RB's who also play 3rd down and get GL carries (1 Viewer)

[The Goose is Loose]

It seems that every year there are fewer and fewer RB's that stay in on 3rd downs (passing situations) and also get goal line carries. These are usually the guys I try to target in my PPR league.

I know about the obvious guys like LT, Steven Jackson and LJ. But who are some other RB's that fall into this category that might be solid sleepers for this year in a PPR league (ala Kevin Jones in 2006).

I like Ronnie Brown.

What about Thomas Jones? Is he now an every down all purpose back? Who are some others?

 

[Ilov80s]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Ronnie Brown may give way to Lorenzo Booker and Thomas Jones to Leon Washongton on 3rd downs. Both are good change-of-pace backs.

Jospeh Addai is the best runner, receiver, and blocker of the Indy backs. He'll play all 3 downs. Rumor has it that Willie Parker is pushing to be a three-down back in Pittsburgh. I'm not convinced it will happen, but it bears watching.

 

[-Crippler-]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

 

[Raiders Fan]

Jabobs for the Giants will get goalline and the majority of the carries. by far the best value RB available..

 

[gianmarco]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

 

[az_prof]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

I have read Kubiak talking about Dayne as a goal line back, so not sure I would put Green in this category, especially considering his age. I would think that they will try to limit his carries to keep him healthy since he wore down in the second half last year for GB.

 

[levinakl]

Marion Barber III has played 3rd down and gotten GL carries

 

[Dirty Weasel]

With a Fred Taylor injury, MJD becomes the feature RB in JAX. He already has the 3rd down and GL duties.

 

[-Crippler-]

Marion Barber III has played 3rd down and gotten GL carries

RB's who also play 3rd down and get GL carries

 

[Urinal Mint]

Fast Willie Parker is one such guy.

 

[redman]

Portis (except for 3rd and long, which Betts handles)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

to Shipp???Nah

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

to Shipp???Nah

To ANYBODY. Edge is one of the worst starting GL runners in the league, has been for years. Shipp can't do worse.

 

[The Goose is Loose]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

Pretty sure that Alexander gets taken out on 3rd down.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

57th out of 85...here is more detail on the FBG Blog:

http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/08/03/ed...goal-line-back/

Interesting, other notable people in James's neighborhood (less than 40% conversion rate) with 20 or more goal line carries:Marion Barber III 38%

Dominic Rhodes 38%

Clinton Portis 36%

Curtis Martin 36%

Deuce McCallister 35%

Ricky Williams 33%

Mike Alstott 32%

Willis McGahee 31%

Lamont Jordan 31%

So are all these guys bad goalline backs too? Apparently. Scoring short yardage TDs is tough.

How about that Jones-Drew though - 6 for 10.

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

to Shipp???Nah

To ANYBODY. Edge is one of the worst starting GL runners in the league, has been for years. Shipp can't do worse.

Brought this from the early discussion on this point.Edge is inline with other guys who carry most of the load.

 

[hephner]

Maroney will certainly give up some 3rd downs to Faulk, but he did have 22 receptions last year while splitting time with Maroney, and Faulk (in passing situations). Maroney will get the goal line carries, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him catch around 40 passes this year as well. Sammy Morris is a decent back, but I don't see him being much more than a backup to spell Maroney a few times a game.

Westbrook may qualify as well. He had 7 of the team's rushing TDs last year. The only other RB on the team to run for a TD was Buckhalter with 2. And Westbrook will pretty much always be on the field in passing situations and 3rd downs. He's a PPR stud (77 catches last year).

One other that hasn't been mentioned as a possibility is Marshawn Lynch, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays out, because it looks like fellow rookie, Dwayne Wright, may end up as the short-yardage/goal-line back.

The others have already been mentioned: LT, LJ, S-Jax, Addai, Gore, Ronnie Brown, possibly Parker, maybe Jacobs, MJD (& I see him taking quite a few more rushing carries away from Taylor this year), maybe A. Green (although I agree that Dayne may steal some goal-line carries, that is, if they get near the goal-line).

 

[Simris]

Will T. Henry get pulled?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Will T. Henry get pulled?

I don't see it. Not any more than a normal strater would for the occassional breather.

 

[The Hank]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

to Shipp???Nah

Shipp already had quite a couple times last year. I remember one particular game last year Shipp had 3 TDs in one game, although Edge had over 100 yds.Shipp is definitely the goaline guy.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

to Shipp???Nah

Shipp already had quite a couple times last year. I remember one particular game last year Shipp had 3 TDs in one game, although Edge had over 100 yds.Shipp is definitely the goaline guy.

