Reggie Wayne is criminally undervalued (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

I see no way he finishes outside top 20 with Andrew Luck, barring injury. He was near 1000 last season with very poor quarterback play. Not average, poor play. Luck is the best qb prospect since manning or even elway some say. Rookies sometimes lock onto a target. He is really the only true weapon in that offense. Sure defenses will scheme him, but that happened last year as well....with Curtis freaking Painter slinging it. Luck is not Ponder or Matt Ryan or even Bradford...he's generational. Wayne is old but he's dang near a HOF talent so even if he slips some, which he may or may not, he will still have enough juice to shine.

 

[need2know]

i like him too but some of the guys drafted around him have more upside. kinda depends on what your other WRs look like. but i dont doubt he will be at worst startable every week.

 

[Badgers Fan]

I'm in the same boat. Took him 7.2 in my 12 teamer. Very happy to have him as my wr3 in a ppr. I think he finishes top 20.

 

[David Yudkin]

I see no way he finishes outside top 20 with Andrew Luck, barring injury. He was near 1000 last season with very poor quarterback play. Not average, poor play. Luck is the best qb prospect since manning or even elway some say. Rookies sometimes lock onto a target. He is really the only true weapon in that offense. Sure defenses will scheme him, but that happened last year as well....with Curtis freaking Painter slinging it. Luck is not Ponder or Matt Ryan or even Bradford...he's generational. Wayne is old but he's dang near a HOF talent so even if he slips some, which he may or may not, he will still have enough juice to shine.

I agree that sometimes rookies lock onto a target . . . but from what I have been reading that target so far has been Collie. I think the reason Wayne is available at a discount is the uncertainty as to how a rookie will fare on an otherwise so so team. Most rookie QBs struggle to put up good numbers out of the gate, and I would guess that is what is dragging Wayne's projections down.

 

[golfguy]

wayne isnt going to stretch the field anymore, but i think he will be a nice play in ppr leagues.

i think that he will be sitting down in zones, etc and luck will be looking his way all day long. people are talking about collie? come on.

 

[Sabertooth]

i like him too but some of the guys drafted around him have more upside. kinda depends on what your other WRs look like. but i dont doubt he will be at worst startable every week.

Who has better upside? Who else being drafted around him has the potential for 100 catches? Because he sure as heck does.

 

[Sabertooth]

I see no way he finishes outside top 20 with Andrew Luck, barring injury. He was near 1000 last season with very poor quarterback play. Not average, poor play. Luck is the best qb prospect since manning or even elway some say. Rookies sometimes lock onto a target. He is really the only true weapon in that offense. Sure defenses will scheme him, but that happened last year as well....with Curtis freaking Painter slinging it. Luck is not Ponder or Matt Ryan or even Bradford...he's generational. Wayne is old but he's dang near a HOF talent so even if he slips some, which he may or may not, he will still have enough juice to shine.

I agree that sometimes rookies lock onto a target . . . but from what I have been reading that target so far has been Collie. I think the reason Wayne is available at a discount is the uncertainty as to how a rookie will fare on an otherwise so so team. Most rookie QBs struggle to put up good numbers out of the gate, and I would guess that is what is dragging Wayne's projections down.

Most rookies quarterbacks are not Andrew Luck. He's a higher rated passer by far than Cam Newton was. He's this year's Steve Smith. It isn't like we are talking about a good prospect in Luck. He's widely considered the best Quarterback prospect since...well ever perhaps. He's pro ready, ran a pro offense. He's not Andy Dalton here.

 

[Sabertooth]

wayne isnt going to stretch the field anymore, but i think he will be a nice play in ppr leagues.

i think that he will be sitting down in zones, etc and luck will be looking his way all day long. people are talking about collie? come on.

Have you watched Reggie Wayne play? Watch this. He isn't sitting in any zones.

 

[wadegarrett]

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[David Yudkin]

I see no way he finishes outside top 20 with Andrew Luck, barring injury. He was near 1000 last season with very poor quarterback play. Not average, poor play. Luck is the best qb prospect since manning or even elway some say. Rookies sometimes lock onto a target. He is really the only true weapon in that offense. Sure defenses will scheme him, but that happened last year as well....with Curtis freaking Painter slinging it. Luck is not Ponder or Matt Ryan or even Bradford...he's generational. Wayne is old but he's dang near a HOF talent so even if he slips some, which he may or may not, he will still have enough juice to shine.

