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Ricky Williams (1 Viewer)

Ricky is only 29, and he does not have as much wear and tear on his body as the average 29 year old NFL RB. He also is heavily into yoga and healthy living at this point in his life, so he is not overweight and he has a lot of flexibility with his body right now. I would think that, given an opportunity, he could still be an effective RB in the NFL. Nobody here is saying he's going to run for 1,800 yards, but he could be a sneaky pick-up if he lands in the right situation.

 
STL only has Jackson and a Rookie Pick at RB, I see them potentially interviewing him, especially since they expressed a desire to do so about a month ago, Miami is dragging their feet through this, and why not, Williams dragged them through some real #### a few years ago, I expect them to keep him in limbo as long as they can.

 
phthalatemagic said:
Hawk said:
I would think that, given an opportunity, he could still be an effective RB in the NFL.
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What do you mean by effective?
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I would expect that Ricky's ceiling would be Corey Dillon last year. Estimate down from there. Sorry, but you can argue about "lack of mileage" all you want, but at some point to get less mileage you're also losing skills, and I think that in the three years since Ricky went on that bizarre hiatus only to return, the time away, plus lifestyle (pot doesn't help one's RB skills) and injury have seriously eroded his abilities.
 
Hawk said:
Ricky is only 29, and he does not have as much wear and tear on his body as the average 29 year old NFL RB. He also is heavily into yoga and healthy living at this point in his life, so he is not overweight and he has a lot of flexibility with his body right now. I would think that, given an opportunity, he could still be an effective RB in the NFL. Nobody here is saying he's going to run for 1,800 yards, but he could be a sneaky pick-up if he lands in the right situation.
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I took him this year (as a Ronnie Owner, this was easier to do) at about the equivalent of an 18th round pick. Not only will he be the primary backup to Brown over Booker this year, but the chance of him being traded (now that Booker is in town) just jumped up to about the same odds of being re-instated. For an 18th rounder, you can get a RB with the ABILITY to run for 1K yds on a crappy team. What if G.B. or TEN picks him up? At least 1K and 6 or 7 TDs. A floor of 600 yds and 3 TDs in Miami. Now, when training camps begin...don't you think that the 1st team with a primary RB go down with an ACL will be on the phone? Anything from S.F. to Buffalo. My god, what if Travis Henry went down? :o Wouldn't an 18th round, just turning 30 Ricky Williams running behind Denver's line give you a chubby?
 
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kensat30 said:
Miami made a good move in clearing out his locker. They don't want to damage the ego of their #2 overall pick. Everyone knows Ricky has had more talent than that guy.
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See 215 pound Ricky Williams fresh out of retirement outproducing #2 overall in 2005.PS - I would love to see Ricky goto Denver just for the discussion. Now that would be entertaining.

 
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kensat30 said:
KING said:
kensat30 said:
Miami made a good move in clearing out his locker. They don't want to damage the ego of their #2 overall pick. Everyone knows Ricky has had more talent than that guy.
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See 215 pound Ricky Williams fresh out of retirement outproducing #2 overall in 2005.PS - I would love to see Ricky goto Denver just for the discussion. Now that would be entertaining.
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Rocky Mountain High would take on a new meaning....."Ricky Mountain High"
 
kensat30 said:
KING said:
kensat30 said:
Miami made a good move in clearing out his locker. They don't want to damage the ego of their #2 overall pick. Everyone knows Ricky has had more talent than that guy.
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See 215 pound Ricky Williams fresh out of retirement outproducing #2 overall in 2005.PS - I would love to see Ricky goto Denver just for the discussion. Now that would be entertaining.
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If he went to Denver it would only be Shanahan's way of motivating Tatum Bell in Detroit.
 
redman said:
phthalatemagic said:
Hawk said:
I would think that, given an opportunity, he could still be an effective RB in the NFL.
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What do you mean by effective?
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I would expect that Ricky's ceiling would be Corey Dillon last year. Estimate down from there. Sorry, but you can argue about "lack of mileage" all you want, but at some point to get less mileage you're also losing skills, and I think that in the three years since Ricky went on that bizarre hiatus only to return, the time away, plus lifestyle (pot doesn't help one's RB skills) and injury have seriously eroded his abilities.
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Last time he played for the Phins it took him about 6 games to outplay Brown. They both had the same 4.4 average but Ricky scored 6 TD's to Browns 4.
 
j3r3m3y said:
Brewzers said:
This really makes no sense on Miami's part if they had Ricky for minimum wage.
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Depends on many factors. Is he in shape? Does he want to play? Last I heard, which was months ago, he wanted to be a coach in Canada. Can he pass another drug test? Maybe he likes the ganja more than money.Given all the facts it may or may not make sense.
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I think he can smoke in BC...I think that's where they have a liberal policy.Or he could look to the NFL-Euro. Amsterdam Admirals anyone?
 
