Rex Ryan cannot call a timeout (1 Viewer)

[cobalt_27]

Just interesting that Rex Ryan was the one who called a timeout on that 4th down play that stuffed Brady. But, he can't.

Thanks to Maurile posting the NFL Rulebook, Rule 4, Section 5, Article 1 reads:

The Referee shall suspend play while the ball is dead and declare a charged team timeout upon the request for a timeout by the head coach or any player to any official.

Rex Ryan is neither the head coach, nor any player. So, should the refs have called a timeout?

 

[nibbomydaets]

Allegedly, there a lot going on with the refs last night.

Thats on the refs. The same ref who let Ryan call the TO, was the same ref who was arguing with Rolle and the other Ravens right before Bart Scott lost his mind.

 

[David Yudkin]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.

What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

 

[cobalt_27]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

Monumental mistake by the refs.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

well since rex ryan coaches the defense and seemingly is the only ravens coach who knows what the hell he's doing for the ravens the past 8years(seemingly billick and the revolving OC don't) possibly the ref thought he was the head coach.

 

[David Yudkin]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

See, I don't buy this argument, because if that play went for a TD and the refs DIDN'T call time out people would be screaming that they HAD called timeout.They mentioned that it is unreasonable to expect a ref who is watching the action on the field to verbally recognize someone running up to him screaming timeout within a split second before the play is snapped.People can whine about a lot of plays, but this one should not be one of them. It was clear that the Ravens asked for and were granted a timeout.

 

[TxBuckeye]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

See, I don't buy this argument, because if that play went for a TD and the refs DIDN'T call time out people wpuld be screaming that they HAD called timeout.They mentioned that it is unreasonable to expect a ref who is watching the action on the field to verbally recognize someone running up to him screaming timeout within a split second before the play is snapped.People can whine about a lot of plays, but this one should not be one of them. It was clear that the Ravens asked for and were granted a timeout.

Agreed. I'm sure this happens all the time. I know I've seen other coaches granted TO's before. It's a shame the Defensive Coordinator didn't trust his D enough to let them run the play.

 

[Tom Servo]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.

What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

See, I don't buy this argument, because if that play went for a TD and the refs DIDN'T call time out people wpuld be screaming that they HAD called timeout.They mentioned that it is unreasonable to expect a ref who is watching the action on the field to verbally recognize someone running up to him screaming timeout within a split second before the play is snapped.

People can whine about a lot of plays, but this one should not be one of them. It was clear that the Ravens asked for and were granted a timeout.

Agreed. I'm sure this happens all the time. I know I've seen other coaches granted TO's before. It's a shame the Defensive Coordinator didn't trust his D enough to let them run the play.

Not just a :IBTL: but an EXCELLENT one.

 

[cobalt_27]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

See, I don't buy this argument, because if that play went for a TD and the refs DIDN'T call time out people would be screaming that they HAD called timeout.They mentioned that it is unreasonable to expect a ref who is watching the action on the field to verbally recognize someone running up to him screaming timeout within a split second before the play is snapped.People can whine about a lot of plays, but this one should not be one of them. It was clear that the Ravens asked for and were granted a timeout.

Sybil? Medications down? Hey, I work with folks who have split personalities all the time. Call me if you need any help on this.

 

[bcover27]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

See, I don't buy this argument, because if that play went for a TD and the refs DIDN'T call time out people wpuld be screaming that they HAD called timeout.They mentioned that it is unreasonable to expect a ref who is watching the action on the field to verbally recognize someone running up to him screaming timeout within a split second before the play is snapped.People can whine about a lot of plays, but this one should not be one of them. It was clear that the Ravens asked for and were granted a timeout.

Sybil? Medications down? Hey, I work with folks who have split personalities all the time. Call me if you need any help on this.

:IBTL:

 

[chidoy]

Not a Pats fan....

But it looked like the ref was watching the field/play and just heard the frantic timeout being called next to him and prolly just figured it was Bellicheck and blew the whistle. Yes, that what happens when you ASSUME but thats what it looked like to me.

But what happens if the Pats threw for a TD instead of being stuffed? Then the T.O would have been legit? idk. :IBTL:

 

[nibbomydaets]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

If it's a rule, how exactly do you argue against it?

 

[cobalt_27]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

 

[nibbomydaets]

If it's a rule, how exactly do you argue against it?

 

[cobalt_27]

Not a Pats fan....But it looked like the ref was watching the field/play and just heard the frantic timeout being called next to him and prolly just figured it was Bellicheck and blew the whistle. Yes, that what happens when you ASSUME but thats what it looked like to me. But what happens if the Pats threw for a TD instead of being stuffed? Then the T.O would have been legit? idk.