I agree that sometimes rookies lock onto a target . . . but from what I have been reading that target so far has been Collie. I think the reason Wayne is available at a discount is the uncertainty as to how a rookie will fare on an otherwise so so team. Most rookie QBs struggle to put up good numbers out of the gate, and I would guess that is what is dragging Wayne's projections down.

Most rookies quarterbacks are not Andrew Luck. He's a higher rated passer by far than Cam Newton was. He's this year's Steve Smith. It isn't like we are talking about a good prospect in Luck. He's widely considered the best Quarterback prospect since...well ever perhaps. He's pro ready, ran a pro offense. He's not Andy Dalton here.

I guess we don't even need to discuss it then, seeing how you've got things all figured out.Peyton, who I would say has done pretty well for himself, hooked up with Marvin Harrison, who also did pretty well for himself, 59 times when Manning was a rookie. Things don't always go according to Hoyle.Sure, Wayne had 100+ receptions in 2010 . . . when the Colts threw the ball almost 700 times. I'm guessing Luck won't be throwing it up as much as Peyton did that season. Dodds has Luck projected at 530 attempts on the season. Assuming rookie Luck can be as accurate and productive as Manning was, that would knock Wayne from his 110 receptions to 80 receptions (assuming Wayne was targetd at the same percentage rate).I agree that Wayne is undervalued, but I am not sure that makes him a lock for the Top 20.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

I see no way he finishes outside top 20 with Andrew Luck, barring injury. He was near 1000 last season with very poor quarterback play. Not average, poor play. Luck is the best qb prospect since manning or even elway some say. Rookies sometimes lock onto a target. He is really the only true weapon in that offense. Sure defenses will scheme him, but that happened last year as well....with Curtis freaking Painter slinging it. Luck is not Ponder or Matt Ryan or even Bradford...he's generational. Wayne is old but he's dang near a HOF talent so even if he slips some, which he may or may not, he will still have enough juice to shine.

I agree that sometimes rookies lock onto a target . . . but from what I have been reading that target so far has been Collie. I think the reason Wayne is available at a discount is the uncertainty as to how a rookie will fare on an otherwise so so team. Most rookie QBs struggle to put up good numbers out of the gate, and I would guess that is what is dragging Wayne's projections down.

Most rookies quarterbacks are not Andrew Luck. He's a higher rated passer by far than Cam Newton was. He's this year's Steve Smith. It isn't like we are talking about a good prospect in Luck. He's widely considered the best Quarterback prospect since...well ever perhaps. He's pro ready, ran a pro offense. He's not Andy Dalton here.

I guess we don't even need to discuss it then, seeing how you've got things all figured out.Peyton, who I would say has done pretty well for himself, hooked up with Marvin Harrison, who also did pretty well for himself, 59 times when Manning was a rookie. Things don't always go according to Hoyle.Sure, Wayne had 100+ receptions in 2010 . . . when the Colts threw the ball almost 700 times. I'm guessing Luck won't be throwing it up as much as Peyton did that season. Dodds has Luck projected at 530 attempts on the season. Assuming rookie Luck can be as accurate and productive as Manning was, that would knock Wayne from his 110 receptions to 80 receptions (assuming Wayne was targetd at the same percentage rate).I agree that Wayne is undervalued, but I am not sure that makes him a lock for the Top 20.

I'll take 80 receptions from a guy going in the 7-8th rounds...

 

[ens189]

Ive noticed him falling to the 6-7th, good value there IMO.

 

[Sabertooth]

To think about this along a different line, what would Reggie Wayne's value if Jay Cutler or Matt Ryan was his quarterback? Because I think Andrew Luck has a chance, not a lock but at least a plausible chance, to have that kind of skill right out of the gates.

 

[-jb-]

The difference between WR20 and WR30 over the past five years averages to 22.4 points, or 1.4 PPG. Add to that the fact that he's 34 years old, and there are other more attractive options to me. Others have mentioned upside, and I tend to agree. That's not to say that he's not a totally acceptable WR3, though.

 

[Sweet Love]

I do think he could find himself in that 18-22 range if all goes well, but this guy isn't "criminally underrated" or anything like that. Average ADP for him now puts him at WR30 in PPR. He is slightly ahead of Peter Waiter and Bobby Meachem (it is not like he is stuck around the Cotcherys of the world) and I easily could see one of those getting into that 18-22 spot just as much as Wayne...it really is a deep group of WRs this year.

