Roethlisberger Decision due Monday 4/12 (1 Viewer)

[phthalatemagic]

it appears that he is a sexual predator and, generally speaking, kind of a jerk.

this. I want them to trade him. I know those Rams rumors are a pipe dream, but I hope something similar pops up before draft day.

Be careful what you wish for. Oh how soon Steeler Nation forgets all the bad years between Bradshaw to Ben. How many of those Steeler teams with great defenses and running attacks won Superbowls with the likes of Brister, O'Donnell, Kordell or Maddox at qb. Let us not forget gems like Woodley, Stoudt, Graham and Tomczack just to name a few more bums. Ben has not been charged let alone convicted of a crime. Does Ben need to change some things in his life outside of football? Yes, but you guys are way overreacting. We have players still in the league who have KILLED another person and there was not even close to the outcry to banish those players like there is for Ben. Two of those players have stayed with their original team for years. You guys are crazy if you want Ben traded over an unproven allegation.

That's all I keep hearing. believe me, I remember it all too well. I was a youngin in the late 70s and remember the 2nd Dallas and Rams SB wins. I remember the mess at QB for the next 20+ years that followed. 100% honesty -- I would rather the Steelers win or lose with Dixon than have a POS like Roeth on the roster anymore.

I hope there are more Steelers fans like you, than fans that would do/say anything to justify BR's existence on their favorite team.

 

[Godsbrother]

That's all I keep hearing. believe me, I remember it all too well. I was a youngin in the late 70s and remember the 2nd Dallas and Rams SB wins. I remember the mess at QB for the next 20+ years that followed. 100% honesty -- I would rather the Steelers win or lose with Dixon than have a POS like Roeth on the roster anymore.

I share your anger and if the Steelers can get a decent return in a trade I would have no problem with it. However I do not want to see Roethlisberger released or traded for next to nothing ala Santonio Holmes.Losing Holmes is going to hurt but losing he and Roethlisberger and getting almost nothing in return would set back this franchise for years. I realize there is more to it but in the end it is football and what you do on the field DOES matter.We know absolutely nothing about Dixon and there is no way you can turn over the starting job to him without having any serious competition on the roster. I love Charlie Batch but he is the most brittle QB in the league and his days of a starting QB are long behind him (he makes a questionable backup IMO). I think you just have to trust that the Rooneys will do the right thing. If that means standing by the dirtbag for another year or two then I'll hold my nose and do it. I use the same approach for pretty much every presidential election.

 

[phthalatemagic]

1. I apologize if I didn't incorporate the entire pissing contest between you an AP into my comments. At the time I responded to your post, I had not read the previous dialouge between you two. I merely commented on the single post itself and read the single post for what it was worth.

Apology accepted.

2. What is an "internet" lawyer as opposed to a "real" lawyer?

Real lawyer - someone that does lawyer stuff in real life.

Internet lawyer - someone that wants to do lawyer stuff on the internet, where it doesn't belong. You can take this thread for example. Many people are talking past each other. Why? There are normal people (like me) that want to talk about what really happened, and there are internet lawyers that want to define every word within its legal parameters, allowing what really happened to be defined as what happened legally. I don't think I need to explain to you that people that depend on defining what really happens though what happens legally are mistaken.

3. When you suggest that my comments are merely an academic exercise, you open yourself up to me explaining why my comments are not an academic exercise. I have my own passions for these issues and I have spent a lot of effort in my career addressing these types of issues. I understand first hand how the law and the rules of evidence that apply in the courtroom lend credence to AP's remarks that I commented on. That is not to discredit your own passions or your own conclusions about the entire incident.

Thanks for explaining yourself. The more you say here, the more it sounds like this is (you guessed it)

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

That's all I keep hearing. believe me, I remember it all too well. I was a youngin in the late 70s and remember the 2nd Dallas and Rams SB wins. I remember the mess at QB for the next 20+ years that followed. 100% honesty -- I would rather the Steelers win or lose with Dixon than have a POS like Roeth on the roster anymore.

