Redskins HC Gibbs says RB Portis ahead of schedule (1 Viewer)

[my man otis]

August 24, 2006, 06:53 Redskins :: RBHC Gibbs Expects RB Portis To Start Week 1Jason La Canfora, Washington Post - [Full Article]HC Joe Gibbs admitted that RB Clinton Portis's shoulder injury "causes you to think" more about running back depth, but said Portis's rehab is ahead of schedule and that he expects him to be starting in Week 1.

If you read the article this is really just a paraphrase from the author, not a direct quote from Gibbs. I'd love to see the exact quote that lead to the reporter writing this.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

the jerk> you forgot to mention age

You are correct in terms of this thread. However, in another thread on drafting the 4th pick...

Barber has missed only two of his past 128 games and six out of 144 for his career.While I think chronological age does matter, I think workload matters even more.Contrast Barber with James and Tomlinson.Chronological age as of September 2006:Barber 31 yr 5 moJames 28 yr 1 moLT 27 yr 2 moCombined number of regular season rushes and receptions:James 2544 over 96 games (26.50 touches per game)Barber 2417 over 138 games (17.52 touches per game)LT 2044 over 79 games (25.87 touches per game)Another way to look at it is that Barber has only had the punishing workload of a full feature back for the past four seasons:Barber's touches:1997-2001 629 rushes and 284 receptions in 74 games (12.34 touches per game)2002-2005 1260 rushes and 244 receptions in 64 games (23.50 touches per game)Finally, consider that 2005 was Barber's busiest year.In 16 games, 357 rushes and 54 receptions = 411 touches (25.69 touches per game)So even in Barber's busiest single season, he averaged fewer touches per game than both Edge and LT have FOR THEIR ENTIRE CAREER.Any player can get hurt, but it's stats like these that suggest Barber is a young 31 (and that Edge is an old 28).

Later I added:

Fantastic posts Jerk. Surely the actual age of Barber plays some role in your analysis, correct? How much weight do you give Barbers 31 year old body in your analysis?And as you noted, Barber is coming off by far the two biggest workload seasons of his career, and he doesn't have the size of the Edge or LT2. Doesn't this entail added risk?

I face a draft next week where I am 99% likely to be forced to choose between S.Jax and Tiki. I keep trying to find reasons to take Jackson, but what more does Barber need to do before you realize that he is a pretty good RB?As I said in my previous post, chronological age does matter. Healing takes a little longer, reflexes very slowly start to diminish, etc. However, it's hard to quantify how much impact this has on the likelihood of injury and lesser performance. Another factor is how well an individual athlete takes care of his body through nutrition, exercise and lifestyle. By all accounts, Tiki is exemplary in all aspects.As far as size is concerned, his comparatively small stature may actually play a role in helping him to avoid more direct hits similar to Barry Sanders. Watching Bettis in Pittsburgh all these years makes it very clear that the bigger back can dish out more punishment, but he also takes more punishment. For comparison, I expect LJ will be hard-pressed to last as long as Tiki if he doesn't adjust his style as he ages.I'm mildly concerned by Barber coming off four consecutive high workload seasons, but my biggest concern is actually that 2005 was almost certainly his career peak. Yet he can drop off 20-25% across the board and likely finish Top 6 again in 2006. Sometimes you can overanalyze this stuff. Every year people try to get the next big thing instead of taking the boring, proven pick. I'm pretty sure there are no points for originality or degree of difficulty in FF. It's usually yards and TDs that matter most.

