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Report: Vick likely to be shut down for the year (1 Viewer)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jahvid Best II?
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
It was pretty much a forgone conclusion the Vick was toast if they couldn't turn the team around by mid season. This is just for Vick to save face IMO.
delusional
Footballguy
That Best comment is just dumb. Wth him getting hit as much as some RBs, I am surprised he lasted this long.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Behind that OL, it's just a matter of time before Foles joins him on the sidelines.
packersfan
Footballguy
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I dunno, he seemed ok with the pressure coming. He sure as hell got the ball out quicker than Vick did.A stationary target behind that line sounds like a recipe for disaster.
packersfan
Footballguy
Picking up Foles is obvious - especially given the matchup this week. The more difficult decision is for Vick owners. What are you going to do? He's been a Top 12-15 QB in many scoring systems before yesterday so it's not like he's been a bum. Do you hold and hope he returns or do you put your faith in this report, expect him to be shelved for the rest of the season and move in another direction?
shader
Footballguy
I think this is Reid doing Vick a favor. Now Vick doesn't have to get "benched" and he can get cleared for next year somewhere else.
I think the Oline ruined Vick. He was absolutely the best player in the league for a couple months two years ago. But the never-ending horrific Oline play just did him in.
I think the Oline ruined Vick. He was absolutely the best player in the league for a couple months two years ago. But the never-ending horrific Oline play just did him in.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Trent Edwards is the #3 according to the FBG depth charts. What happened to Kafka? Released? He played well in spots.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Their OL with Peters was one of the best in the NFL last year and Vick was mediocre at best.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I've got to hold him and still pick up someone else. The only qb's on my ww are Sanchez, Gabbert, Arizona mess, and Foles. This is going to get ugly. :(
jasvic
Footballguy
Released before the season started. I thought the Pats signed him or at least gave him a work out.
thatguythere
Footballguy
THe owner should tell Andy Reid he can only have one meal a day for the week if he doesn't give the ball to McCoy more than 20 times a game going forward. 
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Reid/Vick in zona makes sense...
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
This is still a Yahoo rumor at this stage right?
I have Vick, Locker, and Foles. I'm going to hold as well. Not much on my WW either. Pick up Foles and hope for the best...
Grateful Parrot
Footballguy
It was never McNabb. Eagles fans put praise and blame in all the wrong places. The main stay of those McNabb teams was Westbrook. There will never be another Westbrook.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Is there really a QB that's coming out this year that you'd want to tie up a ton of money in? IMO, I'd rather work on the O-line (Peters will be back). If Foles isn't the answer than you'll likely have another high draft pick to get that rookie QB in 2014.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Draft picks don't cost a ton of money anymore, and yes I am that comfortable with Geno.
dhockster
Footballguy
Why do people assume that if Reid goes somewhere else he will want to bring Vick? I think Andy has seen what we have all seen and realizes his decision to go with Vick was a mistake. Vick cannot learn how to read defenses and make the proper adjustments. He also cannot avoid hard contact, and therefore cannot avoid the turnovers that come with hard contact. I will be very surprised if Vick is an NFL starting QB next year.
4th&inches
Footballguy
Hasn't AZ's O-line been actually worse than Philly's too? Not sure I'd want to go there if I were Vick and had the choice anyway
MAC_32
Footballguy
Vick needs to go some place in which his coach will let him do his things, he has a big play maker and a couple of reliable safety valves for when things break down, and a competent o line.
Desperation points me to the Jets unless Rex lobbies hard for Tebow. He has the down field guy in Stephen Hill, Vick's legitimacy may get Santonio Holmes' head back in it - at least give him some time early on before he goes awol, so they just need a RT in round 1 of the draft, and a possession WR in free agency. Rex would let Vick do his thing, not make him into something he's not.
Desperation points me to the Jets unless Rex lobbies hard for Tebow. He has the down field guy in Stephen Hill, Vick's legitimacy may get Santonio Holmes' head back in it - at least give him some time early on before he goes awol, so they just need a RT in round 1 of the draft, and a possession WR in free agency. Rex would let Vick do his thing, not make him into something he's not.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
That makes one of you. He's not a slam dunk, can't miss prospect like Luck or RG3. He may pan out, he may not, but I don't think he's a significant upgrade over Nick Foles.And as for the "LOL HE CANT SURVIVE BEHIND THAT LINE" comments, do you people actually watch the games? I agree the line is bad, but it's made worse by the fact that Vick routinely holds the ball longer than anyone in the NFL sans Russell Wilson, can't read blitzes or defenses, and has to wait for the receivers to get open as opposed to throwing them open. Nick Foles may not have the arm that Vick does or be as athletic, but Vick has clearly regressed and shown he is not close to being an elite QB. I was pretty much done with him after he threw 4 picks and nearly lost to the Browns on opening day. Good riddance.Draft picks don't cost a ton of money anymore, and yes I am that comfortable with Geno.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Oh, Vick was his own worst enemy, the line excuse is only a part of the equation in what's wrong with the offense. He has zero awareness to what's going on around him and gets killed because of it. Problem is Foles is not going to be any better. When things go smoothly he's fine, but he handles adversity poorly and doesn't make plays when it breaks down in front of him - instead making bad mistakes. And his bad mistakes usually come in bunches.
