sound too confusing. Did that help any?

hi there. two questions. one if it IS ppr league. wr would catch more balls then a rb so why would you go rb/rb based on that. if the variable is u get additional points for more catches wouldnt it be reasonable that you would add more points with wr's?2nd question if top 10 rbs will be over (suggestion) 200 pts and only 2 wr will, wouldnt there be more value in those 2 wr's?

just tryingto wrap my head around this. thanks

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Maybe I should add that I'm sitting in the 9th pick in a 10 team, two QB league; Brady, Romo and posibbly Manning will all be gone before my pick. I'm looking at some combo of Portis, Barber, Lynch, Moss. I can't decide between Moss and a RB with my first two or RB, RB.

I was hoping this article would answer my question......

I apologize for any confusion. The article was meant to provide data regarding RBs and WRs and how they stack up against each other. With this information, you can get an idea of the similarities and differences of each and make your own conclusions based on your scoring format, etc. Having said that, if you're looking at a combo of either Moss, Wayne, Portis, Barber or Lynch

2007 ranks and FP - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (287)

Wayne WR4 (211)

Portis RB4 (237)

Barber RB7 (198)

Lynch RB12 (137)

2008 pre-season rank and subsequent projected FPs - Non PPR

Moss WR1 (222) ADP 9

Wayne WR2 (202) ADP 15

Portis RB9 (205) ADP 10

Barber RB7 (220) ADP 7

Lynch RB6 (221) ADP 11

This suggests you go with Moss and Barber if possible, but Barber and Lynch are pretty close. Your opinion could sway if you think Moss will put up more than 222 FPs. It also could sway if you think Lynch won't reach that number. It's a tough call, but the numbers are there to assist.

Projections suggest that the top 10 RBs will reach 200 FP, but only the top 2 WRs will reach 200 FP. Last year the top 5 WRs reached 200 FP and the top 6 RBs reached 200 FP. If your league is a PPR, which most leagues tend to be, I would tend to lean closer to a RB RB combo - they will provide more FPs on average than their counterpart elite WRs. If this is the case, I'd go Barber and Portis, but Lynch would be a safe pick as well if one is gone. I hope that doesn't sound too confusing. Did that help any?

hi there. two questions. one if it IS ppr league. wr would catch more balls then a rb so why would you go rb/rb based on that. if the variable is u get additional points for more catches wouldnt it be reasonable that you would add more points with wr's?2nd question if top 10 rbs will be over (suggestion) 200 pts and only 2 wr will, wouldnt there be more value in those 2 wr's?

just tryingto wrap my head around this. thanks

I will answer your question later tonight when I have more time. The best way to solve this is to use the draft dominator using your scoring system and look at the projected numbers for each player available at that spot. You can then use that to give you an indication of which player is better to draft. VBD plays a big role and the dominator calculates that for you.

 

[hauser42]

I didn't really get it. No offense to the author, but why do I care about WR24 vs R24? I'm more concerned about RB14 vs. WR7...which is pretty easily deduced via VBD.

The author could have added a lot to the article by putting the FP numbers in when it came to comparing the RBvsWR then it could have shown what numbers would have been for the RB7 vs WR 4 and so on. Article still has not changed my mind for this years draft.I have my league plugged into the DD and I only have 2 RBs in the top ten. I'm looking at QB and WR with my swing pick at 12. I really liked the article and it does as solid job of showing the numbers over a long period. List shows a lean to the old philosphy of stud backs. I still think you can go out and get a couple of top end WR early and still get two of the lower starting RBs later and be a top end team this year with all the depth at RB.

 

[LeadoffMan]

What I don't understand is when Jeff says "Leagues that reward points for receptions will see an even greater increase, however leagues that reward reception points for WRs only will see a more equal outcome."

I don't get it...when you add in receptions (for both RBs and WRs), this takes a big swing in the direction of WRs. Any thoughts? What am I missing? Is he basing that on this year's projections? If you look at final year end stats with PPR, it is heavily in favor of WRs.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

What I don't understand is when Jeff says "Leagues that reward points for receptions will see an even greater increase, however leagues that reward reception points for WRs only will see a more equal outcome."

I don't get it...when you add in receptions (for both RBs and WRs), this takes a big swing in the direction of WRs. Any thoughts? What am I missing? Is he basing that on this year's projections? If you look at final year end stats with PPR, it is heavily in favor of WRs.

The more equal outcome that I refer to is based on WRs getting a point per reception and RBs do not. This gives the WR more points which makes the two more equal. You're absolutely right about the confusion. I meant to say "Leagues that reward points for receptions will see an even greater increase for WRs, but I must've left that out.

 

[I Am Rick James]

I don't understand why comparing RB points directly to WR points even matters at all. Isn't position scarcity the only thing that matters unless we are filling a flex position?