Rooney's stupidity is Luck's gain (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

XTRA 910 Arizona's Mike Jurecki reports former Steelers OC Bruce Arians is expected to accept the same position in Indianapolis.

Jurecki likely has the news because Arians was believed to be in play to be the Cardinals' QBs coach. A pass-first coach during his five years in Pittsburgh, Arians would be an intriguing mentor for presumptive No. 1 overall pick Stanford QB Andrew Luck. Ironically, rumors surfaced Saturday that former Colts coach Jim Caldwell was meeting with Steelers coach Mike Tomlin in regards to the offensive coordinator position Arians vacated in Pittsburgh.

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Source: Mike Jurecki on Twitter

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Also, LOL at Caldwell possibly going to the Steelers. Talk about a reversal of luck.

 

[Couch Potato]

Wow, Arians would be a good fit for Luck. The worry has been that Luck would get stuck in some neanderthal mentality offense, and that won't happen if Arians is on board. Good choice.

 

[monessen]

This hire just gives more credence to the theory that the Steelers wanted Arians out and that Art II's remarks about Arians considering retirement and not being able to provide a long-term commitment to coaching is just that---talk. Again, Art II can do what he wants and Arians was a convenient scapegoat not especially appreciated by many Steeler fans.

Jim Caldwell? What can the Indy folks tell us about his offensive philosophy apart from how well the Colts moved the ball with Manning as QB?

 

[pghrob]

This hire just gives more credence to the theory that the Steelers wanted Arians out and that Art II's remarks about Arians considering retirement and not being able to provide a long-term commitment to coaching is just that---talk. Again, Art II can do what he wants and Arians was a convenient scapegoat not especially appreciated by many Steeler fans.Jim Caldwell? What can the Indy folks tell us about his offensive philosophy apart from how well the Colts moved the ball with Manning as QB?

Maybe they can tell us how his offensive fell apart with Manning as QB.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

This hire just gives more credence to the theory that the Steelers wanted Arians out and that Art II's remarks about Arians considering retirement and not being able to provide a long-term commitment to coaching is just that---talk. Again, Art II can do what he wants and Arians was a convenient scapegoat not especially appreciated by many Steeler fans.Jim Caldwell? What can the Indy folks tell us about his offensive philosophy apart from how well the Colts moved the ball with Manning as QB?

Maybe they can tell us how his offensive fell apart with Manning as QB.

IIRC it was Tom Moore not Cadlwell who worked closely with Manning and made that offense what it is (Was)

 

[identikit]

From Caldwell's wiki page:

In eight years, Caldwell had a record of 26–63. He installed a powerful passing attack that set numerous school records (many of which have since been broken under his successor, Jim Grobe). However, his teams rarely ran well; in one year the Demon Deacons' leading rusher only notched 300 yards for the entire season. He only had one winning season, in 1999 when the Deacons won the Aloha Bowl.









Not exactly what the Steelers say they're looking for.







Love Arians for the Colts.

 

[pghrob]

This hire just gives more credence to the theory that the Steelers wanted Arians out and that Art II's remarks about Arians considering retirement and not being able to provide a long-term commitment to coaching is just that---talk. Again, Art II can do what he wants and Arians was a convenient scapegoat not especially appreciated by many Steeler fans.Jim Caldwell? What can the Indy folks tell us about his offensive philosophy apart from how well the Colts moved the ball with Manning as QB?

Maybe they can tell us how his offensive fell apart with Manning as QB.

IIRC it was Tom Moore not Cadlwell who worked closely with Manning and made that offense what it is (Was)

Colts offense + Manning + Moore = one of top in leagueColts offense + Manning + Caldwell = one of top in leagueColts offense - Manning + (Moore or Caldwell) = not one of top in league

 

[jurb26]

<<<<<<< Luck owner.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Hope Colts fans enjoy all the horrid situational playcalling/total predictability on offense.

Arians is a good X's and O's guy. In general, he's a lousy caller of a game. I wouldn't be scheduling any parades to celebrate his hiring.

 

[thatguy]

Also, LOL at Caldwell possibly going to the Steelers. Talk about a reversal of Luck.

