Roddy White (1 Viewer)

[AB in DC]

Despite being a consensus top-5 WR at the start of the season, Roddy White is now on pace for just 84/1001/5, which would be his worst numbers in five years. He's barely within the top-25 in ppg in most leagues.

On the flip side, the Top 200 Forward list still ranks him as a top-ten WR for the rest of the year, though I don't know what the logic is there.

At what point do you start benching him for some risky but up-and-coming players who might be on the verge of breaking out? Or do you keep him in your starting lineup and ride him till the sun sets?

 

[Shutout]

I don't own him but have seen him kill some of his teams about as bad as wayne has killed one of mine. I don't think either of these top 10 WRs from a year ago will ever get back to where they were. Next season, I would give Wayne a better chance to bounce back noticeably (say, 80% of last year's production) because if Manning returns, I think that fixes Wayne's issues easier than Roddy's. I just think the falcons are now a different team and its not going to be the Roddy White show anymore.

With that being said, I don't see any scenario where you "cut bait" with him unless you happen to have a player that is just on a hot streak or faces a great matchup (like maybe Roddy faces a really good defense on a day where Torry Smith faces a really weak one). Otherwise, he has the ability to have a really good day; they just aren't coming like they did last year.

 

[shadyridr]

Despite being a consensus top-5 WR at the start of the season, Roddy White is now on pace for just 84/1001/5, which would be his worst numbers in five years. He's barely within the top-25 in ppg in most leagues. On the flip side, the Top 200 Forward list still ranks him as a top-ten WR for the rest of the year, though I don't know what the logic is there.At what point do you start benching him for some risky but up-and-coming players who might be on the verge of breaking out? Or do you keep him in your starting lineup and ride him till the sun sets?

Starting Jordy & Denarius over him this week and for the forseeable future.

 

[Banger]

With Julio hobbled you may want to wait a week or so as he might get some increased value in the short term. In my dynasty league I sold him 2 weeks ago after having him for 3 years.

 

[Dentist]

What i don't understand is what happened.... did the guy really lose it in one year? he's only 30?

This is the part of FFL that really bugs me. It's one thing to get hurt, it's another thing to gradually decline and phase out... but I've been snakebit two years in a row by marked declines in production.. Roddy this year.. and to an even greater extreme Randy Moss last year.

I can't even comprehend how that happens.

But it amplifies the extreme luck factor in ffl

 

[Gr00vus]

His YPC is .1 less than last year. He's on pace for fewer targets, and Tony Gonzales has as many TDs now as he did all of last year - at White's expense I figure. White just hasn't been getting the same opportunity level as the past couple of years. I'm trading for him as he has some decent match ups on the horizon, but he'd be my WR2/3 if I get him.

 

[solorca]

Personally, I have been fine with his performance. Sure, I would love to get more big games from him, but he's putting up solid points in PPR every week. Granted, I'm starting him as my WR2, but he's netted me more than 10 points every week except one...which is much more consistent than a majority of the other players in the WR2 range.

Yes, it's frustrating if you have him as your top receiver, but when you look at what he actually is at this point, he's not a bad guy to have around. Then again, I traded Jahvid Best for him a few weeks ago, so I'm probably not as bitter as someone who drafted him to be their stud receiver.

 

[dickey moe]

Roddy's been a very reliable WR1 the past few years but last year's production, despite his talent, was an aberration and obviously inflated his value. Last season/beginning of this season was the time to sell him in dynasty. I think you're likely to see Andre Johnson along the same path (the last two seasons he's had injuries and he's not getting any younger). It's probably one of the most difficult things in dynasty -- how do you best time the trading away of a super-talented yet aging WR?

 

[zamboni]

It seems as though he's dropped a lot more passes than he has in years past. Plus, Ryan has taken a step back this year.

Some also surmise that Roddy may be a bit upset due to the Falcons basically trading their draft away to get Julio Jones. He's always struck me as a gamer, so I don't know how accurate that is, but it's one theory.

 

[Khy]

He's the same player as last year with the same opportunity. He's dropped about 5 passes that were perfectly thrown to him in the end zone. He catches those and all of a sudden he's probably Top 5 in most leagues. There was also the one week where on two consecutive drives he was targeted in the end zone and pretty much tackled. PI was called and Turner ran in a one yard TD on both drives

He has had the chances just failed to catch the big plays. He had the game winning TD this past week go right through his hands in the last seconds of the 4th Q.

 

[24seven]

He's the same player as last year with the same opportunity. He's dropped about 5 passes that were perfectly thrown to him in the end zone. He catches those and all of a sudden he's probably Top 5 in most leagues. There was also the one week where on two consecutive drives he was targeted in the end zone and pretty much tackled. PI was called and Turner ran in a one yard TD on both drives He has had the chances just failed to catch the big plays. He had the game winning TD this past week go right through his hands in the last seconds of the 4th Q.

this. great post.

