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Respectablity is Reached?--Washington Wizards 2014-2015 Regular Season (1 Viewer)

Also, I noticed from the thread subtitle that last year we started 3-15. And now we're 3-23.

This is the worst franchise in professional sports right now, right? In terms of both recent awfulness and length of time since they were a contender. Who would be the other candidates? Royals? Maple Leafs? Lions?

 
Also, I noticed from the thread subtitle that last year we started 3-15. And now we're 3-23. This is the worst franchise in professional sports right now, right? In terms of both recent awfulness and length of time since they were a contender. Who would be the other candidates? Royals? Maple Leafs? Lions?
I think the Wiz are in contention for this crown as well as the others you mentioned.I will throw the Pirates in as well and the 21 season losing streak they are on.I still have no idea what Wittman is doing besides throwing #### at the wall and hoping something sticks.Just pray Okafor can keep us this run of good games so we can move him.
 
Not a Wiz fan, so what is the deal with the Wiz? Okafor and Nene are just stop gaps and Ariza probably won't be more than just a bench guy. But what about Jan? Is he already being labeled as a bust and on his way out or is he displaying any hope for the future. Certainly this team is killed by not having Wall. Beal looks like a good starting SG who could be something special so once Wall gets back with Beal and Crawford on the bench, that is a pretty good back court.

And what about Singleton? He seemed to show some signs as someone who could be either a decent starting SF or a great defender off the bench. Has he regressed? Does Seraphin show any hope for the future.

B/c assuming Wall gets back to his old form and they win the lottery and are able to draft Noel, that would seemingly give them #1 picks at the 1 and 5 along with a pretty good #2. So a lineup consisting of Wall, Beal, and Noel along with Singleton, Seraphin and Crawford would seem like something to build off.
Okafor was a miss, as was Ariza, two supporting guys the Wiz got to try to build some momentum and hopefully keep Wall who have both been complete failures. But Nene is here for the long haul and is a helluva player. This may be the most amazing stat of the NBA season: Nene is +65 for a 3-23 team. They're a different team when he's on the floor. The big question for him is health.Jan is terrible. Hate to call a guy a bust this early in his career, but let's put it this way ... the saga of whether he will have more fouls than points has been one of the fun/horrible story lines of the season among the Wiz fans/masochists on Twitter. Fouls are currently ahead 49-45. I can't see him ever contributing to an NBA team.

Beal has a lot of fans in among the Wiz faithful and elsewhere. I'm not sure about him. I see a guy who has a beautiful jumper that doesn't go in the basket. Shooting 35% from the field, 28% from three. Obviously he'll get better, but he'll have to get a LOT better to be an effective wing scorer, and i don't know if he will.

Singleton's been OK. Role player, works hard, nothing special.

Seraphin has been a disappointment this year. He was such a good post scorer last year, but something is really wrong with him this year. Can't score (maybe he can't adjust to being a bigger part of the offense) and he's really soft down low. Hopefully he'll straighten it out, he's a fan favorite.

Anyway, as you can see there's not much good there. But Wall + Beal + Nene + top draft pick could be a semi-decent foundation starting next year, if Beal surprises me and starts making shots.

 
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Not a Wiz fan, so what is the deal with the Wiz? Okafor and Nene are just stop gaps and Ariza probably won't be more than just a bench guy. But what about Jan? Is he already being labeled as a bust and on his way out or is he displaying any hope for the future. Certainly this team is killed by not having Wall. Beal looks like a good starting SG who could be something special so once Wall gets back with Beal and Crawford on the bench, that is a pretty good back court.

And what about Singleton? He seemed to show some signs as someone who could be either a decent starting SF or a great defender off the bench. Has he regressed? Does Seraphin show any hope for the future.

