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Rookie of the Year "offense" (1 Viewer)

Touchdown Syndrome said:
Why is Arian Foster or Hakeem Nicks not in this discussion? Are they not rookies?
Great point.And what about LaDainian Tomlinson...he's having a nice year too!
Look at how smart i am, i know that Foster and Nicks are not rookies, and im not afraid to belittle someone to prove it.
No, no, you're confused...that's what I was doing.I'm the one showing off how super-duper smart I am. :2cents:

Except I wasn't "belittling", I was merely poking a little fun.

FTR, as has been said a ton of times, I also believe OROY is Bradford's to lose right now....but I wouldn't be surprised if Bryant closes the gap and wins it by season's end.

 
Mike Williams on pace for 1000 yds and 10 TDs but I still don't think he can unseat Bradford. If he were in a big market like Dallas or Washington then maybe but not in Tampa. If a top of the draft QB starts an entire season he basically wins it no matter how well he does.

 
Mike Williams on pace for 1000 yds and 10 TDs but I still don't think he can unseat Bradford. If he were in a big market like Dallas or Washington then maybe but not in Tampa. If a top of the draft QB starts an entire season he basically wins it no matter how well he does.
Which is sad and bull#@it. Stafford lost the game for them yesterday with his many interceptions, is playing on a team with a losing record while Williams is giving the Bucs a #1 wr that they havent had since Mark Carrier :goodposting:Mike Williams should win this hands down.
 
Mike Williams on pace for 1000 yds and 10 TDs but I still don't think he can unseat Bradford. If he were in a big market like Dallas or Washington then maybe but not in Tampa. If a top of the draft QB starts an entire season he basically wins it no matter how well he does.
Which is sad and bull#@it. Stafford lost the game for them yesterday with his many interceptions, is playing on a team with a losing record while Williams is giving the Bucs a #1 wr that they havent had since Mark Carrier :goodposting:Mike Williams should win this hands down.
I think you mean Bradford. Lets face it, Raheem isn't going to get coach of the year and Mike Williams isn't going to get ROY. If they were in a bigger market they would be hands down winners. Both have FAR exceeded everyones expectations.
 
Mike Williams on pace for 1000 yds and 10 TDs but I still don't think he can unseat Bradford. If he were in a big market like Dallas or Washington then maybe but not in Tampa. If a top of the draft QB starts an entire season he basically wins it no matter how well he does.
Which is sad and bull#@it. Stafford lost the game for them yesterday with his many interceptions, is playing on a team with a losing record while Williams is giving the Bucs a #1 wr that they havent had since Mark Carrier :)Mike Williams should win this hands down.
I think you mean Bradford. Lets face it, Raheem isn't going to get coach of the year and Mike Williams isn't going to get ROY. If they were in a bigger market they would be hands down winners. Both have FAR exceeded everyones expectations.
Bradford Stafford Tomato Potato same thing...
 
Once again Mike Williams plays awesome and Bradford plays bad. Too bad starting every game is an accomplishment.

 
Once again Mike Williams plays awesome and Bradford plays bad. Too bad starting every game is an accomplishment.
Bradford threw more completions and attempts and maybe yards(not sure of last) than any rookie QB ever. His team just missed the playoffs and basically only added him and to add insult to injury they gave him "nobody" to throw to.You have gotta have some real blind homer goggles on to think Williams is ROY over Bradford. Even Clayton did better than Williams as a rookie, The kid did well, but he wasn't the first to do anything he did-not even the first Buc.
 
Once again Mike Williams plays awesome and Bradford plays bad. Too bad starting every game is an accomplishment.
Bradford threw more completions and attempts and maybe yards(not sure of last) than any rookie QB ever. His team just missed the playoffs and basically only added him and to add insult to injury they gave him "nobody" to throw to.You have gotta have some real blind homer goggles on to think Williams is ROY over Bradford. Even Clayton did better than Williams as a rookie, The kid did well, but he wasn't the first to do anything he did-not even the first Buc.
1998 Peyton Manning 37391986 Jim Kelly 3593

2010 Sam Bradford 3512

Also, Bradford was tied for 8th among rookie QB's with 18 touchdowns and tied for 37th with 15 interceptions.

 
Once again Mike Williams plays awesome and Bradford plays bad. Too bad starting every game is an accomplishment.
Bradford threw more completions and attempts and maybe yards(not sure of last) than any rookie QB ever. His team just missed the playoffs and basically only added him and to add insult to injury they gave him "nobody" to throw to.You have gotta have some real blind homer goggles on to think Williams is ROY over Bradford. Even Clayton did better than Williams as a rookie, The kid did well, but he wasn't the first to do anything he did-not even the first Buc.
The INT he threw was bad, but had the Rams WR made just a few of the plays they blew last night Rams probably could have won
 
I'm a homer, so I'm going to say Gronk.
Oh Come'onnnnn....He's had a great season so far, but dude is catching passes from Tom Brady. Bradford is working with a bunch of scrubs... Quick, name a Rams WR?
Donnie Avery, Mark Clayton, Laurent Robinson, Danny Amendola, Brandon Gibson, Danario Alexander, Mardy Gilyard.
Does any team have a worse group of Wideouts this year? Im struggling to come up with one...
 