 

[Gr00vus]

He's the same player as last year with the same opportunity.

He's averaging 2 less targets a game this year (9) vs. last year (11). That's about 18% less opportunity.While his YPC is virtually the same, his conversion rate is 56% vs. 64% last year, so he's also squandering more of his fewer opportunities.

 

[zamboni]

He's the same player as last year with the same opportunity.

He's averaging 2 less targets a game this year (9) vs. last year (11). That's about 18% less opportunity.While his YPC is virtually the same, his conversion rate is 56% vs. 64% last year, so he's also squandering more of his fewer opportunities.

Correct - the number of targets have gone down a tad, and he's doing less with them. So the question begs as to why he's dropping more balls this year - it's not like he forgot how to catch. Maybe there is something to possibly not being happy about the Jones drafting.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Great topic because I have been considering cutting ties with Roddy in my dynasty league. I can deal Roddy and Earl Bennett or Laurent Robinson for Witten and Wayne. I think Julio is taking the targets away and combined with Ryan (until last week) has been throwing for fewer yards. Even with Ryan throwing for 300+ Roddy still managed only 50-60 of those yards.

I am ready to cut ties but scares me to do so.

 

[Gr00vus]

Great topic because I have been considering cutting ties with Roddy in my dynasty league. I can deal Roddy and Earl Bennett or Laurent Robinson for Witten and Wayne. I think Julio is taking the targets away and combined with Ryan (until last week) has been throwing for fewer yards. Even with Ryan throwing for 300+ Roddy still managed only 50-60 of those yards.

I am ready to cut ties but scares me to do so.

And if not him (and I don't know that they can count on him this year if they don't let that hamstring heal) it's Harry Douglas.I'm thinking there will be a little resurgence for White if the D needs to start accounting for the other guys.

The drops - who knows?

I'm thinking he's a buy at reduced price. Condolences if he was a high round pick for you though.

 

[FavreCo]

It seems as though he's dropped a lot more passes than he has in years past. Plus, Ryan has taken a step back this year. Some also surmise that Roddy may be a bit upset due to the Falcons basically trading their draft away to get Julio Jones. He's always struck me as a gamer, so I don't know how accurate that is, but it's one theory.

I'll add that the playcalling for the most part is atrocious. Sometimes they line up with only 1 WR. Everyone else packed in tight with a FB and Turner on things like 2nd and 8. Wonder what they plan on doing? Yep run Turner for 1 yard up the gut. Now it's 3rd & 7. Mularkey's name fits his playcalling.

 

[Khy]

It seems as though he's dropped a lot more passes than he has in years past. Plus, Ryan has taken a step back this year. Some also surmise that Roddy may be a bit upset due to the Falcons basically trading their draft away to get Julio Jones. He's always struck me as a gamer, so I don't know how accurate that is, but it's one theory.

I'll add that the playcalling for the most part is atrocious. Sometimes they line up with only 1 WR. Everyone else packed in tight with a FB and Turner on things like 2nd and 8. Wonder what they plan on doing? Yep run Turner for 1 yard up the gut. Now it's 3rd & 7. Mularkey's name fits his playcalling.

This is a very valid point. I've noticed tons of 1 Wide packages on 2nd and 3rd down. Most of which have the WR bunched with a TE. I'm all for bunch formations I think they are a great way to disguise a plays true target. At the same time having that many plays in said formation hurts.

 

[ratbast]

I bought him a few weeks ago and have no choice but to ride him and hope for solid end of the year production. Beats starting Wayne, Tampa Mike and AJ!

 

[Shutout]

I bought him a few weeks ago and have no choice but to ride him and hope for solid end of the year production. Beats starting Wayne, Tampa Mike and AJ!

I think the difference over the course of the year between him and wayne is literally like "Roddy has 2 more TDs". Aside from that, their number of catches is pretty even, yardage, etc. I think Roddy has about 14 more points on the year (1.4/game). Starting to make me think for people that are looking to acquire roddy for a late run or whatever, why not just get Wayne? He would be much cheaper and both seem to be giving you about 8-10 a game. The upside seems more with roddy but for the price, the reality of the past ten weeks suggests Wayne is as good a buy for much cheaper.

 

[Gr00vus]

I bought him a few weeks ago and have no choice but to ride him and hope for solid end of the year production. Beats starting Wayne, Tampa Mike and AJ!

