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RNC Votes to Stop Working with the Commission on Presidential Debates (1 Viewer)

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Will there be presidential debates in 2024? Republicans cast doubt on the prospect

WASHINGTON – The Republican Party took a step closer Thursday to eliminating presidential debates in the fall of 2024, voting to stop working with the foundation that has organized such debates since 1987.

"The Commission on Presidential Debates is biased and has refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates," said Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee.

 
Since 1987??????!!!!!

Mon Dieu! The nerve of them bypassing such a venerated institution. 

Really, I hate Trump and the Republicans much as a dyed-in-the-wool liberal now does, but this is weak sauce. Who gives a ####? 

 
I've only watched one presidential debate since the 2000 election, and I regret having watched that one.

The post-debate spin and talking points have a tendency to make elections less substantive and more focused on ephemera, if such a thing is even possible.

The "debates" are really just side-by-side press conferences with pre-written zingers.

I don't think we're losing anything of value here.

 
Amused to Death said:
Will there be presidential debates in 2024? Republicans cast doubt on the prospect

WASHINGTON – The Republican Party took a step closer Thursday to eliminating presidential debates in the fall of 2024, voting to stop working with the foundation that has organized such debates since 1987.

"The Commission on Presidential Debates is biased and has refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates," said Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee.
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The most powerful and influential person in the CPD by far is a former longtime RNC Chair, Frank Fahrenkopf, a co-founder and current co-chair. His two co-chairs are from NGOs, one from a small-d democracy-promoting group, and one from the amusingly named "Council on Foundations."

If you are a Republican and you are finding that crew is biased against you, the problem might be you.

That said, I agree with the others who have said there's no great loss here.

 
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Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
That said, I agree with the others who have said there's no great loss here.
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Toby2, I think I missed something or I'm really just picking it up because of now-obviousness and the baseball thread in the FFA. I've been remiss in welcoming you back. I never understood the great need to leave in the first place, but maybe it was for personal reasons (then I totally dig it). If you're who I'm thinking of, that is. 

Your politics still suck eggs, but it's good to hear from an old iFriend. :)

 
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rockaction said:
Toby2, I think I missed something or I'm really just picking it up because of now-obviousness and the baseball thread in the FFA. I've been remiss in welcoming you back. I never understood the great need to leave in the first place, but maybe it was for personal reasons (then I totally dig it). If you're who I'm thinking of, that is. 

Your politics still suck eggs, but it's good to hear from an old iFriend. :)
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Thanks man!  First welcome back I've gotten, actually. Nice to see you and all the other old-timers again too. 

I left for personal reasons, but nothing concerning, just a personal decision, and asked Joe to ban the Tobias account so it wouldn't be easy to come back on a whim. I could explain at length, but nobody wants to hear it. Not sure if/how long I'll stick around this time, we'll see how it goes.

 
Who wants to see politicians debate the merits of issues when we can just have endless sound bites and spin?

 
Enderdog said:
Bring back The League of Women Voters!
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League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud"

Most objectionable to the League, Neuman said, were conditions in the agreement that gave the campaigns unprecedented control over the proceedings. Neuman called "outrageous" the campaigns' demands that they control the selection of questioners, the composition of the audience, hall access for the press and other issues.

Good for them.

 
I don't know, if it wasn't for a Presidential debate prior to the 2016 election I wouldn't have known that Trump met Putin backstage when they were filming 60 Minutes. (Actually it is  when I first learned DJT was not at all credible and was as very, very, far from the most honest person God ever created.)

 
ekbeats said:
The whole Steve Scully mess from the last debate season sunk the Commission imo.  Clear bias there, and not debatable (pun intended).
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Yeah, it's been pretty clear since the commission was founded that their job was to rig the debates in favor of one side of the aisle.  TBH, not sure why it took 35 years for the GOP to figure this out and not drop out much sooner.

 
BladeRunner said:
Yeah, it's been pretty clear since the commission was founded that their job was to rig the debates in favor of one side of the aisle.  TBH, not sure why it took 35 years for the GOP to figure this out and not drop out much sooner.
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Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr. (born August 28, 1939) is an American attorney, political executive, and lobbyist who was chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1983 to 1989. Fahrenkopf is co-founder, and currently co-chairman, of the Commission on Presidential Debates, which conducts the United States general election presidential and vice presidential debates.

