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Rick Gosselin's mock draft - If you don't know him you should. (1 Viewer)
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gregjcross
Footballguy
All these picks seem based on needs (from the commentary) rather than best available? Did you mix the two up and that the next version is Best Avaialable?
Some interesting selections in here... But he is one of the more "plugged in" guys around.
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Can't link enough mock drafts, I guess.
gosselin's last mock before the draft is the one - he is definitely one of the most connected draft writers, and he's often the first one to reveal that a player's draft stock is very different than the common perception.
kremenull
Footballguy
Agreed. If this is BPA, how then is Jake Long #1 and Matt Ryan #3. A LB in the top 5, ahead of dynamite pass rushers????? This guy may be linked in, as you say, but this mock doesn't show that. a lot of the middle portion appears to be very much in line with this BPA theory, but overall, it does seem like a need-based compilation.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
I really respect his mocks and I do realize this is BPA, but I'd hardly put Brohm as the BPA for the Jaguars, who just locked up their starter and backup for the next three years. The majority of this draft is need based, and if that were the case, any of the next five players drafted are better need/BPA combinations than brohm.
Yuck.
Yuck.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He'sgot Rivers pretty high
Tough to gauge where he is going right now
Tough to gauge where he is going right now
B Maverick
Footballguy
5 rbs in the first is a stretch i think, although denver taking stewart is intriguing
dont like SD's pick
dont like SD's pick
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Chris Johnson's value as a kick returner is equal to Ted Ginn's. His value as a player may be higher. EBF and I have both been pointing this out. I cannot think of anything Felix Jones does better than Chris Johnson. Return? No. Catch. No. Run outside? No. Inside. No. I like the order of these backs, and I love seeing a back in Denver. I will be disappointed if Dallas takes Felix, but I am getting used to the idea, and I think Felix could help out in a big way. I just prefer a couple others, and certainly could be wrong in doing so.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
But 6 or even 7 may qualify as top 30 players this year. Keeping with the bap idea.
B Maverick
Footballguy
true. under the BPA this could happen. Realistically? i doubt it.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I realize it's BPA and not to fill needs but I just can't see Jacksonville drafting a QB in the 1st after inking Garrard to a big extension....
Maybe they'll convert him to a WR ala Matt Jones!
EBF
Footballguy
Interesting stuff. Chris Johnson in the first jives with some of what I've been saying lately. His combine is not the sort that goes unnoticed by the NFL. If Chris Henry can be a 2nd round pick then I don't see why Johnson can't crack the 20-30 range.
Gosselin has Jonathan Stewart going awfully high. Stewart is a better athlete than Rashard Mendenhall and he has more upside at the next level, but I thought he would be the third back taken due to his toe injury. We'll see if the toe ends up affecting his stock.
I like that he has Hardy and Jackson in the first. I think those guys are pretty good NFL picks there. Jackson is not an elite FF prospect, but the guy is a good football player. No reason he shouldn't be a top 30 pick.
I have been mum on the IDP's in this class since that's not really my area of expertise, but I have a pretty good track record of evaluating defensive talent. I play in two IDP leagues and here's a list of the defensive rookies I have picked up in both of my leagues over the years (meaning I liked them enough to draft them in both of my seaparate IDP leagues): Kirk Morrison, Patrick Willis, Justin Tuck, and Jarrad Page. All of those guys significantly outperformed expectations.
With that little bit of horn tooting out of the way, I have to say that I like Keith Rivers quite a bit. Is he an impact FF player? Probably not. He's a beastly athlete though and I think he's going to make a very solid pro for the team that drafts him.
I'm still catching up on the other IDP's.
Gosselin has Jonathan Stewart going awfully high. Stewart is a better athlete than Rashard Mendenhall and he has more upside at the next level, but I thought he would be the third back taken due to his toe injury. We'll see if the toe ends up affecting his stock.
I like that he has Hardy and Jackson in the first. I think those guys are pretty good NFL picks there. Jackson is not an elite FF prospect, but the guy is a good football player. No reason he shouldn't be a top 30 pick.
I have been mum on the IDP's in this class since that's not really my area of expertise, but I have a pretty good track record of evaluating defensive talent. I play in two IDP leagues and here's a list of the defensive rookies I have picked up in both of my leagues over the years (meaning I liked them enough to draft them in both of my seaparate IDP leagues): Kirk Morrison, Patrick Willis, Justin Tuck, and Jarrad Page. All of those guys significantly outperformed expectations.
With that little bit of horn tooting out of the way, I have to say that I like Keith Rivers quite a bit. Is he an impact FF player? Probably not. He's a beastly athlete though and I think he's going to make a very solid pro for the team that drafts him.
