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Roger ramps up denial (1 Viewer)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
When I was younger and got caught in a lie..I would do the same thing Clemons is doing. Be aggresive and take the offensive..act like you are hurt and can`t believe it. Then take it to your grave!!
Roger will do just that he will NEVER admit anything Since he filed a lawsuit he can take the 5th.
Roger has already said he does not give a dam about the HOF.
Roger will do just that he will NEVER admit anything Since he filed a lawsuit he can take the 5th.
Roger has already said he does not give a dam about the HOF.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Neither did Rose.
trader jake
Footballguy
Are both of these "he's not guilty in a court of law" type of way or in a "If I had to guess one way or the other" type? The difference is huge IMO. Either way I think he's full of #### and [icon]'s post above sums it up rather well.
Koya
Footballguy
On this and a number of other issues, on the surface I agree. I had been wondering why would McNamee say what he said on the phone call... why was he asking, over and over, "what do you want me to do" Then it hit me. The guy is in love with Clemens. Ok, maybe not the exact right word, but think about it... when people are SO enfatuated with someone they DO seem to lose all logic, reason, sanity. It is like the forlorn ex bf who keeps calling and calling. Is calling and calling and stalking the chick REALLY the way to win her back? Of course not.But the enfatuated guy does it none the less. Clemens was beyond McNamees idol and everyone seems to be saying that. Now, he feels like he sold out his own god, the guy he most wanted to be like, to be. With this in mind, I can understand McNamee not really making sense with his comments.Rocket on the other hand is utterly cold, calculated and lawyer led... deceive if needed, do whatever you need. Just a take.shadyridr said:
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Big mistake if he doesn't 200% cooperate with Congress - he pulls the 5th out and he is officially Maguire'd and will be guilty in the court of public opinion. Pulling a Rafael and pray he isn't exposed is the one shot he has...after listening to that tape the 99% just went up to 100% that Roger is lying - he was intimidating his b^%$^ who just wants to make Roger happy but didn't want to go to jail. Roger was careful in what he said and most will interpret it as an intimidation ploy that backfired - awful PR job - unless you had a full confession on the tape why release it?
Last chance Roger -
dparker713
Footballguy
I realize not everyone is a lawyer, but havent you ever been involved in the legal system in some way? There is a reason you're supposed to listen to your lawyer, because he's not supposed to be emotionally invested in the subject and act cautiously. While that tape was hardly conclusive one way or another, only a fool would find McNamee more credible after listening to that tape. And anyone should be wary of heading into a hearing with no limits. Congress is filled with liars and crooks looking to make headlines, yet you'd go in there trusting that they wont trump up charges or try to delve into entirely irrelevant issues? Who's being naive Kay?
Koya
Footballguy
Suddenly Clemens' attorney is reconsidering talking to congress after stating that they would answer any and all questions?
News for you Roger - you ARE playing the PR game because there is nothing criminal enough in you doing roids to warrant fear of significant legal problems. So, for those saying that we are convicting him without the evidence it should be remembered that Roger is doing this to himself.
If he really wants us to believe he is innocent then he needs to go considerably above and beyond the legal requirements of not guilty. So far, he is failing miserably and hopefully the HoF votes - or lack thereof - will demonstrate that.
Roger wants to play the PR game? Great. Go in front of congress, plead the fifth, continue to lie and risk the hall along with what is already now a terribly tainted legacy.
News for you Roger - you ARE playing the PR game because there is nothing criminal enough in you doing roids to warrant fear of significant legal problems. So, for those saying that we are convicting him without the evidence it should be remembered that Roger is doing this to himself.
If he really wants us to believe he is innocent then he needs to go considerably above and beyond the legal requirements of not guilty. So far, he is failing miserably and hopefully the HoF votes - or lack thereof - will demonstrate that.
Roger wants to play the PR game? Great. Go in front of congress, plead the fifth, continue to lie and risk the hall along with what is already now a terribly tainted legacy.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
IF he doesn't testify its game over. We can finally put this charade to bed. Night night, Roger.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
You sound paranoid. If you are truly innocent, than you should go in with none of these fears. I agree its Roger's prerogative if he chooses to take the 5th here but he is going to lose the battle of public opinion. And public opinion may talk when it comes down to sports writers votes for the HOF.
