Jason Wood
Zoo York
Peter King is a really plugged in guy, so how he ends up wrong so often is beyond me. It's one of the great mysteries of modern football. 
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Reggie Bush Bulking Up (1 Viewer)
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
...and I don't remember Reggie ever being as good as Gale Sayers, or as many people have opined, Barry Sanders.I don't remember Warrick Dunn ever being as good as Reggie in college.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
This is exactly what I thought of when I saw this thread. Lots of guys bulk up, then lose it when they start playing. Most people have a natural body weight that they gravitate toward.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I didn't have the privelege of seeing Gayle Sayers in collge, but I did see Warrick Dunn and plenty of Reggie Bush. For as much as I like Dunn and think he's pretty underrated around fantasy circles and among casual NFL fans, Bush seemed significantly better than Dunn in my eyes....and I don't remember Reggie ever being as good as Gale Sayers, or as many people have opined, Barry Sanders.I don't remember Warrick Dunn ever being as good as Reggie in college.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Ummm....yes.This kind of talk just has to stop right now.....You people need to stay away from the
Reggie Bush and Earl Campbell in the same sentence = the hairy scotsman laughing his ### off.
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bigreese82
Footballguy
It's possible that he bulked up just to pass the "eye test"..weigh in and will drop down to around 190 to run his 40 during his PRO DAY. He probably wont be weighed again I think that's a common practice
BigJim®
Footballguy
Seeing that Calhoun weighed in at 201 is yet another head scratcher for me. According to him, he never weighed the 194 that was listed in the Wisconsin materials. In fact, he said he played at 208 in the bowl game. How did he too allow himself to slip to 201 knowing weight was his one major red flag? How accurate are the scales these guys are using on a day to day basis, because the combine scale is making them look like they don't know how to accurately weigh themselves.Peter King is a really plugged in guy, so how he ends up wrong so often is beyond me. It's one of the great mysteries of modern football.
bigreese82
Footballguy
7lbs will all the speed training he's doing is not really a lot...sure some was water weightSeeing that Calhoun weighed in at 201 is yet another head scratcher for me. According to him, he never weighed the 194 that was listed in the Wisconsin materials. In fact, he said he played at 208 in the bowl game. How did he too allow himself to slip to 201 knowing weight was his one major red flag? How accurate are the scales these guys are using on a day to day basis, because the combine scale is making them look like they don't know how to accurately weigh themselves.Peter King is a really plugged in guy, so how he ends up wrong so often is beyond me. It's one of the great mysteries of modern football.
Old Man Raider
Footballguy
As a point of reference with respect to the Gale Sayers comparisons, the Sayers card I collected as a kid lists him as 6'0'', 198 lbs. That was with 5 years pro ball already under his belt after the 1969 season. The card also reads, "Considered to be the most exciting runner in pro football today", and notes the fact Sayers "set the rookie mark with 22 touchdowns" in 1965.
As of fan of both, it'd be nice if Reggie Bush's name could be used interchangably with Sayers above, albeit a generation later. Reggie's bar has certainly been set high.
As of fan of both, it'd be nice if Reggie Bush's name could be used interchangably with Sayers above, albeit a generation later. Reggie's bar has certainly been set high.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
From a very recent interview at NFL DraftCountdown?Seeing that Calhoun weighed in at 201 is yet another head scratcher for me. According to him, he never weighed the 194 that was listed in the Wisconsin materials. In fact, he said he played at 208 in the bowl game. How did he too allow himself to slip to 201 knowing weight was his one major red flag?Peter King is a really plugged in guy, so how he ends up wrong so often is beyond me. It's one of the great mysteries of modern football.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I was wrong attributing the info directly to Calhoun. It was actually from his position coach at Wisconsin in an interview at Scout.com on Jan 9:Calhoun is listed at 5-foot-10, 194 pounds on UW’s official roster, but outgoing Badger running backs coach Brian White said in August that Calhoun actually weighed 203 pounds.From a very recent interview at NFL DraftCountdown?Seeing that Calhoun weighed in at 201 is yet another head scratcher for me. According to him, he never weighed the 194 that was listed in the Wisconsin materials. In fact, he said he played at 208 in the bowl game. How did he too allow himself to slip to 201 knowing weight was his one major red flag?Peter King is a really plugged in guy, so how he ends up wrong so often is beyond me. It's one of the great mysteries of modern football.