 
Amused to Death said:
Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr. (born August 28, 1939) is an American attorney, political executive, and lobbyist who was chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1983 to 1989. Fahrenkopf is co-founder, and currently co-chairman, of the Commission on Presidential Debates, which conducts the United States general election presidential and vice presidential debates.
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Right?  That makes it even worse.

 
I suspect this is all grandstanding and in the end there will be debates. The reason why? If one side refuses to debate, they look like #######. 

 
timschochet said:
I suspect this is all grandstanding and in the end there will be debates. The reason why? If one side refuses to debate, they look like #######. 
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I just totally disagreed with you in Gekko's Latino thread, but this couldn't be more spot-on. They're debating. They just want to "work the refs," in Eric Alterman's words, like in sports. Work the refs a bit. 

 
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BladeRunner said:
Yeah, it's been pretty clear since the commission was founded that their job was to rig the debates in favor of one side of the aisle.  TBH, not sure why it took 35 years for the GOP to figure this out and not drop out much sooner.
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Can you give examples of what made it clearly rigged?  I didn’t follow the specifics of the debates very closely.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
BladeRunner said:
Yeah, it's been pretty clear since the commission was founded that their job was to rig the debates in favor of one side of the aisle.  TBH, not sure why it took 35 years for the GOP to figure this out and not drop out much sooner.
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Can you give examples of what made it clearly rigged?  I didn’t follow the specifics of the debates very closely.
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Begin with why the chairman of the RNC was rigging it against the GOP.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Can you give examples of what made it clearly rigged?  I didn’t follow the specifics of the debates very closely.
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Former Debate Moderator Steve Scully Admits He Lied About Being Hacked To Cover For Anti-Trump Collusion

Former Joe Biden intern gets to moderate the debate. On top of that, he accidentally makes public a tweet he sent to Trump-hater Anthony Scaramucci, then insists he ‘was hacked”.  Twitter investigates and right before they drop the hammer on him he admits that he didn’t get hacked.
 

 
Is anything not rigged these days?  By my count, over the last five years or so...

* Debates are rigged
* Election is rigged
* Media is rigged
* Twitter is rigged
* Big Tech is rigged
* FBI is rigged
* Science is rigged
* Education is rigged

An old saying comes to mind about "if everyone else in the room is..."

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Thanks man!  First welcome back I've gotten, actually. Nice to see you and all the other old-timers again too. 

I left for personal reasons, but nothing concerning, just a personal decision, and asked Joe to ban the Tobias account so it wouldn't be easy to come back on a whim. I could explain at length, but nobody wants to hear it. Not sure if/how long I'll stick around this time, we'll see how it goes.
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I wanna hear it. 

 
timschochet said:
I suspect this is all grandstanding and in the end there will be debates. The reason why? If one side refuses to debate, they look like #######. 
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Too late…

 
Rich Conway said:
Is anything not rigged these days?  By my count, over the last five years or so...

* Debates are rigged
* Election is rigged
* Media is rigged
* Twitter is rigged
* Big Tech is rigged
* FBI is rigged
* Science is rigged
* Education is rigged

An old saying comes to mind about "if everyone else in the room is..."
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Lots of victims out there…

 
Rich Conway said:
Is anything not rigged these days?  By my count, over the last five years or so...

* Debates are rigged
* Election is rigged
* Media is rigged
* Twitter is rigged
* Big Tech is rigged
* FBI is rigged
* Science is rigged
* Education is rigged

An old saying comes to mind about "if everyone else in the room is..."
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I don't like the word "rigged."  "Biased" or "partisan" is probably more apropos. The Left has dominated the social bullhorn recently - the Media, Education, Entertainment industry... That's not to say that there aren't partisan entities on the Right.  Wall Street would be a good example, maybe even the military and the Police.  But the Right doesn't wear its politics on its sleeves like the Left does, so it's less noticeable.  I mean, with 4 years of Trump the Left lost its freaking mind and normalized some pretty horrible behaviors - cancel culture, mobs confronting Conservatives in public and even showing up at their houses, suppression of speech and censorship... That they did all is somewhat understandable.  They saw Trump as an existential threat to the nation.  I was hoping things would get back to normal with Trump losing the election, but it seems to have remained.  And honestly I think it is hurting them with my son's generation (the kids in college right now).