 

[Voodoo Rage]

Sometimes there is something to say about wanting a veteran or two in your WR squad that you can comfortably plug in on any given week and get a "high floor" of production. A lot of times you draft a ton of "sexy" sleepers but then you have no one to start in week 1.

 

[Sabertooth]

The difference between WR20 and WR30 over the past five years averages to 22.4 points, or 1.4 PPG. Add to that the fact that he's 34 years old, and there are other more attractive options to me. Others have mentioned upside, and I tend to agree. That's not to say that he's not a totally acceptable WR3, though.

Here are ESPN's rankings, I use FBG who rank him a bit higher, but that may be pay content. So let's use this as a reference. Very few have the 2012 upside of Wayne. For one, he's just simply better than a lot of the guys on the list. The only wideouts that have as much talent IMO are all 10-20 spots ahead of him. And of those ranked in the Top 30, only Bowe has the potential to garner a true lion's share of his team's targets. I could easily see Wayne right at the top of this list in terms of target expectations. I mean, Garcon is ranked ahead of him. He wasn't even considered in Wayne's league last season. From a pure talent standpoint, he is and was well below Wayne. And now he's paired up with a rookie QB, just like Wayne. I don't think there are a lot of scenarios where Garcon outscores Wayne this season.

21 Dwayne Bowe, KC 7 $1222 Jeremy Maclin, PHI 7 $1123 Steve Johnson, BUF 8 $1124 Demaryius Thomas, DEN 7 $1025 Antonio Brown, PIT 4 $926 Eric Decker, DEN 7 $927 DeSean Jackson, PHI 7 $828 Robert Meachem, SD 7 $829 Pierre Garcon, WAS 10 $830 Torrey Smith, BAL 8 $731 Denarius Moore, OAK 5 $732 Malcom Floyd, SD 7 $633 Santonio Holmes, NYJ 9 $634 Lance Moore, NO 6 $535 Anquan Boldin, BAL 8 $536 Michael Crabtree, SF 9 $437 Kenny Britt, TEN 11 $438 Nate Washington, TEN 11 $439 Sidney Rice, SEA 11 $340 Reggie Wayne, IND 4 $341 Darrius Heyward-Bey, OAK 5 $242 Titus Young, DET 5 $243 Mario Manningham, SF 9 $244 Justin Blackmon, JAC 6 $245 Rueben Randle, NYG 11 $246 Laurent Robinson, JAC 6 $247 Mike Williams, TB 5 $148 Nate Burleson, DET 5 $149 Randy Moss, SF 9 $150 Leonard Hankerson, WAS 10 $1

 

[Shutout]

Agree with you Saber. Its just one of those things where people get bored of steady and consistency, even when its top-notch. Too many people out there that simply can't fight their egos and want to be the one patting themselves on the back for finding a rough diamond and knocking it out of the park.

In the meantime, we will see Wayne be one of these guys that quietly compiles catches and points and ends up right where you are saying.

As much as people like to devote "Iliad" sized threads to players with injuries and attitudes and all these things and knock them down their rankings, they ignore Wayne.

But he is THE most durable WR in the league (hasn't missed a game in ~9 years now), he runs very precise routes (shock..playing with Peyton for a decade will do that to you), he isn't a burner but he hasn't been for a while now. But he knows how to play the game and he has great hands and you don't hear him making trouble. he's just a very good player that people have gotten tired of talking about "Ho Hum...another year, another great season!"

You can draft him as a WR3 or WR4 in some cases and I can't imagine a better luxury.

 

[-jb-]

The difference between WR20 and WR30 over the past five years averages to 22.4 points, or 1.4 PPG. Add to that the fact that he's 34 years old, and there are other more attractive options to me. Others have mentioned upside, and I tend to agree. That's not to say that he's not a totally acceptable WR3, though.

Here are ESPN's rankings, I use FBG who rank him a bit higher, but that may be pay content. So let's use this as a reference. Very few have the 2012 upside of Wayne. For one, he's just simply better than a lot of the guys on the list. The only wideouts that have as much talent IMO are all 10-20 spots ahead of him. And of those ranked in the Top 30, only Bowe has the potential to garner a true lion's share of his team's targets. I could easily see Wayne right at the top of this list in terms of target expectations. I mean, Garcon is ranked ahead of him. He wasn't even considered in Wayne's league last season. From a pure talent standpoint, he is and was well below Wayne. And now he's paired up with a rookie QB, just like Wayne. I don't think there are a lot of scenarios where Garcon outscores Wayne this season.