Fixed. You know, for the pun effect.

 

[Steelfan7]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Man, that stupid Rooney sure doesn't know anything about running a successful franchise.

 

[Steelfan7]

Man, that stupid Rooney sure doesn't know anything about running a successful franchise.

 

[cobalt_27]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

Your offense is consistently ranked in the top 5-10 every year, go to the playoffs every year, win a couple Super Bowls, but yeah...good riddance. My wife could call a better game than Arians.I swear, Steeler fans on this board are the most neurotic bunch of 'em all. And, that's saying a lot coming from this Cowboys fan who knows a thing or two about his own neurotic fan base.Spectacular hire by the Colts.

 

[nxmehta]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

He was a terrible playcaller when he was with the Browns too.

 

[monessen]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

Your offense is consistently ranked in the top 5-10 every year, go to the playoffs every year, win a couple Super Bowls, but yeah...good riddance. My wife could call a better game than Arians.I swear, Steeler fans on this board are the most neurotic bunch of 'em all. And, that's saying a lot coming from this Cowboys fan who knows a thing or two about his own neurotic fan base.Spectacular hire by the Colts.

Been a hardcore Steeler fan since 1963, and you just nailed it. Thanks. There were Steeler fans eager to see Gailey go after the team lost to the Broncos in the '97 AFC championship. Gailey made Kordell the weapon he was in '96-97. And Kordell fell apart when Chan left. There is just no pleasing the Black & Gold faithful if you are a QB or OC unless Pgh wins the Super Bowl.Roethlisberger on one leg . . .patchwork O-line . . .yet I expect someone will soon blame Arians for Tebow throwing for 316 yards.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Man, that stupid Rooney sure doesn't know anything about running a successful franchise.

 

[Steelfan7]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

Your offense is consistently ranked in the top 5-10 every year, go to the playoffs every year, win a couple Super Bowls, but yeah...good riddance. My wife could call a better game than Arians.I swear, Steeler fans on this board are the most neurotic bunch of 'em all. And, that's saying a lot coming from this Cowboys fan who knows a thing or two about his own neurotic fan base.Spectacular hire by the Colts.

The only offensive stat that matters is points scored and Arians' led offense struggled mightily once inside the red zone. You're clueless about football if you think Steelers won two Superbowls because of Arians.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Your offense is consistently ranked in the top 5-10 every year

As far as points scored? 2011: 20th

2010: 12th

2009: 12th

2008: 20th

2007: T-9th

With the talent the Steelers have had at the skill positions in Arians tenure they proably should have been a consistent top 5-10 offense for points....but they were not. That's the problem. Yards are great, but points matter more. Waaaay too many drives where they settled for FGs in Bruce's time in Pittsburgh, not just 2011.

 

[cobalt_27]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

Your offense is consistently ranked in the top 5-10 every year, go to the playoffs every year, win a couple Super Bowls, but yeah...good riddance. My wife could call a better game than Arians.I swear, Steeler fans on this board are the most neurotic bunch of 'em all. And, that's saying a lot coming from this Cowboys fan who knows a thing or two about his own neurotic fan base.Spectacular hire by the Colts.

The only offensive stat that matters is points scored and Arians' led offense struggled mightily once inside the red zone. You're clueless about football if you think Steelers won two Superbowls because of Arians.

You're clueless about football if you think Arians was the cause of their supposed problems.

 

[Steelfan7]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

Your offense is consistently ranked in the top 5-10 every year, go to the playoffs every year, win a couple Super Bowls, but yeah...good riddance. My wife could call a better game than Arians.I swear, Steeler fans on this board are the most neurotic bunch of 'em all. And, that's saying a lot coming from this Cowboys fan who knows a thing or two about his own neurotic fan base.Spectacular hire by the Colts.

The only offensive stat that matters is points scored and Arians' led offense struggled mightily once inside the red zone. You're clueless about football if you think Steelers won two Superbowls because of Arians.

You're clueless about football if you think Arians was the cause of their supposed problems.

Steelers had a redzone efficiency of 17th, 15th and 22nd ranked for the past 3 seasons. Too much talent with these results. Blame goes to the guy calling the plays. Very predictable play calling at that.