switz said:
Ozymandias said:
Colin Dowling said:
He will have a job immediately. Despite his weirdo-ness, he is phenomenally talented.
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Which, of course, he demonstrated by tearing up the Canadian Football League.Or maybe not.
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:thumbup: The CFL is an entirely different style of game than the NFL. Power runners rarely are successful in the CFL, it caters to smaller, shifty, quick RBs. Nothing like Ricky Williams.
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:confused: Exactly. I laugh at all those that think his numbers in the CFl = done and proves he is washed up. It is apples and oranges comparing the two leagues. The rushing leader in the CFl last year was Charles Roberts. Listed at an exaggerated 5 foot 6 and 171 lbs. Even with Ricky missing 7 games due to injury he still was 8th in rushing. This in a league that suits scatter type backs.
 
You guys can make all the pot jokes you want, it's easy fodder. But Ricky says he hasn't smoked pot in 3 years, and he has not failed any pot tests during that period, and he has been tested often. His last test failure was not related to pot.

Ricky was a great RB at his peak. At 29, going on 30, he could still be a good RB for a couple more years. Denver would be a fun spot for him to land. GB or Tennessee would probably result in better stats.

 
kensat30 said:
KING said:
kensat30 said:
Miami made a good move in clearing out his locker. They don't want to damage the ego of their #2 overall pick. Everyone knows Ricky has had more talent than that guy.
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See 215 pound Ricky Williams fresh out of retirement outproducing #2 overall in 2005.PS - I would love to see Ricky goto Denver just for the discussion. Now that would be entertaining.
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I love this response, Ronnie was a rookie and they had the same yards per carry. Ronnie also did better his first 2 years than Ricky did.
 
Hawk said:
You guys can make all the pot jokes you want, it's easy fodder. But Ricky says he hasn't smoked pot in 3 years, and he has not failed any pot tests during that period, and he has been tested often. His last test failure was not related to pot.Ricky was a great RB at his peak. At 29, going on 30, he could still be a good RB for a couple more years. Denver would be a fun spot for him to land. GB or Tennessee would probably result in better stats.
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To think this man hasnt smoked in 3 years is silly. Are you high man?
 
Ricky has been tested 3X per week since his last suspension.

Compaing the NFL to the CFL is dumb. The CFL only has 3 downs which leads to throwing the ball more.

Ricky is under contract with the Dolphins through 2008 at a very reasonable salary. Trading Ricky would be foolish under his current contract. His talent far exceeds his contract.

 
ooofffaaa said:
Ricky is under contract with the Dolphins through 2008 at a very reasonable salary. Trading Ricky would be foolish under his current contract. His talent far exceeds his contract.
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I agree that his talent far exceeds his contract, which might make it smart to trade him. if its a good value trade for other teams the Dolphins will get a better pick or player in return.
 
hutchins929 said:
ooofffaaa said:
Ricky is under contract with the Dolphins through 2008 at a very reasonable salary. Trading Ricky would be foolish under his current contract. His talent far exceeds his contract.
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I agree that his talent far exceeds his contract, which might make it smart to trade him. if its a good value trade for other teams the Dolphins will get a better pick or player in return.
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Then who will backup Ronnie Brown?
 
ooofffaaa said:
hutchins929 said:
ooofffaaa said:
Ricky is under contract with the Dolphins through 2008 at a very reasonable salary. Trading Ricky would be foolish under his current contract. His talent far exceeds his contract.
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I agree that his talent far exceeds his contract, which might make it smart to trade him. if its a good value trade for other teams the Dolphins will get a better pick or player in return.
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Then who will backup Ronnie Brown?
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Onterrio Smith?
 
ooofffaaa said:
hutchins929 said:
ooofffaaa said:
Ricky is under contract with the Dolphins through 2008 at a very reasonable salary. Trading Ricky would be foolish under his current contract. His talent far exceeds his contract.
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I agree that his talent far exceeds his contract, which might make it smart to trade him. if its a good value trade for other teams the Dolphins will get a better pick or player in return.
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Then who will backup Ronnie Brown?
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There are those of us who are impressed by the Dolphins drafting Lorenzo Booker. I think that spells the end of Ricky in Miami, and not just because they gave Booker Ricky's locker.
 
