Reggie Bush (1 Viewer)

[jafo]

BABY MATRIX!

 

[dawgtrails]

We know Marshall Faulk is a hall of famer...we know he is great. Y'all seriously missed the jest of the post. The poster was comparing Bush to Faulk, and he said "And I consider Marshall a HOFer". No *&^%

Not everyone considers Marshall a HOFer.

You serious? If Marshall isn't a HOFer then I dont know who is.3 time offensive player of the year. MVP one year.4 consecutive 2000+ yd seasons.Only one of 6 players to have 100+ rushing TDs#16 in all time receptions, #2 for RBs#9 in rushing yardsThe list goes onThe man is a NO DOUBT first ballot hall of famer. Anyone who says differently has no freakin clue!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The man is a NO DOUBT first ballot hall of famer. Anyone who says differently has no freakin clue!

Okay. Settle down and take your Xanax. I AGREE with you.Back on topic. I think Bush has the potential to be better than Marshall (who as we all know is a first ballot HOFer.)

 

[Lauryn]

We know Marshall Faulk is a hall of famer...we know he is great. Y'all seriously missed the jest of the post. The poster was comparing Bush to Faulk, and he said "And I consider Marshall a HOFer". No *&^%

Not everyone considers Marshall a HOFer.

then they deserve a good slap

 

[boubucarow]

One play in particular displayed how much attention is being payed to Bush. He was lined out wide and Horn was in the slot. The Falcons appeared to be playing a cover 2 with the linebackers and corners all zoning in that 5-10 yard range. Bush took one step and stopped as if for a quick throw. Both the cornerback and linebacker on that side reacted to this and ran to Bush. Horn ran a slant in the vacated hole for about 15 yards and a first down. Horn was running at the linebacker when the backer left for Bush. There were a few more similar occasions but that one was so obvious and the announcing crew missed it completely.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So much better than when?2006: 344 yards a game, 25 points a game2004: 325 yards a game, 22 points a game2003: 340 yards a game, 25 points a gameI didn't count 2005 because they were a Nomad team and lost Deuce.

I won't deny that the new coach, QB, etc are having an effect on the offense as well and am in no way saying it's all Bush, but I will say that this is an entirely too simplistic way of looking at this. Comparing the Saints previous offense which was great at padding their stats in garbage time and could always be counted on to turn the ball over when it mattered most to this year's ball control offense that has been borderline dominant so far is foolish at best, ridiculous at worst.Also, it was nice of you to just leave out all of '05 because Deuce was hurt rather than just including the games he played in

I don't agree, I've watched 2 of their games (last night and vs. Cleveland) and Duece has impressed me more than Bush has from what I've seen.

Wow...seriously? I could not disagree more. Deuce has looked nothing, NOTHING like the Deuce of old so far despite his impressive statlines. His statline consisted of running through gaping holes, several times opened up by Reggie Bush decoys (anyone else see that LB fly to Bush on the fake reverse letting Deuce walk for 20 yards before anyone got close?) and going down as soon as a defender got close. Anyone got Deuce's YAC numbers from last night? Was it greater than zero? He would lower his shoulder and push off with his knee which lead him straight to the ground. At this point in time the Saints O-line is supremely underrated...the push they were getting tonight on every run play was ridiculous.

 

[Hue G]

So much better than when?2006: 344 yards a game, 25 points a game2004: 325 yards a game, 22 points a game2003: 340 yards a game, 25 points a gameI didn't count 2005 because they were a Nomad team and lost Deuce.

I won't deny that the new coach, QB, etc are having an effect on the offense as well and am in no way saying it's all Bush, but I will say that this is an entirely too simplistic way of looking at this. Comparing the Saints previous offense which was great at padding their stats in garbage time and could always be counted on to turn the ball over when it mattered most to this year's ball control offense that has been borderline dominant so far is foolish at best, ridiculous at worst.Also, it was nice of you to just leave out all of '05 because Deuce was hurt rather than just including the games he played in

I don't agree, I've watched 2 of their games (last night and vs. Cleveland) and Duece has impressed me more than Bush has from what I've seen.

Wow...seriously? I could not disagree more. Deuce has looked nothing, NOTHING like the Deuce of old so far despite his impressive statlines. His statline consisted of running through gaping holes, several times opened up by Reggie Bush decoys (anyone else see that LB fly to Bush on the fake reverse letting Deuce walk for 20 yards before anyone got close?) and going down as soon as a defender got close. Anyone got Deuce's YAC numbers from last night? Was it greater than zero? He would lower his shoulder and push off with his knee which lead him straight to the ground. At this point in time the Saints O-line is supremely underrated...the push they were getting tonight on every run play was ridiculous.

Last night Duece = 4.26 YPCBush = 4.07SeasonDuece = 4.1Bush = 3.6But it's probably just because of Bush being a decoy

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jamaal Brown looks to be making a pretty successful transition to LT from RT too.

From what little I could tell anyway.

 

[icehouse]

So much better than when?2006: 344 yards a game, 25 points a game2004: 325 yards a game, 22 points a game2003: 340 yards a game, 25 points a gameI didn't count 2005 because they were a Nomad team and lost Deuce.

I won't deny that the new coach, QB, etc are having an effect on the offense as well and am in no way saying it's all Bush, but I will say that this is an entirely too simplistic way of looking at this. Comparing the Saints previous offense which was great at padding their stats in garbage time and could always be counted on to turn the ball over when it mattered most to this year's ball control offense that has been borderline dominant so far is foolish at best, ridiculous at worst.Also, it was nice of you to just leave out all of '05 because Deuce was hurt rather than just including the games he played in

I don't agree, I've watched 2 of their games (last night and vs. Cleveland) and Duece has impressed me more than Bush has from what I've seen.