 

[pghrob]

<<<<<<< Luck owner.

Lucky's Horseshoe coming to a town near you.

 

[treat88]

Arians took a LOT of undeserved flack during his tenure with the Steelers from the Steeler faithful.

However, it's apparent, he is getting a LOT of undeserved praise from those who don't follow the team closely.

Arians was a very mixed bag. Brilliant one minute and asinine the next. Always a bit of a square peg in round hole type play caller, never maximizing his players strengths and oftentimes maximizing their weaknesses almost to the point of arrogance.

At the end of the day, his fundamental failing was becoming Ben's buddy rather than his coach. It's widely held that their personal relationship has impaired Ben's professional development by enabling his bad habits and not holding him accountable for his inexplicable mental lapses.

Honestly, Arians is one of the very last guys I would want to entrust my star rookie's development to. He teaches and/or enables a top down progression in his QB's reads and he absolutely does not stress smart, on schedule, fundamental football from the QB position. Colts will need an excellent QB coach to pair with him, otherwise I would be at least baseline concerned for Luck's development.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Arians took a LOT of undeserved flack during his tenure with the Steelers from the Steeler faithful.

However, it's apparent, he is getting a LOT of undeserved praise from those who don't follow the team closely.

Arians was a very mixed bag. Brilliant one minute and asinine the next. Always a bit of a square peg in round hole type play caller, never maximizing his players strengths and oftentimes maximizing their weaknesses almost to the point of arrogance.

At the end of the day, his fundamental failing was becoming Ben's buddy rather than his coach. It's widely held that their personal relationship has impaired Ben's professional development by enabling his bad habits and not holding him accountable for his inexplicable mental lapses.

Honestly, Arians is one of the very last guys I would want to entrust my star rookie's development to. He teaches and/or enables a top down progression in his QB's reads and he absolutely does not stress smart, on schedule, fundamental football from the QB position. Colts will need an excellent QB coach to pair with him, otherwise I would be at least baseline concerned for Luck's development.

Perfect explanation here, treat. Particularly the bolded parts.Some folks in these parts are acting like the guy is above reproach, and if his contributions as an OC are questioned at all then "you're just looking for a scapegoat" for Pittsburgh's poor end to 2011. And that's ridiculous.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Bottom line is that the Steelers offense hasn't evolved. Ben will be 30 in March, his days of winning games by extending plays outside the pocket are numbered. I think Rooney favors a gameplan that will keep Ben upright in the pocket making timing throws.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

HAHAHA!

You guys can have him!

All day, every day and twice on Sundays.

 

[smackdaddies]

Too anybody who thinks Arians is a great hire. Arians is a terrible play caller and refused/could not make in game adjustments. Colts fans get used to seeing 10 wr bubble screens per game. It got to the point that my wife would call out the plays the Steelers ran based on the formation they were in. Adios Arians and good riddance.

Based on the Packer/Steeler SB, I would agree. The big fumble forced by Clay Mathews - pre snap it sure looked like Mathews knew the play, pushing Raji over to force Mendie to him. The last pass that Williams broke up - Williams was all over that route, playing the ball as well as the receiver. I am not saying every play - but those two sure looked like the Packers had been in the Steelers huddle when the play was called

 

[RBM]

<<<<<<< Luck owner.

Really? Nothing really happened

 

[rizzler]

You misspelled "Griffin" in the title...

 

[apalmer]

Man, that stupid Rooney sure doesn't know anything about running a successful franchise.

Yeah, the trouble with Rooney is how eager he is to change coaches so quickly.

 

[Fiddles]

nice thread title. I hear the national enquirer is hiring.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Here add this to the list....

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Colts plan to hire Steelers linebackers coach Keith Butler as their defensive coordinator.

Butler is in his ninth year on the Steelers’ coaching staff after joining the team prior to the 2003 season and has been instrumental in the development of James Farrior, James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, among others. The Steelers have consistently led the NFL in total defense, rushing defense, and sacks, under his tenure. Schefter notes that Chuck Pagano, Bruce Arians and Butler were all on Butch Davis' staff in Cleveland in 2001.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Jan 29 - 10:55 AM

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

You misspelled "Griffin" in the title...