I'm still catching up on the other IDP's.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm pretty surprised to see Fred Davis at 24. I think he'll be the 3rd TE drafted myself.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
There's a few picks I dont think have much chance of happening but the only one I thought was really ridiculous was Brohm to Jacksonville. I cant think of any reason why the Jags would use that pick on Brohm. They just locked up Garrard, they also signed Lemon, who has starting experience, and there are other areas on the team that they could really afford to get younger at. I would think the Jags go receiver or defense.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I can't imagine any scenario where Chris Long falls to 6th.
I will eat my shorts if the Titans take Fred Davis with the #24th pick. I agree that he won't even be the first TE drafted and the Titans just signed Crumpler and resigned Scaife.I'm pretty surprised to see Fred Davis at 24. I think he'll be the 3rd TE drafted myself.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Draftdaddy.com had a note in the last couple of days that their "insider" is saying that Chris Johnson is carrying first round grade with at least half of the teams. On the number of RBs, at an early point in his weekly radio interview Gosslien claimed that as many as 8 RBs had the potential to go in the first round. Although he has backed off of that some, it seems as though he is still expecting at least that number to go on the "new" first day of the draft.
switz
Footballguy
Just posted about him in the 4 RB thread. After watching the highlights, I can see why some teams rank him highly. His speed is for real. However, I also think his level of competition, at least from the highlights, was very inferior. Not just to the NFL, but to a lot of what the other RBs faced as well. His moves aren't dynamic enough to break away from an NFL LB IMO. On the one play I saw, if it had been an NFL LB when he made a stutter step he'd have gotten crushed.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Wow, have never seen him going here in a mock draft before. I wonder if they would play him at RG. We do desperately need a solid guard on the other side of Dockery. If they do, isn't that a bit early to take a guard? Could he be thinking the Bills would play him at RT instead of Walker?
supermark_28
Footballguy
I was watching his highlights on MSN last night,the speed is for real but he's going to need to bulk up. In some of the highlights he's running thru huge holes,catching some passes in the flats and taking them to the house but not sure how well he's going to take an "NFL" hit.
delusional
Footballguy
Williams at 19, I can see the Eagles going that way
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think you guys are missing the point. I think these are the guys that Gosselin thinks are the top 31 talents based on what he hears from his contacts.
Sure some of them are shoehorned in, like Brohm to Jacksonville, but they're put in funny places because they are the guys that should be first rounders.
Sure some of them are shoehorned in, like Brohm to Jacksonville, but they're put in funny places because they are the guys that should be first rounders.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Yes. Because Brohm may end up on another team, but he will be selected around that spot according to his value. Like a small dipsy-do trade with Miami, as an example.
massraider
Footballguy
It's much less important where Gosselin puts people in the 1st round, and moreso who he puts there.Like Sigmund said, Gosselin's last mock is the only one that really counts. His earlier ones, he uses a lot more chalk.
It warm the cockles of my heart that he has McFadden going to OAK in this early version.
Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
'in this early version' I take it you don't want McFadden? Who do you want? 'Gosselin's last mock is the only one that really counts' When does He come out with this one? Last mock that is?
Like Sigmund said, Gosselin's last mock is the only one that really counts. His earlier ones, he uses a lot more chalk.
It warm the cockles of my heart that he has McFadden going to OAK in this early version.
Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
12. Denver Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
Comment: A potential NFL rushing champion for the Broncos
I think if this happen, everyone that likes J.Stewart would have think they hit the lotto.
Comment: A potential NFL rushing champion for the Broncos
I think if this happen, everyone that likes J.Stewart would have think they hit the lotto.
massraider
Footballguy
Nope, don't want him. This is a team with a good enough system to turn Justin Fargas into a 1,000 yard rusher, and has gaping holes at DT and DE. Taking a RB here is a luxury that the Raiders cannot afford. If they wind up taking him, it'll be tough to not be excited about his potential, but I just think RBs are easier to come by than D-linemen. Uhh.....this'll be my last comment on McFadden in this thread.As to Gosselin, his pattern is the same: He throws out a few mocks, that do have some interesting selections. But his last mock is very, very different from his previous ones. I am guessing the main reason he does it is to keep other mockers from biting his stuff. His rep is well known. Also some of his info hasn't come in yet.'in this early version' I take it you don't want McFadden? Who do you want? 'Gosselin's last mock is the only one that really counts' When does He come out with this one? Last mock that is?It's much less important where Gosselin puts people in the 1st round, and moreso who he puts there.