Wow...seriously? I could not disagree more. Deuce has looked nothing, NOTHING like the Deuce of old so far despite his impressive statlines. His statline consisted of running through gaping holes, several times opened up by Reggie Bush decoys (anyone else see that LB fly to Bush on the fake reverse letting Deuce walk for 20 yards before anyone got close?) and going down as soon as a defender got close. Anyone got Deuce's YAC numbers from last night? Was it greater than zero? He would lower his shoulder and push off with his knee which lead him straight to the ground. At this point in time the Saints O-line is supremely underrated...the push they were getting tonight on every run play was ridiculous.

Last night Duece = 4.26 YPCBush = 4.07SeasonDuece = 4.1Bush = 3.6But it's probably just because of Bush being a decoy

Yes, Bush sure was a decoy when he was on the pine and Deuce was still moving the chains. Deuce isn't the Deuce of old but please don't try to give Bush credit for his effective running. He ran well when Bush was on the sidelines. If ya wanna give the O-line props then go ahead (just remember to credit them as well for Bush's production).I left all fo 2005 out because it was a nomad type season where much wasn't to be expected from the team. Do you not agree?FYI, the previous offense had a more turnover prone QB. Brees > Brooks. I'm glad you noticed this years offense has some ball control to it, especially since Deuce is the main one toting the rock.I'm not saying Bush hasn't contributed..but it's not ALL on him.

 

[mo542]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

 

[dawgtrails]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

1. The team he plays for is 3-02. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

The attention is warranted

 

[BGP]

All I know is "Jesus in Cleats" has gone 3 games and hasn't scored yet. He's so overhyped it's pathetic. Not saying he's not good now or that he won't be later. Look at the numbers though. Several other rookie running backs are outproducing him.BTW, it's DEVERY Henderson. You might remember him from the "Blue Grass Miracle".

Saints are 3-0, and a good reason is Bush's impact on the offense. His Fantasy Numbers arent through the roof, but that double reverse dosent work last night if you dont have Bush. His impact on the game dosent show up on the stat sheet, but it does in the Win column.

I think the problem some people have is how the media goes crazy about this guy. Plus, he landed major splash ad deals with Pepsi and many other companies before even playing a down in the NFL. And this rookie, who is getting all this adoration, who apparently is made out to be the best rookie to ever play the game, what is his role to justify this? You're telling people that what justifies this is that he is a glorified DECOY?Wether or not Reggie Bush reaches the potential that experts think he has, telling people how great of a decoy he is to justify the adoration is probably not going to work.

 

[JuniorNB]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

1. The team he plays for is 3-02. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

The attention is warranted

If you're going to list his accomplishments, let's also list the fact that he is 30th in the NFL in rushing. And of the 29 players with more yards, only five of them have a worse yards per carry than Bush.Also, Eric Crouch was a Heisman winner. Let's keep that in context.

If Bush had come out in the years prior to ESPN, or more importantly, the years before ESPN was battling NFL Network for every fluff piece out there, Bush would just be another small, quick back trying to make the leap to the NFL.

 

[icehouse]

1. The team he plays for is 3-0

He has contributed to the 3-0 start, along with their new QB, WR and Deuce.

2. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

That would have happened regardless. The league is trying to keep the team in the city (for the short term anyway).

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

So is Ron Dayne.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

Mario Williams has sucked butt so far but it seems like the mistake was on not taking Brick or someone, not with Bush. Bush wouldn't stop Brunell from setting NFL records on us.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

What about his rushing?

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

What about his rushing?

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

So is Mike Vick.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

That would have happened regardless. The league is trying to keep the team in the city (for the short term anyway).

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

Very true. I don't expect that to last though (too costly to have so much $$ tied into the same position).

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

Probably, due to the hype.

The attention is warranted

Not going by your list.

Bush is nice, but his impact so far doesn't warrant all the hype he is getting. Again, the NEXT GREAT RB'S claim to NFL fame shouldn't be "I'm a great decoy and receiver out of he backfield".

 

[dawgtrails]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

1. The team he plays for is 3-02. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

The attention is warranted

If you're going to list his accomplishments, let's also list the fact that he is 30th in the NFL in rushing. And of the 29 players with more yards, only five of them have a worse yards per carry than Bush.Also, Eric Crouch was a Heisman winner. Let's keep that in context.

If Bush had come out in the years prior to ESPN, or more importantly, the years before ESPN was battling NFL Network for every fluff piece out there, Bush would just be another small, quick back trying to make the leap to the NFL.

The poster said that the attention he was getting is unwarranted. I listed reasons why I felt it was warranted. Eric Crouch was a third round pick, terrible example, unless you can list a category that Crouch led the NFL in after week 3. Didnt think so.

Listen, Bush has a pedestrian yards per carry. We get that point. But you can't keep glossing over the receiving stats. He has already made "the leap" to the NFL. And for you to not recognize that makes you sound like a bitter Texan fan.

 

[dawgtrails]

Not going by your list.

Bush is nice, but his impact so far doesn't warrant all the hype he is getting. Again, the NEXT GREAT RB'S claim to NFL fame shouldn't be "I'm a great decoy and receiver out of he backfield".

I really don't get the Bush hate. Yes, i can understand the overhyping aspect. Do you think the NFL and all its sponsors should just ignore the Heisman Trophy winner, who many, many experts have said has the tools to become one of the great backs in the NFL?

I tell you what...if Reggie Bush continues with his current pedestrian pace of rushing, and his excellent receiving...he will post over 100 catches and over 1400 yards from scrimmage. That would historically put him in tthe top 20 offensive players, and his 100 plus catches would put him, well put him in unchartered territory...not to mention him being a rookie.