redman said:
ooofffaaa said:
hutchins929 said:
ooofffaaa said:
Ricky is under contract with the Dolphins through 2008 at a very reasonable salary. Trading Ricky would be foolish under his current contract. His talent far exceeds his contract.
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I agree that his talent far exceeds his contract, which might make it smart to trade him. if its a good value trade for other teams the Dolphins will get a better pick or player in return.
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Then who will backup Ronnie Brown?
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There are those of us who are impressed by the Dolphins drafting Lorenzo Booker. I think that spells the end of Ricky in Miami, and not just because they gave Booker Ricky's locker.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't Booker considered more of a 3rd down/scat back/change of pace type of guy?If Ronnie goes down does Booker carry the load?
 
ooofffaaa said:
redman said:
ooofffaaa said:
hutchins929 said:
ooofffaaa said:
Ricky is under contract with the Dolphins through 2008 at a very reasonable salary. Trading Ricky would be foolish under his current contract. His talent far exceeds his contract.
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I agree that his talent far exceeds his contract, which might make it smart to trade him. if its a good value trade for other teams the Dolphins will get a better pick or player in return.
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Then who will backup Ronnie Brown?
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There are those of us who are impressed by the Dolphins drafting Lorenzo Booker. I think that spells the end of Ricky in Miami, and not just because they gave Booker Ricky's locker.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't Booker considered more of a 3rd down/scat back/change of pace type of guy?If Ronnie goes down does Booker carry the load?
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Booker is widely compared to Leon Washington. While neither guy is probably a good candidate for 350+ carries, they can certainly hold up with 250+ carries in a RBBC arrangement, which qualifies them for "primary RB" in my book. I think Cameron wants to increase Brown's carries above the 20-carry limit that Saban set for him, but that still leaves a lot of work for other RB's.
 
IMO, getting rid of Williams would be a follish maneuver on the Dolphins' part. He plays for the league minimum, has proven experience as a productive starting RB, and could play as little or as large a role as they needed. You can't say that about anyone else they could pick up or already have on the roster.

 
David Yudkin said:
IMO, getting rid of Williams would be a follish maneuver on the Dolphins' part. He plays for the league minimum, has proven experience as a productive starting RB, and could play as little or as large a role as they needed. You can't say that about anyone else they could pick up or already have on the roster.
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Would you rather have Ricky for the duration of his contract then see him sing with the Patriots, Bills or Jets? Or would you rather see the dolphins decide where he goes? Not to mention they would get something in return.
 
hutchins929 said:
David Yudkin said:
IMO, getting rid of Williams would be a follish maneuver on the Dolphins' part. He plays for the league minimum, has proven experience as a productive starting RB, and could play as little or as large a role as they needed. You can't say that about anyone else they could pick up or already have on the roster.
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Would you rather have Ricky for the duration of his contract then see him sing with the Patriots, Bills or Jets? Or would you rather see the dolphins decide where he goes? Not to mention they would get something in return.
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Realistically, how much could they get for a guy with clearly a ton of risk who has only one year left on his contract? Some are suggesting that Williams might be flat out released if he's reinstated.There's been a ton of other RBs that were on the trading market the past few years and most of them went nowhere. What is a reasonable return for trading Williams . . . a 6th round pick?
 
David Yudkin said:
David Yudkin said:
IMO, getting rid of Williams would be a follish maneuver on the Dolphins' part. He plays for the league minimum, has proven experience as a productive starting RB, and could play as little or as large a role as they needed. You can't say that about anyone else they could pick up or already have on the roster.
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Realistically, how much could they get for a guy with clearly a ton of risk who has only one year left on his contract? Some are suggesting that Williams might be flat out released if he's reinstated.There's been a ton of other RBs that were on the trading market the past few years and most of them went nowhere. What is a reasonable return for trading Williams . . . a 6th round pick?
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So which of your posts do you believe?
 
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So which of your posts do you believe?
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Both of them. There's a ton of risk to other teams in trading anything of value for a guy that is one drug test away from being out of the league potentially forever. There's very little risk for Miami as they would not be giving up anything to get him. That's why I was wondering what anyone things Williams' trade value is because he has so much baggage.
 
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Steel Mike Tomczak said:
Hawk said:
You guys can make all the pot jokes you want, it's easy fodder. But Ricky says he hasn't smoked pot in 3 years, and he has not failed any pot tests during that period, and he has been tested often. His last test failure was not related to pot.Ricky was a great RB at his peak. At 29, going on 30, he could still be a good RB for a couple more years. Denver would be a fun spot for him to land. GB or Tennessee would probably result in better stats.
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To think this man hasnt smoked in 3 years is silly. Are you high man?
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If you are smoking just a couple hits on a recreational basis (no more than once or twice a month) you can still pass the whiz quiz. Because you can get some in your system by having a next-door neighbor smoking and the breeze blowing your way, the standards on weed are set high enough that you can't blame a "contact high" for a positive test. Popping for weed shows habitual use.
 
