Rex Grossman predicts Redskins will win NFC East (1 Viewer)

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The Washington Redskins haven't won the NFC East since 1999. A confident Rex Grossman believes that drought will come to an end this season.

The defending division champion Philadelphia Eagles have grabbed the offseason headlines with their free-agent spending spree, which included CB Nnamdi Asomugha, DT Cullen Jenkins and DE Jason Babin, and the talented Dallas Cowboys are a candidate to rebound with new coach Jason Garrett and a healthy Tony Romo at quarterback. The New York Giants won the division as recently as 2008 and are the last NFC East team to win the Super Bowl.

But Grossman says the team no one is talking about will come out on top.

"We're fine being the sleepers right now," Grossman said Tuesday in an interview with Comcast SportsNet. "You know, we're just waiting in the wings, ready to take over the NFC East.

"Nobody's talking about us. That's right where we want to be. You look at us from top to bottom out here, there's a bunch of great players. And we don't need people saying we're the best right now, but when it's all said and done, I really feel like this team's gonna win the East."

Grossman, who is listed at No. 1 on the Redskins' depth chart at the quarterback position, was the starter for the Chicago Bears when they played in the Super Bowl in the 2006 season. He says the Redskins' offensive talent is better than the offense he led in Chicago.

"I look around, this offense from top to bottom is better than that offense I had in Chicago," Grossman said. "The defense is gonna make a ton of strides this year. I know they are. It's gonna be fun. I know we're gonna be a good team."

Giants defensive end Justin Tuck, when asked to respond to Grossman's comments, told reporters Wednesday that he "couldn't care less."

While Grossman is talking big, he's not guaranteed to be the Redskins' starting quarterback. John Beck also has a chance to start at quarterback this season, but a groin injury has slowed him in training camp. Coach Mike Shanahan had praised Beck in April, and the quarterback said during the lockout that he was approaching the season as if he were the team's starter.

The Redskins finished 6-10 last season, their first under Shanahan. Their last winning season was in 2007, when the team made the playoffs as a wild card under former coach Joe Gibbs.

The Redskins have undergone a transformation this offseason. Gone are Donovan McNabb, Albert Haynesworth and Clinton Portis. Several players have been added to the roster through free agency and trades.

Donte' Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney were added to the receiving corps, and top wideout Santana Moss was re-signed.

In the backfield, Tim Hightower was acquired in a trade with Arizona and can give Ryan Torain a break on third down and step in if Torain, who missed four games in 2010 with a hamstring injury, gets hurt again.

On defense, ex-Giant Barry Cofield is an upgrade at nose tackle, the position Haynesworth refused to play. The Redskins also improved at defensive end, signing ex-Cowboy Stephen Bowen.

Cornerback Josh Wilson and safety O.J. Atogwe were added to strengthen the secondary.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I can't see them snatching 3rd place, much less 1st. PHI, NYG and DAL are legit playoff contenders, WAS.....not so much.

 

[VaTerp]

As a lifelong Redskins fans who spent 3 years listening to Chicago sportstalk radio when Grossman was there I can say three things with great confidence:

1) The Skins will NOT win the division

2) Grossman is a bad QB (adequate backup, horrible starter)

3) Grossman is an idiot

That's all

 

[King of the Jungle]

As a lifelong Redskins fans who spent 3 years listening to Chicago sportstalk radio when Grossman was there I can say three things with great confidence:1) The Skins will NOT win the division2) Grossman is a bad QB (adequate backup, horrible starter)3) Grossman is an idiotThat's all

 

[CentralPA]

I like the confidence but I don't see how unless they get a couple of lucky breaks how they are not the NFC East cellar dwellers yet again.

 

[Golden Mike Tomczak]

I think I could start over Grossman...Does he realize how bad the skins are? Paired with his own lack of skills, Im calling for another miserable season.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'll say this. As a Redskins fan, the only team in the nfc east that I'm worried about is the Giants. I don't see Philly making the playoffs. Dallas has done absolutely nothing to improve since last year -- they're definitely the favorites for last place in the division.

While I think the Giants will win the division, the Redskins have the second best shot.