 
ekbeats said:
I don't like the word "rigged."  "Biased" or "partisan" is probably more apropos. The Left has dominated the social bullhorn recently - the Media, Education, Entertainment industry... That's not to say that there aren't partisan entities on the Right.  Wall Street would be a good example, maybe even the military and the Police.  But the Right doesn't wear its politics on its sleeves like the Left does, so it's less noticeable.  I mean, with 4 years of Trump the Left lost its freaking mind and normalized some pretty horrible behaviors - cancel culture, mobs confronting Conservatives in public and even showing up at their houses, suppression of speech and censorship... That they did all is somewhat understandable.  They saw Trump as an existential threat to the nation.  I was hoping things would get back to normal with Trump losing the election, but it seems to have remained.  And honestly I think it is hurting them with my son's generation (the kids in college right now).
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Or...  Maybe the right's perception of "everything is rigged" isn't really reality?  The victimhood complex of the right seems to be a recent phenomenon, starting especially in earnest right around the time Trump became the face of the party.  Coincidental, isn't it, given that Trump's big thing is complaining about being the victim.

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Thanks man!  First welcome back I've gotten, actually. Nice to see you and all the other old-timers again too. 
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I think you ghosted me last time I sent you a text - so #### you man!! Kidding kidding. Good to see you back spouting off in this place

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Thanks man!  First welcome back I've gotten, actually. Nice to see you and all the other old-timers again too. 

I left for personal reasons, but nothing concerning, just a personal decision, and asked Joe to ban the Tobias account so it wouldn't be easy to come back on a whim. I could explain at length, but nobody wants to hear it. Not sure if/how long I'll stick around this time, we'll see how it goes.
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<_<

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/796308-get-your-butt-back-to-the-office/?do=findComment&comment=23962898

 
dozer said:
Chicken.
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Yes. Without even knowing who the candidates are they're frightened by the effect a poor performance might have, even though 538 has shown the debate bounce is transitory (but with close elections, who knows). The debates I remember are Trump getting destroyed by a woman in 2012, and an old stuttering man in 2016. And DeSantis got destroyed by Gillum in the Florida governor's race which almost led to his defeat by a black man who was lesser known and under investigation at the time. DeSantis is a handsome young face (I've been told), but his speech is not charismatic. Rubio would do well in a presidential debate but the RNC knows he has no chance in the primaries. 

 
Amused to Death said:
Begin with why the chairman of the RNC was rigging it against the GOP.
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He was chairman of the RNC back when Reagan was President.  Back then the mainstream media was considered relatively neutral. He might not think he's rigging things by allowing network anchors and reporters to moderate the debates.  But the current GOP believes that the entire mainstream media is biased against them. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
He was chairman of the RNC back when Reagan was President.  Back then the mainstream media was considered relatively neutral. He might not think he's rigging things by allowing network anchors and reporters to moderate the debates.  But the current GOP believes that the entire mainstream media is biased against them. 
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Conservatives believe the GOP is biased against them.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Can you give examples of what made it clearly rigged?  I didn’t follow the specifics of the debates very closely.
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I’m overwhelmed by all of the examples from the actual debates themselves that demonstrate why the debates are “rigged” and not just typical right-wing victim cosplay.

I would like to add my voice to the bipartisan many that find then to be unwatchable horror shows, though. The only one I remember thinking wasn’t that bad was when there was no audience.