Adding Portis to the mix...25 years 0 months1399 touches in 60 games (23.32 touches per game)Another way of looking at this is while Tiki is considerably older in terms of chronological age, in the five seasons prior to Portis' arrival in 2002, Tiki only had half the workload (12.34 touches per game) of a "workhorse" running back.Since Portis arrived in the NFLortis has 1258 rushes and 141 receptions in 60 games (23.32 touches per game)Barber has 1260 rushes and 244 receptions in 64 games (23.50 touches per game)Which running back played all 64 regular sesaon games from 2002-2005?Old Man BarberWhich running back missed four regular sesaon games?Young Pup Portis(NOTE: All stats taken from FBG's player pages. My spreadsheet calculations could include errors.)As you can tell, I don't mind running the numbers. Yet no amount of research can guarantee anything about any RB. This research makes me feel significantly more comfortable drafting Barber over Portis in 2006 redraft leagues. If you don't think it's relevant, than absolutely go another direction.

Good post.At this point, I WOULD take Barber over Portis, but I'm only dropping Portis 2-3 spots. All this posturing from people like Dodds is HORRIBLE knee-jerk analysis. Horrible.

 

[Gatorman]

At this point, I WOULD take Barber over Portis, but I'm only dropping Portis 2-3 spots. All this posturing from people like Dodds is HORRIBLE knee-jerk analysis. Horrible.

Don't hold back melly, tell us how you really feel.

 

[(HULK)]

At this point, I WOULD take Barber over Portis, but I'm only dropping Portis 2-3 spots. All this posturing from people like Dodds is HORRIBLE knee-jerk analysis. Horrible.

Don't hold back melly, tell us how you really feel.

I thought they would've bumped him back up to the 12 to 15 range at a MINIMUM by now.There is no reason on god's green earth that Deshaun Foster should be ranked ahead of Portis.A couple of my league mate don't do research and use the DD though, so I guess it makes it easier for me to steal him in the 2nd. And he will be a steal in the 2nd round absolutely.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I thought they would've bumped him back up to the 12 to 15 range at a MINIMUM by now.There is no reason on god's green earth that Deshaun Foster should be ranked ahead of Portis.A couple of my league mate don't do research and use the DD though, so I guess it makes it easier for me to steal him in the 2nd. And he will be a steal in the 2nd round absolutely.

He's #13 (consensus). Well above Foster.

 

[(HULK)]

I thought they would've bumped him back up to the 12 to 15 range at a MINIMUM by now.There is no reason on god's green earth that Deshaun Foster should be ranked ahead of Portis.A couple of my league mate don't do research and use the DD though, so I guess it makes it easier for me to steal him in the 2nd. And he will be a steal in the 2nd round absolutely.

He's #13 (consensus). Well above Foster.

He's #23 RB in Dodd's projections, many spots behind Foster as well as others.Plus, if you look at rankings from after the Duckett trade, you'll see a couple people have him in the 20s.This is way too low.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I thought they would've bumped him back up to the 12 to 15 range at a MINIMUM by now.There is no reason on god's green earth that Deshaun Foster should be ranked ahead of Portis.A couple of my league mate don't do research and use the DD though, so I guess it makes it easier for me to steal him in the 2nd. And he will be a steal in the 2nd round absolutely.

He's #13 (consensus). Well above Foster.

He's #23 RB in Dodd's projections, many spots behind Foster as well as others.Plus, if you look at rankings from after the Duckett trade, you'll see a couple people have him in the 20s.This is way too low.

He is the concensus RB13 post-trade, which is includes Dodds and Joe's ranking of RB23.

 

[(HULK)]

I thought they would've bumped him back up to the 12 to 15 range at a MINIMUM by now.There is no reason on god's green earth that Deshaun Foster should be ranked ahead of Portis.A couple of my league mate don't do research and use the DD though, so I guess it makes it easier for me to steal him in the 2nd. And he will be a steal in the 2nd round absolutely.

He's #13 (consensus). Well above Foster.

He's #23 RB in Dodd's projections, many spots behind Foster as well as others.Plus, if you look at rankings from after the Duckett trade, you'll see a couple people have him in the 20s.This is way too low.

He is the concensus RB13 post-trade, which is includes Dodds and Joe's ranking of RB23.

