Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Someone dropped him in my league! Has it really come to this in Indy. What are your thoughts on him and the Indy passing game, is he still a top 15-20 WR? Which QB benefits him the most Painter or Collins?
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Shutout
Footballguy
In my PPR he is still ranked 20-22 or so. I would say it is frustration and looking for upside from the person who dropped him because watching the games, it is apparent he is now a "Derrick Mason/Hines Ward/Donald Driver" type, circa 2009. He is probably never going to get blanked but it is hard to see him with 7/88/1TD type. Without Manning, he and Clark and Collie and all the others are dead in the water. Garcon's speed makes him a threat to do what he did on MNF but there is no way that can be relied on.
If this is a dynasty, I would grab him but not in a redraft.
In a dynasty, with manning returning someday and Wayne always being durable and a good route runner, I can easily see him returning to a top 15-20 in a PPR for a season or two. But outside that, it is hard to put him in a starting lineup if you have any depth at all.
If this is a dynasty, I would grab him but not in a redraft.
In a dynasty, with manning returning someday and Wayne always being durable and a good route runner, I can easily see him returning to a top 15-20 in a PPR for a season or two. But outside that, it is hard to put him in a starting lineup if you have any depth at all.
Tong Po
Footballguy
4 for 59 on 8 targets isn't exactly an atrocious stat line. And I recall a pretty solid preseason week 3 performance from Reggie Wayne with Painter throwing the ball. The second TD to Garcon was a simple screen that Garcon turned into a big play. He had the same amount of targets as Wayne, so I don't think Painter was necessarily "locking on to Garcon" in any way. Might be a little premature to give up on Wayne after 1 game with Painter at QB. Got some beatable pass defenses on the horizon.
Wayne is on pace for a 72/1020/4 season, which is not too shabby. And only five receivers have had more pass targets. That still makes him a top-20 WR, with top-10 potential if he can get a little better performance from the QB position.
Not to mention, he's played against some tough passing Ds so far. He's still a must-start with the Chiefs coming to town.
Not to mention, he's played against some tough passing Ds so far. He's still a must-start with the Chiefs coming to town.
footballnerd
Footballguy
QB change could be a big difference for him, Painter has only had one game so far, and KC is up next!
Painter threw a nice over the shoulder to Wayne toward the sidelines at the end of the game that showed promise.
Painter threw a nice over the shoulder to Wayne toward the sidelines at the end of the game that showed promise.
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rocketsauce
Footballguy
Traded him last week for Jacoby Ford & Mike Williams. Had he and Williams ranked similarly heading into 2011. Although it appears I was wrong on both.
Shutout
Footballguy
Just checked my PPR league and Wayne is 7 points away from #20 so yeah, I guess it is a little misleading with the Calvins and Welkers hogging all the spotlight (or maybe we jsut are so accustomed to Wayne being so good that it SEEMS he has died). But he is right there and basically if he had one more catch and a TD of any length at all he would be #18 or so. Not sure what a 4 team league has to do with anything...He would still be ranked where he is regardless of how many teams play in the league.
I don't like Wayne at all, but I'd pick him up. After the first 10-12 fantasy WRs, there's a whole bunch of similar, unexciting guys and Wayne is one of them. FBG has him ranked 14th rest of way. I don't like him that much, but he's got to be in the top 30, which makes him rosterable in all but the smallest leagues.
I think he means the dropping of Wayne being hard to justify in a normal sized league
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Its a 10 team league and he was dropped for AJ Green. I was really shocked to see Wayne on my free agent list, but we only roster 4 WRs so it becomes tricky with bye weeks. I hope Im able to grab him when he clears waivers. I only saw a little of the game on monday but I didnt think their offense looked that bad actually. I'll have to go back an read the game thread but Painter looks capable of running a mini version of the Colts offense.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What happened to him yesterday? Is he getting the looks or is Painter locked in on Garcon?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok: thoughts on buying low here?
And if so, how low do you go?
It's just that I'm thinking Painter is looking better and the success to Garcon has got to help Wayne.
And does anyone remember that very nice deep TD in the preseason from Painter? That may still be there... somewhere.
Wayne cannot get much lower, if he was any other player he would probably be getting dropped a good bit more frequently.
And if so, how low do you go?
It's just that I'm thinking Painter is looking better and the success to Garcon has got to help Wayne.
And does anyone remember that very nice deep TD in the preseason from Painter? That may still be there... somewhere.
Wayne cannot get much lower, if he was any other player he would probably be getting dropped a good bit more frequently.