 

[mr roboto]

I'll say this. As a Redskins fan, the only team in the nfc east that I'm worried about is the Giants. I don't see Philly making the playoffs. Dallas has done absolutely nothing to improve since last year -- they're definitely the favorites for last place in the division.

While I think the Giants will win the division, the Redskins have the second best shot.

Why not the Eagles?Dallas has Romo back.

I hope this post is schtick.

 

[Tickle Monster]

I'll say this. As a Redskins fan, the only team in the nfc east that I'm worried about is the Giants. I don't see Philly making the playoffs. Dallas has done absolutely nothing to improve since last year -- they're definitely the favorites for last place in the division.While I think the Giants will win the division, the Redskins have the second best shot.

Hmmm.....

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Wow.

I think it's an iron clad lock that the Redskins finish dead last in the NFC East.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'll say this. As a Redskins fan, the only team in the nfc east that I'm worried about is the Giants. I don't see Philly making the playoffs. Dallas has done absolutely nothing to improve since last year -- they're definitely the favorites for last place in the division.

While I think the Giants will win the division, the Redskins have the second best shot.

Why not the Eagles?

Why not the Redskins every year they've gone on a FA frenzy in the past? The same logic applies.

Dallas has Romo back.

I know, but the Cowboys actually had a better record with Kitna as a starter last year. And their oline isn't any better, so there's a good chance Romo could get hurt again this year. But offense isn't their main issue. That would be their defense which is going to be one of the worst in the league. I like Rob Ryan, but in his defense, you need very good cb's who can cover, which Dallas doesn't have. In fact, their secondary is flat out atrocious. And their dline will be worse this year as well.

Pro tip: Bet the over in Dallas games early and often this year.

I hope this post is schtick.

Nope. 100% legit. Classic group think has taken over wrt the Redskin season predictions.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Why not the Redskins every year they've gone on a FA frenzy in the past? The same logic applies.

The Eagles offense is virtually identical to what they had last year (pending Maclin's health issues). The FA aquisitions on D include a DE that is very familiar with the scheme because he played on the team two years ago, a DT who also played in a similar scheme and the best CB in the league. Your 'logic' makes very little sense. This wasn't the traditional Skins way of flinging poo at a wall to see what sticks or trying to fit a round peg in a square hole (Fat Albert), this were VERY well thought out and calculated moves that were planned out over the lockout.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

"Nobody's talking about us. That's right where we want to be. You look at us from top to bottom out here, there's a bunch of great players. And we don't need people saying we're the best right now, but when it's all said and done, I really feel like this team's gonna win the East."

Well Grossman is known for his bonehead decisions.

 

[flapgreen]

Lol

 

[sihaokills]

Grossman is out of his mind

 

[Novice2]

"Nobody's talking about us. That's right where we want to be. You look at us from top to bottom out here, there's a bunch of great players. And we don't need people saying we're the best right now, but when it's all said and done, I really feel like this team's gonna win the East in 2013 by getting Andrew Luck in the 2012 draft baby!!!!!

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I think I could start over Grossman...Does he realize how bad the skins are? Paired with his own lack of skills, Im calling for another miserable season.

Who wouldn't you start over though(cuz we all know this is really you, Mike Tomczak. You can stop pretending)?- "Ken Doll" looks? Check

- Perfect hair? Check

- Able to nimbly absorb verbal abuse from the likes of Mike Ditka and The Chin as easily as you'd absorbed sacks, all without mussing a single lock of said perfect hair? Check.

- Can suavely dialogue not only the media and coaching staff, but also the honeys? Check

Rexxy couldn't carry your golden-coifed jockstrap, Mike.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Why not the Redskins every year they've gone on a FA frenzy in the past? The same logic applies.

The Eagles offense is virtually identical to what they had last year (pending Maclin's health issues). The FA aquisitions on D include a DE that is very familiar with the scheme because he played on the team two years ago, a DT who also played in a similar scheme and the best CB in the league. Your 'logic' makes very little sense. This wasn't the traditional Skins way of flinging poo at a wall to see what sticks or trying to fit a round peg in a square hole (Fat Albert), this were VERY well thought out and calculated moves that were planned out over the lockout.

I completely disagree, but don't have time to refute your points at the moment (i.e. they were running the 4-3 when they signed Fat Albert, etc.). The same logic DOES apply.You can go ahead and bump this this thread after the season. Actually, I'm pretty confident I'll be the one bumping it.