Shipp did have 3 td's in one game and a grand total of 4 for the whole seasonNot a threat to Edge's production

 

[hellz_fireflies]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

Pretty sure that Alexander gets taken out on 3rd down.

Sometimes taken out..but in 2006 and missing 7 games he lead the Rb's on Seattle in 3rd/4th and goal from inside the 10 yd line.2006 stats: Alexander 34rush/139 yards 4 td's M.Morris 14rush/23 yards 0 td's M.Strong 21rush/139 yards 0 td's

 

[corpcow]

Marion Barber III has played 3rd down and gotten GL carries

Yeah but he didn't get 1st and 2nd down

 

[corpcow]

Will T. Henry get pulled?

I don't see it. Not any more than a normal strater would for the occassional breather.

It's possible depending on how the backup situation plays out. Mike Bell was particularly good in short yardage and could be used that way again.That said, Henry isn't the biggest back but he's actually quite good in short yardage situations. He has a low center of gravity, good balance, and runs tough. There's no reason he SHOULD be pulled, but it's possible if Bell is the RB2 that he might depending on his other workload.

 

[gianmarco]

Will T. Henry get pulled?

I don't see it. Not any more than a normal strater would for the occassional breather.

It's possible depending on how the backup situation plays out. Mike Bell was particularly good in short yardage and could be used that way again.That said, Henry isn't the biggest back but he's actually quite good in short yardage situations. He has a low center of gravity, good balance, and runs tough. There's no reason he SHOULD be pulled, but it's possible if Bell is the RB2 that he might depending on his other workload.

At the current rate, Mike Bell is gonna be lucky to make Denver's team.

 

[3nOut]

Although he will split carries on 1st and 2nd downs, Reggie Bush, I believe, will be the 3rd down back and i think the GL back as well. Didn't he do well last year on the GL?

 

[Phurfur]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

I have read Kubiak talking about Dayne as a goal line back, so not sure I would put Green in this category, especially considering his age. I would think that they will try to limit his carries to keep him healthy since he wore down in the second half last year for GB.

Ron Dayne never was and never will be a goal line back. On the other hand Green has proven himself to be very effective on the goal line.

 

[Phurfur]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

Pretty sure that Alexander gets taken out on 3rd down.

It has never happened in the past what makes you "pretty sure" it will happen this year.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

I can't see Bush getting GL looks over McAllister, who is a monster.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

Pretty sure that Alexander gets taken out on 3rd down.

It has never happened in the past what makes you "pretty sure" it will happen this year.

Morris is the 3rd down back. And it has happened every year for the past 2-3 years (see SA's rec stats going way down with it too)

 

[On The Rocks]

Will T. Henry get pulled?

I don't see it. Not any more than a normal strater would for the occassional breather.

If he gets a case of the dropsies he will.When he was in Buffalo he had a few goal line fumbles that cost the Bills a couple of games. He never got pulled because there wasn't anyone there to replace him with...until McGahee's second season.I don't know if there is much of a difference in Denver right now but Shanny won't hesitate to to at least try a few guys if Henry coughs it up.

 

[-Crippler-]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

to Shipp???Nah

Shipp already had quite a couple times last year. I remember one particular game last year Shipp had 3 TDs in one game, although Edge had over 100 yds.Shipp is definitely the goaline guy.

Shipp did have 3 td's in one game and a grand total of 4 for the whole seasonNot a threat to Edge's production

Yeah, unless you count that 24+ points

 

[Holy Schneikes]

57th out of 85...here is more detail on the FBG Blog:

http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/08/03/ed...goal-line-back/

Interesting, other notable people in James's neighborhood (less than 40% conversion rate) with 20 or more goal line carries:Marion Barber III 38%

Dominic Rhodes 38%

Clinton Portis 36%

Curtis Martin 36%

Deuce McCallister 35%

Ricky Williams 33%

Mike Alstott 32%

Willis McGahee 31%

Lamont Jordan 31%

So are all these guys bad goalline backs too? Apparently. Scoring short yardage TDs is tough.

How about that Jones-Drew though - 6 for 10.

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

Edge may lose GL carries.

to Shipp???Nah

To ANYBODY. Edge is one of the worst starting GL runners in the league, has been for years. Shipp can't do worse.

