Redskins to trade up to #1 ? (1 Viewer)

[Ron_Mexico]

(Rotoworld) The Charlotte Observer passing along draft "buzz" that the Redskins might offer Albert Haynesworth, LaRon Landry, and the No. 4 overall pick to the Rams in exchange for the No. 1 selection.

Analysis: We have no idea if there's truth to this clear-cut rumor. It would have to interest St. Louis, though, particularly if the Skins threw in Jason Campbell with the Rams perhaps adding in a late-round pick. Haynesworth remains a difference-making pass rusher, and Landry is not without top-10 or 15 safety talent. St. Louis would also have to be high on Jimmy Clausen.

This could be sick for the Rams if they walk away with Haynesworth, Landry, Campbell,

then trade down from #4 and stockpile future picks and grab Claussen later in the 1st.

 

[aaawall91]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

 

[Honda]

(Rotoworld) The Charlotte Observer passing along draft "buzz" that the Redskins might offer Albert Haynesworth, LaRon Landry, and the No. 4 overall pick to the Rams in exchange for the No. 1 selection.Analysis: We have no idea if there's truth to this clear-cut rumor. It would have to interest St. Louis, though, particularly if the Skins threw in Jason Campbell with the Rams perhaps adding in a late-round pick. Haynesworth remains a difference-making pass rusher, and Landry is not without top-10 or 15 safety talent. St. Louis would also have to be high on Jimmy Clausen.This could be sick for the Rams if they walk away with Haynesworth, Landry, Campbell,then trade down from #4 and stockpile future picks and grab Claussen later in the 1st.

If this is true, they have to jump on it like a duck on a junebug.No way that's true.

 

[Sweet Love]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

 

[Honda]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

Trading up to get Suh to play in a 3-4? I really doubt it.

 

[encaitar]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Yeah, but that depends on the talent evaluators. If St Louis and Washington both feel Bradford is the next Brady or Manning, then it would take a boatload to get the pick away from the Rams. If this rumor has any merit, then it shows that the Skins' are willing to give that. The Rams might immediately become the favorite in the West if they pulled that move and drafted a top flight OT to set opposite of Smith. Their defense would be much, much improved. Imagine Otogwe and Landry in the same secondary.

 

[travdogg]

If I were the Rams I'd do this in an instant, and I would also then pass on Clausen and just go with Campbell and either Tebow/McCoy in round 2.

Think about it, they could add Haynesworth, Campbell, Landry and either Eric Berry or Russell Okung for Sam Bradford and maybe a 4th rounder and then still get Tebow or McCoy who may be just as good as Bradford anyway.

They add a lot of salary in the move, but they also in my opinion add a chance at a divison title in my opinion.

 

[Honda]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Yeah, but that depends on the talent evaluators. If St Louis and Washington both feel Bradford is the next Brady or Manning, then it would take a boatload to get the pick away from the Rams. If this rumor has any merit, then it shows that the Skins' are willing to give that. The Rams might immediately become the favorite in the West if they pulled that move and drafted a top flight OT to set opposite of Smith. Their defense would be much, much improved. Imagine Otogwe and Landry in the same secondary.

Have the Rams re-signed Otogwe yet?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

Trading up to get Suh to play in a 3-4? I really doubt it.

I think Suh would be a dynamite 3-4 end. I see what you're saying, but as a fan of a team that's employed the 3-4 forever, a 3-4 end is far more important than one might imagine.

 

[Foosball God]

Is Haynesworth really that valuable in trade? Would you want to be saddled with that guarantied money knowing his propensity for injury and history of malcontent?

 

[encaitar]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Yeah, but that depends on the talent evaluators. If St Louis and Washington both feel Bradford is the next Brady or Manning, then it would take a boatload to get the pick away from the Rams. If this rumor has any merit, then it shows that the Skins' are willing to give that. The Rams might immediately become the favorite in the West if they pulled that move and drafted a top flight OT to set opposite of Smith. Their defense would be much, much improved. Imagine Otogwe and Landry in the same secondary.

Have the Rams re-signed Otogwe yet?

No, but he can't be signed by anyone else now that the time period for that has passed, so it's just a matter of time. Although if they make this trade, then trading Otogwe and grabbing Berry at 4 wouldn't be out of the question.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

No way can the Redskins actually do this. I don't believe it for one moment.

 

[encaitar]

Is Haynesworth really that valuable in trade? Would you want to be saddled with that guarantied money knowing his propensity for injury and history of malcontent?

Most of his guaranteed money is paid already. Sure there's still a bit more and his yearly salary is a bit high, but he improves their team dramatically.

 

[Honda]

I think Suh would be a dynamite 3-4 end. I see what you're saying, but as a fan of a team that's employed the 3-4 forever, a 3-4 end is far more important than one might imagine.

I think Suh's good enough to play just about anywhere in the front seven in any scheme. But I don't know why you'd want to pay #1 overall money to a 3-4 DE no matter how good he is.

 

[Foosball God]

Is Haynesworth really that valuable in trade? Would you want to be saddled with that guarantied money knowing his propensity for injury and history of malcontent?