I have Wayne, and I am holding onto him, b/c I can't get much for him. I, too, hope that Garcon's success will free up Wayne. However, that "very nice deep TD in the preseason" WAS NOT a very nice deep TD. It was a blown coverage where NOBODY was near Wayne, and Painter underthrew him badly. Wayne had to slow down CONSIDERABLY to catch the ball, and if there had been a defender within 20 yards of him, he wouldn't have scored.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok, good point on the preseason score - I meant in terms of the result, but you're right on how it happened. Thanks.Btw on trade value I thought of offering Ingram but it seemed that might be too much. Not sure if the right value can be offered, too low and the owner won't take it, too much and the risk of more of the same is too high.
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
I was offered Wayne for Tony Romo (I have Cam and Eli as well0. Feel like Romo is too much to give up, but might pull the trigger as my WRs suckbig time.
I don't know the size of your league, or the make-up of your team, but I personally wouldn't give Ingram for Wayne. I know Ingram has been unimpressive, but in most leagues I compete in, he'd command a WR who doesn't have the "name" that Wayne does but who has put up better stats thus far.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I just traded Mendy and Redman for Wayne in a standard scoring non-ppr league. I think it's a pretty even trade for both sides.
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Luke Skywalker
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I'm holding but only because Painter has looked decent the last couple weeks. I had an offer to trade him for Bowe preseason and I really wish I'd taken it.
Shutout
Footballguy
I am a long-time Wayne owner in various leagues and, just for me, I think the time to truly buy low on him was right before the Tampa game. At that point, I would have moved him for anything.
But now, after having time to take a breath and think about it, I don't see a reason to.
He is still a good WR. I know some certain FF sites that like ALL TOO MUCH to pile on players as soon as anything changes. They have been calling SJAX old and done for years. While I don't like SJAX much and he is not a super elite like so many think he should have been, the point is that those piling on type of statements DO shift people's thoughts. And it has started on Wayne as he is commonly said to have become ancient overnight and can't do this and can't do that anymore. That is really not the case. The reality is that he, like every other WR, is going to be affected by their QB. And Wayne happens to play with one of the best of all time. People had thought Steve Smith was done but he looks really good right now with the best QB he has had in a handful of years. AJ was never the AJ we have seen the past 3-4 years until Shaub got there. Point being is that Wayne can still produce and he now has a QB that is better than Collins and he might (just might) play with Manning again this year).
Wayne's targets are still there too so it is not like he has just been phased out.
So now, I see the darkest period passing and I know no one is going to give what he can steadily be or what he may return to so I hold now.
Its not crazy to envision the second half of the season being filed with 6/70 type weeks and the occasional TD. That is a top 12-16 performance each week. People could do a lot worse; especially as the season goes on and players take on injuries and wear down. Got to remember that Wayne has also been remarkably durable.
So, I'm not thinking he is going to lead the way to a title, but I can definitely see him being a key component to a title as a supporting player for owners.
But now, after having time to take a breath and think about it, I don't see a reason to.
He is still a good WR. I know some certain FF sites that like ALL TOO MUCH to pile on players as soon as anything changes. They have been calling SJAX old and done for years. While I don't like SJAX much and he is not a super elite like so many think he should have been, the point is that those piling on type of statements DO shift people's thoughts. And it has started on Wayne as he is commonly said to have become ancient overnight and can't do this and can't do that anymore. That is really not the case. The reality is that he, like every other WR, is going to be affected by their QB. And Wayne happens to play with one of the best of all time. People had thought Steve Smith was done but he looks really good right now with the best QB he has had in a handful of years. AJ was never the AJ we have seen the past 3-4 years until Shaub got there. Point being is that Wayne can still produce and he now has a QB that is better than Collins and he might (just might) play with Manning again this year).
Wayne's targets are still there too so it is not like he has just been phased out.
So now, I see the darkest period passing and I know no one is going to give what he can steadily be or what he may return to so I hold now.
Its not crazy to envision the second half of the season being filed with 6/70 type weeks and the occasional TD. That is a top 12-16 performance each week. People could do a lot worse; especially as the season goes on and players take on injuries and wear down. Got to remember that Wayne has also been remarkably durable.
So, I'm not thinking he is going to lead the way to a title, but I can definitely see him being a key component to a title as a supporting player for owners.
The Sniper
Footballguy
No one's biting on Wayne right now. Tried for Tebow and Roethlisberger, each to no avail.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Why is Wayne on the "can't cut" list on Yahoo? He's taking up space on my roster. Do we need to send them emails or is that useless?
duaneok66
Footballguy
excellent post.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
What? Three weeks ago called and it wants your memory back. Anyway, anyone know how I can remove this guy from the "can't cut list" in Yahoo?