21 Dwayne Bowe, KC 7 $1222 Jeremy Maclin, PHI 7 $1123 Steve Johnson, BUF 8 $1124 Demaryius Thomas, DEN 7 $1025 Antonio Brown, PIT 4 $926 Eric Decker, DEN 7 $927 DeSean Jackson, PHI 7 $828 Robert Meachem, SD 7 $829 Pierre Garcon, WAS 10 $830 Torrey Smith, BAL 8 $731 Denarius Moore, OAK 5 $732 Malcom Floyd, SD 7 $633 Santonio Holmes, NYJ 9 $634 Lance Moore, NO 6 $535 Anquan Boldin, BAL 8 $536 Michael Crabtree, SF 9 $437 Kenny Britt, TEN 11 $438 Nate Washington, TEN 11 $439 Sidney Rice, SEA 11 $340 Reggie Wayne, IND 4 $341 Darrius Heyward-Bey, OAK 5 $242 Titus Young, DET 5 $243 Mario Manningham, SF 9 $244 Justin Blackmon, JAC 6 $245 Rueben Randle, NYG 11 $246 Laurent Robinson, JAC 6 $247 Mike Williams, TB 5 $148 Nate Burleson, DET 5 $149 Randy Moss, SF 9 $150 Leonard Hankerson, WAS 10 $1

This posts articulates one thing for me - I need to look at other sites' rankings. Yes...WR40 is most definitely criminally underrated.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I see no way he finishes outside top 20 with Andrew Luck, barring injury. He was near 1000 last season with very poor quarterback play. Not average, poor play. Luck is the best qb prospect since manning or even elway some say. Rookies sometimes lock onto a target. He is really the only true weapon in that offense. Sure defenses will scheme him, but that happened last year as well....with Curtis freaking Painter slinging it. Luck is not Ponder or Matt Ryan or even Bradford...he's generational. Wayne is old but he's dang near a HOF talent so even if he slips some, which he may or may not, he will still have enough juice to shine.

Couldn't agree more. Wrote something this week about this very fact that should be out soon.

 

[Banger]

Here are ESPN's rankings, I use FBG who rank him a bit higher, but that may be pay content. So let's use this as a reference. Very few have the 2012 upside of Wayne. For one, he's just simply better than a lot of the guys on the list. The only wideouts that have as much talent IMO are all 10-20 spots ahead of him. And of those ranked in the Top 30, only Bowe has the potential to garner a true lion's share of his team's targets. I could easily see Wayne right at the top of this list in terms of target expectations. I mean, Garcon is ranked ahead of him. He wasn't even considered in Wayne's league last season. From a pure talent standpoint, he is and was well below Wayne. And now he's paired up with a rookie QB, just like Wayne. I don't think there are a lot of scenarios where Garcon outscores Wayne this season.

agreed that he's definitely underrated but disagree with respect to Garcon. I would much rather go for the upside there and if the two were there on the board side by side I take Garcon.

 

[David Yudkin]

The other thing I forgot to mention . . .

If Luck is so vastly superior to all QBs that came before him and he is going to blow up this year, wouldn't it stand to reason that all other IND WR and TE are also way undervalued (perhaps even more so than Wayne)?

ADP for PPR leagues . . .

Wayne 79

Collie 151

Avery 255

Fleener 127

Allen N/A

 

[Sabertooth]

Here are ESPN's rankings, I use FBG who rank him a bit higher, but that may be pay content. So let's use this as a reference. Very few have the 2012 upside of Wayne. For one, he's just simply better than a lot of the guys on the list. The only wideouts that have as much talent IMO are all 10-20 spots ahead of him. And of those ranked in the Top 30, only Bowe has the potential to garner a true lion's share of his team's targets. I could easily see Wayne right at the top of this list in terms of target expectations. I mean, Garcon is ranked ahead of him. He wasn't even considered in Wayne's league last season. From a pure talent standpoint, he is and was well below Wayne. And now he's paired up with a rookie QB, just like Wayne. I don't think there are a lot of scenarios where Garcon outscores Wayne this season.

agreed that he's definitely underrated but disagree with respect to Garcon. I would much rather go for the upside there and if the two were there on the board side by side I take Garcon.