Brought this from the early discussion on this point.Edge is inline with other guys who carry most of the load.

Actually, he's not - WHICH WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BLOG YOU TOOK IT FROM.32% is NOT the same as 36%-40%, and it's one of the worst rates of any regular NFL starter, which is exactly what I said. Even aside from the actual numbers, while some those attempts were running in Arizona last year, MOST of them were running behind a very good line in an amazing offense (where James Mungro went for 50% for example).

Edge is a lot of things, but for whatever reasons, a good GL runner he is not.

 

[Jayrod]

If I understand this thread, you are looking for RB's who will get most of the regular work and also get 3rd down & goalline duty. The players in bold are the one's I expect to fullfill those criteria (used FBG's top 25 RB's for the list):

1 LaDainian Tomlinson, SD - yes, all RB duties

2 Steven Jackson, STL - yes, all RB duties

3 Larry Johnson, KC - yes, all RB duties

4 Frank Gore, SF - yes, all RB duties (despite depth chart listing Robinson as 3rd/short yardage back)

5 Brian Westbrook, PHI - yes, all RB duties...may lose some goalline, but not likely.

6 Willie Parker, PIT - not 100% of his status, but current news is that they want him to.

7 Shaun Alexander, SEA - tends to get pulled on passing situations (usually Mack Strong in 3rd down)

8 Joseph Addai, IND - yes, all RB duties

9 Travis Henry, DEN - yes, all RB duties

10 Rudi Johnson, CIN - tends to get pulled on passing situations.

11 Reggie Bush, NO - not an everydown back and Duece will get some goalline work as well. (RBBC)

12 Laurence Maroney, NE - Kevin Faulk listed as 3rd down back.

13 Clinton Portis, WAS - will most likely lose 3rd downs and some goalline to Betts (possible RBBC)

14 Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX - not an every down back (RBBC)

15 Willis McGahee, BAL - probably gets all situations, but might lose passing down duties.

16 Edgerrin James, ARI - some threat to lose goalline, but no real backup has emerged to take it away.

17 Ronnie Brown, MIA - yes, all RB duties

18 Cedric Benson, CHI - yes, all RB duties

19 Thomas Jones, NYJ - Washington listed as 3rd down back

20 Adrian Peterson, MIN - RBBC and he may even have the backseat to start the season.

21 Deuce McAllister, NO - RBBC with Bush will lose some goalline and all passing downs

22 Cadillac Williams, TB - Pittman listed as 3rd down back

23 Brandon Jacobs, NYG - will share time with Droughns, but get all goalline and most 3rd down/passing duties.

24 Marshawn Lynch, BUF - full blown RBBC with Anthony Thomas

25 Ahman Green, HOU - Lundy listed as 3rd down back

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Is it me, or does McGahee seem grossly underrated? I heard earlier in the month the Coach Billichik (sp) was excited about McGahee's pass catching ability. Balt seems like a great fit for him. Guys like MJD going in front of him is insane to me, barring injury McGahee will see so much more Opportunities...and that's half the battle folks.

 

[CrossEyed]

17 Ronnie Brown, MIA - yes, all RB duties

Wouldn't surprise me to see Brown lose 3rd down duties to Booker.

 

[Phurfur]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

Pretty sure that Alexander gets taken out on 3rd down.

It has never happened in the past what makes you "pretty sure" it will happen this year.

Morris is the 3rd down back. And it has happened every year for the past 2-3 years (see SA's rec stats going way down with it too)

You are dead wrong on this! You had better check your stats!2006 Alexander is injured2005Alexander carries - 370 Receptions - 15Morris carries - 71 Receptions - 52004Alexander carries - 353 Receptions - 23Morris carrie - 30 Receptions - 9I'm not too worried abouts SA's rec stats going down.

 

[az_prof]

Gore, Addai, Green, Edge,

I have read Kubiak talking about Dayne as a goal line back, so not sure I would put Green in this category, especially considering his age. I would think that they will try to limit his carries to keep him healthy since he wore down in the second half last year for GB.

Ron Dayne never was and never will be a goal line back. On the other hand Green has proven himself to be very effective on the goal line.

Someone needs to tell Kubiak that then, because he said this spring that Dayne was the goal line back.

 

[Jayrod]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

Pretty sure that Alexander gets taken out on 3rd down.

It has never happened in the past what makes you "pretty sure" it will happen this year.

