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Ronnie Brown injures thumb - Has cast on his hand! (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Sprained right thumb - not broken, but it is his right carry hand.
Ricky will see most of the workload early on but Ronnie will eventually turn this into a RBBC.
Ricky will see most of the workload early on but Ronnie will eventually turn this into a RBBC.
Exactly. My guess is its more than a "sprain".
Any chance you could expand on this? What benefit does playing Ricky Williams more than Ronnie Brown have for the rebuilding Miami Dolphins?
packersfan
Footballguy
If Williams is the better RB he should play. The last time they played together (granted that was a couple of years and Lord knows how many pounds of dope ago) Ricky was by far the superior RB in my opinion. Based on the reports coming out of Dolphins' camp, Ricky's looked damn good and he looked real good tonight. Meanwhile, Brown's hurt again.
LionsFan78
Footballguy
Yep, should've seen a thumb sprain coming.
packersfan
Footballguy
Brown has been hurt every year of his NFL career so far. It's not a big reach to predict he'll miss time with an injury again this season.Yep, should've seen a thumb sprain coming.
Tyrion
Footballguy
Hey when I saw how good a shape Ricky was in 3 months ago I said and I quote "Ricky is going to sprain Brown's thumb." You can look it up.Yep, should've seen a thumb sprain coming.
I can concede that but prior to Brown's injury last season he was playing better than Ricky has in years. For a re-building team I just don't see the benefit of playing Ricky Williams more when his commitment has been tested ever since he's been back in the league. The Dolphins obviously want to win more this year but with the moves that Parcells has made he's resigned to the fact that this team isn't going to be much better than last year and Brown still has a ceiling to reach whereas Ricky has reached and started the decline. Injuries aside, I've never understood the reason to play a veteran over a younger player unless the talent disparity is so great that it would be detrimental to the team. I could buy a RBBC since Brown seems to be so fragile, but Brown as the #2 behind Ricky Williams? What exactly are the Dolphins doing then?
packersfan
Footballguy
I guess my feeling is that regardless of your team's situation you should play the best player. If Ricky's the best RB then he should play. If there is no disparity between the two then it should be a RBBC. Frankly, I think Brown's durability issues will lead to both RBs playing anyway. I don't think Brown can stay healthy for an entire season.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Period.And there's no such thing as "rebuilding" anymore. Most people probably thought the '99 Rams were in rebuilding mode.
gregjcross
Footballguy
From the Palm Beach Post ......:"When he came out after halftime, he had a soft cast on his hand. The severity of the injury was not immediately known, but after the game he showed a reporter that he had movement of the thumb."So, I dont think they found the thumb on the field.gbill2004 said:
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geoff8695
Footballguy
That's just it - you can't put injuries aside. And it's not necessarily indicative of which RB is the most talented, or of which one will play a larger role in the Dolphins future success, but it is certainly in Miami's best interests to bring Brown along slowly and to let the veteran absorb the punishment of an NFL starting RB.Ronnie Brown is coming off a MAJOR knee injury and is less than a year removed from surgery, and that's before there was anything wrong with his thumb. No wonder then that a rejuvenated Ricky Williams is destined to get a decent share of the workload in 2008. Williams may be on his last leg, he may succumb to old age (31 is old for an NFL RB), or his skills may have eroded to the point that he loses playing time to the rookie Parmele, or he may get injured himself. But to expect Brown to step right in as if his knee wasn't blown up less than one year ago is silly IMO.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
people have such a short memory. didn't ricky williams go down for the season on his FIRST CARRY last year with a torn pec?
if brown and ricky are both out for a bit, miami is in for a world of hurt.
if brown and ricky are both out for a bit, miami is in for a world of hurt.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
I'm with you on Brown being underrated. He was just playing at a higher level last year than Ricky had since 2002. However, this idea that somehow a young RB need to be developed anything like a QB seems kind of absurd. If the Dolphins don't contend in 2010, it's not going to be because Brown didn't get enough carries in '08.
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geoff8695
Footballguy
Miami was terrible with or without a healthy Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams last year and are likely to be pretty bad with or without them again this year. IMO they were already "in for a world of hurt" for 2008 before any injury concerns...
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I think almost every team would be in for a world of hurt without their top 2 RBs.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
You should have seen an injury coming?
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
I think in terms of importance it's the most overrated position in all of sports by a mile.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Bring out the Hippie Lettuce because Ricky's back. I really wish Ronnie wouldn't of gotten hurt already however as I was targetting to steal Rasta in every league.
Ronnie's ADP is a little high for me right now. But I'd have no problem taking him too if it gets a little lower.
Ronnie's ADP is a little high for me right now. But I'd have no problem taking him too if it gets a little lower.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
They could take a few lessons from Ironman Shaun Alexander.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
i think he means RW getting more of the load. But with Browns injury history, you actually might have been able to see it coming (an injury, not the specific one). If you refute this, then you probably drafted Mike Hampton in your baseball league.Yep, should've seen a thumb sprain coming.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I think people underestimate the importance of Ricky Getting over his social anxiety disorder (which he self medicated with weed for years). Ricky's like one of those guy in AA who's riding the high on life thing. e seems pretty impressionable. I bet he's just committed to the Parcells way. Let's hope it rides it through (drafted him 9.08 tonight in redraft)
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
really? he's been going LATE in all the mocks I've done. Tonight in a 12 team 15 year league he went 4.9 (pre injury or about the same time)
He's had more healthy seasons in his career than all 3 probably ever will, combined.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I've seen going anywhere from late 2nd to late 3rd as of about a week ago. Late 4th-early 5th, I'd start taking a look. I think both are low 20's/high 30 RB's this year. (Obviously if one gets hurt, you're looking at solid RB2 value).I think it's a straight committee & wouldn't be shocked if Ricky's the lead dog still midway through the year. Injury will obviously change things now, but Ricky was looking tasty as a RB4-5 pick.