Stop thinking in fantasy football terms (unless you are in a ppr league). He is a special talent, special talent deserves coverage.

 

[JuniorNB]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

1. The team he plays for is 3-02. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

The attention is warranted

If you're going to list his accomplishments, let's also list the fact that he is 30th in the NFL in rushing. And of the 29 players with more yards, only five of them have a worse yards per carry than Bush.Also, Eric Crouch was a Heisman winner. Let's keep that in context.

If Bush had come out in the years prior to ESPN, or more importantly, the years before ESPN was battling NFL Network for every fluff piece out there, Bush would just be another small, quick back trying to make the leap to the NFL.

The poster said that the attention he was getting is unwarranted. I listed reasons why I felt it was warranted. Eric Crouch was a third round pick, terrible example, unless you can list a category that Crouch led the NFL in after week 3. Didnt think so.

Listen, Bush has a pedestrian yards per carry. We get that point. But you can't keep glossing over the receiving stats. He has already made "the leap" to the NFL. And for you to not recognize that makes you sound like a bitter Texan fan.

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

 

[dawgtrails]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

1. The team he plays for is 3-02. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

The attention is warranted

If you're going to list his accomplishments, let's also list the fact that he is 30th in the NFL in rushing. And of the 29 players with more yards, only five of them have a worse yards per carry than Bush.Also, Eric Crouch was a Heisman winner. Let's keep that in context.

If Bush had come out in the years prior to ESPN, or more importantly, the years before ESPN was battling NFL Network for every fluff piece out there, Bush would just be another small, quick back trying to make the leap to the NFL.

The poster said that the attention he was getting is unwarranted. I listed reasons why I felt it was warranted. Eric Crouch was a third round pick, terrible example, unless you can list a category that Crouch led the NFL in after week 3. Didnt think so.

Listen, Bush has a pedestrian yards per carry. We get that point. But you can't keep glossing over the receiving stats. He has already made "the leap" to the NFL. And for you to not recognize that makes you sound like a bitter Texan fan.

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

Apparently you missed the part where he is second in receiving yards for RBS. Or does that matter either because he hasn't scored a TD?What do all the following have in common?

LJ, Jax, Tiki, McGahee, T Bell, Dunn, T Jones, Bush

None of them have a TD. And you know what? It is OK. They are still good running backs.

 

[JuniorNB]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

1. The team he plays for is 3-02. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

The attention is warranted

If you're going to list his accomplishments, let's also list the fact that he is 30th in the NFL in rushing. And of the 29 players with more yards, only five of them have a worse yards per carry than Bush.Also, Eric Crouch was a Heisman winner. Let's keep that in context.

If Bush had come out in the years prior to ESPN, or more importantly, the years before ESPN was battling NFL Network for every fluff piece out there, Bush would just be another small, quick back trying to make the leap to the NFL.

The poster said that the attention he was getting is unwarranted. I listed reasons why I felt it was warranted. Eric Crouch was a third round pick, terrible example, unless you can list a category that Crouch led the NFL in after week 3. Didnt think so.

Listen, Bush has a pedestrian yards per carry. We get that point. But you can't keep glossing over the receiving stats. He has already made "the leap" to the NFL. And for you to not recognize that makes you sound like a bitter Texan fan.

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

Apparently you missed the part where he is second in receiving yards for RBS. Or does that matter either because he hasn't scored a TD?What do all the following have in common?

LJ, Jax, Tiki, McGahee, T Bell, Dunn, T Jones, Bush

None of them have a TD. And you know what? It is OK. They are still good running backs.

I know. You're missing my point.I've never said that Bush isn't a good running back. The thread asked if anyone is tired of hearing about him yet.

He's a rookie who has yet to live up to his "next Gale sayers" tag. He's a good back, but not a great one.

I'm also tired of hearing about Paris Hilton. In my opinion, when someone does something fantastic, I love hearing about it, but I don't need twenty commercials and six ESPN feature stories on a guy who had a great college career. Let's wait until he's done something special at this level before we shove him up the public's behinds.

 

[switz]

Saints are 3-0, and a good reason is Bush's impact on the offense. His Fantasy Numbers arent through the roof, but that double reverse dosent work last night if you dont have Bush. His impact on the game dosent show up on the stat sheet, but it does in the Win column.

UGH.... stupid people who listen to stupid commentators...it was a reverse, NOT a double reverse...

In order for it to be a double reverse, a player has to take the ball in one direction, hand it off to a player going in the opposite direction... WHO THEN HANDS OFF AGAIN TO A PLAYER GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE FIRST PLAYER WHO TOOK THE HAND OFF

End around

Reverse

Double Reverse

get them right...

and they call this the "Shark Pool"

 

[Miscellaneous]

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?

I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

This is just reaching. Anybody who watches the games knows that maybe 50% of his receiving action is 'out of the backfield'. This is a guy whose talent and mastery of the NFL game three games into his career warrants being lined up as a wideout, in the slot, and all over the backfield. We're not talking about a back who needs to be used a lot as a dump-off, we're talking about a guy who can, very easily, be compared to the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time.I'll agree Reggie is approaching Tiger Woods-level coverage ('Furyk is leading the pack into Sunday at -12, Tiger is currently sitting at +1'), and that ESPN should tone it down a lot. But you can't say the guy hasn't already adapted quite a bit to the NFL game, and there is one statement that is very, very true:

Every NFL team that plays against the Saints is putting 'Stop Reggie Bush' very, very high on their List of Things To Do.

It's obvious that the coaches and the players on the opposing teams have nothing but the utmost respect for his speed, flexibility, and overall athletic ability with the ball. He has a significant influence (moreso than any other offensive player on the Saints) on what the defense is doing while he's on the field. I would say, in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

But yes, I own him in a dynasty league, and I'm sick of hearing about him.

