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eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Ingram sharing the rock with Thomas, bush and ivory. Don't like it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm still leaning Green. Will try to trade the pick though.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Premature. Tomorrow could change things.
Tomorrow could change who you'd prefer at 1.01? How so? The only thing I could see impacting the thought process regarding the 1.01 is if someone doesn't like Green in Cincy, unless they get Dalton or Mallett.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
I'm not saying it will change things. In a PPR, I'd say that Green/Jones are probably pretty safe at the top. In a non-PPR or a league where WRs are less valuable, Ingram in New Orleans is by no means an ideal situation. I could see a Leshoure or a Williams (in the right spot) leapfrogging Ingram as the #1RB, which would then put them in the discussion for 1.01.
Until we know more, I'd have a hard time voting...that's all I'm saying.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Bush is probably gone, its also still possible Thomas gets traded. Ivory cannot stay healthy, he had tons of trouble in college and last year he couldn't even make it through a full game without injuring himself. On top of that Saints gave up their 2nd and next year's first to get Ingram, you dont do that for a guy you plan to give 1/3 of the carries and some GL work. Ingram will be the #1 back on this team, and he's gonna get GL work. Mark it down, pun intended
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
has to be Ingram. If not this year than next, he will be the bellcow on one of the best offenses in football. Will be a top ten fantasy RB by 2012 at the latest. Don't see how he doesn't easily score 15+ tds
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ThePittbully
Footballguy
The goal line work alone will make him a top RB
Kleck
Footballguy
Thomas signed a 4 year $12M deal so he may be around for a few years yet. I've always felt Thomas was a overrated fantasy back and an easily replaceable NFL back though. Whether Bush stays or goes I still like Ingram's chances to be the main back and get 300 touches and a lot of goalline action.
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eaglesfan7
Footballguy
What pick did the saints use on bush? He's no factor in fantasy.
loose circuits
Footballguy
I can see Bush out of there. PT on 3rd downs, rest is Ingram. they gave up a 1st and 3rd for him so they wanted him badly...
I went with Julio, but honestly I'll take any of the 3
I went with Julio, but honestly I'll take any of the 3
loose circuits
Footballguy
can you name some teams where that might happen? I'm just curious as to your line of thinking.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
Who picked other and why?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
You could almost flip a 3 sided coin. Green and Jones are the two best WR prospects to come out of a draft since ive been paying attention and Ingram couldnt have gone to a better spot. Green is right up there with Moss and Calvin as far as talent, but he went to a terrible organization with QB problems that plays in the cold and in a tough division. Jones is not quite the sure thing Green is, but has as much upside, and went to a better situation. Over the past year Ingram went from overrated to underrated to a guy i really want now that he went to the Saints.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Mikel LeShoure to Miami would get him in the discussion.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm fairly certain that it wasn't the Saints intention to use him as a glorified slot WR, when they drafted him at No. 2. Most people thought he'd be the next big thing at RB.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
While I wouldn't agree, LeShoure or Williams in NE, Miami or GB may cause people to rethink the possibilities.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Have you been paying attention long?I love both Green and Jones, but Dez Bryant and Crabtree were higher rated or at least close and Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson were ahead of both. Many others were close as well.
Bob Henry
Footballguy
Right now, I'm going Julio all the way. No disrespect towards Green - a great player with more upside perhaps, but...
- The Falcons gave up a TON to get Jones
- Ryan is a much better long-term QB solution
(compared to Green, but we'll see.. this may not necessarily be the case depending on what happens in Cincy w/ Palmer, etc)
- Jones should be a PPR machine, a strong red-zone option
- Gonzo's career is nearly over, Jones setup to be #2 option at worst and potentially #1 even with Roddy as a bookend
- Jones has an exceptional work ethic, which for me means, he has a high floor, very low risk for being a bust
- The Falcons gave up a TON to get Jones
- Ryan is a much better long-term QB solution
(compared to Green, but we'll see.. this may not necessarily be the case depending on what happens in Cincy w/ Palmer, etc)
- Jones should be a PPR machine, a strong red-zone option
- Gonzo's career is nearly over, Jones setup to be #2 option at worst and potentially #1 even with Roddy as a bookend
- Jones has an exceptional work ethic, which for me means, he has a high floor, very low risk for being a bust
loose circuits
Footballguy
New England or GB and they would be in a logjam for PT with the other backs on the roster. Lets not pretend like 2nd round picks are anointed starting jobs. Miami doesn't have near the offensive upside that New Orleans has and would have to give up picks they need to move into the 2nd to get one of these guys since they don't have a pick there
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Ingram 1.01 - Will take over, and PT and Bush will not seriously cut into his workload. In redraft, a solid 2nd rounder.
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Jones 1.02 - A nice WR#2, could have a nice rookie season. Not getting carried away.
Green 1.03 - A really good WR, but the uncertainty at QB for Cincy has me cool on him (for now).
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Jones 1.02 - A nice WR#2, could have a nice rookie season. Not getting carried away.
Green 1.03 - A really good WR, but the uncertainty at QB for Cincy has me cool on him (for now).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
People could say there's a log jam in NO as well.I was just playing devil's advocate, for one thing (see bold). I do think if NE takes Williams or LeShoure at 33 despsite all the offers it will receive that will speak volumes as to what they think of that player. The logjam is basically a hard runner and a third down back (not much different than what NO has in place).
What you said about Miami is true, but if some one already liked LeShoure or Williams or another back more than Ingram if that back landed in Miami with no other competition they could think he was the better pick.
Bottom line is that I do think Ingrams was and still is the No. 1 RB, but there is still room for debate.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
I just see what New Orleans invested with giving up a 1st & 2nd round pick for Ingram and see it as a little different situation as what these teams would be investing by only giving up a 2nd round pick. I also see Starks as well as BGE/Woody as more talented than PT or IvoryNot sure you are reading what I'm saying. Miami does not have a 2nd round pick. They likely won't get either of those 2 backs.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I read what you said, and that's why I said "or another back", plus they have the ability to trade up.Pierre Thomas is a better all around back than BJGE imo, but I wouldn't say anyone was crazy to think otherwise. I also hink Ivory is basically the same back as BJGE. Woodhead seems destined for the Faulk role in that offense, but who knows maybe he takes a bigger slice.Starks (and also Grant), I agree, but the rumor was they were hot on Ingram and like Leshoure, so the team may feel otherwise.Once again, I always thought, and still do, think that Ingram is the best RB in this class, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that some one that liked LeShoure or Williams better pre-draft, would still feel that way if one of them goes to NE at pick 33 (or a few spots down) tonight.NE and NO are both prime spots with great offenses.