Koch reiterated that Monday.
“He thinks his stock is only going to rise in the combines because he played the bowl game at 206 (pounds),” Koch said. “People don’t realize that but he was 206 on the nose for the bowl game. He plans to be 208 for the combines. He said, ‘I was never 194, I don’t know why they listed me at that.’”
Still, my point remains that he clearly saw his weight as a red flag, and he had over a month to come in at the 208 weight he told someone he would.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
That's five ten and 7/8s. Looks like I've been off by an 8th of an inch. He's pretty much the same size as Tomlinson at the same age. Perfect for a full-time feature performer. Way ahead of Barber and Portis at the same age. Some of you guys are silly on this...
I don't think all this weight changing is healthy for a person.Maybe it is, Strahan sure did no problem but generally it seems like a health prob waiting to happen.
Why does it matter that much?
He's the #1, he shouldn't mess with it IMO.
If some team doesn't draft him because he's 190? Cool he gets to go to a team with a better record. If 3 pass, cool he gets to play with Curtis martin. I don't see what this guy gains by this.
If a qualified NFL trainer or doctor evaluates him, runs test, draws blood whatever and decides he should eat more and weigh this much...that's a whole 'nother story. This is no 350 pound lineman that should weigh 330.
I don't understand why Reggie is botherring
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
He was just over 200 last summer going into camp. He weighed just over 200 at the Rose Bowl after a long season. He's still just over 200. He isn't messing with it. He isn't bothering. Pundits and blowhards are yammering on and on about nothing...
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Speaking of 40's, what's the over/under...4.40? If I recall last year Brown and Williams both ran legit low 4.4's, like 4.44 consistently AND Brown ran a high 4.3. Maybe 4.38 or something? I am not going to go look up exactly, but getting down to business, what do we expect from Bush? Does "checking the box" with a 4.44 cut it or are people expecting even more for him to stay at #1?
My personal take is that if you're a 4.44 type guy, the only guys on the field (defensively) with a chance to be faster are the CBs, I think you have demostrated that you're plenty fast to hit the homerun.
My personal take is that if you're a 4.44 type guy, the only guys on the field (defensively) with a chance to be faster are the CBs, I think you have demostrated that you're plenty fast to hit the homerun.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I think 4.35 - 4.38 is realistic for Reggie.Speaking of 40's, what's the over/under...4.40? If I recall last year Brown and Williams both ran legit low 4.4's, like 4.44 consistently AND Brown ran a high 4.3. Maybe 4.38 or something? I am not going to go look up exactly, but getting down to business, what do we expect from Bush? Does "checking the box" with a 4.44 cut it or are people expecting even more for him to stay at #1?
My personal take is that if you're a 4.44 type guy, the only guys on the field (defensively) with a chance to be faster are the CBs, I think you have demostrated that you're plenty fast to hit the homerun.
I hope he is that fast. That would be incredible. You are flirting with what are generally some of the fastest 40 times. A 4.35 is like Duanta Robinson speed...wheels. If he opens up with two sub 4.40 40's. It's over. He'll have a Tiger Wood's type Nike deal the next day.I think 4.35 - 4.38 is realistic for Reggie.Speaking of 40's, what's the over/under...4.40? If I recall last year Brown and Williams both ran legit low 4.4's, like 4.44 consistently AND Brown ran a high 4.3. Maybe 4.38 or something? I am not going to go look up exactly, but getting down to business, what do we expect from Bush? Does "checking the box" with a 4.44 cut it or are people expecting even more for him to stay at #1?
My personal take is that if you're a 4.44 type guy, the only guys on the field (defensively) with a chance to be faster are the CBs, I think you have demostrated that you're plenty fast to hit the homerun.
Dave Baker
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All I know and really care about is how fast Bush plays.
Some say watching Bush run in person is different than even on TV.