 

[VaTerp]

Dexter, I love you man. You were a great sack artist and really nice guy at heart. But we all know you are not the brightest bulb in the box and you have an affinity for the nose candy.

1) Difference between Eagles and Skins' spending sprees is that the Eagles are coming off a division championship. Something we haven't done since 99', the year before the original Snyder spree. Also, we typically have signed guys that were past their prime or had other concerns. The Eagles signings this year don't fit the same bill. Not to mention that they are adding FAs to a what was a very young team. The Skins were usually adding guys to one of the oldest rosters in the league. In no way is Philly guaranteed anything this year but to compare them to the Skins of years past is laughable.

2) Dallas' defense was historically bad last year but they still finished above us in the division and their D ranked 8 spots higher than ours in yardage rankings. While our defense looks to be much improved, they didnt have much room to go but up after ranking 2nd to last in the entire league last year. And their offense and overall talent level are considerable above ours in the eyes of just about every objective league observer. To say they are the favorites for the bottom of the division when we have finished last 3 years in a row and will be trotting out Grossman or Beck as our starting QB is just not a well thought out position.

3) Did I mention that we will be trotting out Rex Grossman or John Beck as our starting QB this year. We have lost 9 of the last 10 against the Giants. And again, have finished last place for the last 3 years in a row. Also, did I mention that either Rex Grossman or John Beck will be the starting QB.

Saying the Redskins are more likely to finish at the bottom of the division again than they are to win it, or even finish 2nd, is NOT group think. It's common sense!

Signed,

Redskin fan since watching John Riggins win Super Bowl MVP at the age of 4 and currently typing this at one of my offices 4 miles away from Redskins Park

 

[Saint]

Dexter, are you really Rex in disguise?

 

[Donnybrook]

"I look around, this offense from top to bottom is better than that offense I had in Chicago," Grossman said.....

Wow. Better than the 15th ranked offense he had in Chicago. He acts like defense and special teams weren't the driving force behind the Chicago superbowl run. It makes me want to root for John Beck.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

What were you people expecting him to say?

"Yeah we suck, we're probably going to win like 4 games this year. This whole franchise is garbage, there's no talent. I wish I was back in Chicago so the defense could carry me to another Super Bowl"?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

What were you people expecting him to say? "Yeah we suck, we're probably going to win like 4 games this year. This whole franchise is garbage, there's no talent. I wish I was back in Chicago so the defense could carry me to another Super Bowl"?

Uhhhh, you can always say nothing.There are plenty of things he could have said other than that idiotic comment.

 

[joffer]

I'll say this. As a Redskins fan, the only team in the nfc east that I'm worried about is the Giants. I don't see Philly making the playoffs. Dallas has done absolutely nothing to improve since last year -- they're definitely the favorites for last place in the division.

While I think the Giants will win the division, the Redskins have the second best shot.

Why not the Eagles?

Why not the Redskins every year they've gone on a FA frenzy in the past? The same logic applies.

it really doesn't

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

 

[Manster]

As a lifelong Redskins fans who spent 3 years listening to Chicago sportstalk radio when Grossman was there I can say three things with great confidence:

1) The Skins will NOT win the division

2) Grossman is a bad QB (adequate backup, horrible starter)

3) Grossman is an idiot

That's all

Agree with all the above. Rex never seemed like the sharpest tool in the shed.

I'll say this. As a Redskins fan, the only team in the nfc east that I'm worried about is the Giants. I don't see Philly making the playoffs. Dallas has done absolutely nothing to improve since last year -- they're definitely the favorites for last place in the division.While I think the Giants will win the division, the Redskins have the second best shot.

I'm not sure what the Cowboys are gonna do, but I'd be very surprised if they finished last or behind the skins. They are heading in a good direction, IMO. Garrett in his 1st full year as HC, Rob Ryan's aggressive D. Romo healthy with a kinda scary offense. I think the O-line will be better, or at least younger and more athletic. The secondary is a concern. We shall see.

So how do the 'skins have the "second best shot" at the NFC East. Please enlighten us.