Explain upside to me as you mean it here? Dynasty longterm I could see Garcon. But short term, as in 2012, I fail to see how Garcon has more.

 

[Sabertooth]

The other thing I forgot to mention . . .If Luck is so vastly superior to all QBs that came before him and he is going to blow up this year, wouldn't it stand to reason that all other IND WR and TE are also way undervalued (perhaps even more so than Wayne)?ADP for PPR leagues . . .Wayne 79Collie 151Avery 255Fleener 127Allen N/A

Great point. I think in December we may look back on that post and say - !!!

 

[Sabertooth]

The other thing I forgot to mention . . .If Luck is so vastly superior to all QBs that came before him and he is going to blow up this year, wouldn't it stand to reason that all other IND WR and TE are also way undervalued (perhaps even more so than Wayne)?ADP for PPR leagues . . .Wayne 79Collie 151Avery 255Fleener 127Allen N/A

For a dynasty prospect, and this is a thread about Wayne in redraft leagues so sorry for the tangent, I think Dwayne Allen is a fantastic pick. I also really like Brazil if he can win that job.

 

[David Yudkin]

The other thing I forgot to mention . . .If Luck is so vastly superior to all QBs that came before him and he is going to blow up this year, wouldn't it stand to reason that all other IND WR and TE are also way undervalued (perhaps even more so than Wayne)?ADP for PPR leagues . . .Wayne 79Collie 151Avery 255Fleener 127Allen N/A

Great point. I think in December we may look back on that post and say - !!!

Which is why I personally think Collie might be more undervalued than Wayne is. Collie may not have as many receptions or score as many fantasy points, but he should be available 6-7 rounds after Wayne. A case could be made that there may be other WR worth considering around where Wayne in going in redrafts. But Collie is getting drafted after the Randles and Manninghams of the world. In his last 16 games playing with Manning, Collie posted 88-1065-12. Since you are the one gushing over Luck, I thought that might be noteworthy.

 

[joey]

he's the 2012 version of Donald Driver from a couple years back.

value.

 

[Banger]

Here are ESPN's rankings, I use FBG who rank him a bit higher, but that may be pay content. So let's use this as a reference. Very few have the 2012 upside of Wayne. For one, he's just simply better than a lot of the guys on the list. The only wideouts that have as much talent IMO are all 10-20 spots ahead of him. And of those ranked in the Top 30, only Bowe has the potential to garner a true lion's share of his team's targets. I could easily see Wayne right at the top of this list in terms of target expectations. I mean, Garcon is ranked ahead of him. He wasn't even considered in Wayne's league last season. From a pure talent standpoint, he is and was well below Wayne. And now he's paired up with a rookie QB, just like Wayne. I don't think there are a lot of scenarios where Garcon outscores Wayne this season.

agreed that he's definitely underrated but disagree with respect to Garcon. I would much rather go for the upside there and if the two were there on the board side by side I take Garcon.

Explain upside to me as you mean it here? Dynasty longterm I could see Garcon. But short term, as in 2012, I fail to see how Garcon has more.

I'm not sure why it's any kind of stretch to think of a guy that is more athletic and younger and will be the focal point wr in the offense can't score more than Wayne when he outscored him last year playing right next to him. Last year playing with same crappy qb on the same crappy offense Garcon went for 70-947-6 while Wayne went for 75-960-4. The Skins went out and sought Garcon as soon as they traded for RG3 and they have had good chemistry in camp and that translated onto the field last night. I think the Skins will be a much better team, are better coached, and will move up and down the field a lot better than the Colts will.At the end of the day I think Wayne may have a slightly higher floor but Garcon certainly has the higher ceiling.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Here are ESPN's rankings, I use FBG who rank him a bit higher, but that may be pay content. So let's use this as a reference. Very few have the 2012 upside of Wayne. For one, he's just simply better than a lot of the guys on the list. The only wideouts that have as much talent IMO are all 10-20 spots ahead of him. And of those ranked in the Top 30, only Bowe has the potential to garner a true lion's share of his team's targets. I could easily see Wayne right at the top of this list in terms of target expectations. I mean, Garcon is ranked ahead of him. He wasn't even considered in Wayne's league last season. From a pure talent standpoint, he is and was well below Wayne. And now he's paired up with a rookie QB, just like Wayne. I don't think there are a lot of scenarios where Garcon outscores Wayne this season.

agreed that he's definitely underrated but disagree with respect to Garcon. I would much rather go for the upside there and if the two were there on the board side by side I take Garcon.