Like Sigmund said, Gosselin's last mock is the only one that really counts. His earlier ones, he uses a lot more chalk.
It warm the cockles of my heart that he has McFadden going to OAK in this early version.
Goose isn't a draftnik. He's a guy with sources. The average draft guy can guess that Player X fits into a team perfectly, but if Goose hears they are locked into Player Y two days before the draft, he's gonna have a better mock.
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trader jake
Footballguy
Why are these two players ranked so far apart? I'm not seeing it myself.
Man who'd fire the Yorks
Footballguy
Round 1-
Pick #29. San Francisco- WR DeSean Jackson(California)
I don't have a problem with this pick. Some may and say we need to address other issues in the first round. I agree somewhat to that theory. We need a whole lot of work in some areas before we're going to get better, but if we don't get playmakers that can help put points on the board that long road back to winning may continue. Alex Smith is NOT the QB of the future for the 49ers and we need to put that experiment to bed. Is Shaun Hill the answer. Don't know but I'm not overly enthused about him either.
I seen one mock that had the 49ers taking QB Chad Henne with the 3rd round pick(#75). Don't think he'll last that long. I just can't see the 9ers continuing to justify taking Alex Smith #1 overall. We need another QB. I'd be happy with them going ahead and taking Henne with their second round pick(#39) or even Joe Flacco. Get another QB in the 2nd and the best available WR in the first and start the rebuilding of the offense. Of course it's not a total rebuild as we have playmakers, albeit it only a few,in RB Frank Gore and TE Vernon Davis. We certainly need Davis to step it up as he has the capabilities to be an excellant TE. I like the addition of WR Bryant Johnson this year. He may not end up being a stud but he has the potential to be a decent playmaker.He's getting a fresh start after being mired behind Fitz and Boldin. Bruce may not put up the numbers anymore but he can be valuable in vet leadership and transitioning over to Martz' system.The defense is coming along and they should be able to address some areas after the 2nd round. I think Nolan is kinda on a mini-hot seat this year too. So, he's probably going to have to take some risks if he's to continue as the 49ers head coach. I think the future IS promising if they make the right choices in the frist couple of rounds in the draft. Some may not agree but they should use those first couple of rounds to get the best offensive playmakers available. I certainly long for, and I'm sure other Niners fans are as well, the days of playing winning football again. It CAN happen and will if we FIRE THE YORKS!!!!
New username,Man who'd fire the Yorks. Formerly DocNiner52.
Pick #29. San Francisco- WR DeSean Jackson(California)
I don't have a problem with this pick. Some may and say we need to address other issues in the first round. I agree somewhat to that theory. We need a whole lot of work in some areas before we're going to get better, but if we don't get playmakers that can help put points on the board that long road back to winning may continue. Alex Smith is NOT the QB of the future for the 49ers and we need to put that experiment to bed. Is Shaun Hill the answer. Don't know but I'm not overly enthused about him either.
I seen one mock that had the 49ers taking QB Chad Henne with the 3rd round pick(#75). Don't think he'll last that long. I just can't see the 9ers continuing to justify taking Alex Smith #1 overall. We need another QB. I'd be happy with them going ahead and taking Henne with their second round pick(#39) or even Joe Flacco. Get another QB in the 2nd and the best available WR in the first and start the rebuilding of the offense. Of course it's not a total rebuild as we have playmakers, albeit it only a few,in RB Frank Gore and TE Vernon Davis. We certainly need Davis to step it up as he has the capabilities to be an excellant TE. I like the addition of WR Bryant Johnson this year. He may not end up being a stud but he has the potential to be a decent playmaker.He's getting a fresh start after being mired behind Fitz and Boldin. Bruce may not put up the numbers anymore but he can be valuable in vet leadership and transitioning over to Martz' system.The defense is coming along and they should be able to address some areas after the 2nd round. I think Nolan is kinda on a mini-hot seat this year too. So, he's probably going to have to take some risks if he's to continue as the 49ers head coach. I think the future IS promising if they make the right choices in the frist couple of rounds in the draft. Some may not agree but they should use those first couple of rounds to get the best offensive playmakers available. I certainly long for, and I'm sure other Niners fans are as well, the days of playing winning football again. It CAN happen and will if we FIRE THE YORKS!!!!