Yes, but Joe and Dodds aren't the only ones ranking him in the 20s.Plus, the excel sheet and dominator are fed Dodd's projections, not consensus.

 

[The Jerk]

And what... you have Portis RB8-RB15... you have Carson Palmer ranked between QB2 and QB17?... Ben Watson in the TE3-TE15 range?... lovely tiering... just go at your drafts with a ESPN June cheatsheet and it will be fine...You mentioned that your 8-15 range is a consequence of Portis status and the Redskins ground game... Hopefully you can draft retroactively in two months when these questions will be answered...There's nothing to add here... you are stating that you can't slot Portis right now - and I was looking forward to knowing why he was out of the first round in your opinion... sorry for asking for your knowledgeable and insightful information... later!

What is your problem? You're apparently too lazy to read the posts and put together the information, so I do it for you and point out that Portis is probably #11 instead of the #12 I had originally mentioned. One whole slot. WOW! Given your apparent reading comprehension level, I don't want to take any more chances, so:If drafting today, I slot Portis as the #11 RBBy the way, #12 is not necessarily out of the first round. As to the idea of a range being appropriate, on August 24 I find it simply intellectual honesty to admit that there is more variability with Portis than most other players expected to be top 15 picks. Some information should surface during the next few days to allow that range to be narrowed prior to most drafts. My earliest draft is August 31. Others are earlier. So what? The best reason to present a positional range instead of just a single number is that if my analogy to Barber is correct (as you at least pretended to agree with on your first response post to me), then Portis is several spots lower in a TD-heavy league than in a yardage-heavy league. Barber is, too, but he's still several spots ahead of Portis.What exactly have you contributed to this thread outside of speculation and hunches similar to many others? Where is your rebuttal to my arguments concerning Barber's clear performance advantage over Portis for the past two seasons, when Portis left Denver and Coughlin's staff and Manning came to the Giants?As for "knowledgeable and insightful" information, please check posts 39 and 47. Your next post in this thread of that caliber and detail will be your first.

 

[dgreen]

And what... you have Portis RB8-RB15... you have Carson Palmer ranked between QB2 and QB17?... Ben Watson in the TE3-TE15 range?... lovely tiering... just go at your drafts with a ESPN June cheatsheet and it will be fine...You mentioned that your 8-15 range is a consequence of Portis status and the Redskins ground game... Hopefully you can draft retroactively in two months when these questions will be answered...There's nothing to add here... you are stating that you can't slot Portis right now - and I was looking forward to knowing why he was out of the first round in your opinion... sorry for asking for your knowledgeable and insightful information... later!

What is your problem? You're apparently too lazy to read the posts and put together the information, so I do it for you and point out that Portis is probably #11 instead of the #12 I had originally mentioned. One whole slot. WOW! Given your apparent reading comprehension level, I don't want to take any more chances, so:If drafting today, I slot Portis as the #11 RBBy the way, #12 is not necessarily out of the first round. As to the idea of a range being appropriate, on August 24 I find it simply intellectual honesty to admit that there is more variability with Portis than most other players expected to be top 15 picks. Some information should surface during the next few days to allow that range to be narrowed prior to most drafts. My earliest draft is August 31. Others are earlier. So what? The best reason to present a positional range instead of just a single number is that if my analogy to Barber is correct (as you at least pretended to agree with on your first response post to me), then Portis is several spots lower in a TD-heavy league than in a yardage-heavy league. Barber is, too, but he's still several spots ahead of Portis.What exactly have you contributed to this thread outside of speculation and hunches similar to many others? Where is your rebuttal to my arguments concerning Barber's clear performance advantage over Portis for the past two seasons, when Portis left Denver and Coughlin's staff and Manning came to the Giants?As for "knowledgeable and insightful" information, please check posts 39 and 47. Your next post in this thread of that caliber and detail will be your first.

You're such a jerk.