B/c assuming Wall gets back to his old form and they win the lottery and are able to draft Noel, that would seemingly give them #1 picks at the 1 and 5 along with a pretty good #2. So a lineup consisting of Wall, Beal, and Noel along with Singleton, Seraphin and Crawford would seem like something to build off.
Okafor was a miss, as was Ariza, two supporting guys the Wiz got to try to build some momentum and hopefully keep Wall who have both been complete failures. But Nene is here for the long haul and is a helluva player. This may be the most amazing stat of the NBA season: Nene is +65 for a 3-23 team. They're a different team when he's on the floor. The big question for him is health.Jan is terrible. Hate to call a guy a bust this early in his career, but let's put it this way ... the saga of whether he will have more fouls than points has been one of the fun/horrible story lines of the season among the Wiz fans/masochists on Twitter. Fouls are currently ahead 49-45. I can't see him ever contributing to an NBA team.

Beal has a lot of fans in among the Wiz faithful and elsewhere. I'm not sure about him. I see a guy who has a beautiful jumper that doesn't go in the basket. Shooting 35% from the field, 28% from three. Obviously he'll get better, but he'll have to get a LOT better to be an effective wing scorer, and i don't know if he will.

Singleton's been OK. Role player, works hard, nothing special.

Seraphin has been a disappointment this year. He was such a good post scorer last year, but something is really wrong with him this year. Can't score (maybe he can't adjust to being a bigger part of the offense) and he's really soft down low. Hopefully he'll straighten it out, he's a fan favorite.

Anyway, as you can see there's not much good there. But Wall + Beal + Nene + top draft pick could be a semi-decent foundation starting next year, if Beal surprises me and starts making shots.
Toby, is the feeling amongst the Wiz faithful that Wall will play out his contract and re-sign, or is he going to demand a trade from this stinking team as soon as he can?
 
Not a Wiz fan, so what is the deal with the Wiz? Okafor and Nene are just stop gaps and Ariza probably won't be more than just a bench guy. But what about Jan? Is he already being labeled as a bust and on his way out or is he displaying any hope for the future. Certainly this team is killed by not having Wall. Beal looks like a good starting SG who could be something special so once Wall gets back with Beal and Crawford on the bench, that is a pretty good back court.

And what about Singleton? He seemed to show some signs as someone who could be either a decent starting SF or a great defender off the bench. Has he regressed? Does Seraphin show any hope for the future.

B/c assuming Wall gets back to his old form and they win the lottery and are able to draft Noel, that would seemingly give them #1 picks at the 1 and 5 along with a pretty good #2. So a lineup consisting of Wall, Beal, and Noel along with Singleton, Seraphin and Crawford would seem like something to build off.
Okafor was a miss, as was Ariza, two supporting guys the Wiz got to try to build some momentum and hopefully keep Wall who have both been complete failures. But Nene is here for the long haul and is a helluva player. This may be the most amazing stat of the NBA season: Nene is +65 for a 3-23 team. They're a different team when he's on the floor. The big question for him is health.Jan is terrible. Hate to call a guy a bust this early in his career, but let's put it this way ... the saga of whether he will have more fouls than points has been one of the fun/horrible story lines of the season among the Wiz fans/masochists on Twitter. Fouls are currently ahead 49-45. I can't see him ever contributing to an NBA team.

Beal has a lot of fans in among the Wiz faithful and elsewhere. I'm not sure about him. I see a guy who has a beautiful jumper that doesn't go in the basket. Shooting 35% from the field, 28% from three. Obviously he'll get better, but he'll have to get a LOT better to be an effective wing scorer, and i don't know if he will.

Singleton's been OK. Role player, works hard, nothing special.

Seraphin has been a disappointment this year. He was such a good post scorer last year, but something is really wrong with him this year. Can't score (maybe he can't adjust to being a bigger part of the offense) and he's really soft down low. Hopefully he'll straighten it out, he's a fan favorite.