 

[Late225]

As an Eagles fan, I know that the NFC East is always unpredictable and competitive. Any team can win any game and any team can win the division in any given year.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

They couldn't keep him. The Raiders are still 3 mil over the cap last I heard.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

He signed a contract that only guarentees one year. The rest are club options. Also took less money to stay with the D cordinator he's comfortable with.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

Incorrect. Reports are he turned down offers to several clubs and took the Eagles offer simply because he wanted to win. I'm certain CIN and SEA were two of them, can't remember who else off the top of my head.

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

No arguement from me, I don't like the deal. I see why they did it, but I don't like it.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

Brown won't be the main guy in PHI. He'll play the goal line back and fill a need that's been sorely lacking on the team for years. Brown has always had a nose for the end zone.

The biggest thing though is that, except for Aso, these are all basically 1 year contracts with club options for future years. If it were the Skins making these deals, they'd all be 4 year deals with huge signing bonuses. That's why PHI has been perrinial playoff contenders the past decade and WAS, well, isn't.

 

[unckeyherb]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.Then I would say the Redskins.That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles. Not the same at all.

 

[joffer]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

well, as long as you're being objective

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

They couldn't keep him. The Raiders are still 3 mil over the cap last I heard.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

He signed a contract that only guarentees one year. The rest are club options. Also took less money to stay with the D cordinator he's comfortable with.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

Incorrect. Reports are he turned down offers to several clubs and took the Eagles offer simply because he wanted to win. I'm certain CIN and SEA were two of them, can't remember who else off the top of my head.

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

No arguement from me, I don't like the deal. I see why they did it, but I don't like it.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

Brown won't be the main guy in PHI. He'll play the goal line back and fill a need that's been sorely lacking on the team for years. Brown has always had a nose for the end zone.

The biggest thing though is that, except for Aso, these are all basically 1 year contracts with club options for future years. If it were the Skins making these deals, they'd all be 4 year deals with huge signing bonuses. That's why PHI has been perrinial playoff contenders the past decade and WAS, well, isn't.

I understand that Philly was smart to make virtually all of these basically 1 year deals, so when they cut some of these guys after this likely disappointing season, they'll still be in good shape vs. the cap. And fwiw, I thought they were genius in how they raped AZ in the Kolb trade.Also, part of the reason the Raiders are over the cap is because they paid a boatload of $$$ to their other cb rather than trying to retain alphabet soup.

But if you just woke up from a 3 week nap, and I told you a team signed all of these guys, would you honestly be more inclined to intially think Philly did this, rather than Washington?

These moves are straight out of the old school Daniel Snyder playbook.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.Then I would say the Redskins.That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles. Not the same at all.

How many teams that have gone on a FA binge like this have followed it up by having a successful season (i.e. playoffs)?And what the Eagles did 10 or even 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening this season. How many of the same players are even still on Philly from 5 years ago? Talk about horribly flawed logic...

 

[Joe Summer]

Grossman must believe he's on the trading block.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

well, as long as you're being objective

I'm going to assume you're being serious since you didn't post a rebuttal.And fwiw, I already stated that I loved how they got over on AZ in the Kolb trade.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

They couldn't keep him. The Raiders are still 3 mil over the cap last I heard.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

He signed a contract that only guarentees one year. The rest are club options. Also took less money to stay with the D cordinator he's comfortable with.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

Incorrect. Reports are he turned down offers to several clubs and took the Eagles offer simply because he wanted to win. I'm certain CIN and SEA were two of them, can't remember who else off the top of my head.

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

No arguement from me, I don't like the deal. I see why they did it, but I don't like it.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

Brown won't be the main guy in PHI. He'll play the goal line back and fill a need that's been sorely lacking on the team for years. Brown has always had a nose for the end zone.

The biggest thing though is that, except for Aso, these are all basically 1 year contracts with club options for future years. If it were the Skins making these deals, they'd all be 4 year deals with huge signing bonuses. That's why PHI has been perrinial playoff contenders the past decade and WAS, well, isn't.

I understand that Philly was smart to make virtually all of these basically 1 year deals, so when they cut some of these guys after this likely disappointing season, they'll still be in good shape vs. the cap. And fwiw, I thought they were genius in how they raped AZ in the Kolb trade.Also, part of the reason the Raiders are over the cap is because they paid a boatload of $$$ to their other cb rather than trying to retain alphabet soup.