 

[switz]

Last night Duece = 4.26 YPCBush = 4.07SeasonDuece = 4.1Bush = 3.6But it's probably just because of Bush being a decoy

This is like the game of comparing the YPC of the 3rd down back who gets draws in obvious pass situations, and the YPC of the 1st, 2nd, GL, and 4th&1 runner...Not all stats paint an accurate picture.

 

[switz]

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

Best statement in this thread.However, the fact that he gets SO MUCH attention FROM THE DEFENSE speaks loads about Bush's talent.

 

[JuniorNB]

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?

I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

This is just reaching. Anybody who watches the games knows that maybe 50% of his receiving action is 'out of the backfield'. This is a guy whose talent and mastery of the NFL game three games into his career warrants being lined up as a wideout, in the slot, and all over the backfield. We're not talking about a back who needs to be used a lot as a dump-off, we're talking about a guy who can, very easily, be compared to the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time.I'll agree Reggie is approaching Tiger Woods-level coverage ('Furyk is leading the pack into Sunday at -12, Tiger is currently sitting at +1'), and that ESPN should tone it down a lot. But you can't say the guy hasn't already adapted quite a bit to the NFL game, and there is one statement that is very, very true:

Every NFL team that plays against the Saints is putting 'Stop Reggie Bush' very, very high on their List of Things To Do.

It's obvious that the coaches and the players on the opposing teams have nothing but the utmost respect for his speed, flexibility, and overall athletic ability with the ball. He has a significant influence (moreso than any other offensive player on the Saints) on what the defense is doing while he's on the field. I would say, in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

But yes, I own him in a dynasty league, and I'm sick of hearing about him.

Other than a few outlandish fishing attempts, I agree with your post.

 

[Tom Baker]

Colston's 28-yard reception in the first quarter didn't even get a replay, and I have yet to see his 29-yard reception to open the second half because I left the room for five seconds. Wonder how many times I would've seen those plays if Bush had been on the receiving end . . .

 

[switz]

We know Marshall Faulk is a hall of famer...we know he is great. Y'all seriously missed the jest of the post. The poster was comparing Bush to Faulk, and he said "And I consider Marshall a HOFer". No *&^%

Not everyone considers Marshall a HOFer.

Then they are idiots

 

[JuniorNB]

Colston's 28-yard reception in the first quarter didn't even get a replay, and I have yet to see his 29-yard reception to open the second half because I left the room for five seconds. Wonder how many times I would've seen those plays if Bush had been on the receiving end . . .

It would be on a video-loop as you enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame. (Hell, they might even play it at the Baseball Hall of Fame)

 

[icehouse]

Colston's 28-yard reception in the first quarter didn't even get a replay, and I have yet to see his 29-yard reception to open the second half because I left the room for five seconds. Wonder how many times I would've seen those plays if Bush had been on the receiving end . . .

No telling, considering that ESPN spent 5 minutes talking about how he made one cut (on like a 9 yarder)after the Cowboys pre-season game.

 

[icehouse]

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?

I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

This is just reaching. Anybody who watches the games knows that maybe 50% of his receiving action is 'out of the backfield'. This is a guy whose talent and mastery of the NFL game three games into his career warrants being lined up as a wideout, in the slot, and all over the backfield. We're not talking about a back who needs to be used a lot as a dump-off, we're talking about a guy who can, very easily, be compared to the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time.I'll agree Reggie is approaching Tiger Woods-level coverage ('Furyk is leading the pack into Sunday at -12, Tiger is currently sitting at +1'), and that ESPN should tone it down a lot. But you can't say the guy hasn't already adapted quite a bit to the NFL game, and there is one statement that is very, very true:

Every NFL team that plays against the Saints is putting 'Stop Reggie Bush' very, very high on their List of Things To Do.

It's obvious that the coaches and the players on the opposing teams have nothing but the utmost respect for his speed, flexibility, and overall athletic ability with the ball. He has a significant influence (moreso than any other offensive player on the Saints) on what the defense is doing while he's on the field. I would say, in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

But yes, I own him in a dynasty league, and I'm sick of hearing about him.

Where is the mastery of the NFL game running the ball? I would think that would be the most important thing for a RB to have.How do his receiving numbers so far compare to the best receivers EVER out of the backfield? That is a pretty bold statement to make...so I would like to see some support for it. Considering that you just said he could very well easily be compared to the greatest receivers out of the backfield after 3 games, and solid numbers (unless you consider 80 yards receiving for a back great), I think you are also highlighting the point of the original poster....OVERRATED. Solid yes...great though?

And to thank this is the same board that routinely calls dudes overrated when the HOF list is announced every year. Yet Bush is great after 3 games and decent numbers.

 

[dawgtrails]

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?

I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

This is just reaching. Anybody who watches the games knows that maybe 50% of his receiving action is 'out of the backfield'. This is a guy whose talent and mastery of the NFL game three games into his career warrants being lined up as a wideout, in the slot, and all over the backfield. We're not talking about a back who needs to be used a lot as a dump-off, we're talking about a guy who can, very easily, be compared to the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time.I'll agree Reggie is approaching Tiger Woods-level coverage ('Furyk is leading the pack into Sunday at -12, Tiger is currently sitting at +1'), and that ESPN should tone it down a lot. But you can't say the guy hasn't already adapted quite a bit to the NFL game, and there is one statement that is very, very true:

Every NFL team that plays against the Saints is putting 'Stop Reggie Bush' very, very high on their List of Things To Do.

It's obvious that the coaches and the players on the opposing teams have nothing but the utmost respect for his speed, flexibility, and overall athletic ability with the ball. He has a significant influence (moreso than any other offensive player on the Saints) on what the defense is doing while he's on the field. I would say, in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

But yes, I own him in a dynasty league, and I'm sick of hearing about him.