Once again Mike Williams plays awesome and Bradford plays bad. Too bad starting every game is an accomplishment.
Bradford threw more completions and attempts and maybe yards(not sure of last) than any rookie QB ever. His team just missed the playoffs and basically only added him and to add insult to injury they gave him "nobody" to throw to.You have gotta have some real blind homer goggles on to think Williams is ROY over Bradford. Even Clayton did better than Williams as a rookie, The kid did well, but he wasn't the first to do anything he did-not even the first Buc.
1998 Peyton Manning 37391986 Jim Kelly 3593

2010 Sam Bradford 3512

Also, Bradford was tied for 8th among rookie QB's with 18 touchdowns and tied for 37th with 15 interceptions.
thanks for the legwork.The Seahawks Dline was phenomenal and/or the Rams OL stunk for the first three quarters. In the fourth when they were calling plays for him to launch the ball suddenly the Rams line was giving him time. Yes it got him smacked too, but ....I was reading some of the writeups of the game this morning and remembering that stat they showed last night which showed like a zillion passes under 10 yards and next to nothing beyond that. In hindsight it was probably to not getting him demolished and injured, but he's got a whole offseason to recover. I don't know if he could have caught Peyton, but it sure would have been more fun to see him try. Anything of a downfield passing gameplan and he'd have passed Kelly. I didn't know he had those to beat. Too bad.

 
This really isn't a contest. Bradford led the worst team in the league last year to 7 wins and almost to the playoffs. He will win hands down.

 
1998 Peyton Manning 3739

1986 Jim Kelly 3593

2010 Sam Bradford 3512

Also, Bradford was tied for 8th among rookie QB's with 18 touchdowns and tied for 37th with 15 interceptions.
Just to add some clarification - Bradford finished with the 2nd highest yardage total for rookies. Kelly was in his third year as a pro - he was rookie of the year in 1984 for the Houston Gamblers (USFL). Guys ahead of Bradford in the TD stat include Kelly, a 36 year old who had played in Canada, and a 27 year old who had fought in the Pacific theater for three years (WWII) - so he is actually 6th best all-time for rookies in that category, 5th in the modern platoon football era.

On a side note, I get the impression last night was the first time a lot of people saw Bradford play this year. The game plan was NOT an aberration. Dink and dump, bubble screens, quick hitters, and throwing short of the sticks has been their passing game all year long. There is a reason why his YPA is 83rd among qualifying rookie QBs; they rarely go vertical before desperation hour. They don't do deep intermediate. Not saying he doesn't have the arm, and it might change with new personnel.

But its worth noting the Sooners ran the same style passing attack to throw short and depend on YAC for the first down.

Bradford is the clear pick for Offensive RoY this year IMO. Came up a bit short last night, but overall its a tremendous accomplishment to lead a team that was 1-15 to almost winning the division.

I'm unconvinced he is a great QB. Rookie compilation stats aside, there are a handful of young QBs I like over him. But none of that is relevant to this discussion.

 
The Rams will loosen the reigns on Bradford next seaoson. You can see from watching the games that he has been instructed to check down immediately if his deeper option isn't wide open. I think this was smart given the lack of talent at WR he had at his disposal. However you could really see what a great QB he will become. He throws a really good deep ball, stays calm in the pocket, and puts nice touch on the swing/quick route type passes.

 
What Bradford did with the talent he had at WR is amazing. Alexander & Amendola are their best WRs by far, & one is a rookie on a snap count & the other is a young slot receiver. Alexander, especially, has potential, but Bradford has been hampered by poor overall WR play since Clayton went down.

Clayton isn't a great WR, but if he hadn't gotten hurt, there's no doubt Bradford would've led the Rams to the playoffs & had even better stats. When you consider the improvement Bradford will make in his 2nd season, as well as the Rams adding talent at WR, you understand the excitement Bradford brings as a FF QB.

I'd like to see them start Alexander at one wideout & Clayton or Avery at the other with Amendola in the slot, as well as draft a top WR & let him compete with Clayton/Avery. It looks like Bradford could go from WR-starved to WR-rich if things fall right. Bradford can be the best QB in the NFL within a few short years with some help at WR.

 
What Bradford did with the talent he had at WR is amazing. Alexander & Amendola are their best WRs by far, & one is a rookie on a snap count & the other is a young slot receiver. Alexander, especially, has potential, but Bradford has been hampered by poor overall WR play since Clayton went down. Clayton isn't a great WR, but if he hadn't gotten hurt, there's no doubt Bradford would've led the Rams to the playoffs & had even better stats. When you consider the improvement Bradford will make in his 2nd season, as well as the Rams adding talent at WR, you understand the excitement Bradford brings as a FF QB.I'd like to see them start Alexander at one wideout & Clayton or Avery at the other with Amendola in the slot, as well as draft a top WR & let him compete with Clayton/Avery. It looks like Bradford could go from WR-starved to WR-rich if things fall right. Bradford can be the best QB in the NFL within a few short years with some help at WR.
Bradford took a losing team and made them a mediocre losing team. He had crap wideouts but had one of the best RB's in the league that not only took pressure of him but also caught close to 50 balls. Is he a good player yes, does he deserve the ROY? I dont think so.M Williams had 11 td's close to 1000 yards and close to 70 catches, he helped take a team that was as bad as the rams and finish 10-6. How did last years ROY (percy harvin) do? not even close to how M Williams did.M Williams 4 round, Bradford 1st round, for the money Bradford is making and his expectations he SHOULD have done what he did, M Williams was repeatedly passed up by all the teams till the 4th round, and he became a stud from game 1 for the Bucs while everyone expected Benn to be the guy.
 
Corrected.

This really isn't a contest because it is a popularity poll rather than anything that could be considered "contested". Bradford St. Louis' #12 ranked defense led the worst team in the league last year to 7 wins in the worst division in football and almost to the playoffs with a losing record. He will win hands down even though he shouldn't.
Call me crazy but I am not going to bow down to a QB that leads the #26 ranked offense in the league...especially one that has an elite RB. I still think that he will be a pro bowl QB at some point...but just because you put up yards doesn't make you the best.
 

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