But if you just woke up from a 3 week nap, and I told you a team signed all of these guys, would you honestly be more inclined to intially think Philly did this, rather than Washington?

These moves are straight out of the old school Daniel Snyder playbook.

If I woke up from a three month coma to you pointing a gun to my head, naming those names, and saying "who signed all of them, the Eagles or Redskins? Wrong answer and I pull the trigger" I'd say the Skins. That being said, yes, when the Eagles make FA signings, I tend to trust them more than the Skins. They have more than a decade's track record behind them that supports that trust. The Skins have basically nothing but burnt cash.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.

Then I would say the Redskins.

That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles.

Not the same at all.

How many teams that have gone on a FA binge like this have followed it up by having a successful season (i.e. playoffs)?And what the Eagles did 10 or even 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening this season. How many of the same players are even still on Philly from 5 years ago? Talk about horribly flawed logic...

You keep going back to this and it's flawed thinking. The Eagles were/are already a playoff team without those FA moves. The offense is basically the same except for the addition of Brown (and RBs have a traditionally low learning curve). They put up monster numbers last year and there is no reason to believe they won't now unless you're predicting Vick goes down for the season week 3. On D, most of the main components are still there except they added the best pass rushing DT on the market, the best CB in football and a DE coming off a pro bowl season. They also get Brandon Graham back and traded for a CB that's a year removed from a PB appearance that's going to be their NICKLE CB.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.

Then I would say the Redskins.

That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles.

Not the same at all.

How many teams that have gone on a FA binge like this have followed it up by having a successful season (i.e. playoffs)?And what the Eagles did 10 or even 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening this season. How many of the same players are even still on Philly from 5 years ago? Talk about horribly flawed logic...

You keep going back to this and it's flawed thinking. The Eagles were/are already a playoff team without those FA moves. The offense is basically the same except for the addition of Brown (and RBs have a traditionally low learning curve). They put up monster numbers last year and there is no reason to believe they won't now unless you're predicting Vick goes down for the season week 3. On D, most of the main components are still there except they added the best pass rushing DT on the market, the best CB in football and a DE coming off a pro bowl season. They also get Brandon Graham back and traded for a CB that's a year removed from a PB appearance that's going to be their NICKLE CB.

For the most part I agree with you, and I'm a Redskins fan. But one minor issue- it wouldn't take a Vick injury to downgrade their offense. All it would take is Vick returning to his Atlanta production. His completion percentages and his interception rate were both ridiculous and way out of line with his career numbers before he went to jail, which were pretty consistent. A lot of observers think that while his discipline and skills improved, he also got very lucky, with a lot of dropped INTs and passes thrown into tight coverage that ended up as catches. Also, Vick is 31. A lot of the great scrambling QBs in history, guys like Tarkenton, McNabb, Cunningham, etc. saw dropoffs in their rushing around that age. Although Steve Young kept doing it well into his 30s, maybe because of a lack of wear and tear from sitting behind Montana. Maybe Vick's prison stint will have a similar effect on him.

 

[Eastwood]

I wish I had your confidence. Life long Skins fan, and I'd be amazed if we didn't finish dead last.

I also see the Eagles winning the division.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

They couldn't keep him. The Raiders are still 3 mil over the cap last I heard.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

He signed a contract that only guarentees one year. The rest are club options. Also took less money to stay with the D cordinator he's comfortable with.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

Incorrect. Reports are he turned down offers to several clubs and took the Eagles offer simply because he wanted to win. I'm certain CIN and SEA were two of them, can't remember who else off the top of my head.

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

No arguement from me, I don't like the deal. I see why they did it, but I don't like it.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

Brown won't be the main guy in PHI. He'll play the goal line back and fill a need that's been sorely lacking on the team for years. Brown has always had a nose for the end zone.

The biggest thing though is that, except for Aso, these are all basically 1 year contracts with club options for future years. If it were the Skins making these deals, they'd all be 4 year deals with huge signing bonuses. That's why PHI has been perrinial playoff contenders the past decade and WAS, well, isn't.