The outcome of the play does not validate or invalidate the call. It should not have been called, regardless of the outcome.

 

[nibbomydaets]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

 

[cobalt_27]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

 

[elcohiba]

Just tack on another asterisk.

 

[David Yudkin]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

 

[Joe Bryant]

They went over this during the broadcast. Technically, the refs should not have called timeout. However, they blew the whistle. Once that happened, the play should not have counted but the Ravens should not have been given a timeout.What SHOULD have happened is that the ref ignored the request for a timeout, but apparently they grant timeouts pretty regularly from non head coaches.

See, I don't buy this argument, because if that play went for a TD and the refs DIDN'T call time out people would be screaming that they HAD called timeout.

No they wouldn't. At least not the ones that could read the rulebook.J

 

[cobalt_27]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

Right. If a player or the HC calls a timeout. And, I think it's 15 yards (see Gibbs this Sunday).That rule wouldn't apply if a coordinator or a trainer or the waterboy called for a timeout. The refs wouldn't (or, by rule shouldn't) acknowledge a non-HC or a non-player trying to call a timeout.

 

[twitch]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

 

[cobalt_27]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

So, you would flag the Ravens if one of the fans in the stands called an invalid timeout?

 

[twitch]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

So, you would flag the Ravens if one of the fans in the stands called an invalid timeout?

I dont know, what would you do? I dont try and live in a hypothetical world personally, but maybe the ref could have pulled a Sherlock Holmes, done a mini-investiagation, gone to the replay booth to see who actually called the TO, and applied the appropriate penalty. Couldnt he have done that? No, he assumed if a TO was being called from the neighborhoood in the immediated vicinity of the HC, that maybe whoever called the TO had reason for doing it. But since the DC apparently had no business calling it, he should have done what I suggested above. Problems with that?

 

[David Yudkin]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

So, you would flag the Ravens if one of the fans in the stands called an invalid timeout?

Did one of the players in the stands have a headset, a clip board, a team jacket, and come running full speed at the official?By definition, an act that interferes or delays the game can be flagged for a 5-yard delay of game penalty. The double time out at the end of the Skins game, by rule, is defined as a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

The actions of one of the Ravens coaching staff caused the game to be stopped by the ref blowing the whistle.

 

[cobalt_27]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

So, you would flag the Ravens if one of the fans in the stands called an invalid timeout?

Did one of the players in the stands have a headset, a clip board, a team jacket, and come running full speed at the official?By definition, an act that interferes or delays the game can be flagged for a 5-yard delay of game penalty. The double time out at the end of the Skins game, by rule, is defined as a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

The actions of one of the Ravens coaching staff caused the game to be stopped by the ref blowing the whistle.

Did Ryan come running full speed onto the field at the official and interfere with the game? I didn't see it, if he did.Also, the ref blowing the whistle caused the game to be stopped. They have the discretion of when to us it. Knowing the rules, as they should, the whistle should have never been blown.

 

[wadegarrett]

This wouldn't be an issue if the Ravens D didn't choke.

Don't blame the refs.

Blame the defense who couldn't get a stop when it mattered.

 

[David Yudkin]

If the rule states that a DC can NOT call a TO, there shouldn't have been a TO.

Whats so hard about that?

(Not a Ravens or Pats fan)

I don't think the rule actually states that. It implies it, though, noting that the HC or a player can initiate a TO. Regardless (or, irregardless, if you prefer), just chalk it up in the long chain of terrible mistakes made by the refs this week, especially in this game, especially in NE's favor.

It is a rule. I think recently they added the part where a HC can call a TO.

Well, I have the rule book right in front of me and quoted what it says. Nowhere does it mention anything about the DC. Anywhere.

IIRC, there is also a 5 yard delay of game call available to refs for calling an invalid timeout . . . would that have made you feel better?

So, you would flag the Ravens if one of the fans in the stands called an invalid timeout?

Did one of the players in the stands have a headset, a clip board, a team jacket, and come running full speed at the official?By definition, an act that interferes or delays the game can be flagged for a 5-yard delay of game penalty. The double time out at the end of the Skins game, by rule, is defined as a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

The actions of one of the Ravens coaching staff caused the game to be stopped by the ref blowing the whistle.

Did Ryan come running full speed onto the field at the official and interfere with the game? I didn't see it, if he did.

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

 

[meanjoegreen]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Has anyone put the blame on Ryan for failing to know that he couldn't call a timeout? That seems like a good place to start.