Morris is the 3rd down back. And it has happened every year for the past 2-3 years (see SA's rec stats going way down with it too)

You are dead wrong on this! You had better check your stats!2006 Alexander is injured2005Alexander carries - 370 Receptions - 15Morris carries - 71 Receptions - 52004Alexander carries - 353 Receptions - 23Morris carrie - 30 Receptions - 9I'm not too worried abouts SA's rec stats going down.

They can't get much lower.I believe that Mack Strong is the true 3rd down back.

 

[Jayrod]

17 Ronnie Brown, MIA - yes, all RB duties

Wouldn't surprise me to see Brown lose 3rd down duties to Booker.

It's a possiblility, but Brown is an excellent receiver. No idication that Booker will see much duty at all, yet.

 

[wickster33]

Nobody has mentioned the Oakland Running Game (a true debacle last year), but If Lamont Jordan is healthy, he'll get all the carries for the first four weeks while Rhodes is serving his suspension. If he does well during that tryout, he well may keep Rhodes on the bench. Considering how late he's going in drafts, there is some value here.

 

[The Goose is Loose]

SA, he gets 3rd downs and goal line carries, doesnt he?

Pretty sure that Alexander gets taken out on 3rd down.

It has never happened in the past what makes you "pretty sure" it will happen this year.

Morris is the 3rd down back. And it has happened every year for the past 2-3 years (see SA's rec stats going way down with it too)

You are dead wrong on this! You had better check your stats!2006 Alexander is injured

2005

Alexander carries - 370 Receptions - 15

Morris carries - 71 Receptions - 5

2004

Alexander carries - 353 Receptions - 23

Morris carrie - 30 Receptions - 9

I'm not too worried abouts SA's rec stats going down.

In an article about Seattle fullback Leonard Weaver, it says this:

Initially, special teams is where he’ll get the bulk of his time – as he did in every game in 2005. But if he stays healthy, he’ll battle it out with Strong and tailback Mo Morris for that third down back spot – which is primarily a blocking position, with the occasional check-down pass or draw play.

LinkNo mention of Alexander playing 3rd downs. I'm sure he'll be in on 3rd and short situations but will be pulled in passing situations as he has in the past.

 

[Mmen of Steel]

If I understand this thread, you are looking for RB's who will get most of the regular work and also get 3rd down & goalline duty. The players in bold are the one's I expect to fullfill those criteria (used FBG's top 25 RB's for the list):

1 LaDainian Tomlinson, SD - yes, all RB duties

2 Steven Jackson, STL - yes, all RB duties

3 Larry Johnson, KC - yes, all RB duties

4 Frank Gore, SF - yes, all RB duties (despite depth chart listing Robinson as 3rd/short yardage back)

5 Brian Westbrook, PHI - yes, all RB duties...may lose some goalline, but not likely.

6 Willie Parker, PIT - not 100% of his status, but current news is that they want him to.

7 Shaun Alexander, SEA - tends to get pulled on passing situations (usually Mack Strong in 3rd down)

8 Joseph Addai, IND - yes, all RB duties

9 Travis Henry, DEN - yes, all RB duties

10 Rudi Johnson, CIN - tends to get pulled on passing situations.

11 Reggie Bush, NO - not an everydown back and Duece will get some goalline work as well. (RBBC)

12 Laurence Maroney, NE - Kevin Faulk listed as 3rd down back.

13 Clinton Portis, WAS - will most likely lose 3rd downs and some goalline to Betts (possible RBBC)

14 Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX - not an every down back (RBBC)

15 Willis McGahee, BAL - probably gets all situations, but might lose passing down duties.

16 Edgerrin James, ARI - some threat to lose goalline, but no real backup has emerged to take it away.

17 Ronnie Brown, MIA - yes, all RB duties

18 Cedric Benson, CHI - yes, all RB duties

19 Thomas Jones, NYJ - Washington listed as 3rd down back

20 Adrian Peterson, MIN - RBBC and he may even have the backseat to start the season.

21 Deuce McAllister, NO - RBBC with Bush will lose some goalline and all passing downs

22 Cadillac Williams, TB - Pittman listed as 3rd down back

23 Brandon Jacobs, NYG - will share time with Droughns, but get all goalline and most 3rd down/passing duties.

24 Marshawn Lynch, BUF - full blown RBBC with Anthony Thomas

25 Ahman Green, HOU - Lundy listed as 3rd down back

This is the way I see it too. This is why a tandem of non-RBBC backs in this year's draft is crucial !!

Let the top tier WRs and Peyton go -- just get that tandem