Where is the mastery of the NFL game running the ball? I would think that would be the most important thing for a RB to have.How do his receiving numbers so far compare to the best receivers EVER out of the backfield? That is a pretty bold statement to make...so I would like to see some support for it. Considering that you just said he could very well easily be compared to the greatest receivers out of the backfield after 3 games, and solid numbers (unless you consider 80 yards receiving for a back great), I think you are also highlighting the point of the original poster....OVERRATED. Solid yes...great though?

And to thank this is the same board that routinely calls dudes overrated when the HOF list is announced every year. Yet Bush is great after 3 games and decent numbers.

His numbers RECEIVING are anything but decent. They are fantastic.I guess you would consider being the top rated receiving RB so far nothing special. Many would disagree.

Listen, we know he is overhyped. So wasn't Vick, so wasn't Peyton Maning. Sometimes the hype is just that. Many times it is there for a reason.

 

[bb7278]

All I know is "Jesus in Cleats" has gone 3 games and hasn't scored yet. He's so overhyped it's pathetic. Not saying he's not good now or that he won't be later. Look at the numbers though. Several other rookie running backs are outproducing him.BTW, it's DEVERY Henderson. You might remember him from the "Blue Grass Miracle".

I prefer "Mohammed in cleats" ty

 

[Hue G]

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?

I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

This is just reaching. Anybody who watches the games knows that maybe 50% of his receiving action is 'out of the backfield'. This is a guy whose talent and mastery of the NFL game three games into his career warrants being lined up as a wideout, in the slot, and all over the backfield. We're not talking about a back who needs to be used a lot as a dump-off, we're talking about a guy who can, very easily, be compared to the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time.I'll agree Reggie is approaching Tiger Woods-level coverage ('Furyk is leading the pack into Sunday at -12, Tiger is currently sitting at +1'), and that ESPN should tone it down a lot. But you can't say the guy hasn't already adapted quite a bit to the NFL game, and there is one statement that is very, very true:

Every NFL team that plays against the Saints is putting 'Stop Reggie Bush' very, very high on their List of Things To Do.

It's obvious that the coaches and the players on the opposing teams have nothing but the utmost respect for his speed, flexibility, and overall athletic ability with the ball. He has a significant influence (moreso than any other offensive player on the Saints) on what the defense is doing while he's on the field. I would say, in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

But yes, I own him in a dynasty league, and I'm sick of hearing about him.

Where is the mastery of the NFL game running the ball? I would think that would be the most important thing for a RB to have.How do his receiving numbers so far compare to the best receivers EVER out of the backfield? That is a pretty bold statement to make...so I would like to see some support for it. Considering that you just said he could very well easily be compared to the greatest receivers out of the backfield after 3 games, and solid numbers (unless you consider 80 yards receiving for a back great), I think you are also highlighting the point of the original poster....OVERRATED. Solid yes...great though?

And to thank this is the same board that routinely calls dudes overrated when the HOF list is announced every year. Yet Bush is great after 3 games and decent numbers.

His numbers RECEIVING are anything but decent. They are fantastic.I guess you would consider being the top rated receiving RB so far nothing special. Many would disagree.

Listen, we know he is overhyped. So wasn't Vick, so wasn't Peyton Maning. Sometimes the hype is just that. Many times it is there for a reason.

They'd be a lot more fantastic if they were matched with good rushing numbers

 

[bb7278]

Cripes, he's only played three games. Give him a break.Once he learns that he can't JUST outrun everyone in the NFL, he'll take advantage of his superior agility to find lanes ordinary backs can't.I see a better Marshall Faulk. And I consider Marshall a HOFer.

You consider Marshall Faulk a hall of famer? You mean the guy who only averaged over 1700 yds a year, and 9 TDs a year? He's a hall of famer?

His stretch from '97 to '03 makes him HOF worthy. No question about it.And if you want to talk about averages, please throw out the last two years. Plus, I'm guessing that 9 td average is only his rushing TDs and doesn't account for his receiving ones.

you missed the sarcasm i guess

I like Marshall's Smile on NFL Network it rings "YEAH I'M THE MAN!"

 

[dawgtrails]

Catching the ball out of the backfield, in and of itself, is not a great accomplishemnt. It means that Brees has thrown a lot of little swing passes to him in hopes that he can break a long one. Were any of them great catches or catches that resulted in a score?

I know that the reason that the saints are trying to throw him little swing passes is because he's a home run threat and they're trying to get him the ball in open space, but bragging about the number of receptions he has is like bragging about a running back's carries.

This is just reaching. Anybody who watches the games knows that maybe 50% of his receiving action is 'out of the backfield'. This is a guy whose talent and mastery of the NFL game three games into his career warrants being lined up as a wideout, in the slot, and all over the backfield. We're not talking about a back who needs to be used a lot as a dump-off, we're talking about a guy who can, very easily, be compared to the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time.I'll agree Reggie is approaching Tiger Woods-level coverage ('Furyk is leading the pack into Sunday at -12, Tiger is currently sitting at +1'), and that ESPN should tone it down a lot. But you can't say the guy hasn't already adapted quite a bit to the NFL game, and there is one statement that is very, very true:

Every NFL team that plays against the Saints is putting 'Stop Reggie Bush' very, very high on their List of Things To Do.

It's obvious that the coaches and the players on the opposing teams have nothing but the utmost respect for his speed, flexibility, and overall athletic ability with the ball. He has a significant influence (moreso than any other offensive player on the Saints) on what the defense is doing while he's on the field. I would say, in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

But yes, I own him in a dynasty league, and I'm sick of hearing about him.