 

[chidoy]

Not a Pats fan....

But it looked like the ref was watching the field/play and just heard the frantic timeout being called next to him and prolly just figured it was Bellicheck and blew the whistle. Yes, that what happens when you ASSUME but thats what it looked like to me.

But what happens if the Pats threw for a TD instead of being stuffed? Then the T.O would have been legit? idk.

The outcome of the play does not validate or invalidate the call. It should not have been called, regardless of the outcome.

Like I said, I think in the heat of the moment, the t.o. was called. the ref was looking away from the sideline at the play/field, heard the frantic call for the t.o. and called it. Yes, he should have looked to see who it was, but if you hear "Timeout, timeout, timeout" being frantically called, your initial reaction would be to blow the whistle, right? I agree that the ref did the wrong thing, I'm just thinking that's why it was called.

 

[David Yudkin]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

 

[cobalt_27]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

You and I have a different definition of cause and effect, then.

 

[meanjoegreen]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

He didn't run up screaming at him. He was standing right behind him. The ref didn't even look at his face to see who was calling the TO. Take off your homer glasses. Nobody is missing the fact the whistle was blown. You are stating false information about how Ryan asked for the TO.

 

[cobalt_27]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

It's not a matter of what we like or don't like. The rule states that they can grant a timeout to the head coach or a player. Nobody else has that power. So, they need to exercise better discretion on that play. What if Ryan is/was screaming at his players to call "TIMEOUT! TIMEOUT!" and the refs interpreted that as him interfering, as you seem to be suggesting here?The refs' job here is to acknowledge only two entities: the head coach and the players. All others, including fans, water boys, trainers, defensive coordinators, are to be ignored. They blew the whistle when it should not have been blown.And, then they blew the defensive holding call. And, then they blew the juggling act by Gaffney that would have made Anthony Gatto proud.Just an outright pathetic performance by the refs, and it began when they blew the whistle when they shouldn't have.

 

[NEUPJ]

And, then they blew the defensive holding call.

From ESPN's Len Pasquarelli this morning:

With 55 seconds remaining and facing a fourth-and-5 from the Ravens' 13-yard line, Brady threw incomplete for tight end Benjamin Watson, but Baltimore dime cornerback Jamaine Winborne was flagged for holding in the secondary. It was the correct call by the officials, but on the wrong player. Winborne made virtually no contact on the play but, in underneath coverage, Scott had Gaffney in a bear-hug. The Patriots got a lot of breaks in the closing minutes, and unflappable QB Tom Brady turned the good fortune into a jaw-dropping victory. "I don't know if they got the wrong guy, called out the wrong number [on the penalty], or whatever … but we'll take it," Gaffney said

They didn't show it so I'm not sure what actually happened, but I'm sure we'll see it on NFLN this week in the replay.Right or wrong on the call the way to fix this is to go back and require players to call a timeout. There's absoultely no reason why the players are unable to do this, they had previously done it for years. The coaches being able to call a timeout has turned into an unnecessary headache and has taken a lot of enjoyment out of the games and there's really no reason for the rule to exist in the first place.

 

[jps_tex]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

Cowboy fan here......I think everybody is looking at this all wrong. It is my opinion that Ryan and the Ravens should have been penalized 15 yards for "unsportsmanlike conduct".Here me out please....The Redskins got penalized 15 yards for calling a timeout 2 times in a row because they were trying to stop the clock and ice the kicker. There is no difference in that and the Ravens trying to stop the clock illegally by an assistant coach running full speed and yelling timeout at a ref. The ref had to stop that game and as soon as he found out that an assistant coach made him stop the game, he should have thrown the flag, gave the Patriots the 15 yards they deserver for a boneheaded call, and we should not even be discussing a phantom timeout. The Refs have a lot on their plate and turning around to make sure who is calling the play is ludicrous to expect. That's my 2 cents....take it or leave it.

 

[KellysHeroes]

If it's a rule, how exactly do you argue against it?

Totally 2nd that.... If the Rule states that the Guy can't Call a TO... then he can't call it and it shouldn't count.. I don't care what happens in other games, this was one of the biggest MNF games games of the yr and the Refs blew it. The Ref needs to recognize whoes yelling "Time Out", just turn your head... Terrible.P.S. that was not a TD at the end of the game.

 

[cobalt_27]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

Cowboy fan here......I think everybody is looking at this all wrong. It is my opinion that Ryan and the Ravens should have been penalized 15 yards for "unsportsmanlike conduct".