Explain upside to me as you mean it here? Dynasty longterm I could see Garcon. But short term, as in 2012, I fail to see how Garcon has more.

I'm not sure why it's any kind of stretch to think of a guy that is more athletic and younger and will be the focal point wr in the offense can't score more than Wayne when he outscored him last year playing right next to him. Last year playing with same crappy qb on the same crappy offense Garcon went for 70-947-6 while Wayne went for 75-960-4. The Skins went out and sought Garcon as soon as they traded for RG3 and they have had good chemistry in camp and that translated onto the field last night. I think the Skins will be a much better team, are better coached, and will move up and down the field a lot better than the Colts will.At the end of the day I think Wayne may have a slightly higher floor but Garcon certainly has the higher ceiling.

The Redskins play the NFC East AND AFC North(all top 10 defenses last season)...I think Wayne has a much better schedule...and by Wayne I mean Luck.

 

[SelenaCat]

The Redskins play the NFC East AND AFC North(all top 10 defenses last season)...I think Wayne has a much better schedule...and by Wayne I mean Luck.

According to Chase Stuart's ultimate SoS, the Colts actually have a slightly harder schedule for QB's (and is one of the choices for the "bad schedules"), but are neck-and-neck for WR's. Admittedly, this is based on historical data, but I think it shows their schedules aren't wildly different in terms of fantasy production.

 

[Frank Costanza's Lawyer]

The Redskins play the NFC East AND AFC North(all top 10 defenses last season)...I think Wayne has a much better schedule...and by Wayne I mean Luck.

According to Chase Stuart's ultimate SoS, the Colts actually have a slightly harder schedule for QB's (and is one of the choices for the "bad schedules"), but are neck-and-neck for WR's. Admittedly, this is based on historical data, but I think it shows their schedules aren't wildly different in terms of fantasy production.

Do you have a link for this? I dont doubt you, I was looking for it yesterday and couldnt find it.

 

[Sabertooth]

Nice week against a very tough defense today.

 

[need2know]

how much do you think it will change when collie comes back?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Nice week against a very tough defense today.

I don't think the Defense played very well today, especially with an injury to our #1CB Charles Tillman early in the game.

 

[SameSongNDance]

how much do you think it will change when collie comes back?

Collie looked like Luck's favorite target in the preseason. As a Wayne owner, I'm slightly concerned for when he comes back. I'm not sure if I should sell or not.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Reggie is the best receiver on this team, Austin Collie or no Austin Collie. He's a true pro-bowl caliber guy. Austin Collie is a poor man's Wes Welker with a soft melon. He's not any more cleared to play than Jahvid Best is. He may come back and be effective. But I highly doubt he comes in and becomes a guy that gets targeted 10 times a game or anything like that.

 

[Badgers Fan]

how much do you think it will change when collie comes back?

IMO, Wayne w/out Collie is a low end wr1, with Collie is just below a mid-level wr2. I'd see what his trade market is after this week, but wouldn't call him a sell.

 

[SameSongNDance]

how much do you think it will change when collie comes back?

IMO, Wayne w/out Collie is a low end wr1, with Collie is just below a mid-level wr2. I'd see what his trade market is after this week, but wouldn't call him a sell.

Yeah it'd be hard to really get any return on him unless you're in a league where people like to overreact after week one. I'm not.

 

[DesmondBishop]

Wayne looked great today, a couple really tough catches and must have been targeted 15+ times. I do not think he will lose that many targets, the other guys had quite a few targets as well, Wayne is still too good to lose much. The announcers also talked about how great Wayne felt and that he felt really rejuvenated with Luck.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Wayne looked great today, a couple really tough catches and must have been targeted 15+ times. I do not think he will lose that many targets, the other guys had quite a few targets as well, Wayne is still too good to lose much. The announcers also talked about how great Wayne felt and that he felt really rejuvenated with Luck.

To be honest, I didn't get a chance to see him play since my eyes were glued to the NFL Red Zone all day, it's good to hear this though. I think when it was all said and done he was targeted 18 times.