Where is the mastery of the NFL game running the ball? I would think that would be the most important thing for a RB to have.How do his receiving numbers so far compare to the best receivers EVER out of the backfield? That is a pretty bold statement to make...so I would like to see some support for it. Considering that you just said he could very well easily be compared to the greatest receivers out of the backfield after 3 games, and solid numbers (unless you consider 80 yards receiving for a back great), I think you are also highlighting the point of the original poster....OVERRATED. Solid yes...great though?

And to thank this is the same board that routinely calls dudes overrated when the HOF list is announced every year. Yet Bush is great after 3 games and decent numbers.

His numbers RECEIVING are anything but decent. They are fantastic.I guess you would consider being the top rated receiving RB so far nothing special. Many would disagree.

Listen, we know he is overhyped. So wasn't Vick, so wasn't Peyton Maning. Sometimes the hype is just that. Many times it is there for a reason.

They'd be a lot more fantastic if they were matched with good rushing numbers

Yes, of course. And they would be even better if he had a few touchdowns!Good god folks.

 

[Miscellaneous]

This is just reaching. Anybody who watches the games knows that maybe 50% of his receiving action is 'out of the backfield'. This is a guy whose talent and mastery of the NFL game three games into his career warrants being lined up as a wideout, in the slot, and all over the backfield. We're not talking about a back who needs to be used a lot as a dump-off, we're talking about a guy who can, very easily, be compared to the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time.

I'll agree Reggie is approaching Tiger Woods-level coverage ('Furyk is leading the pack into Sunday at -12, Tiger is currently sitting at +1'), and that ESPN should tone it down a lot. But you can't say the guy hasn't already adapted quite a bit to the NFL game, and there is one statement that is very, very true:

Every NFL team that plays against the Saints is putting 'Stop Reggie Bush' very, very high on their List of Things To Do.

It's obvious that the coaches and the players on the opposing teams have nothing but the utmost respect for his speed, flexibility, and overall athletic ability with the ball. He has a significant influence (moreso than any other offensive player on the Saints) on what the defense is doing while he's on the field. I would say, in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

But yes, I own him in a dynasty league, and I'm sick of hearing about him.

Where is the mastery of the NFL game running the ball? I would think that would be the most important thing for a RB to have.How do his receiving numbers so far compare to the best receivers EVER out of the backfield? That is a pretty bold statement to make...so I would like to see some support for it. Considering that you just said he could very well easily be compared to the greatest receivers out of the backfield after 3 games, and solid numbers (unless you consider 80 yards receiving for a back great), I think you are also highlighting the point of the original poster....OVERRATED. Solid yes...great though?

And to thank this is the same board that routinely calls dudes overrated when the HOF list is announced every year. Yet Bush is great after 3 games and decent numbers.

What? Did you read my post?1) In response to this:

I would think that would be the most important thing for a RB to have.

This is a difference between you and me, maybe. All I care about is Reggie Bush the weapon, not Reggie Bush the 'running back'. If he's Brian Westbrook on steroids in three years, awesome. I watch him run, and already he's working on his interior running. I saw a lot of 'three yards and a cloud of dust' plays run for him, considering he's in the backfield with Deuce McAllister, and people like you seem to believe that it's impossible for him to run between the tackles. Bottom line, the most important thing for Reggie Bush is to be able to play like Reggie Bush.

2) In response to this:

How do his receiving numbers so far compare to the best receivers EVER out of the backfield?

Have you watched him play? Did you watch Larry Centers, Thurman Thomas, Marshall Faulk, Brian Westbrook, and Ladainian Tomlinson play? I've watched all those players in regular-season NFL action, and I will say that he is among the best receiving targets out of the backfield ever. His receiving talent is on par with all of those guys - I don't care if he's got 5 catches for 30 yards, or 500 catches for 8,000 yards.I'm not sure about overrated. I completely agree with overhyped, overexposed, and overanalyzed. However, I think he's rated perfectly. He's rated as an electrifying rookie back who has the potential to be among the greats... you don't need statistics to rate like that. Maybe some people who drafted him in the first round of redrafts overrated him.

As to all the 'solid numbers' stuff, I re-read my post a bunch of times, and haven't seen the phrase 'solid numbers' anywhere.

Let me add on this post:

I should have chosen a better term than 'mastery of the NFL'. The term mastery for me did not denote that he had come out on top, but more that he is completely competent. In my opinion, he's a competent interior runner, and an exceptional outside runner and receiver. Since he is at least competent at each phase, I would say he's 'mastered' it... but obviously not to the same extent as some of you guys. I'm cool with that.

Additionally, I tried very hard to convey the proper meaning with this:

in terms of the defense's attention, he's already on par with any other back in the NFL - Tomlinson, Barber, Alexander, etc.

I guess I didn't. I simply meant that, when he's on the field, the defense watches him as much as anybody in the game.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So much better than when?2006: 344 yards a game, 25 points a game2004: 325 yards a game, 22 points a game2003: 340 yards a game, 25 points a gameI didn't count 2005 because they were a Nomad team and lost Deuce.

I won't deny that the new coach, QB, etc are having an effect on the offense as well and am in no way saying it's all Bush, but I will say that this is an entirely too simplistic way of looking at this. Comparing the Saints previous offense which was great at padding their stats in garbage time and could always be counted on to turn the ball over when it mattered most to this year's ball control offense that has been borderline dominant so far is foolish at best, ridiculous at worst.Also, it was nice of you to just leave out all of '05 because Deuce was hurt rather than just including the games he played in

I don't agree, I've watched 2 of their games (last night and vs. Cleveland) and Duece has impressed me more than Bush has from what I've seen.