Most of his guaranteed money is paid already. Sure there's still a bit more and his yearly salary is a bit high, but he improves their team dramatically.

I didn't think it was all signing bonus, but I could be wrong here.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I think Suh would be a dynamite 3-4 end. I see what you're saying, but as a fan of a team that's employed the 3-4 forever, a 3-4 end is far more important than one might imagine.

I think Suh's good enough to play just about anywhere in the front seven in any scheme. But I don't know why you'd want to pay #1 overall money to a 3-4 DE no matter how good he is.

I hear you, and it's a tough call. I just think he could improve a team's run defense by about 30 yards a game the minute he steps on the field. He's going to be unstoppable coming off the edge and blowing plays up in the backfield. He might be the only guy alive I would say this about, but in his case, he might actually be worth it.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

If the Rams trade down to 4 and Washington takes Suh, the Rams would probably still end up with Bradford. Why speculate about Berry or an OL?

 

[(HULK)]

No way the Skins do this. No way.

 

[TheFanatic]

No way can the Redskins actually do this. I don't believe it for one moment.

Me neither. They just got a QB. Who has three to four years left. The move up would be to get BRadford since I don't think they are planning to take a Dlineman with the pick so that means they can take whomever they want at 4 as if they were picking first overall because now they have no need for those guys...

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

If the Rams trade down to 4 and Washington takes Suh, the Rams would probably still end up with Bradford. Why speculate about Berry or an OL?

That would be too good to be true for the Rams. None of this is happening, but if they made that trade and ended up with Bradford.... oh my.ETA: Why wouldn't Washington just make that offer to Detroit? Detroit has been very proactive in acquiring defenders this offseason, it would be a great trade for them... plus Washington would save a little money paying Suh as a #2 instead of a #1. They would risk the Rams taking Suh or a possible trade up from Tampa, but both are unlikely.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Is Haynesworth really that valuable in trade? Would you want to be saddled with that guarantied money knowing his propensity for injury and history of malcontent?

Actually, he now has a very friendly contract since the Redskins paid that big bonus to him. I think he's only averaging around 6 million per over the next 3 years.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I think Suh would be a dynamite 3-4 end. I see what you're saying, but as a fan of a team that's employed the 3-4 forever, a 3-4 end is far more important than one might imagine.

I think Suh's good enough to play just about anywhere in the front seven in any scheme. But I don't know why you'd want to pay #1 overall money to a 3-4 DE no matter how good he is.

I hear you, and it's a tough call. I just think he could improve a team's run defense by about 30 yards a game the minute he steps on the field. He's going to be unstoppable coming off the edge and blowing plays up in the backfield. He might be the only guy alive I would say this about, but in his case, he might actually be worth it.

Reggie White and Bruce Smith were pretty dominant as 3-4 ends; as I understood it, White was more of a traditional 3-4 end while the Bills schemed to give Smith more one on one matchups. Still, with the right talent level, you can be a game-changing 3-4 end as a pass rusher.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If the Rams trade down to 4 and Washington takes Suh, the Rams would probably still end up with Bradford. Why speculate about Berry or an OL?

Doubt it. someone like Seattle or Cleveland might move up with detroit or tampa to leap frog Stl and get bradford. if STL wants bradford they cannot move down.

 

[footballsavvy]

They might "re-trade" out of 1st in a 3-way deal... This might be a way for them to unload Haynesworth and sell the #1 to another buyer that they already have had communications with. They still have 5 hours to get it figured out!

 

[encaitar]

Is Haynesworth really that valuable in trade? Would you want to be saddled with that guarantied money knowing his propensity for injury and history of malcontent?

Most of his guaranteed money is paid already. Sure there's still a bit more and his yearly salary is a bit high, but he improves their team dramatically.

I didn't think it was all signing bonus, but I could be wrong here.

No, it wasn't all signing bonus. He had a $21 million roster bonus just paid to him this March. It's why there was rumor of shipping him out earlier, but most people seem to believe it won't happen now that all that money was paid to him. His contract is very reasonable now for a top flight DT.

 

[culdeus]

I see this as a good move for both teams, but then again I'm not a GM.

 

[Sweet Love]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

Trading up to get Suh to play in a 3-4? I really doubt it.

Oof...my bad...thinkning about last year in the 4-3; hence the reason to move Haynesworth. Thanks!

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I think Suh would be a dynamite 3-4 end. I see what you're saying, but as a fan of a team that's employed the 3-4 forever, a 3-4 end is far more important than one might imagine.

I think Suh's good enough to play just about anywhere in the front seven in any scheme. But I don't know why you'd want to pay #1 overall money to a 3-4 DE no matter how good he is.

I hear you, and it's a tough call. I just think he could improve a team's run defense by about 30 yards a game the minute he steps on the field. He's going to be unstoppable coming off the edge and blowing plays up in the backfield. He might be the only guy alive I would say this about, but in his case, he might actually be worth it.