For some reason, some guys run very fast 40s but don't play anywhere near as fast.
Bush? I think he'll have a great time. But I'm not too worried about it if I were an owner.
Some say watching Bush run in person is different than even on TV.
For some reason, some guys run very fast 40s but don't play anywhere near as fast.
Bush? I think he'll have a great time. But I'm not too worried about it if I were an owner.
Nihilist Pig
Footballguy
Millions and millions of dollars.
I think there is one key thing that many people are overlooking here. Part of what makes Reggie Bush the dynamic player he is has to do with the 185-195 weight he plays with.
Unless you've ever actually tried gaining weight for athletic purposes as an adult (not when you're a high school kid), it's tough to understand how it impacts your performance. It's not like Reggie could bulk up to 215-220 and be the same player he was at 185-195.
I'm a fairly athletic guy who has been a dedicated weight lifter and runner (~15-20 miles a week) for the past 4-5 years. I'm not tall (5'8"), but at 157-160, I have enough meat on my bones to not look "skinny". Recently, I decided that I wanted to get a little bit bulkier than what I am now. My goal was to get my weight up around 170-173, without taking my body fat percentage above 12%. I'm currently at 10%. Over a six week period, I forced myself to eat 3,500 calories a day, five days a week (workout days) and get in a lot more protein and amino acids than regularly. Also, I substituted sprints 2 times a week for 10 miles. Putting on the weight wasn't too difficult; turning it into muscle was a bit harder. I know I'm babbling on here, but the bottom line was that when I added 13 pounds (mostly muscle), my athleticism changed. I can still run distance, but I don't feel as light as I did before. My legs cramp up quicker and I had to adjust my breathing to compensate for the extra effort. Additionally, I've never timed myself, but I know that my short-burst exercise performance (sprints...) has also decreased a bit.
I honestly believe that is Reggie Bush gets his weight up to the "every-down" back optimum, he would lose at least some of the speed/quickness/agility that makes his the game breaker he showed to be in college. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the way he was used and the offensive system, but the one example we have Clinton Portis, seems to have lost a little of his big play ability when he bulked up. Nothing wrong with that, if his goal is to be a 350+ carry back that will average 4-4.5 yards a carry. However, when he was lighter and carrying the ball 250-275 times a year, he was averaging 5.5 yards a carry and nearly double the number of 20+ yard runs.
Unless you've ever actually tried gaining weight for athletic purposes as an adult (not when you're a high school kid), it's tough to understand how it impacts your performance. It's not like Reggie could bulk up to 215-220 and be the same player he was at 185-195.
I'm a fairly athletic guy who has been a dedicated weight lifter and runner (~15-20 miles a week) for the past 4-5 years. I'm not tall (5'8"), but at 157-160, I have enough meat on my bones to not look "skinny". Recently, I decided that I wanted to get a little bit bulkier than what I am now. My goal was to get my weight up around 170-173, without taking my body fat percentage above 12%. I'm currently at 10%. Over a six week period, I forced myself to eat 3,500 calories a day, five days a week (workout days) and get in a lot more protein and amino acids than regularly. Also, I substituted sprints 2 times a week for 10 miles. Putting on the weight wasn't too difficult; turning it into muscle was a bit harder. I know I'm babbling on here, but the bottom line was that when I added 13 pounds (mostly muscle), my athleticism changed. I can still run distance, but I don't feel as light as I did before. My legs cramp up quicker and I had to adjust my breathing to compensate for the extra effort. Additionally, I've never timed myself, but I know that my short-burst exercise performance (sprints...) has also decreased a bit.
I honestly believe that is Reggie Bush gets his weight up to the "every-down" back optimum, he would lose at least some of the speed/quickness/agility that makes his the game breaker he showed to be in college. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the way he was used and the offensive system, but the one example we have Clinton Portis, seems to have lost a little of his big play ability when he bulked up. Nothing wrong with that, if his goal is to be a 350+ carry back that will average 4-4.5 yards a carry. However, when he was lighter and carrying the ball 250-275 times a year, he was averaging 5.5 yards a carry and nearly double the number of 20+ yard runs.