Wow...seriously? I could not disagree more. Deuce has looked nothing, NOTHING like the Deuce of old so far despite his impressive statlines. His statline consisted of running through gaping holes, several times opened up by Reggie Bush decoys (anyone else see that LB fly to Bush on the fake reverse letting Deuce walk for 20 yards before anyone got close?) and going down as soon as a defender got close. Anyone got Deuce's YAC numbers from last night? Was it greater than zero? He would lower his shoulder and push off with his knee which lead him straight to the ground. At this point in time the Saints O-line is supremely underrated...the push they were getting tonight on every run play was ridiculous.

Last night Duece = 4.26 YPCBush = 4.07SeasonDuece = 4.1Bush = 3.6But it's probably just because of Bush being a decoy

You said Deuce looked better, what do numbers show about that? I'm sorry, but it is clear you just don't want to like Reggie Bush. No one in their right mind who watched Deuce last night actually thought he looked good. He went down immediately as soon as a defender got nearby despite being in the open field several times, nothing like the Deuce of old.And while I know you were being facetious with your last comment, did you actually watch the game? Did you see the play where they handed it off to Deuce and there was a defender right in his face ready to drop him for a loss, but that defender instead went gung-ho after Reggie Bush on the fake end-around and left Deuce 20 yards of completely open field. From reading your posts I'm starting to think you didn't even watch the game and instead are just looking at the statline afterwards.

 

[Preds]

I've watched the uber decoy play a few NFL games now, and have come away from each of them unimpressed.

 

[Hue G]

So much better than when?2006: 344 yards a game, 25 points a game2004: 325 yards a game, 22 points a game2003: 340 yards a game, 25 points a gameI didn't count 2005 because they were a Nomad team and lost Deuce.

I won't deny that the new coach, QB, etc are having an effect on the offense as well and am in no way saying it's all Bush, but I will say that this is an entirely too simplistic way of looking at this. Comparing the Saints previous offense which was great at padding their stats in garbage time and could always be counted on to turn the ball over when it mattered most to this year's ball control offense that has been borderline dominant so far is foolish at best, ridiculous at worst.Also, it was nice of you to just leave out all of '05 because Deuce was hurt rather than just including the games he played in

I don't agree, I've watched 2 of their games (last night and vs. Cleveland) and Duece has impressed me more than Bush has from what I've seen.

Wow...seriously? I could not disagree more. Deuce has looked nothing, NOTHING like the Deuce of old so far despite his impressive statlines. His statline consisted of running through gaping holes, several times opened up by Reggie Bush decoys (anyone else see that LB fly to Bush on the fake reverse letting Deuce walk for 20 yards before anyone got close?) and going down as soon as a defender got close. Anyone got Deuce's YAC numbers from last night? Was it greater than zero? He would lower his shoulder and push off with his knee which lead him straight to the ground. At this point in time the Saints O-line is supremely underrated...the push they were getting tonight on every run play was ridiculous.

Last night Duece = 4.26 YPCBush = 4.07SeasonDuece = 4.1Bush = 3.6But it's probably just because of Bush being a decoy

You said Deuce looked better, what do numbers show about that? I'm sorry, but it is clear you just don't want to like Reggie Bush. No one in their right mind who watched Deuce last night actually thought he looked good. He went down immediately as soon as a defender got nearby despite being in the open field several times, nothing like the Deuce of old.And while I know you were being facetious with your last comment, did you actually watch the game? Did you see the play where they handed it off to Deuce and there was a defender right in his face ready to drop him for a loss, but that defender instead went gung-ho after Reggie Bush on the fake end-around and left Deuce 20 yards of completely open field. From reading your posts I'm starting to think you didn't even watch the game and instead are just looking at the statline afterwards.

I watched that game and the Cleveland game, I'm not saying that Duece looked great by any means but as far as taking a handoff and running between the tackles he did look better than Bush.I did like Bush in college, he was dynamic and fun to watch but since the whole ordeal about him saying he's holding out for first round QB money before the draft even happened to the over publicizing (I know it's not his fault) I've just heard and seen way too much of him. Yes Reggie Bush is good but until he lives up to the amount of hype he gets it's going to be very tough to like him.

 

[Phurfur]

Is it just me or does everyone talk about Reggie Bush like he's the next coming of Christ? For example I was watching Sports Center last night and they were talking about how "Reggie Bush" made a big play they showed the clip and it was the play that he handed off to Darvey Henderson???Now obviously Bush is a great talent but he really is probably 2nd behind Maroney right now in terms of rookie production, yes people talk about Maroney and other rookies but people talk about Bush like he's going to be football's answer to Wayne Gretzky or Michael Jordan and I just don't see it??? He reminds me a lot more of Brian Westbrook than Barry Sanders or LT.Anyone else sick of hearing about him?

I'll get on that band wagon! I guess I need to see him walk on water before I anoint him. Show me the money Reggie!

 

[packersfan]

No one in their right mind who watched Deuce last night actually thought he looked good.

I didn't think he looked that bad. I thought he looked good; not great, but good. And I would say he looked better last night than he did against the Packers even if the results weren't as impressive from a production standpoint (i.e. 2 TDs vs. Green Bay and 0 last night).

 

[Monarch]

ESPN hypes real football players on real teams as they should. As a NFL rookie there is no other player in the league that NFL defenses have to scheme for. The falcons added an extra defensive back in the game every time Bush was in there. The linebackers followed him even when he did not have the ball. His impact as a football player is not insignificant and he will get better. This is why he gets the hype.

As a fantasy performer, he is performing at a level that can be expected considering he is and will share time. He is a good but not great fantasy producer. I have not seen the fantasy hype though. Only real football hype. I think he finishes where he was drafted. A solid RB2. There are plenty of RBs that get the ball full time that are not as good as him! Many were drafted in fantasy before him.