 
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BladeRunner said:
I'd rather watch the WNBA instead of a presidential debate.
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I’ve tried to get into basketball in general, but I just can’t get excited for it. I’m bad at it, which might play a part? At any rate,  I’ll find something to do instead of subjecting myself to two old people arguing about each other’s lies.

 
ekbeats said:
I don't like the word "rigged."  "Biased" or "partisan" is probably more apropos. The Left has dominated the social bullhorn recently - the Media, Education, Entertainment industry... That's not to say that there aren't partisan entities on the Right.  Wall Street would be a good example, maybe even the military and the Police.  But the Right doesn't wear its politics on its sleeves like the Left does, so it's less noticeable.  I mean, with 4 years of Trump the Left lost its freaking mind and normalized some pretty horrible behaviors - cancel culture, mobs confronting Conservatives in public and even showing up at their houses, suppression of speech and censorship... That they did all is somewhat understandable.  They saw Trump as an existential threat to the nation.  I was hoping things would get back to normal with Trump losing the election, but it seems to have remained.  And honestly I think it is hurting them with my son's generation (the kids in college right now).
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This isn't unique to "the left".  And things aren't getting back to normal until people realize individuals aren't king maker in a democracy.

That said, I can't remember the last time I watched a debate.  They never give meaningful answers to questions if they even attempt to answer the question.  That should be reason enough to end them.  This happening on the backdrop of the thread on "Did the GOP leave me?" seems appropriate.  The migration away from policy driven politics (if even for show most of the time) to flat out grievance driven politics leaves these things even more useless.  It's tough to put on a show like this (that attempts to discuss political ideology/philosophy) when there are literally no political positions other than saying "no" and continued tax breaks with no breaks in spending.  Should give us all pause when we realize that it's a step UP in political discourse if we would simply got back to talking about actual policy that they are never going to follow through on.  The grievance stuff is boring and ameatur.  

 
Mookie said:
Who wants to see politicians debate the merits of issues when we can just have endless sound bites and spin?
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To be fair, the answers to the debate questions are usually just sound bites and spin as well. 

 
The Commish said:
This isn't unique to "the left".  And things aren't getting back to normal until people realize individuals aren't king maker in a democracy.

That said, I can't remember the last time I watched a debate.  They never give meaningful answers to questions if they even attempt to answer the question.  That should be reason enough to end them.  This happening on the backdrop of the thread on "Did the GOP leave me?" seems appropriate.  The migration away from policy driven politics (if even for show most of the time) to flat out grievance driven politics leaves these things even more useless.  It's tough to put on a show like this (that attempts to discuss political ideology/philosophy) when there are literally no political positions other than saying "no" and continued tax breaks with no breaks in spending.  Should give us all pause when we realize that it's a step UP in political discourse if we would simply got back to talking about actual policy that they are never going to follow through on.  The grievance stuff is boring and ameatur.  
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Can you give me some examples of Conservative cancel culture, Conservative mobs confronting Liberals in public and showing up at their houses, and Conservative suppression of speech and censorship?

 
ekbeats said:
Can you give me some examples of Conservative cancel culture, Conservative mobs confronting Liberals in public and showing up at their houses, and Conservative suppression of speech and censorship?
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In order...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kaepernick
https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*8XU3sY_mbNlSFoUz1vccKQ.jpeg
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/books/book-ban-us-schools.html

Alright, so the second one is a bit tongue in cheek. Cancel culture has existed forever, they just called it different things before. Shunning, blackballing, ostracizing, banishing, disowning, and probably a bunch more. Powerful people (regardless of political affiliation) are just annoyed that it's not only them choosing who is cancelled anymore. Yay democracy?

As for suppression of free speech and censorship, I mean...I'm pretty sure it was a conservative who blurred out Elvis' junk.

 
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rockaction said:
Since 1987??????!!!!!

Mon Dieu! The nerve of them bypassing such a venerated institution. 

Really, I hate Trump and the Republicans much as a dyed-in-the-wool liberal now does, but this is weak sauce. Who gives a ####? 
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Fail.  Darkness hides from the light.  The loss of debates is a threat to the fascist erosion of our democratic republic.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I've only watched one presidential debate since the 2000 election, and I regret having watched that one.

The post-debate spin and talking points have a tendency to make elections less substantive and more focused on ephemera, if such a thing is even possible.

The "debates" are really just side-by-side press conferences with pre-written zingers.

I don't think we're losing anything of value here.
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Agree.   No loss here. 

 
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