I understand that Philly was smart to make virtually all of these basically 1 year deals, so when they cut some of these guys after this likely disappointing season, they'll still be in good shape vs. the cap. And fwiw, I thought they were genius in how they raped AZ in the Kolb trade.Also, part of the reason the Raiders are over the cap is because they paid a boatload of $$$ to their other cb rather than trying to retain alphabet soup.

But if you just woke up from a 3 week nap, and I told you a team signed all of these guys, would you honestly be more inclined to intially think Philly did this, rather than Washington?

These moves are straight out of the old school Daniel Snyder playbook.

If I woke up from a three month coma to you pointing a gun to my head, naming those names, and saying "who signed all of them, the Eagles or Redskins? Wrong answer and I pull the trigger" I'd say the Skins. That being said, yes, when the Eagles make FA signings, I tend to trust them more than the Skins. They have more than a decade's track record behind them that supports that trust. The Skins have basically nothing but burnt cash.

Prior to this offseason, I trusted Philly's front office much more than Washington's too.

 

[Snotbubbles]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.Then I would say the Redskins.That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles. Not the same at all.

How many teams that have gone on a FA binge like this have followed it up by having a successful season (i.e. playoffs)?And what the Eagles did 10 or even 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening this season. How many of the same players are even still on Philly from 5 years ago? Talk about horribly flawed logic...

Sort of similar to NO in the 2008 offseason. The Saint got rid of their D coordinator and brought in Greg Williams (Eagles get a new D coordinator Juan Castillo). Then they signed Darren Sharper who ended up as an all-pro (Eagles signed Nnamdi Asomugha). They also signed defensive guys in Jabari Greer CB, Paul Spicer DT, Pierson Prioleau SS and Anthony Hargrove DT (Eagles sign Jenkins, Hargrove, Babin, Page, Landri). The Saints also brought in depth offensive guys Kyle Eckel FB, Nick Leckey C and Darnell Dinkins TE (Brown, Harris, Young, Higgins, Lee).

 

[Red Forman]

The Skins will take dead last and Skeletor will be fired.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I don't see the skins making the playoffs, but I don't see them being nearly as bad as they are being made out to be. I think Shanahan is a good coach, and they have SOME talent. They will be in games.

They beat both the Eagles and the Packers last year, and they have made some improvements. They will also have another year "in the system" which tends to help more than folks realize.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The Skins will take dead last and Skeletor will be fired.

I only agree with the first part. Shanahan has a very long leash with the front office, different than any other coach of the Snyder era as far as I remember except Gibbs of course. I think they'll come in around 4-12 or 5-11, but Shanahan won't get fired unless they don't show improvement in 2012-13.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.

Then I would say the Redskins.

That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles.

Not the same at all.

How many teams that have gone on a FA binge like this have followed it up by having a successful season (i.e. playoffs)?And what the Eagles did 10 or even 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening this season. How many of the same players are even still on Philly from 5 years ago? Talk about horribly flawed logic...

You keep going back to this and it's flawed thinking. The Eagles were/are already a playoff team without those FA moves. The offense is basically the same except for the addition of Brown (and RBs have a traditionally low learning curve). They put up monster numbers last year and there is no reason to believe they won't now unless you're predicting Vick goes down for the season week 3. On D, most of the main components are still there except they added the best pass rushing DT on the market, the best CB in football and a DE coming off a pro bowl season. They also get Brandon Graham back and traded for a CB that's a year removed from a PB appearance that's going to be their NICKLE CB.

Actually, no, it's not flawed. This isn't baseball or basketball, where it has been proven that teams can add a bunch of stars in the offseason and be immediately successful. The NFL is a completely different animal. This year with no formal offseason program and a condensed training camp, it's only going to be more difficult to make the old school Dan Snyder type of plan work.

Also, I think a lot of people are overestimating how good Philly actually was last season. If Philly didn't have that miracle comeback against the Giants in week 15 last year, they almost certainly wouldn't have won the division and might not of even made the playoffs.

I'm also not sold that Vick is going to put up the monster #'s he did last year. IMO, it would be an upset for him not to regress towards the mean wrt his production. And that's assuming that Maclin is 100%.