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
It's not a reach because he's an NFL RB. BTW, when's Fred Taylor scheduled to miss time?Brown has been hurt every year of his NFL career so far. It's not a big reach to predict he'll miss time with an injury again this season.Yep, should've seen a thumb sprain coming.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
If I were Parcells, I'd sit RB till AT LEAST mid season and give his injury the appropriate time to heal. MIA has no hope/chance of any post season this year, but that trend will continue for a lot longer if RB comes back too early and does more damage. I'd be fine (as the coach/GM in this scenario) letting Ricky have the job to mitigate any future damage to the REAL franchise rb.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Best post in this thread. The argument everyone wants to use against Ricky is 'they're playing for the future'. If they are, you sit Ronnie until he's 100%. If not, we'll probably be looking at Jalen as the 'RB of the future'
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BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Doesn't anyone think that Miami might have a doctor or two on staff? If there were a chance of him reinjuring the knee because of returning too early, they would not be letting him play. The knee has healed.
Best post in this thread. The argument everyone wants to use against Ricky is 'they're playing for the future'. If they are, you sit Ronnie until he's 100%. If not, we'll probably be looking at Jalen as the 'RB of the future'
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Footballguy
It was kind of a freak injury - he got stepped on by a Dlineman.
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munchkin
Footballguy
Should've seen that D Lineman coming.....There are so many clairvoyant people playing fantasy football it's a wonder there's a powerball jackpot that goes unclaimed on any given week.I say the O-Line in Miami might still need a bit more work or there will be a lot of players going down in the land of Oranges.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Trying to run in muddy soup.
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Footballguy
The Ricky hate displayed by a lot of poeple here on the board is off the charts. Yep - biggest flake in the league but he can flat out run the football with the best of them. Did you draft Ronnie Brown?No way will Parcells waste away Brown during this totally meaningless year with him coming off knee surgery to boot. Ricky will be showcased for a possible trade at some point during the season or they will just run him to the ground this year and hold off on Ronnie till hes 100% ready - like '09.I watched this Dolphin team get pushed all over the field last year in a pre season game by the physical lines of the Jags. NOT so yesterday - they've alreday improved on both sides of the ball. Jake Long & Smiley looked really good yesterday. They were doing the pushing around. The OLine is young and Miami has finally started to build it up. They will surprise a lot of people this year IMO.
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jerseys finest
Footballguy
gotta look at it from the other side of that coin as well though. when healthy, ronnie brown is the superior RB, thats unquestioned. Problem is, as its been said, Ronnie has been injured every year of his career. If this is a team that is "rebuilding", why would you chance your most talented player when he isn't fully recovered from a very major knee surgery that "usually" takes around 2 years to be fully healed. Why not let Ricky take the lumps this year and let ronnie heal up. The dolphins know they dont have a chance this year, why risk reinjuring a young, talented playmaker at the RB position that im sure they would rather have healthy when they may have a chance to compete.
FavreCo
Footballguy
No hate from those of us smart enough to pick up Ricky late last year.Run, Ricky run!!!!!!!
So Miami's improved on both sides of the ball but it's a meaningless year and it would be a waste to use Ronnie Brown? Sorry, but no season is meaningless. Miami will do what gives them the best chance to win. And this year it's most likely a RBBC given the fact that Ricky is 31 and Ronnie has the injury bug.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
munchkin
Footballguy
Someone in my dynasty league has been holding on to him for the last three years. Hey, I wish the dude the best of luck. The team has a long way to come back from years of bad drafting and marginal coaching.I love Parcells for what he did for the NE franchise. Miami will be better but it will take time.No hate from those of us smart enough to pick up Ricky late last year.Run, Ricky run!!!!!!!
bcr8f
Footballguy
That sounds like me.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Unless Ricky is able to play like many years ago, Brown is better if healthy.
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And it's not like Brown is coming off of a major injury or anything ... Unless of course you consider a torn ACL a major injury.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Parcells is supposed to play whoever gives him the best chance to win. Sitting a player because he is not 100% is crazy. No players are 100% all the time. Age does not matter. Last year does not mean a thing.
The Brown owners need a reality check. Right now, Williams is better.
Too many answers in this thread are based on fantasy implications and not the game itself. Why on earth would Parcells let Brown sit for half the year? Why would he start Brown and play him 80% of the time if Williams is playing better?
The decision of which RB to play now has zero bearing on the future. Both have shown what they can do when healthy, so there is no need to play the younger RB just because he is younger.
The Brown owners need a reality check. Right now, Williams is better.
Too many answers in this thread are based on fantasy implications and not the game itself. Why on earth would Parcells let Brown sit for half the year? Why would he start Brown and play him 80% of the time if Williams is playing better?
The decision of which RB to play now has zero bearing on the future. Both have shown what they can do when healthy, so there is no need to play the younger RB just because he is younger.
sholditch
Footballguy
ridiculous and completely pathetic.OP, don't try to hide your unmitigated joy so hard next time...You should have seen an injury coming?
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