 

[The Jerk]

And what... you have Portis RB8-RB15... you have Carson Palmer ranked between QB2 and QB17?... Ben Watson in the TE3-TE15 range?... lovely tiering... just go at your drafts with a ESPN June cheatsheet and it will be fine...You mentioned that your 8-15 range is a consequence of Portis status and the Redskins ground game... Hopefully you can draft retroactively in two months when these questions will be answered...There's nothing to add here... you are stating that you can't slot Portis right now - and I was looking forward to knowing why he was out of the first round in your opinion... sorry for asking for your knowledgeable and insightful information... later!

What is your problem? You're apparently too lazy to read the posts and put together the information, so I do it for you and point out that Portis is probably #11 instead of the #12 I had originally mentioned. One whole slot. WOW! Given your apparent reading comprehension level, I don't want to take any more chances, so:If drafting today, I slot Portis as the #11 RBBy the way, #12 is not necessarily out of the first round. As to the idea of a range being appropriate, on August 24 I find it simply intellectual honesty to admit that there is more variability with Portis than most other players expected to be top 15 picks. Some information should surface during the next few days to allow that range to be narrowed prior to most drafts. My earliest draft is August 31. Others are earlier. So what? The best reason to present a positional range instead of just a single number is that if my analogy to Barber is correct (as you at least pretended to agree with on your first response post to me), then Portis is several spots lower in a TD-heavy league than in a yardage-heavy league. Barber is, too, but he's still several spots ahead of Portis.What exactly have you contributed to this thread outside of speculation and hunches similar to many others? Where is your rebuttal to my arguments concerning Barber's clear performance advantage over Portis for the past two seasons, when Portis left Denver and Coughlin's staff and Manning came to the Giants?As for "knowledgeable and insightful" information, please check posts 39 and 47. Your next post in this thread of that caliber and detail will be your first.

You're such a jerk.

Living up to my name.

 

[softball]

Duckett=Aflac

ROFLMAO

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

David and Joe have quietly moved Portis up to RB15.

 

[redman]

Duckett=Aflac

ROFLMAO

 

[The Jerk]

David and Joe have quietly moved Portis up to RB15.

Grass roots, baby.

 

[TheLaw]

anything new on the Portis front??

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

anything new on the Portis front??

Not that I've heared of Latest word is that he'll be ready to go for the season opener.

 

[dgreen]

Gibbs was on the evening news with George Michael for his weekly appearence and continues to say Portis is ahead of schedule. He also said Portis has been running a lot in practice the last few days (without pads and no contact, of course) and talked about how Portis has been doing about 4 hours per day of rehab. I don't sense much concern that Portis will miss the opener.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Gibbs was on the evening news with George Michael for his weekly appearence and continues to say Portis is ahead of schedule. He also said Portis has been running a lot in practice the last few days (without pads and no contact, of course) and talked about how Portis has been doing about 4 hours per day of rehab. I don't sense much concern that Portis will miss the opener.

With the opener only two weeks away he needs to get some contact in to test out the shoulder

 

[MKB4®]

Redskins RB Portis running without sling

Written by: MELINDA WALDROP ¦ 8/28/2006

Source: www.dailypress.com

Clinton Portis ran up and down the sideline during Monday's practice in shorts and a T-shirt, minus the sling that once protected his partially dislocated left shoulder. Redskins director of sports medicine Bubba Tyer said Portis' rehab is progressing, and though it's still too early to say for sure, "he's got a shot" at being ready for Washington's Sept. 11 season opener, Tyer said.

http://www.dailypress.com/

 

[The Jerk]

Gibbs was on the evening news with George Michael for his weekly appearence and continues to say Portis is ahead of schedule. He also said Portis has been running a lot in practice the last few days (without pads and no contact, of course) and talked about how Portis has been doing about 4 hours per day of rehab. I don't sense much concern that Portis will miss the opener.

Did Gibbs join in performing any old Wham! songs during the show?