Finally, I'm not saying Philly is going to be terrible this year. I expect them to be competitive. I think they're going to be a .500ish team. Probably, somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7. I don't think they make the playoffs. I expect somewhat similar results for the Redskins, which is why I'm not worried about Philly. The only team that worries me is the Giants, who I think are clearly the class of the division this year, as I said earlier.

 

[dhockster]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

They couldn't keep him. The Raiders are still 3 mil over the cap last I heard.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

He signed a contract that only guarentees one year. The rest are club options. Also took less money to stay with the D cordinator he's comfortable with.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

Incorrect. Reports are he turned down offers to several clubs and took the Eagles offer simply because he wanted to win. I'm certain CIN and SEA were two of them, can't remember who else off the top of my head.

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

No arguement from me, I don't like the deal. I see why they did it, but I don't like it.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

Brown won't be the main guy in PHI. He'll play the goal line back and fill a need that's been sorely lacking on the team for years. Brown has always had a nose for the end zone.

The biggest thing though is that, except for Aso, these are all basically 1 year contracts with club options for future years. If it were the Skins making these deals, they'd all be 4 year deals with huge signing bonuses. That's why PHI has been perrinial playoff contenders the past decade and WAS, well, isn't.

I understand that Philly was smart to make virtually all of these basically 1 year deals, so when they cut some of these guys after this likely disappointing season, they'll still be in good shape vs. the cap. And fwiw, I thought they were genius in how they raped AZ in the Kolb trade.Also, part of the reason the Raiders are over the cap is because they paid a boatload of $$$ to their other cb rather than trying to retain alphabet soup.

But if you just woke up from a 3 week nap, and I told you a team signed all of these guys, would you honestly be more inclined to intially think Philly did this, rather than Washington?

These moves are straight out of the old school Daniel Snyder playbook.

If I woke up from a three month coma to you pointing a gun to my head, naming those names, and saying "who signed all of them, the Eagles or Redskins? Wrong answer and I pull the trigger" I'd say the Skins. That being said, yes, when the Eagles make FA signings, I tend to trust them more than the Skins. They have more than a decade's track record behind them that supports that trust. The Skins have basically nothing but burnt cash.

Prior to this offseason, I trusted Philly's front office much more than Washington's too.

In case you forgot, before the 2004 season, Philadelphia traded for T.O. and signed Jevon Kearse, who was possibly the biggest FA on the market. That team won the division the year before and then in 2004 went to the Superbowl.So the Redskins lack of success in signing big name free agents does not necessarily translate to other teams.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.Then I would say the Redskins.That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles. Not the same at all.

How many teams that have gone on a FA binge like this have followed it up by having a successful season (i.e. playoffs)?And what the Eagles did 10 or even 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening this season. How many of the same players are even still on Philly from 5 years ago? Talk about horribly flawed logic...

Sort of similar to NO in the 2008 offseason. The Saint got rid of their D coordinator and brought in Greg Williams (Eagles get a new D coordinator Juan Castillo). Then they signed Darren Sharper who ended up as an all-pro (Eagles signed Nnamdi Asomugha). They also signed defensive guys in Jabari Greer CB, Paul Spicer DT, Pierson Prioleau SS and Anthony Hargrove DT (Eagles sign Jenkins, Hargrove, Babin, Page, Landri). The Saints also brought in depth offensive guys Kyle Eckel FB, Nick Leckey C and Darnell Dinkins TE (Brown, Harris, Young, Higgins, Lee).

No, they're not similar at all. You're really comparing the signing of Darren Sharper to the signing of Aso?And Greg Williams was already established as one of the best DC's in the league (who had head coaching experience as well) when he came to NO. You're seriously comparing him to Castillo, who has never been a DC? Actually, I'm under the impression he has always been an offensive coach. Is this not his first year coaching on the defensive side of the ball?

 

[Dexter Manley]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?

- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.

They couldn't keep him. The Raiders are still 3 mil over the cap last I heard.

- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.

He signed a contract that only guarentees one year. The rest are club options. Also took less money to stay with the D cordinator he's comfortable with.

- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).

Incorrect. Reports are he turned down offers to several clubs and took the Eagles offer simply because he wanted to win. I'm certain CIN and SEA were two of them, can't remember who else off the top of my head.

- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.

No arguement from me, I don't like the deal. I see why they did it, but I don't like it.

- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

Brown won't be the main guy in PHI. He'll play the goal line back and fill a need that's been sorely lacking on the team for years. Brown has always had a nose for the end zone.

The biggest thing though is that, except for Aso, these are all basically 1 year contracts with club options for future years. If it were the Skins making these deals, they'd all be 4 year deals with huge signing bonuses. That's why PHI has been perrinial playoff contenders the past decade and WAS, well, isn't.

I understand that Philly was smart to make virtually all of these basically 1 year deals, so when they cut some of these guys after this likely disappointing season, they'll still be in good shape vs. the cap. And fwiw, I thought they were genius in how they raped AZ in the Kolb trade.Also, part of the reason the Raiders are over the cap is because they paid a boatload of $$$ to their other cb rather than trying to retain alphabet soup.

But if you just woke up from a 3 week nap, and I told you a team signed all of these guys, would you honestly be more inclined to intially think Philly did this, rather than Washington?

These moves are straight out of the old school Daniel Snyder playbook.

If I woke up from a three month coma to you pointing a gun to my head, naming those names, and saying "who signed all of them, the Eagles or Redskins? Wrong answer and I pull the trigger" I'd say the Skins. That being said, yes, when the Eagles make FA signings, I tend to trust them more than the Skins. They have more than a decade's track record behind them that supports that trust. The Skins have basically nothing but burnt cash.

Prior to this offseason, I trusted Philly's front office much more than Washington's too.

In case you forgot, before the 2004 season, Philadelphia traded for T.O. and signed Jevon Kearse, who was possibly the biggest FA on the market. That team won the division the year before and then in 2004 went to the Superbowl.

That's not even close to what they've done this year via FA and trade.If they made the Kolb trade and had only signed one major FA we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[unckeyherb]

If no one in the shark pool knew what actually happened recently in FA recently and I gave them these facts, what team do you think would get the most guesses as being behind these moves?- Signed the premiere FA on the market, a CB who's about to turn 30 whose own team didn't really even try to retain him, to a huge deal with lots of guaranteed $.- Overpaid a one year wonder DE who's on the wrong side of 30.- Signed an oft injured DT coming off a career year when he knew he would hit FA, to more $$$ than any other team was offering (who will turn 30 in January).- Signed a QB, who got cut by the team that drafted him 3rd overall because he's an immature headcase, to a 1 year nearly 5 million dollar deal.- Signed other "name" FA's that aren't very good to 1 year deals.

You forgot to add:- Hasn't sniffed the top spot in the NFC East in over a decade.Then I would say the Redskins.That's why your logic and the comparison is flawed. Even if every one of those FA acquisitions do NOTHING this year for the Birds (which is ridiculous to say) they are still the same team that won the division last year and have been in the running year after year for the entirety of Reid's tenure. The redskins at their core are not good. Adding a big name FA won't change that. The eagles have been the class of the division, winning 6 out of the last 10 NFC East titles. Not the same at all.

How many teams that have gone on a FA binge like this have followed it up by having a successful season (i.e. playoffs)?And what the Eagles did 10 or even 5 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what's happening this season. How many of the same players are even still on Philly from 5 years ago? Talk about horribly flawed logic...

Philly won the NFC East last year, with arguably one of the best offenses in the NFL (whose contributors are all returning this year, BTW). What are you talking about?Also, 2004-05 Eagles season, they picked up the two biggest FA's on the market-Javon Kearse and Terrell Owens. Go check to see how successful that season was and get back to me. ETA, I didn't see that someone already pointed this out. By your standards this is the same thing. They went out, threw a ton of money at the absolute best players available. No different then as now. They damn-near won the Super Bowl that year.

 

[Red Forman]

The Skins will take dead last and Skeletor will be fired.

I only agree with the first part. Shanahan has a very long leash with the front office, different than any other coach of the Snyder era as far as I remember except Gibbs of course. I think they'll come in around 4-12 or 5-11, but Shanahan won't get fired unless they don't show improvement in 2012-13.

Shanahan? I said Skeletor. He's an assistant equipment manager.

 

[Jeremy]

Apparently Grossman wasn't in on the planning meeting for "Operation: Andrew Luck". There were many good QBs on the market and they're rolling with you, Grossman. What does that tell you?