I share your anger and if the Steelers can get a decent return in a trade I would have no problem with it. However I do not want to see Roethlisberger released or traded for next to nothing ala Santonio Holmes.Losing Holmes is going to hurt but losing he and Roethlisberger and getting almost nothing in return would set back this franchise for years. I realize there is more to it but in the end it is football and what you do on the field DOES matter.We know absolutely nothing about Dixon and there is no way you can turn over the starting job to him without having any serious competition on the roster. I love Charlie Batch but he is the most brittle QB in the league and his days of a starting QB are long behind him (he makes a questionable backup IMO). I think you just have to trust that the Rooneys will do the right thing. If that means standing by the dirtbag for another year or two then I'll hold my nose and do it. I use the same approach for pretty much every presidential election.

FTR, I don't want them to give him away / cut him either. I just really hope some StL/Oak type team offers PIT something wothwhile.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

it appears that he is a sexual predator and, generally speaking, kind of a jerk.

this. I want them to trade him. I know those Rams rumors are a pipe dream, but I hope something similar pops up before draft day.

Be careful what you wish for. Oh how soon Steeler Nation forgets all the bad years between Bradshaw to Ben. How many of those Steeler teams with great defenses and running attacks won Superbowls with the likes of Brister, O'Donnell, Kordell or Maddox at qb. Let us not forget gems like Woodley, Stoudt, Graham and Tomczack just to name a few more bums. Ben has not been charged let alone convicted of a crime. Does Ben need to change some things in his life outside of football? Yes, but you guys are way overreacting. We have players still in the league who have KILLED another person and there was not even close to the outcry to banish those players like there is for Ben. Two of those players have stayed with their original team for years. You guys are crazy if you want Ben traded over an unproven allegation.

That's all I keep hearing. believe me, I remember it all too well. I was a youngin in the late 70s and remember the 2nd Dallas and Rams SB wins. I remember the mess at QB for the next 20+ years that followed. 100% honesty -- I would rather the Steelers win or lose with Dixon than have a POS like Roeth on the roster anymore.

I agree. It's going to be tough cheering for my team with him at QB. I already was on the fence with him just based on everything I had already heard/knew about him prior to these women coming forward publicly.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Ben has not been charged let alone convicted of a crime. Does Ben need to change some things in his life outside of football? Yes, but you guys are way overreacting. We have players still in the league who have KILLED another person and there was not even close to the outcry to banish those players like there is for Ben. Two of those players have stayed with their original team for years. You guys are crazy if you want Ben traded over an unproven allegation.

You make an excellent point. While I find Roethlisberger's attitude towards women appalling there are players on other teams that have committed acts as bad or worse and are accepted by their fan base and around the league. Ray Lewis was charged for murder and aggravated assault and had the charges dropped in exchange for pleading guilty to obstruction of justice. The NFL fined him but he received no suspension. Today the NFL Network uses Lewis in advertisements to sell team apparel.

And then of course there is Leonard Little, Michael Vick, Donte Stallworth, etc. Michael Irvin has a very checkered past but yet he is still in front of the camera and was inducted to the HoF. The list goes on and on.

Eventually this will no longer be a news story and the media will turn it sights on another scandal. If the lunkhead can keep his nose clean from here on out and play winning football then most of this will just fade away.

Mike Vick won a courage award.

 

[CrossEyed]

Art Rooney II meeting with the media at 2:30 p.m. to discuss the Roethlisberger situation.

Team suspension coming?

 

[Godsbrother]

Art Rooney II meeting with the media at 2:30 p.m. to discuss the Roethlisberger situation.

Team suspension coming?

Art Rooney Unlikely To Announce Suspension At Press Conference

by Joel Thorman

When the Steelers announced team president Art Rooney II will hold a 2:30 PM press conference to announce the Ben Roethlisberger situation, a lot of folks assumed that would be to announce that Roethlisberger has been disciplined in some way.

ESPN's Adam Schefter now reports it "doesn't sound like" Rooney will announce any sort of suspension.

This doesn't mean it won't happen. In fact, the prevailing sentiment is that he will receive some sort of suspension but it won't be announced at this press conference.

 

[moondog]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10105/1050765-100.stm - from today

 

[r3t2]

it appears that he is a sexual predator and, generally speaking, kind of a jerk.

this. I want them to trade him. I know those Rams rumors are a pipe dream, but I hope something similar pops up before draft day.