Anyway, as you can see there's not much good there. But Wall + Beal + Nene + top draft pick could be a semi-decent foundation starting next year, if Beal surprises me and starts making shots.
Toby, is the feeling amongst the Wiz faithful that Wall will play out his contract and re-sign, or is he going to demand a trade from this stinking team as soon as he can?
I don't think anyone knows exactly what's going to happen. But that said, most stars jump at the chance to sign extensions in Year 4 if the team makes the offer. For the most part they'd be crazy not to. Wall may not love it here (I honestly don't know what he thinks of DC), but nobody will be able to offer him the money/security the Wiz can, and the Wiz will have the option of matching any offer anyway. LeBron signed his extension in Cleveland even though he obviously had designs on leaving. Durant signed his in OKC even though we all know he eventually wants to come home to DC ;) If the Wiz want to keep building around Wall after 2013-2014, I'm guessing he'll take their money.

 
And yet another home loss last night against a team they could have beaten if not for a horrid 3rd quarter.

It's always something going wrong with this team but I guess when you have a team with so little talent they almost have to play as perfect as they can to win a game.

I guess I'm expecting Ted at some point to just clean house and start over but it has yet to come and quite frankly I'm puzzled at it.Grunfeld and Wittman have both shown that the jobs they are doing is borderline horrific.Grunfeld in putting this trainwreck together and Wittman in being incapable of getting anything out of what he has.

4-25 and a road date in Indiana tonight.

I think the 20 wins statement I made will not hold up.

As far as Wall staying here I'm sure that as long as he returns to how he was they will pay him very nicely to stick around so then the question is why would he if he wants to win?My guess is he would need to see players around him who could help him win and so far Grunfeld has not shown that ability to bring them in.

And are we really that convinced he is that franchise player to begin with?Still too early to tell but the results have been very mixed IMO.

 
Jan is terrible. Hate to call a guy a bust this early in his career, but let's put it this way ... the saga of whether he will have more fouls than points has been one of the fun/horrible story lines of the season among the Wiz fans/masochists on Twitter. Fouls are currently ahead 49-45. I can't see him ever contributing to an NBA team.
Points have inched closer to fouls. Now only down 49-52. You know, if he just had three more made free throws (skyrocketing his FT% all the way up to 38%), his points and fouls would be tied. Come to think of it, doesn't he have three air balls on free throws? If those three had somehow gone in instead of being air balls, it would be a thrilling 52-52 tie right now.
 
I revoke my earlier comment that they were bad, but not that bad. They are indeed that bad.

With the number of good coaches now looking for jobs, I'm not sure what they are waiting for on Wittman. He got saved at the end of last season only because of some cheap wins when playoff bound teams decided to rest up.

 
From bad to worse last night.Hung in for most of the game to only go the last 7 minutes of the 4th scoreless.

On the plus side Jan Vesely scored 6 pts but only commited 1 foul to even that total at 58-58 for the season(yes he is that bad).

Another plus is John Wall is back at practice and should return in 2 weeks.It should mean a few more wins but nothing that really matter in the long run so I hope they limit his minutes and play it smart.

4-28 and 15 wins looks to be the ceiling :bag:

Thank god the NHL is back so I don't have to watch the Generals anymore :lmao:

 
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From bad to worse last night.Hung in for most of the game to only go the last 7 minutes of the 4th scoreless.On the plus side Jan Vesely scored 6 pts but only commited 1 foul to even that total at 58-58 for the season(yes he is that bad).Another plus is John Wall is back at practice and should return in 2 weeks.It should mean a few more wins but nothing that really matter in the long run so I hope they limit his minutes and play it smart.4-28 and 15 wins looks to be the ceiling :bag: Thank god the NHL is back so I don't have to watch the Generals anymore :lmao:
How long until spring training?!?
 