 

[Shutout]

how much do you think it will change when collie comes back?

IMO, Wayne w/out Collie is a low end wr1, with Collie is just below a mid-level wr2. I'd see what his trade market is after this week, but wouldn't call him a sell.

Yeah it'd be hard to really get any return on him unless you're in a league where people like to overreact after week one. I'm not.

LOL! Maybe other people aren't over reacting to this week. Maybe you are OVER reacting to last year when Wayne had two terrible QBs passing to him becuase, otherwise, when Wayne has had a good QB, he has pretty much been a top 7-10 WR for almost a decade. In other words, maybe its not him..

 

[SameSongNDance]

how much do you think it will change when collie comes back?

IMO, Wayne w/out Collie is a low end wr1, with Collie is just below a mid-level wr2. I'd see what his trade market is after this week, but wouldn't call him a sell.

Yeah it'd be hard to really get any return on him unless you're in a league where people like to overreact after week one. I'm not.

LOL! Maybe other people aren't over reacting to this week. Maybe you are OVER reacting to last year when Wayne had two terrible QBs passing to him becuase, otherwise, when Wayne has had a good QB, he has pretty much been a top 7-10 WR for almost a decade. In other words, maybe its not him..

Thanks for the history lesson haha. I'm just trying to get a read on the situation, no need to come at me all crazy like.

 

[Sabertooth]

how much do you think it will change when collie comes back?

IMO, Wayne w/out Collie is a low end wr1, with Collie is just below a mid-level wr2. I'd see what his trade market is after this week, but wouldn't call him a sell.

Yeah it'd be hard to really get any return on him unless you're in a league where people like to overreact after week one. I'm not.

LOL! Maybe other people aren't over reacting to this week. Maybe you are OVER reacting to last year when Wayne had two terrible QBs passing to him becuase, otherwise, when Wayne has had a good QB, he has pretty much been a top 7-10 WR for almost a decade. In other words, maybe its not him..

Thanks for the history lesson haha. I'm just trying to get a read on the situation, no need to come at me all crazy like.

The situation is that you have a hall of famer receiver with plenty left in the tank playing on a team with no running game and a #### defense. I'm not sure how much more there is to say about it. Austin Collie? When Collie was pulling in his "breakout seasons" in 2009 and 2010, Wayne was posting 100+ catch seasons.

 

[tombonneau]

You beat me to the bump, but I beat you to the original post.

Mods might want to merge.

 

[Sabertooth]

You beat me to the bump, but I beat you to the original post. Mods might want to merge.

 

[steveski]

Any receiver who pulls in 9 catches is a guy I want on my team. Imagine if 2 of those were TDs? People would be talking about how he could be top 5 this year. I think he could easily be top 15 and I drafted him as my starting WR3. Bargain.

 

[donkshow]

Think I should move Dez for him? Or is that too much of a stretch...

 

[tombonneau]

Think I should move Dez for him? Or is that too much of a stretch...

Depends on your perception of him but week 1 is definitely the time to offer a perceived overvalue trade to get someone you want. Last year after week 1 or 2 I offered Julio + Flacco for Jordy Nelson which everyone said I overpaid for but I ended up with the WR5. If you really like Wayne I think now is the time to offer a guy ranked much higher than him in the preseason for him straight up so the person thinks they are selling high.

 

[The_Fonz]

Any receiver who pulls in 9 catches is a guy I want on my team. Imagine if 2 of those were TDs? People would be talking about how he could be top 5 this year. I think he could easily be top 15 and I drafted him as my starting WR3. Bargain.

Yup! I knew it!!!!

 

[donkshow]

Think I should move Dez for him? Or is that too much of a stretch...

Depends on your perception of him but week 1 is definitely the time to offer a perceived overvalue trade to get someone you want. Last year after week 1 or 2 I offered Julio + Flacco for Jordy Nelson which everyone said I overpaid for but I ended up with the WR5. If you really like Wayne I think now is the time to offer a guy ranked much higher than him in the preseason for him straight up so the person thinks they are selling high.

I'm a Colts fan so my perception is quite foggy.But Wayne has always looked awesome. As stated many times he almost put up 1000 yards with Painter/Collins as his QB. The TD total is going to be my only concern. He should be the #1 target, but because of that he'll be in double coverage in the red zone and a guy like Fleener could benefit with high TD numbers.