Be careful what you wish for. Oh how soon Steeler Nation forgets all the bad years between Bradshaw to Ben. How many of those Steeler teams with great defenses and running attacks won Superbowls with the likes of Brister, O'Donnell, Kordell or Maddox at qb. Let us not forget gems like Woodley, Stoudt, Graham and Tomczack just to name a few more bums. Ben has not been charged let alone convicted of a crime. Does Ben need to change some things in his life outside of football? Yes, but you guys are way overreacting. We have players still in the league who have KILLED another person and there was not even close to the outcry to banish those players like there is for Ben. Two of those players have stayed with their original team for years. You guys are crazy if you want Ben traded over an unproven allegation.

That's all I keep hearing. believe me, I remember it all too well. I was a youngin in the late 70s and remember the 2nd Dallas and Rams SB wins. I remember the mess at QB for the next 20+ years that followed. 100% honesty -- I would rather the Steelers win or lose with Dixon than have a POS like Roeth on the roster anymore.

i second this; would rather go 8-8 with dixon...don't want to root for a creep. IF he did this, i say get rid of him, and i don't care what that means to the steelers record.

 

[Godsbrother]

The Steelers will discipline Roethlisberger but it will be in coordination with the commissioner's office. In other words there will only be one punishment. Apparently it is expected this will be announced in a couple weeks.

 

[Copeman]

Roethlisberger discipline a couple of weeks away

Thursday, April 15, 2010

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Disciplinary action against Ben Roethlisberger is a couple of weeks away and will be done in conjunction by the Steelers and the NFL, team President Art Rooney said this afternoon.

He said the team is prepared to take disciplinary action but the NFL commissioner's office is doing a lengthier review.

At a press conference at team headquarters, Mr. Rooney said he has told the quarterback there will be consequences for his actions, including an incident in Georgia that led to a woman accusing him of sexual assault.

Prosecutors said they would not file criminal charges in the case.

Mr. Rooney said Mr. Roethlisberger was allowed to rejoin the team for workouts this week because team officials assured themselves the quarterback was sincerely contrite.

Mr. Rooney said it seemed likely the discipline would be announced after the NFL draft.

 

[Steelfan7]

it appears that he is a sexual predator and, generally speaking, kind of a jerk.

this. I want them to trade him. I know those Rams rumors are a pipe dream, but I hope something similar pops up before draft day.

Be careful what you wish for. Oh how soon Steeler Nation forgets all the bad years between Bradshaw to Ben. How many of those Steeler teams with great defenses and running attacks won Superbowls with the likes of Brister, O'Donnell, Kordell or Maddox at qb. Let us not forget gems like Woodley, Stoudt, Graham and Tomczack just to name a few more bums. Ben has not been charged let alone convicted of a crime. Does Ben need to change some things in his life outside of football? Yes, but you guys are way overreacting. We have players still in the league who have KILLED another person and there was not even close to the outcry to banish those players like there is for Ben. Two of those players have stayed with their original team for years. You guys are crazy if you want Ben traded over an unproven allegation.

That's all I keep hearing. believe me, I remember it all too well. I was a youngin in the late 70s and remember the 2nd Dallas and Rams SB wins. I remember the mess at QB for the next 20+ years that followed.

100% honesty -- I would rather the Steelers win or lose with Dixon than have a POS like Roeth on the roster anymore.

i second this; would rather go 8-8 with dixon...don't want to root for a creep. IF he did this, i say get rid of him, and i don't care what that means to the steelers record.

Your dreaming if you think this team will go 8-8 with Dixon as the starting qb for 16 games. More like 6-10 or 5-11 or worse. This Steeler team does not have the power running attack to rely on like in Cowher's days nor is the defense what it once was.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I think Mendenhall is plenty capable of having a big year, although the box would undoubtedly be stacked if Dixon is back there instead of Roeth

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Your dreaming if you think this team will go 8-8 with Dixon as the starting qb for 16 games. More like 6-10 or 5-11 or worse. This Steeler team does not have the power running attack to rely on like in Cowher's days nor is the defense what it once was.

the same Dixon, that in his first NFL start, took the Ravens (a top 8 team last year) into overtime? Yeah, OK. 5-11.

 

[Steelfan7]

Your dreaming if you think this team will go 8-8 with Dixon as the starting qb for 16 games. More like 6-10 or 5-11 or worse. This Steeler team does not have the power running attack to rely on like in Cowher's days nor is the defense what it once was.

the same Dixon, that in his first NFL start, took the Ravens (a top 8 team last year) into overtime? Yeah, OK. 5-11.