From bad to worse last night.Hung in for most of the game to only go the last 7 minutes of the 4th scoreless.On the plus side Jan Vesely scored 6 pts but only commited 1 foul to even that total at 58-58 for the season(yes he is that bad).Another plus is John Wall is back at practice and should return in 2 weeks.It should mean a few more wins but nothing that really matter in the long run so I hope they limit his minutes and play it smart.4-28 and 15 wins looks to be the ceiling :bag: Thank god the NHL is back so I don't have to watch the Generals anymore :lmao:
How long until spring training?!?
Not a big baseball guy but did watch the Nats from time to time.
 
Are the Caps going to be any good this year?!?

Not to say they have to do anything to be better than Les Boulez. Caps would probably have more wins a week or two into the "season."

 
Are the Caps going to be any good this year?!?Not to say they have to do anything to be better than Les Boulez. Caps would probably have more wins a week or two into the "season."
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict a first or second round playoff exit for the Caps.
 
From bad to worse last night.Hung in for most of the game to only go the last 7 minutes of the 4th scoreless.

On the plus side Jan Vesely scored 6 pts but only commited 1 foul to even that total at 58-58 for the season(yes he is that bad).

Another plus is John Wall is back at practice and should return in 2 weeks.It should mean a few more wins but nothing that really matter in the long run so I hope they limit his minutes and play it smart.

4-28 and 15 wins looks to be the ceiling :bag:

Thank god the NHL is back so I don't have to watch the Generals anymore :lmao:
I think I've watched more Wizards games this year than in the previous 15 or so years that I've lived in the Washington area combined. Happy to have the Caps back.
 
What the hell was that? Was that good professional basketball? In Washington? Being played by the home team?
I know right!Maybe 25 wins is within reach now?Pretty brutal 8 game road stretch looming but they could sneak a few wins in the way they are playing.
 
Is it possible that this team, at full health, is...what's the word I'm looking for...good? Is that too much? Ok, how about...decent? Average? Definitely watchable.

 
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Beal and Wall stay healthy, gonna be a fun backcourt to watch for years.They gotta hit on a big in the draft to be good IMO. (Meaning in the upper half of the East)I love me some John Wall. Too good, too talented to get poisoned by the Wizard landscape of years past.

 
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If you missed it, maybe the greatest "Dagger!" call in the long and distinguished career of Steve Buckhantz on Monday night after the Crawford game winner. It's been turned into a ringtone. I'd link them both but my internet is acting funny with media clips today.

 
Come on Wizzards, pass the Cavs, you can do it!I thought it was in the bag when Andy was ruled out for the remainder of the season, then they made the trade with the Grizz.Good road win at Portland by Washington makes it seem like a lock the Wizzards finsish ahead of the Cavs. :wub:

 
I bashed them when they stunk so I will give them the gold clap when they are good and this last stretch of games has them looking at least good.Wall still isn't healthy(still looks fat)but the team around him are finally finding the right mix to at least now win games they were losing.Should pass the Bobcats and Cavs at this rate and 25 wins looks like it has a shot.The Buck call the other night was tremendous(as someone already pointed out.Crawford shoots.........................DAGGERRRR!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao:

 
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7-3 in the last 10 :unsure: Somebody pinch me because they actually look like a real team now.Okafor has turned his game around(please move him)once Nene returned to health and Beal had started to show he belongs even though he has slipped the last few.Kings in town tonight so a W should come :thumbup:

 
Towards the end of last season, I was starting to worry that Wall wasn't special. Sure, he was clearly better than that other guy we took at 1.01, but I was afraid he just wasn't going to be a legit 1.01 type of player. However, I now have hope that me might ascend to that level. He might really be a difference-maker.