You don't give up do you?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

HAHAHA!You guys can have him!All day, every day and twice on Sundays.

I guess we can have Butler too.

 

[Zeff]

I can see where Arains would be regarded as less than brilliant as an OC. His playcalling...particularly in the running game...was often questionable and ill-suited to the personnel.

But I can also see where he'd be a good hire for people looking to get a favorable system and lots of nice passing situations for Luck.

I think he's probably one of the best hires the Colts could have made at OC, if their goal were to make Luck FF owners happy. I don't think he's going to put the franchise back on top. But from the bottom of the league, and with a rookie QB to boot, "back on top" probably wasn't coming for another five years anyway, so may as well get a guy who helps Luck along the way.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

@EdBouchette: #Steelers LB coach Keith Butler to interview Tuesday for Colts coordinator job. Butler says it's not a done deal.

Would be a great promotion for Keith Butler. Also a good indication that **** LeBeau plans to stick around.

 

[monessen]

No doubt it's Rooney's choice if a change has to be made. However, transitions have been effective when they've had a good succession plan in place: Gailey for Erhardt, Whisenhunt for Mularkey, Arians for Whisenhunt, etc. There may, in fact, be one in motion now under the radar. If so, it's not apparent just yet or there are plenty of details to work out. However, there have been blunders like Ray Sherman for Gailey, and the infamous Joe Walton tenure 22 years ago when the Steeler offensive players couldn't grasp his system (though, in his defense, many in that bunch could not grasp the concept of gravity) and the personnel was I'll-suited to it.

I fear that, with the many holes the team must fill and the enormous pressure a new OC must confront (as evidenced by the Arians critics in this thread), viable candidates may be reluctant to take on the challenge. Anyone with the kind of credibility needed to challenge this offense under Ben may be hard to locate and secure. O'Brien of the Pats could possibly have been that guy, but I hear he took another job in PA.

So what do you do? Take a chance on an outsider while trying to beef up the run and the O-line? Hard to see that all coming together in one season. And we ain't the patient types, friends. Ding dong, your witch is dead. Arians is history. But what is your alternative?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

@EdBouchette: #Steelers LB coach Keith Butler to interview Tuesday for Colts coordinator job. Butler says it's not a done deal.Would be a great promotion for Keith Butler. Also a good indication that **** LeBeau plans to stick around.

Now Butler... Butler would be a grand coup for anybody as a DC. Hope he stays in Pitt.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

HAHAHA!You guys can have him!All day, every day and twice on Sundays.

I guess we can have Butler too.

much much much much much better hire.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

@gerrydulac: Butler said he and Bruce Arians were on same staff with Chuck Pagano under Butch Davis in Cleveland.

@EdBouchette: Butler, 55, told me he would like to run a defense. Sounds as mere formality he will join Arians in Indy as coordinators for Pagano

@gerrydulac: Keith Butler has a stated agreement he is def coordinator in waiting when **** LeBeau retires. It was not written is his contract.

 

[rizzler]

You misspelled "Griffin" in the title...

You don't give up do you?

I knew it would, for at least one second, send you into a fit of anger.Awww, lighten up. Griffin ain't going no.1, even i know that

 

[Bojang0301]

Bruce Arians is an average OC. He was frustrating more often than he was excellent. If Peyton returns it will be a miracle if he doesn't get injured again because, like Mike Martz, Arians will refuse to bring any help to come in and block.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

You misspelled "Griffin" in the title...

You don't give up do you?

I knew it would, for at least one second, send you into a fit of anger.Awww, lighten up. Griffin ain't going no.1, even i know that

No anger on my part, just curious laughter.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Hope Colts fans enjoy all the horrid situational playcalling/total predictability on offense. Arians is a good X's and O's guy. In general, he's a lousy caller of a game. I wouldn't be scheduling any parades to celebrate his hiring.