This is an awful spot for him to get his shot.
This is an awful spot for him to get his shot.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
You could be right, but you have to at least give him (Foles) a shot. We've seen what Vick can do, time to give the kid a shot. If the next coaching staff believes in him, they can move forward. If not, they'll have to address that in the offseason.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
notice how nobody's talking about shutting cutler down for the season -- didn't they both have concussions?
MAC_32
Footballguy
He needs to be given a shot in a little to no pressure situation, this is not the spot to find out what you have in Foles. 9+ losses is when he gets tossed out there, not now, not when the coaching staff is fighting for their jobs and relying on a green rookie. Recipe for disaster.
dhockster
Footballguy
Are you basing this just on yesterday? If so, you obviously need a bigger sample size. If you are basing this on what he did in college, I think you have to give him a chance to learn under his new coaches. Yes, it is not ideal, but a least there is no pressure for him to come in and win right away. He basically has half a season to try and get used to making decisions at NFL speed.
Koya
Footballguy
I tend to agree. Vick, in the right system, on the right team, with the right coach, is a huge, huge weapon. Then again, with any of those three - or worse yet, more than one - missing, you have huge issues.Jets would be a great example. A defense based team with some speed at WR. Vick and those WR's could make some plays out of nothing - can't be any worse than Sanchez & Co. For the times Vick makes mistakes, you have a solid defense to bail you out, and Vick can find a way to make enough plays to end up playing from in front, not from behind, and then you really could have something that works.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Basing it on college and what I saw yesterday, and I disagree with you on pressure. There is all sorts of pressure on him given the Eagles current front office situation. They need wins to stay and Foles at QB won't produce many wins this year.
babydemon90
Footballguy
3-6, vs 7-2 is a pretty big difference.
packersfan
Footballguy
Correct. "Sources" close to the Eagles are saying this will happen. Of course, "sources" close to the Eagles said Vick would be benched after Week 8 and Week 9 too.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
I don't know if CHicago's line has been as bad as in some recent years, but I would think that maybe the cumulative effect of Vick getting pounded maybe has something to do with it as well. His ribs were a problem all year. He may just be totally shell-shocked and wrecked, and, as mentioned above, this is a convenient way to let him save some face and let the Eagles see what they have in Foles.I agree that Maclin should be a beneficiary and DJax may suffer. Vick was either looking for a home run, a dump-off or to run. Although Foles will dump off still, it seems like Foles will look more to those intermediate routes, especially in broken plays instead of running.
Foles gives Reid his only chance of keeping his job and even than I'd put those odds at less than 5%.
Lurie already said 8-8 won't save Reid's job and this team probably won't make it to 8-8. Even if Vick came back in a week or two and played awesome it's to late.
If Foles came in and played great Reid would have a better case. He could blame the problems on Vick's turnovers and make the point that he's developed Foles and to get rid of him or his staff would hinder Foles development.
Either way I don't see this as being added pressure on Foles. If I'm Foles saving Reid's job is not what would keep me up at night. What's more important for him is to be able to showcase his talents and give the Eagles confidence he's the QB of the future so that when they cut Vick they don't make acquiring another QB a major priority.
Foles is a third round pick. If he spends the next 4 years playing out his rookie contract he'll do so at $692,250 per year. The pressure on Foles is to show enough to have that contract torn up before he sees year 4 and get the kind of contract starting QB's in this league get. It's the difference between making some good money or being possibly set for life. IMO that's a lot more pressure than saving the job of a guy who is all but gone already.
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Foles is the best of that bunch (for what that's worth to you)
Foles seems like the calmest QB I can ever remember as a rookie. Just watching in the pre-season he has great vision and patience and has the ability to feel the pressure. Time will tell but at 3-6 the time is now for the Eagles to see what they got going forward. They have the Redskins, Panthers, Cowboys, Bucs, Bengals, Redskins, and Giants left on the schedule so no overly scary defense (other then the Giants).
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I did hear that vi k momentarily lost sight in one eye. If that's just from a concussion, I can see how that might need a Little more scrutiny than a run of the mill concussion.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Got news for you...9-7 ain't saving his job either. Lurie didn't say he had to do better than 8-8; Lurie said 8-8 isn't good enough (when asked) and went on to say he needed to see "significant improvement". 9-7 and a 1st round playoff loss isn't significant. They would need to make the post season *and* win a game or 2.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Yeah, Washington is a nice matchup. Worried about the awful o-line he plays behind but I suppose we'll soon find out just how much of that was on Vick.
SWC
Bromigo
i remember mike vick tearing the old wiener texter a new one at lambeau in the playoffs ruining the home playoff win streak that had held for 30 years give or take way to go brent you stink i guess you had better make up for it by betraying the state and your marriage but jeez was vick something then you just could not get near him when his wheels were all working but the problem is that he never could pass and still cant and his favorite move ni the pocket is to get a head injury so i do not think he will ever be much he had some high points for sure and i am sure all the tech fans love it but hey they love hokies whatever those are to so i guess dance with that girl who brung you anyhow i think this is the end my friend for teh old vicks vapor rub take that to the bank brosidan king of rhe broceans
SWC in da house