 
GENERALS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1-12!!15 point lead with 9 minutes to go in the game for the Zards and they go scoreless for almost 7 minutes to let the Blazers tie the game up but thankfully they pulled it out late and got that 1st win in a very ugly game from both teams with the Blazers shooting a Wizard like 34% from the floor while the Wiz hit on 43% which is actually a good shooting game for them.Even with Wall set to return in the next month I just don't see anything making that big a difference in the win column.Of course they can't continue this putrid pace but 25-30 wins would be the ceiling IMO anyways with everyone healthy.At least they didn't get to that point of all-time worst starts like some were predicting so that's a plus :lmao:
25-30 wins? That would basically mean turning in to a .500 team when Wall returns. I'm not sure Chris Paul or Kyrie Irving could make this a .500 team.
Should have said a full season with a healthy team.25 wins at this point seem like a dream given the lack of talent they have so I was speaking to a full season with both Wall and Nene healthy.Right now I would say 20 would sound about right.
You should have stuck by 25.
 
GENERALS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1-12!!15 point lead with 9 minutes to go in the game for the Zards and they go scoreless for almost 7 minutes to let the Blazers tie the game up but thankfully they pulled it out late and got that 1st win in a very ugly game from both teams with the Blazers shooting a Wizard like 34% from the floor while the Wiz hit on 43% which is actually a good shooting game for them.Even with Wall set to return in the next month I just don't see anything making that big a difference in the win column.Of course they can't continue this putrid pace but 25-30 wins would be the ceiling IMO anyways with everyone healthy.At least they didn't get to that point of all-time worst starts like some were predicting so that's a plus :lmao:
25-30 wins? That would basically mean turning in to a .500 team when Wall returns. I'm not sure Chris Paul or Kyrie Irving could make this a .500 team.
Should have said a full season with a healthy team.25 wins at this point seem like a dream given the lack of talent they have so I was speaking to a full season with both Wall and Nene healthy.Right now I would say 20 would sound about right.
You should have stuck by 25.
Clearly missed on this call.I knew Wall coming back would help but didn't see the other players stepping up as well as they have.Helps the East is so bad but all signs are pointing up for next year with a few more added pieces.
 
Time to start looking forward for this team and it's safe to say Wall and Beal are the starters at PG and SG.

Nene and Webster start at PF and SF and Okafor seems to be slotted in for at least next year as the C.

So the starting 5 should all return so that takes us to the bench.

Seraphin needs to stay,I love his upside but will admit he needs to improve and has to get tougher down low.

Ariza is just too inconsistent for me but I like his D and would be good for a shutdown guy IF they somehow make the playoffs.

Past that Vesely is a bust and has no business in the league.

Singleton,Temple,Martin,Price are easily replaceable and I placed them in order of who I would keep if forced to.

Nene scares the crap out of me with his health concerns so adding another quality big is a must but given the salary that one would command would be tough so they may need to address this need in the draft.And again this comes back to if Grunfeld returns and if he can draft a decent guy.

Wittman has to be given some credit for the turnaround of late but I just don't see him as anything more than a assistant coach at this point so I say he should go.No excuse for how bad they were early on and he was lost trying to figure out anything that would work.

Grunfeld should have already been gone IMO so at this point I will assume he returns since Ted seems happy with the progress.

So a playoff spot is within reach next year given the current core with good health(and that is a big ? at this point).The East is really weak so anywhere from a 5-8 seed seems reasonable.

 
Time to start looking forward for this team and it's safe to say Wall and Beal are the starters at PG and SG.Nene and Webster start at PF and SF and Okafor seems to be slotted in for at least next year as the C.So the starting 5 should all return so that takes us to the bench.Seraphin needs to stay,I love his upside but will admit he needs to improve and has to get tougher down low.Ariza is just too inconsistent for me but I like his D and would be good for a shutdown guy IF they somehow make the playoffs.Past that Vesely is a bust and has no business in the league.Singleton,Temple,Martin,Price are easily replaceable and I placed them in order of who I would keep if forced to.Nene scares the crap out of me with his health concerns so adding another quality big is a must but given the salary that one would command would be tough so they may need to address this need in the draft.And again this comes back to if Grunfeld returns and if he can draft a decent guy.Wittman has to be given some credit for the turnaround of late but I just don't see him as anything more than a assistant coach at this point so I say he should go.No excuse for how bad they were early on and he was lost trying to figure out anything that would work.Grunfeld should have already been gone IMO so at this point I will assume he returns since Ted seems happy with the progress.So a playoff spot is within reach next year given the current core with good health(and that is a big ? at this point).The East is really weak so anywhere from a 5-8 seed seems reasonable.
IMO seraphin is more likely to be in the d league than a rotation player in 3 years. I don't get the love for him at all.
 