Reggie White and Bruce Smith were pretty dominant as 3-4 ends; as I understood it, White was more of a traditional 3-4 end while the Bills schemed to give Smith more one on one matchups. Still, with the right talent level, you can be a game-changing 3-4 end as a pass rusher.

Absolutely. I'm not used to seeing the end as a major pass rushing threat (but not every team will run their 3-4 like the Steelers do) but even as a 5-6 sack per year guy, the damage Suh could do to a running attack could make him that valuable even without a ton of sacks.

 

[wadegarrett]

i'm all for crazy stuff happening

 

[Honda]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

Trading up to get Suh to play in a 3-4? I really doubt it.

Oof...my bad...thinkning about last year in the 4-3; hence the reason to move Haynesworth. Thanks!

Well, like a couple guys have pointed out, it's not as out of place as my initial knee-jerk reaction made it seem.

 

[phthalatemagic]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

Trading up to get Suh to play in a 3-4? I really doubt it.

Richard Seymour was the most important player during the Patriots 3 championship run. Great 3-4 ends are really important.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

Trading up to get Suh to play in a 3-4? I really doubt it.

Richard Seymour was the most important player during the Patriots 3 championship run. Great 3-4 ends are really important.

Tom Brady down?

 

[Foosball God]

Is Haynesworth really that valuable in trade? Would you want to be saddled with that guarantied money knowing his propensity for injury and history of malcontent?

Most of his guaranteed money is paid already. Sure there's still a bit more and his yearly salary is a bit high, but he improves their team dramatically.

I didn't think it was all signing bonus, but I could be wrong here.

No, it wasn't all signing bonus. He had a $21 million roster bonus just paid to him this March. It's why there was rumor of shipping him out earlier, but most people seem to believe it won't happen now that all that money was paid to him. His contract is very reasonable now for a top flight DT.

Got it, thanks.

 

[phthalatemagic]

It would be a steal for St. Louis. I don't understand this extreme value difference between 1 and 4. If it was a lock Bradford would be a better player down the road I could understand...but its far from it.

Any chance they are considering trading into #1 to get Suh (so that Detroit does not select him)? If they really want him, they would have to go to #1 to ensure they get him (especially if they have been poking around Det and they have no desire to trade from #2).

Trading up to get Suh to play in a 3-4? I really doubt it.

Richard Seymour was the most important player during the Patriots 3 championship run. Great 3-4 ends are really important.

Tom Brady down?

Richard Seymour.

 

[dhockster]

I think Suh would be a dynamite 3-4 end. I see what you're saying, but as a fan of a team that's employed the 3-4 forever, a 3-4 end is far more important than one might imagine.

I think Suh's good enough to play just about anywhere in the front seven in any scheme. But I don't know why you'd want to pay #1 overall money to a 3-4 DE no matter how good he is.

I hear you, and it's a tough call. I just think he could improve a team's run defense by about 30 yards a game the minute he steps on the field. He's going to be unstoppable coming off the edge and blowing plays up in the backfield. He might be the only guy alive I would say this about, but in his case, he might actually be worth it.

Reggie White and Bruce Smith were pretty dominant as 3-4 ends; as I understood it, White was more of a traditional 3-4 end while the Bills schemed to give Smith more one on one matchups. Still, with the right talent level, you can be a game-changing 3-4 end as a pass rusher.

Reggie White did not play in the 3-4 with the Eagles, the Eagles line was White and Clyde Simmons at DE with Jerome Brown and Mike Pitts/Mike Golic at DT; I don't know what the Packers defense was.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Reggie White did not play in the 3-4 with the Eagles, the Eagles line was White and Clyde Simmons at DE with Jerome Brown and Mike Pitts/Mike Golic at DT; I don't know what the Packers defense was.

Before Clyde Simmons and Jerome Brown came to Philly, they played a 3-4 front. White was a Pro Bowl 3-4 DE as a rookie, and actually made the Pro Bowl as a 4-3 DT his second season; then, after Brown was drafted, White moved to 4-3 DE. With the Packers, White played as a 3-4 DE (and again made the Pro Bowl) in 1993.

 

[dhockster]

Reggie White did not play in the 3-4 with the Eagles, the Eagles line was White and Clyde Simmons at DE with Jerome Brown and Mike Pitts/Mike Golic at DT; I don't know what the Packers defense was.

Before Clyde Simmons and Jerome Brown came to Philly, they played a 3-4 front. White was a Pro Bowl 3-4 DE as a rookie, and actually made the Pro Bowl as a 4-3 DT his second season; then, after Brown was drafted, White moved to 4-3 DE. With the Packers, White played as a 3-4 DE (and again made the Pro Bowl) in 1993.

I forgot that Reggie started in 1985 with Marion Campball (the swamp fox) as head coach. He ran a 3-4 just as he did when he was def. coordinator under Vermeil. I associated Reggie's time in Philadelphia with Buddy Ryan who was hired in 1986. Nice catch and good information.

 

[fatness]

This rumor isn't going to happen. The Redskins won't lock up that much money at the QB position, tell McNabb he's basically a 1-year fill-in at QB, and ignore crying needs elsewhere.