wadegarrett
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Well?
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Roger Clemens: Steroid User? (1 Viewer)
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Why isn't there a "Yes - now but not in the past"?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Because you're ugly.Next.
creeps1313
Footballguy
of course...they all have
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Up until 45-60 days ago, yes.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Who's "they all" refer to?
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
After looking at the poll results its nice to see that the "experts" are wrong in thinking fans only believe that batters and not pitchers juice.
dparker713
Footballguy
Wow, there is pretty much zero evidence on Clemens. This is all just speculation.
Only because MLB is trying to protect everyone but Bonds.Trust me when it does spill no one will be safe.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
No one? Damn, some of you guys are all full of hyperbole.
HellToupee
Footballguy
cripes the Angels won a WS with a juiced up pen
dparker713
Footballguy
Im actually waiting for a shred of evidence before I sell everyone down the river. Hey, Im not claiming that such claims are beyond the realm of possibility, but so far no one has produced anything beyond speculation for the vast majority of baseball players. PS - its not baseball that outted Bonds, and there is nothing they could have done to protect him
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
cobalt_27
Footballguy
It's a great book. Not sure how you would take from their reporting, though, that everyone's going to get indicted. Certainly Bonds, Giambi, and a host of many other players were connected to BALCO or some other outfit that supplied them with steroids and HGH. And, the problem is far more widespread than anyone could have imagined (except, of course, the typical 6'4" 240lb FBG who has an average IQ of 140 and knew of this all along). But, I don't think it's accurate to sell the whole farm. Clearly many players used. But, that shouldn't translate into "no one will be safe." Plenty will.
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dparker713
Footballguy
Game of Shadows and BALCO did not implicate Clemens. Grimsley kinda did, however the prosecutor in his case denied the accuracy of the news reports:
"In view of the recent news reports purporting to identify certain athletes whose names had been redacted from the government's search warrant filings in the Grimsley matter, and in the interests of justice, please be advised that these reports contain significant inaccuracies."
But hey, what fun is it to actually require a substantiated link when we can just wildly speculate?
"In view of the recent news reports purporting to identify certain athletes whose names had been redacted from the government's search warrant filings in the Grimsley matter, and in the interests of justice, please be advised that these reports contain significant inaccuracies."
But hey, what fun is it to actually require a substantiated link when we can just wildly speculate?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Never said it did.
It will never move beyond speculation. It's the perfect 'out' for all the cheaters and those defending them.
dparker713
Footballguy
So, because you have zero evidence, thats a reason to convict someone?!? Sorry, I don't live in your bizzaro world. Seems to me that pointing out that you have no evidence isn't an out, though given the amount of idiots that believe in 9/11 conspiracies I guess I see a pattern in your thinking.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Sure you do...you just didn't realize it...
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
My instinct is yes, because the human body is not known to perform at this level at this age. And if he did use, I only hope it sees the light of day before his HOF induction, because keep him out if you're keeping Bonds out. There are mild differences, I mean, Bonds is going to own probably the two juiceiest pure records in baseball, the single season and all time home run records, and that history will be stained until someone yanks those crowns off his head. Clemens piled up stats, and maybe two Cy Young awards, probably one in that time, but didn't necessarily do harm above and beyond his contemporaries to the game.
And while Clemens is a Yank now, and I'm a Yank fan, I bear no loyalty to this clown. If on June 15 he got indicted, it would serve him and the Yankees right, and I wouldn't mind watching that 18 mil go down the crapper.
The only thing that keeps myself(and maybe others) from doing the wholesale kill job on him is, there is some precedent for what he's doing. Limited, but look back no further than a decade to Nolan Ryan, who through mechanics and work ethic remained a power pitcher well into his mid 40's. I don't think anyone would suggest Nolan abused. Going back further, you have Satchel Paige. But on an offensive basis, there is comparison for what Bonds is up to.
And while Clemens is a Yank now, and I'm a Yank fan, I bear no loyalty to this clown. If on June 15 he got indicted, it would serve him and the Yankees right, and I wouldn't mind watching that 18 mil go down the crapper.
The only thing that keeps myself(and maybe others) from doing the wholesale kill job on him is, there is some precedent for what he's doing. Limited, but look back no further than a decade to Nolan Ryan, who through mechanics and work ethic remained a power pitcher well into his mid 40's. I don't think anyone would suggest Nolan abused. Going back further, you have Satchel Paige. But on an offensive basis, there is comparison for what Bonds is up to.
jafo
Out of Mind
Nice attempt to mislead people by offering 2 pictures taken using different depth perceptions. Of course his head will look smaller in the first picture. He's sitting further away from the camera and the 2nd pic is zoomed in much closer on his face and shoulders.