IMO seraphin is more likely to be in the d league than a rotation player in 3 years. I don't get the love for him at all.
He has been frustrating to watch and understand all his critics because I see the same things but I also see a guy who does have some offensive skills that could be a help given the team really has no bigs behind the starters that are worth even considering.Booker(who I forgot earlier)is a dirty work type of player but has very limited offensive skills so I view Seraphin as a guy who given the right coaching and improvement could step in to a role on a good team.You could be right on him and it would not shock me but I'm just not ready to give up on him yet.
 
IMO seraphin is more likely to be in the d league than a rotation player in 3 years. I don't get the love for him at all.
He has been frustrating to watch and understand all his critics because I see the same things but I also see a guy who does have some offensive skills that could be a help given the team really has no bigs behind the starters that are worth even considering.Booker(who I forgot earlier)is a dirty work type of player but has very limited offensive skills so I view Seraphin as a guy who given the right coaching and improvement could step in to a role on a good team.You could be right on him and it would not shock me but I'm just not ready to give up on him yet.
His only move is that half hook. Can't pass, shoot, and has no other offensive moves and isn't a great defender. He's got a lot of work to do to stay in the league. Booker doesn't have any special skills but has a good enough motor that he can be the 8th man on a playoff team.
 
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IMO seraphin is more likely to be in the d league than a rotation player in 3 years. I don't get the love for him at all.
He has been frustrating to watch and understand all his critics because I see the same things but I also see a guy who does have some offensive skills that could be a help given the team really has no bigs behind the starters that are worth even considering.Booker(who I forgot earlier)is a dirty work type of player but has very limited offensive skills so I view Seraphin as a guy who given the right coaching and improvement could step in to a role on a good team.You could be right on him and it would not shock me but I'm just not ready to give up on him yet.
His only move is that half hook. Can't pass, shoot, and has no other offensive moves and isn't a great defender. He's got a lot of work to do to stay in the league. Booker doesn't have any special skills but has a good enough motor that he can be the 8th man on a playoff team.
Fair enough and agree with most of it.I just think that at 2.7 mill for next season he is worth trying to develop but again I may be in the minority on that thinking.Would love to hear what you would do with this roster if you get a chance.
 
IMO seraphin is more likely to be in the d league than a rotation player in 3 years. I don't get the love for him at all.
He has been frustrating to watch and understand all his critics because I see the same things but I also see a guy who does have some offensive skills that could be a help given the team really has no bigs behind the starters that are worth even considering.Booker(who I forgot earlier)is a dirty work type of player but has very limited offensive skills so I view Seraphin as a guy who given the right coaching and improvement could step in to a role on a good team.You could be right on him and it would not shock me but I'm just not ready to give up on him yet.
His only move is that half hook. Can't pass, shoot, and has no other offensive moves and isn't a great defender. He's got a lot of work to do to stay in the league. Booker doesn't have any special skills but has a good enough motor that he can be the 8th man on a playoff team.
Fair enough and agree with most of it.I just think that at 2.7 mill for next season he is worth trying to develop but again I may be in the minority on that thinking.Would love to hear what you would do with this roster if you get a chance.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't cut him loose for nothing, I was just discussing his probable upside. With wall, okafor and nene all getting (and deserving) big minutes, they need to surround those guys with shooters. They desperately need a third big - undersized fours who can shoot seem to be around in the draft every year. They can get away with that as long as nene and okafor are healthy. Other than that you just hope beal keeps developing and that wall can find at least a couple spots on the floor where he is a consistent threat shooting.
 

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