Sure, there will be always be one or two conspiracy nuts like yourself that will hold onto that last hope that their hero wasn't tainted, but they are going to be outnumbered in a big way.
dparker713
Footballguy
First, Im hardly sold on him being either innocent or guilty at this point. The evidence thus far is hardly solid and McNamee seems less than credible to me, though so does Roger. My comments relate to the fact that this is a legal proceeding and as such Roger's counsel is doing the right thing by being cautious. Thats what lawyers do. They help people navigate through the worst times of their lives and attempt to prevent their clients from screwing themselves.Jefferson the Caregiver said:
And Im sorry, but being cautious when dealing with any legal proceeding is not paranoid. Its a necessity. Death penalty cases are by far the most scrutinized and appealed cases in our judicial system, yet innocent men still end up dead. Considering the significantly lower bar for perjury and the more or less non-existent bar in the court of public opinion for baseball players accused of steroid use, it would be malpractice if Hardin didnt investigate every angle and possible outcome before this hearing.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
uh I am a lawyer and if I represented Clemens and he is truly innocent I would advise him to answer any and all questionw truthfully as I do all of my clients - the ones that are not being truthful are the ones I have to carefully advise about what to say and when.....the point is if he has nothing to hide you show up and cooperate 100% - if he has something to hide then he evades as he is setting it up now....
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
The noose is tightening
One little lie that he has already been caught in. Seems pretty obvious to me he knew he was going to be named in the Mitchell Report.
One little lie that he has already been caught in. Seems pretty obvious to me he knew he was going to be named in the Mitchell Report.
dparker713
Footballguy
I just never trust my clients to either be innocent or tell me the complete truth.
Koya
Footballguy
Hasn't he already gone from never had anything injected to B-12 injected?If his lawyers are dumb enough to let him hang himself, so be it.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I hear you - but this is a unique case - if he has nothing to hide then he has to go all out....they won't let him cause he's guilty!
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They are, he is.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
In this case, if you are innocent, you never stop proclaiming you are innocent until people are sick of hearing you. You go on every talk show, you go before Congress and you do everything you have to do to let people know you didn't do it.Its balls to the wall.Even if you get railroaded here, the worst thing that can happen is you go away to a white collar prison on a perjury charge for six months. Your reputation is worth more than that, your legacy is worth more than that. If you spent 20 years playing baseball working your butt off and you are innocent, you take the chance that you could get screwed, and believe me getting screwed is the last thing on your mind. You answer questions confidently and not defensively. You go on the offensive.But when you are guilty, you have to be a lot more cautious.
dparker713
Footballguy
Perjury can net you significantly more than 6 months in jail, and none of the things you mentioned would impel me to open myself to being railroaded into jail time. I'd much rather have my freedom than my reputation or the hall of fame, especially if I was standing in Roger's shoes regarding finances and family.
skillz
Footballguy
Why do you say Clemens may get "railroaded into jail time" if he testifies before Congress? If he is innocent and just tells Congress the truth about what he knows then he shouldn't be concerned about being prosecuted for steroids possession, or perjury. Obviously he should be concerned about being prosecuted for perjury if he is not completely truthful to Congress when he testifies. I still think he is getting bad advice here. There are two parts involved here: a PR aspect and a legal aspect. I hear what you are saying about the legal side of things and your point that Roger needs to be careful about the position he puts himself in. However, Roger was clearly advised to speak out for PR purposes. Basically to clear his name and let people know that his accomplishments were not tarnished by steroids. Despite what he says, he still cares what people think about his career accomplishments so he felt compellled to speak out. If he didn't care about his reputation he could have kept his mouth shut like McGwire has and let the public say whatever they want about his alleged steroid usage. He chose to speak up and deny steroid usage in his 60 minutes interview strictly for PR purposes. There was certainly no reason for him to give the interview from a legal perspective since he was doing himself no favors by locking himself into a story about his alleged steroid usage. In his press conference the next he day, he then said he was willing to answer any questions about what he knew about steroid use in baseball. Now, he suddenly backtracks and is contemplating taking the 5th. Certainly there are legal risks involved in testifying before Congress, I get that. If he doesn't want to testify, then he has the right to plead the 5th to protect himself from future criminal prosecution. But if he doesn't testify after adamently protesting his innocence and promising to testify before Congress, then he is 100% guilty in the court of public opinion -- which as I can see is the entire reason why he spoke out in the first place! So, the whole PR strategy he was given has failed miserably if he doesn't testify now and follow through on his denials under oath. Right now he looks like he is hiding something if he decides to take the 5th and not testify under oath, even if from a legal perspective that is the best thing for him to do. His claim that the testimony could cause damage to his lawsuit is a bogus excuse for not testifying. If he tells the truth and denies steroid use to Congress then his testimony is still consistent with the theory of his defamation suit that he never used steroids and McNamee is lying about his steroid usage and has harmed his reputation. So, there would be no harm to his defamation suit as I see it by testifying.
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