I think the difference over the course of the year between him and wayne is literally like "Roddy has 2 more TDs". Aside from that, their number of catches is pretty even, yardage, etc. I think Roddy has about 14 more points on the year (1.4/game). Starting to make me think for people that are looking to acquire roddy for a late run or whatever, why not just get Wayne? He would be much cheaper and both seem to be giving you about 8-10 a game. The upside seems more with roddy but for the price, the reality of the past ten weeks suggests Wayne is as good a buy for much cheaper.

That's why.

 

[Knowlt]

I just moved Roddy + Gates + David Nelson for AJ Green and Fred Davis in 12 team dynasty

 

[DeaLerZ]

It seems as though he's dropped a lot more passes than he has in years past. Plus, Ryan has taken a step back this year. Some also surmise that Roddy may be a bit upset due to the Falcons basically trading their draft away to get Julio Jones. He's always struck me as a gamer, so I don't know how accurate that is, but it's one theory.

I'll add that the playcalling for the most part is atrocious. Sometimes they line up with only 1 WR. Everyone else packed in tight with a FB and Turner on things like 2nd and 8. Wonder what they plan on doing? Yep run Turner for 1 yard up the gut. Now it's 3rd & 7. Mularkey's name fits his playcalling.

This is a very valid point. I've noticed tons of 1 Wide packages on 2nd and 3rd down. Most of which have the WR bunched with a TE. I'm all for bunch formations I think they are a great way to disguise a plays true target. At the same time having that many plays in said formation hurts.

it is amazing how a guy who has been a "consistent" point of reference in fantasy football for what we all can hope other WR's would be like would drop off so fast... i feel like in the 2nd half of the season some of the "drops" will be catches.. and he will get 2-3 games somewhere in the vicinity of 100yds, and 2-3 games somewhere with a TD.. but who knows

 

[barista]

Gave Brandon Jacobs for him... his value is at a low. Time to trade for him.

 

[TheFootballJesus]

Gave Brandon Jacobs for him... his value is at a low. Time to trade for him.

I wouldn't trade him for Jacobs unless I had to win this week to make the playoffs.

 

[cvnpoka]

man i remember that htread this offseason that argued this guy over calvin.

 

[TS Garp]

He's gone over 80 yards once all season. At this point last season, he'd been over 80 yards 5 times. I've heard rumors that his knee is still bothering him. Hard to say -- could be a non-issue or it could be one of those cases where we find out in the off-season that he was hobbled by it all year and was playing at 80%.

 

[Power Monster]

Major BUST!

 

[solorca]

5 catches, 100 yards. I doubt he'll get too much more today because Atlanta is getting ready to put this game out of reach, but it's nice to get a solid 100 yard effort from Roddy today.

 

[DeaLerZ]

He's gone over 80 yards once all season. At this point last season, he'd been over 80 yards 5 times. I've heard rumors that his knee is still bothering him. Hard to say -- could be a non-issue or it could be one of those cases where we find out in the off-season that he was hobbled by it all year and was playing at 80%.

don't think anything is bother him today... he has 5 for 100yds so far

Major BUST!

Too early to say that... in PPR leagues he has been pretty consistant.. and gotten more than 10pts every week but one

 

[shadyridr]

5 catches, 100 yards. I doubt he'll get too much more today because Atlanta is getting ready to put this game out of reach, but it's nice to get a solid 100 yard effort from Roddy today.

but still no tds. this team is way too conservative formhim tombe anything more than wr2 this yr

 

[Tango]

5 catches, 100 yards. I doubt he'll get too much more today because Atlanta is getting ready to put this game out of reach, but it's nice to get a solid 100 yard effort from Roddy today.

but still no tds. this team is way too conservative formhim tombe anything more than wr2 this yr

Lots of onions for White owners today. 2 would-a/could-a be TDs, but Im sure they'll take the yards and be pacified with them for now

 

[DeaLerZ]

7 catches for 147 yds now

 

[Tango]

5 catches, 100 yards. I doubt he'll get too much more today because Atlanta is getting ready to put this game out of reach, but it's nice to get a solid 100 yard effort from Roddy today.

but still no tds. this team is way too conservative formhim tombe anything more than wr2 this yr

Lots of onions for White owners today. 2 would-a/could-a be TDs, but Im sure they'll take the yards and be pacified with them for now

it would have come back anyway, but that was another could have been White TD

 

[Tango]

5 catches, 100 yards. I doubt he'll get too much more today because Atlanta is getting ready to put this game out of reach, but it's nice to get a solid 100 yard effort from Roddy today.

but still no tds. this team is way too conservative formhim tombe anything more than wr2 this yr

Lots of onions for White owners today. 2 would-a/could-a be TDs, but Im sure they'll take the yards and be pacified with them for now

it would have come back anyway, but that was another could have been White TD

oh geez, of his hands. tough one though

 

[DeaLerZ]

5 catches, 100 yards. I doubt he'll get too much more today because Atlanta is getting ready to put this game out of reach, but it's nice to get a solid 100 yard effort from Roddy today.

but still no tds. this team is way too conservative formhim tombe anything more than wr2 this yr

Lots of onions for White owners today. 2 would-a/could-a be TDs, but Im sure they'll take the yards and be pacified with them for now

it would have come back anyway, but that was another could have been White TD

and another.... dropped it in the back of the endzone... was a little high.. but still he should have caught that one

 

[TheFootballJesus]

Owning this guy is such a frustrating experience. Even on his good days he's leaving points on the field this year.