Overall great football player and a difference maker. Decent fantasy RB with upside.

Hype is warranted. Texans would love to have that pick back right now.

 

[mo542]

Bush was way over valued in redraft leagues. Anyone who drafted him in one of the first five rounds is probably suffering through a bad start.

How big of a league are you talkin'? In a larger (12-14) PPR league he's an awesome RB2.

I already said that he's probably pretty good in PPR leagues.The fact is, Bush is currently number 30 in NFL rushing. Do you know how many of the guys ahead of him have a worse average per carry? Five. That's it.

I don't want to bash Bush. I see plenty of future for him. He looks quick and he's not as fragile looking as I thought he was in college. If my league was a keeper league, I'd love to have him.

The thread asked who was tired of hearing about him. I would just like to see him actually do something instead of seeing all the headlines he's getting based on what he may become someday.

Brian Westbrook gets 170 yards and three touchdowns, and we hear more about the greatness of Bush's handoff on the reverse than we do about Westbrook's day.

Good point.As talented as Bush is he is not even as good as Westbrook yet, so let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

There are also a number of backs currently in the league that cause mismatches. In no particular order.

LT

LJ

Westbrook

Warwick Dunn

Edge

Alexander

Another point… There is more than one way to create problems for a defense than running your RB out wide; if a team has to move 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run it is going to cause match up problems on the outside.

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

1. The team he plays for is 3-02. New orleans on MNF a year after a tragic hurricane.

3. Heisman Trophy winner.

4. Controversy over Texans stupidly not drafting him with the first pick.

5. Leading the league in receptions for a RB with 20.

6. Second in receiving yards for RBS.

7. An amazingly gifted athlete.

8. Every home New Orleans game will be a big deal because of Katrina.

9. Seldom seen tandom backfield with 2 excellent runners.

10. Well, can't think of 10 right now...so, I'll go with...he will be ROY!

The attention is warranted

If you're going to list his accomplishments, let's also list the fact that he is 30th in the NFL in rushing. And of the 29 players with more yards, only five of them have a worse yards per carry than Bush.Also, Eric Crouch was a Heisman winner. Let's keep that in context.

If Bush had come out in the years prior to ESPN, or more importantly, the years before ESPN was battling NFL Network for every fluff piece out there, Bush would just be another small, quick back trying to make the leap to the NFL.

The poster said that the attention he was getting is unwarranted. I listed reasons why I felt it was warranted. Eric Crouch was a third round pick, terrible example, unless you can list a category that Crouch led the NFL in after week 3. Didnt think so.

Listen, Bush has a pedestrian yards per carry. We get that point. But you can't keep glossing over the receiving stats. He has already made "the leap" to the NFL. And for you to not recognize that makes you sound like a bitter Texan fan.

I think you missed my point. There are some very good running backs that are doing much better than Bush is and they are not getting nearly as much attention from the media. There was a run in the preseason where Stuart Scott said something to the effect “That is the sickest 9 yard run I’ve ever seen.” I mean when people are making statements like that; it’s getting a little ridiculous. I would also argue, that he was getting as much attention before he was even drafted by NO. It wouldn’t have mattered if the Texans took him or not, he would still be getting the same amount of attention.

 

[Hue G]

ESPN hypes real football players on real teams as they should. As a NFL rookie there is no other player in the league that NFL defenses have to scheme for. The falcons added an extra defensive back in the game every time Bush was in there. The linebackers followed him even when he did not have the ball. His impact as a football player is not insignificant and he will get better. This is why he gets the hype. As a fantasy performer, he is performing at a level that can be expected considering he is and will share time. He is a good but not great fantasy producer. I have not seen the fantasy hype though. Only real football hype. I think he finishes where he was drafted. A solid RB2. There are plenty of RBs that get the ball full time that are not as good as him! Many were drafted in fantasy before him. Overall great football player and a difference maker. Decent fantasy RB with upside.Hype is warranted. Texans would love to have that pick back right now.

He recieves more hype than LT ever did, that's not warranted, at least yet.

 

[mo542]

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

Best statement in this thread.However, the fact that he gets SO MUCH attention FROM THE DEFENSE speaks loads about Bush's talent.

Thanks.I would agree that teams are planning for him, which does speak to the fact that defense are scared of what he can do. I would add that the truly great backs find ways to produce big numbers despite of that. When he starts to do that, I’ll give him the billing of an elite back.

 

[switz]

He recieves more hype than LT ever did, that's not warranted, at least yet.

LT was incredibly underhyped as a rookie... especially on these here boards. Fitting that the next great RB be overhyped, maybe people are trying to make up for earlier errors

 

[switz]

I acknowledge his talent, but he has to produce too. The amount of attention he is getting at this point is unwarranted.

Best statement in this thread.However, the fact that he gets SO MUCH attention FROM THE DEFENSE speaks loads about Bush's talent.

Thanks.I would agree that teams are planning for him, which does speak to the fact that defense are scared of what he can do. I would add that the truly great backs find ways to produce big numbers despite of that. When he starts to do that, I’ll give him the billing of an elite back.

Agreed - I think it's only a matter of time. And I do think that NO misuses him a bit much for his stats to look all that spectacular. There is never misdirection when Bush gets the ball... they often run him right into the middle of the line in obvious running situations, kinda dumb. But he still SHOULD produce... sooner than later

 

[Tom Baker]

Oh, and have you heard-- he's singlehandedly rebuilding the city of New Orleans between practices. I know it's true because Sunshine Suzy said so . . .

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I remember saying on this board that the Saints/Texans better hope and pray that Bush turns into Westbrook, because thats all I see him being.

He better learn real fast that Mr. Sideline hasnt missed a tackle in the history of the game.