Here me out please....The Redskins got penalized 15 yards for calling a timeout 2 times in a row because they were trying to stop the clock and ice the kicker. There is no difference in that and the Ravens trying to stop the clock illegally by an assistant coach running full speed and yelling timeout at a ref. The ref had to stop that game and as soon as he found out that an assistant coach made him stop the game, he should have thrown the flag, gave the Patriots the 15 yards they deserver for a boneheaded call, and we should not even be discussing a phantom timeout. The Refs have a lot on their plate and turning around to make sure who is calling the play is ludicrous to expect.

That's my 2 cents....take it or leave it.

Yeah, you're right. I guess it is too much to ask the refs to pay attention to what they are doing and what calls to make.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

People yell at the refs all the time... if they blew the whistle every time someone from the sideline yelled at them... games would be 6 hrs. Its their job to know whoes calling a TO, period.

Cowboy fan here......I think everybody is looking at this all wrong. It is my opinion that Ryan and the Ravens should have been penalized 15 yards for "unsportsmanlike conduct".Here me out please....The Redskins got penalized 15 yards for calling a timeout 2 times in a row because they were trying to stop the clock and ice the kicker. There is no difference in that and the Ravens trying to stop the clock illegally by an assistant coach running full speed and yelling timeout at a ref. The ref had to stop that game and as soon as he found out that an assistant coach made him stop the game, he should have thrown the flag, gave the Patriots the 15 yards they deserver for a boneheaded call, and we should not even be discussing a phantom timeout. The Refs have a lot on their plate and turning around to make sure who is calling the play is ludicrous to expect. That's my 2 cents....take it or leave it.

What the Redskins did is against the NFL rules, a DC yelling TO is not.

 

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He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

So the DC for the Ravens yelling to the Ref for a timeout when he knows he can't do that is okay with you? I love these forums sometimes

 

[BLOX]

There are also players on the sideline that can call a timeout as well.

Hearing someone calling a timeout from someone directly behind you would cause any ref to blow the whistle.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

Cowboy fan here......I think everybody is looking at this all wrong. It is my opinion that Ryan and the Ravens should have been penalized 15 yards for "unsportsmanlike conduct".

Here me out please....The Redskins got penalized 15 yards for calling a timeout 2 times in a row because they were trying to stop the clock and ice the kicker. There is no difference in that and the Ravens trying to stop the clock illegally by an assistant coach running full speed and yelling timeout at a ref. The ref had to stop that game and as soon as he found out that an assistant coach made him stop the game, he should have thrown the flag, gave the Patriots the 15 yards they deserver for a boneheaded call, and we should not even be discussing a phantom timeout. The Refs have a lot on their plate and turning around to make sure who is calling the play is ludicrous to expect.

That's my 2 cents....take it or leave it.

Yeah, you're right. I guess it is too much to ask the refs to pay attention to what they are doing and what calls to make.

its only their job to know whoes calling a TO

 

[twitch]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

Cowboy fan here......I think everybody is looking at this all wrong. It is my opinion that Ryan and the Ravens should have been penalized 15 yards for "unsportsmanlike conduct".

Here me out please....The Redskins got penalized 15 yards for calling a timeout 2 times in a row because they were trying to stop the clock and ice the kicker. There is no difference in that and the Ravens trying to stop the clock illegally by an assistant coach running full speed and yelling timeout at a ref. The ref had to stop that game and as soon as he found out that an assistant coach made him stop the game, he should have thrown the flag, gave the Patriots the 15 yards they deserver for a boneheaded call, and we should not even be discussing a phantom timeout. The Refs have a lot on their plate and turning around to make sure who is calling the play is ludicrous to expect.

That's my 2 cents....take it or leave it.

Yeah, you're right. I guess it is too much to ask the refs to pay attention to what they are doing and what calls to make.

Joe Gibbs. A 2nd TO. The refs were paying attention there, too. They called a TO for a guy who shouldnt have been allowed one either. Play was stopped. A penalty was assessed. And the game proceeded. Baltimore should have just been penalized. They didnt. But who cares? Its over.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Has anyone put the blame on Ryan for failing to know that he couldn't call a timeout? That seems like a good place to start.

That's a good point.If he had known he couldn't call one, the play stands and the Patriots lose. Even with Brady saying he "pulled up" after he heard the whistle Wow. That has to hurt.I said last night it was over when the timeout was called. A team can only take a kick in the stomach like that so much. To know the game should be over because you stopped them on 4th and 1 and then have it (even rightfully) taken away is more than just about any team could overcome.J

 

[KellysHeroes]

There are also players on the sideline that can call a timeout as well.Hearing someone calling a timeout from someone directly behind you would cause any ref to blow the whistle.