What's to laugh at. Need I remind you that this team with Ben lost to the Browns, Chiefs, Raiders and got swept by the Bengals last yr. Dixon is 0-1 as starting qb. This team is not built like when Ben was a rookie and a qb could be protected and the defense would pick up the slack. I wish it was, but reality tells us different. Fire Bruce Arians please. I might be able to stomach them trading Ben if BA is packaged with him.

 

[Godsbrother]

i second this; would rather go 8-8 with dixon...don't want to root for a creep. IF he did this, i say get rid of him, and i don't care what that means to the steelers record.

Your dreaming if you think this team will go 8-8 with Dixon as the starting qb for 16 games. More like 6-10 or 5-11 or worse. This Steeler team does not have the power running attack to rely on like in Cowher's days nor is the defense what it once was.

I couldn't blame the Rooneys if they sever ties with Roethlisberger but I think the Steelers post thier first losing season under Tomlin with Dixon at QB. He might come out and shock us but he is too green to expect any better.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

As the resident Steelers O-line critic, let me just remind all of you that this crew is horrible, absolutely terrible at run blocking. Their pass blocking is servicable, but their run blocking is horrid. Now throw in an unproven Dennis Dixon and subtract one Santonio Holmes. You're talking about 8 and 9 man fronts. Mendy is going nowhere in that situation.

So I guess we could just rely on our defense to win games for us. Oh. Wait. (Let's not forget that Baltimore added Boldin and Cincy added whatsisname)

Stand on your principles all you want. This team minus Ben and Santonio goes AT BEST 5-11.

 

[Godsbrother]

As the resident Steelers O-line critic, let me just remind all of you that this crew is horrible, absolutely terrible at run blocking. Their pass blocking is servicable, but their run blocking is horrid. Now throw in an unproven Dennis Dixon and subtract one Santonio Holmes. You're talking about 8 and 9 man fronts. Mendy is going nowhere in that situation.So I guess we could just rely on our defense to win games for us. Oh. Wait. (Let's not forget that Baltimore added Boldin and Cincy added whatsisname)Stand on your principles all you want. This team minus Ben and Santonio goes AT BEST 5-11.

I can't argue with anything you said though I suppose you could make the argument that if the Steelers got a #1 for BR then you could take a couple lineman (Bulaga, Iupati, Pouncey) and dramatically improve the oline. Then you have another 10 picks to sure up the secondary, D-line and WR. Probably still finish under .500 but you would have the makings of a pretty good young team.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

As the resident Steelers O-line critic, let me just remind all of you that this crew is horrible, absolutely terrible at run blocking. Their pass blocking is servicable, but their run blocking is horrid. Now throw in an unproven Dennis Dixon and subtract one Santonio Holmes. You're talking about 8 and 9 man fronts. Mendy is going nowhere in that situation.So I guess we could just rely on our defense to win games for us. Oh. Wait. (Let's not forget that Baltimore added Boldin and Cincy added whatsisname)Stand on your principles all you want. This team minus Ben and Santonio goes AT BEST 5-11.

I can't argue with anything you said though I suppose you could make the argument that if the Steelers got a #1 for BR then you could take a couple lineman (Bulaga, Iupati, Pouncey) and dramatically improve the oline. Then you have another 10 picks to sure up the secondary, D-line and WR. Probably still finish under .500 but you would have the makings of a pretty good young team.

Sure. They'd (hopefully) recover from it...but it would be a couple of years.

 

[CrossEyed]

As the resident Steelers O-line critic, let me just remind all of you that this crew is horrible, absolutely terrible at run blocking. Their pass blocking is servicable, but their run blocking is horrid. Now throw in an unproven Dennis Dixon and subtract one Santonio Holmes. You're talking about 8 and 9 man fronts. Mendy is going nowhere in that situation.So I guess we could just rely on our defense to win games for us. Oh. Wait. (Let's not forget that Baltimore added Boldin and Cincy added whatsisname)Stand on your principles all you want. This team minus Ben and Santonio goes AT BEST 5-11.

I can't argue with anything you said though I suppose you could make the argument that if the Steelers got a #1 for BR then you could take a couple lineman (Bulaga, Iupati, Pouncey) and dramatically improve the oline. Then you have another 10 picks to sure up the secondary, D-line and WR. Probably still finish under .500 but you would have the makings of a pretty good young team.

Sure. They'd (hopefully) recover from it...but it would be a couple of years.

I'd be willing to give them a couple of years.