 

[Shutout]

I think what we learned today is he has went from no brainer starter to situational. Julio's presence has definitly affected how the falcons use him and the coach actually flat out said they were hoping (and got) a particular matchup today and decided to stay with it.

While the results were great for those who own him, I hate it when your stud players become necessary to look at matchups.

 

[solorca]

I think what we learned today is he has went from no brainer starter to situational. Julio's presence has definitly affected how the falcons use him and the coach actually flat out said they were hoping (and got) a particular matchup today and decided to stay with it. While the results were great for those who own him, I hate it when your stud players become necessary to look at matchups.

Personally, I consider him an every week starter. I play in a PPR, so I'm sure that skews it a little bit, but he has consistently put up over 10 points almost every week this season in my league (one game against Carolina/Chris Gamble he was under), so he's remarkably reliable...just not a WR1. I consider him a mid-range WR2.

 

[DeaLerZ]

I think what we learned today is he has went from no brainer starter to situational. Julio's presence has definitly affected how the falcons use him and the coach actually flat out said they were hoping (and got) a particular matchup today and decided to stay with it. While the results were great for those who own him, I hate it when your stud players become necessary to look at matchups.

how did we learn that... I think he is a borderline #1 the rest of the way.. TEN was actually not the best match-up and I think he had a pretty good game... definitely could of had a couple of TD's and 50 more yards easily

 

[shadyridr]

I think what we learned today is he has went from no brainer starter to situational. Julio's presence has definitly affected how the falcons use him and the coach actually flat out said they were hoping (and got) a particular matchup today and decided to stay with it. While the results were great for those who own him, I hate it when your stud players become necessary to look at matchups.

how did we learn that... I think he is a borderline #1 the rest of the way.. TEN was actually not the best match-up and I think he had a pretty good game... definitely could of had a couple of TD's and 50 more yards easily

ive heard coulda woulda all yr about him. heck this was a great game from him and im mad i benched him but this coulda woulda stuff has gotta stop

 

[The Jerk]

ive heard coulda woulda all yr about him. heck this was a great game from him and im mad i benched him but this coulda woulda stuff has gotta stop

It's true that I've yet to be in a league where dropped TDs, pass interferences, etc. earned points. However, all other things being equal, I'd much rather have a receiver who is getting these "near TD" opportunities than one who is not.White has been a real disappointment to most of his owners, but the fact that he's still getting targets including chances at TDs remains a plus to me. Frustrated definitely, but still hopeful.

 

[DeaLerZ]

ive heard coulda woulda all yr about him. heck this was a great game from him and im mad i benched him but this coulda woulda stuff has gotta stop

It's true that I've yet to be in a league where dropped TDs, pass interferences, etc. earned points. However, all other things being equal, I'd much rather have a receiver who is getting these "near TD" opportunities than one who is not.White has been a real disappointment to most of his owners, but the fact that he's still getting targets including chances at TDs remains a plus to me. Frustrated definitely, but still hopeful.

my thoughts exactly

 

[Darryl Talley]

113 - 1 TD

Whatever was bothering him earlier must be fully healed now!

 

[AB in DC]

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. Some very convincing arguments in favor of keeping Roddy White in the lineup -- looks like the right call now.

 

[Shlon]

Ryan has been playing much better the past few weeks and that's great for Roddy owners.

 

[The Jerk]

Roddy White is an example of when patience can pay off for a fantasy owner. Also, it highlights the value in buying low...

Really, putting up the best fantasy numbers from mid-November forward is exactly what we want in our players -- assuming a sufficient number of other players kept your team afloat in the earlier part of the season. My most difficult player evaluation issue is discerning the difference between patience and stubbornness. This year, waiting for White to pick it up and not trading him away was an exhibition of patience. For other years/players, I have stayed too long with an underperforming player and this stubbornness of not knowing when to move on has been a negative.

In this case, the targets and sundry "excuses" for not getting TDs earlier in the year were a false negative concerning Roddy's value. And to me, it shows that trusting the track record and age of a receiver can inform you that the player is more likely to return to good production and not indicate the start of the decline of a career.