Only On-Field player can call time out according to Mike and Mike... and again, its that man's Job to know the rules and to know who called Time Out.

 

[cobalt_27]

He caused the ref to stop the game. If that isn't interfering with the game, I don't know what is.

He didn't cause the ref to stop the game. The ref decided on his own to grant the TO.

Would the ref have done ANYTHING if Ryan did not run up screaming at him? You guys are missing the fact that for better or for worse the whistle was blown and the play stops at that point. Period. The rules state play the whistle. Whether the Ravens should have been allowed or not allowed a timeout AFTER the whistle was blown really didn't matter at that point, nor does the issue of whether the Ravens could have been penalized or not.Whatever happened after that point on that play didn't matter, and that's why I said the same argument could have been made by the Pats if they scored a TD on that play. It was a judgment call by the ref. If you don't like the refs having to determine when and whom to grant a timeout, give teams electronic buzzers and give them only to the headcoach to buzz in when they want a timeout.

Cowboy fan here......I think everybody is looking at this all wrong. It is my opinion that Ryan and the Ravens should have been penalized 15 yards for "unsportsmanlike conduct".

Here me out please....The Redskins got penalized 15 yards for calling a timeout 2 times in a row because they were trying to stop the clock and ice the kicker. There is no difference in that and the Ravens trying to stop the clock illegally by an assistant coach running full speed and yelling timeout at a ref. The ref had to stop that game and as soon as he found out that an assistant coach made him stop the game, he should have thrown the flag, gave the Patriots the 15 yards they deserver for a boneheaded call, and we should not even be discussing a phantom timeout. The Refs have a lot on their plate and turning around to make sure who is calling the play is ludicrous to expect.

That's my 2 cents....take it or leave it.

Yeah, you're right. I guess it is too much to ask the refs to pay attention to what they are doing and what calls to make.

Joe Gibbs. A 2nd TO. The refs were paying attention there, too. They called a TO for a guy who shouldnt have been allowed one either. Play was stopped. A penalty was assessed. And the game proceeded. Baltimore should have just been penalized. They didnt. But who cares? Its over.

Here, let me help you catch up. Joe Gibbs is a head coach. He can be recognized by the referees when he calls for a timeout. He did (twice) and was rightly penalized for it. Rex Ryan is not a head coach. By rule, he cannot be recognized by the referees if he calls for a timeout. But, he was.Referees did not follow the ruling here and blew the whistle, anyway. I understand the game is fast. Referees are lower forms of human beings and make a lot of mistakes, especially towards the end of Patriots games these days. But, it was their error for even giving Ryan the time of day, and their role at that point was to just let the play go (unless a player or Billick called for the timeout).

HTH

 

[Joe Bryant]

And, then they blew the defensive holding call.

From ESPN's Len Pasquarelli this morning:

With 55 seconds remaining and facing a fourth-and-5 from the Ravens' 13-yard line, Brady threw incomplete for tight end Benjamin Watson, but Baltimore dime cornerback Jamaine Winborne was flagged for holding in the secondary. It was the correct call by the officials, but on the wrong player. Winborne made virtually no contact on the play but, in underneath coverage, Scott had Gaffney in a bear-hug. The Patriots got a lot of breaks in the closing minutes, and unflappable QB Tom Brady turned the good fortune into a jaw-dropping victory. "I don't know if they got the wrong guy, called out the wrong number [on the penalty], or whatever … but we'll take it," Gaffney said

They didn't show it so I'm not sure what actually happened, but I'm sure we'll see it on NFLN this week in the replay.Right or wrong on the call the way to fix this is to go back and require players to call a timeout. There's absoultely no reason why the players are unable to do this, they had previously done it for years. The coaches being able to call a timeout has turned into an unnecessary headache and has taken a lot of enjoyment out of the games and there's really no reason for the rule to exist in the first place.

I agree with going back to only allowing players to call timeout. That would eliminate issues like this.J

 

[KellysHeroes]

Joe Gibbs. A 2nd TO. The refs were paying attention there, too. They called a TO for a guy who shouldnt have been allowed one either. Play was stopped. A penalty was assessed. And the game proceeded. Baltimore should have just been penalized. They didnt. But who cares? Its over.

Is it in the Rules for the Team to be penalized if the Wrong Guy yells time out? I don't think so, I think it should of just been igonred.Those whole last 4 minutes were just horrible...