Cookiemonster said:
Steel Mike Tomczak said:
Hawk said:
You guys can make all the pot jokes you want, it's easy fodder. But Ricky says he hasn't smoked pot in 3 years, and he has not failed any pot tests during that period, and he has been tested often. His last test failure was not related to pot.Ricky was a great RB at his peak. At 29, going on 30, he could still be a good RB for a couple more years. Denver would be a fun spot for him to land. GB or Tennessee would probably result in better stats.
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To think this man hasnt smoked in 3 years is silly. Are you high man?
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If you are smoking just a couple hits on a recreational basis (no more than once or twice a month) you can still pass the whiz quiz. Because you can get some in your system by having a next-door neighbor smoking and the breeze blowing your way, the standards on weed are set high enough that you can't blame a "contact high" for a positive test. Popping for weed shows habitual use.
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just take pills instead... like Favre!and me
 
David Yudkin said:
IMO, getting rid of Williams would be a follish maneuver on the Dolphins' part. He plays for the league minimum, has proven experience as a productive starting RB, and could play as little or as large a role as they needed. You can't say that about anyone else they could pick up or already have on the roster.
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I would not argue this but a football locker room at a competitive level is a very sensitive climate. Despite the economic value and perceived talent value Williams represents he could in theory present an equally negative impact on team chemistry. That matters. It matters with some teams more than others but it matters. Add in today's news and I think it is pretty safe to say Williams' playing days in the NFL are over. I am not passing judgment on Williams' exercising his free will. His life. He can lead it however he wants. Conversely, I do not see another NFL team giving him a chance.
 
TheFanatic said:
Kit Fisto said:
phthalatemagic said:
cscmtp said:
Yeah, I'd like to know how he's going to come back to the NFL to play well when he plays with mediocrity against second rate talent in the CFL.
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Perhaps because the line was horrible? I would imagine even the best RBs need a decent line to run behind...think LT could run just as well behind a CFL or college o-line? I doubt it...
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So? It's not flag football. He had opportunity to break tackles and to allude tacklers and he failed at this. The Argonauts were not a bad team last year either. A good RB in the CFL averages in the upper 5 yards per carry, Williams averaged 4.1. John Avery (on the same team) averaged just under 5 yards per carry.And do I think LT would ran just as well behind a CFL or college OL? Against like competition? LT would be god-like.

edited to add: If you guys want to hang onto what Rickey Williams once was, more power to you. It's been a long time since he ran for 1800 yards, boys. To me he's a guy that could have been, but for whatever reason bailed out during his best years, so we will never know.
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I feel hanging onto Ricky Williams in my 6th RB spot, until August cut-down dates well worth the risk.It's guys in here pimping the likes of Kevan Barlow, Sam Gado, Selvin Young, Jonathan Orr, while dismissing Ricky Williams that I find slightly inconsistent...
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I took him with one of my last picks in an initial draft of a dynasty league last year. I think I drafted him with my 23rd or 24th pick in a 12 team league. He's got a roster spot right now. Low risk, high potential short term profit situation. Cost me little or nothing. Finished tied for the best record with him holding a roster spot and if he signs somewhere or Miami brings him back I might get some decent stats for a year or two....
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Looks like I know the first guy I will be cutting when I draft this weekend to free up a roster spot....Ah well....All it cost me was a 23rd round pick and a roster spot. You gotta ask yourself tho, how great is this bud that it's worth that much to these guys? Will the Dolphins try to recoup the $8 million from him? Charles Rogers get suspended and he has it in his contract that if he smokes it he has to forfeit his signing bonus. Idiots....

 
Couch Potato said:
No one in this thread has stated yet what is to me the most obvious possibility -- that he has very recently flunked another pee-in-the-cup test, and the Dolphins have just been informed of it but the public has not.
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Hey, howzabout I just quote myself from 6 days ago. :bowtie: :goodposting: :D
 
Looks like the order to clean out Williams' locker was given for a good reason.

I'm sad, but unsurprised. What a waste of talent.

 
And I thought he had turned the corner with his Reefer Maddness Use.

There's a lot of truth in the saying... You can turn a cucumber into a pickel but not a pickle into a cucumber.

 
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:
Couch Potato said:
Couch Potato said:
No one in this thread has stated yet what is to me the most obvious possibility -- that he has very recently flunked another pee-in-the-cup test, and the Dolphins have just been informed of it but the public has not.
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Hey, howzabout I just quote myself from 6 days ago. :) :eek: :D
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That was very nice, Bruce. Kudos. Did you have an inside source or just innate genius?
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Uhhhhh... well, I'm right so seldom about anything that when I am I have to shout it from the mountaintops. It's sorta like that today.
 
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