New username,Man who'd fire the Yorks. Formerly DocNiner52.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes...we know its BPA...and if he ranks that guy #24...that is fine.but the comment with Gosselin's pick?"Comment: An underneath target for QB Vince Young "That is all Young has are underneath targets.I will eat my shorts if the Titans take Fred Davis with the #24th pick. I agree that he won't even be the first TE drafted and the Titans just signed Crumpler and resigned Scaife.I'm pretty surprised to see Fred Davis at 24. I think he'll be the 3rd TE drafted myself.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
the charles pick to TB looks funny, but i could see RB being a need... graham looked good but is hardly a proven commodity, & caddy's future still very much up in the air...
haven't seen mayo to PIT much, many think they want to reload the OL, but farrior is approaching mid-30's...
felix jones to TEN would surprise me, since they spent 2nd rounders on RB two years in a row, & VY can run... the pick fits value-wise to SOMEBODY at about this point in draft, & i am sceptical it will be DAL, just not sure about here... TEN needs WR (though in past they haven't prioritized it with high pick, despite being in similar situation), & also lost odom & laboy at DE in free agency...
WR could easily be need in SEA (branch not available for maybe a good part of the season, hackett gone), but ruskell values character/intangibles very highly... i'd be very surprised if hardy went here...
a lot about this mock overall looks good... gosselin is one of the best connected in the business...
haven't seen mayo to PIT much, many think they want to reload the OL, but farrior is approaching mid-30's...
felix jones to TEN would surprise me, since they spent 2nd rounders on RB two years in a row, & VY can run... the pick fits value-wise to SOMEBODY at about this point in draft, & i am sceptical it will be DAL, just not sure about here... TEN needs WR (though in past they haven't prioritized it with high pick, despite being in similar situation), & also lost odom & laboy at DE in free agency...
WR could easily be need in SEA (branch not available for maybe a good part of the season, hackett gone), but ruskell values character/intangibles very highly... i'd be very surprised if hardy went here...
a lot about this mock overall looks good... gosselin is one of the best connected in the business...
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
27. San Diego Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
Comment: Replaces Michael Turner as RB LaDainian Tomlinson's caddie
not gonna happen
trade down, or go OL
Comment: Replaces Michael Turner as RB LaDainian Tomlinson's caddie
not gonna happen
trade down, or go OL
B Maverick
Footballguy
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
This has to be the best mock I've seen yet.
It will be interesting to see how many he hits on.
His top 10 picks make perfect sense, imo.
Ryan to Atlanta
McFadden to Oakland
Gholston to New England.
It will be interesting to see how many he hits on.
His top 10 picks make perfect sense, imo.
Ryan to Atlanta
McFadden to Oakland
Gholston to New England.
Except that his new mock hasRyan to BaltimoreMcFadden to NYJetsGholston to MiamiThis has to be the best mock I've seen yet.It will be interesting to see how many he hits on.His top 10 picks make perfect sense, imo.Ryan to AtlantaMcFadden to OaklandGholston to New England.
Neither of them is as good as Conner
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think Rivers > COnnor
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I dunno. What was Samuel asking for?Last year's #7 Adrian Peterson got a 5 year/$40.50m with $17m guaranteed.
Some seriously screwed up contracts last year. Nice job Arizona and NYJ:
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Johnson is so dynamic, I wouldn't say "not gonna happen" to any projection involving him after about 15 picks. Or course, you could say that about any pick after 7 or 8 in any mock and probably be right as these things are hard to call, but if I said AJ takes Craig Davis last year, a monumental reach of a 3rd round prospect, then many Bolt fans would have said "not gonna happen". I agree Johnson is a bad fit with Sproles already in the system and looking good with his ops, but who knows with AJ? He marches to his own beat and generally gets quality. I think Johnson is quality.
Gholston to Miami is interesting -it's had my eyebrow cocked since he became one of the three players they are negotiating with. I wonder if this means Big Jake isn't going to take his deal. I can see why Parcells lurves Gholston.McFadden top jets and Ryan to Ravens makes complete sense.Except that his new mock hasRyan to BaltimoreMcFadden to NYJetsGholston to MiamiThis has to be the best mock I've seen yet.It will be interesting to see how many he hits on.His top 10 picks make perfect sense, imo.Ryan to AtlantaMcFadden to OaklandGholston to New England.
Tea leaves are hard to read. Once you hit the end of the first round, anything can happen.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
There's a lot to like, maybe even trust about this mock. It feels like some things are getting about as settled as we can expect early in the draft, while there's still some very difficult players and teams to project later, as always. Ridgelake was the first person I saw seriously discussing Gholston at 1.1, and I think it's pretty possible. It's 51-49 between him and Chris Long for me, favoring Long still though.
While I don't believe the Pats will go Corner if they stay at 7, I guess an argument could be made that maybe they couldn't afford salary cap wise to pay all three of Samuel and the #7 pick and Moss.