I'm actually shocked on him winning with Pittsburgh, because when he was OC of the Browns, we couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

 

[Kenny Powers]

at the thread title, wrong on both Rooney and Luck's accounts. About the dumbest thing you could possibly say to call any of the Rooney's stupid. I also dont see how Luck gains from just throwing bombs and bubble screens. I see a lot of INTs and sacks coming for Luck his first few years with Arians at the helm.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I fear that, with the many holes the team must fill and the enormous pressure a new OC must confront (as evidenced by the Arians critics in this thread), viable candidates may be reluctant to take on the challenge. Anyone with the kind of credibility needed to challenge this offense under Ben may be hard to locate and secure. O'Brien of the Pats could possibly have been that guy, but I hear he took another job in PA.

So what do you do? Take a chance on an outsider while trying to beef up the run and the O-line? Hard to see that all coming together in one season. And we ain't the patient types, friends. Ding dong, your witch is dead. Arians is history. But what is your alternative?

How does this offense have "many holes" to fill? In fact, all they need is 1-2 OLmen (assuming health from the starters and progression for Gilbert). After that, there are no holes whatsoever as far as starters are concerned.

I also dont think most offensive minds would fear becoming this team's OC or consider it a challenge. I think most would be sold on "Steelers" and "Roethlisberger"

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I fear that, with the many holes the team must fill and the enormous pressure a new OC must confront (as evidenced by the Arians critics in this thread), viable candidates may be reluctant to take on the challenge. Anyone with the kind of credibility needed to challenge this offense under Ben may be hard to locate and secure. O'Brien of the Pats could possibly have been that guy, but I hear he took another job in PA.

So what do you do? Take a chance on an outsider while trying to beef up the run and the O-line? Hard to see that all coming together in one season. And we ain't the patient types, friends. Ding dong, your witch is dead. Arians is history. But what is your alternative?

How does this offense have "many holes" to fill? In fact, all they need is 1-2 OLmen (assuming health from the starters and progression for Gilbert). After that, there are no holes whatsoever as far as starters are concerned.

I also dont think most offensive minds would fear becoming this team's OC or consider it a challenge. I think most would be sold on "Steelers" and "Roethlisberger"

they seem pretty thin at RB now. Mendenhall will most likey go on the PUP list and miss the first part of the season and Redman is serviceable, but not someone that I call a top RB. Dwyer is a plodder that has his own issues.

 

[monessen]

I fear that, with the many holes the team must fill and the enormous pressure a new OC must confront (as evidenced by the Arians critics in this thread), viable candidates may be reluctant to take on the challenge. Anyone with the kind of credibility needed to challenge this offense under Ben may be hard to locate and secure. O'Brien of the Pats could possibly have been that guy, but I hear he took another job in PA.

So what do you do? Take a chance on an outsider while trying to beef up the run and the O-line? Hard to see that all coming together in one season. And we ain't the patient types, friends. Ding dong, your witch is dead. Arians is history. But what is your alternative?

How does this offense have "many holes" to fill? In fact, all they need is 1-2 OLmen (assuming health from the starters and progression for Gilbert). After that, there are no holes whatsoever as far as starters are concerned.

I also dont think most offensive minds would fear becoming this team's OC or consider it a challenge. I think most would be sold on "Steelers" and "Roethlisberger"

they seem pretty thin at RB now. Mendenhall will most likey go on the PUP list and miss the first part of the season and Redman is serviceable, but not someone that I call a top RB. Dwyer is a plodder that has his own issues.

Well, I think my point was made with the remark "all they need is 1-2 OL-men" and assuming the health of their starters or progression from anyone is a big "if." I think Pouncey is very good, but he has seemingly missed more post-season games in his short career than Dermontti Dawson missed in his full tenure. Kemoeatu is the highest paid lineman and he was demoted to second-string in November. The guy regressed big time, and he is taking up valuable $ under the salary cap.The statements made about the RBs are on target. Redman is decent, but where is any real diversity of depth such as a pass receiver out of the backfield? Just how old or elusive is Mewelde Moore these days anyway? We love Heath Miller, but he'll turn 30 this year and his upside has already been tapped. Spaeth stunk and was rightfully shipped out but David Johnson has only 18 catches in 3 seasons and is essentially a blocker as Miller's back-up.

Wallace, Sanders, and Brown are super-dangerous. But if Rooney's goal is to keep Ben upright, it will be more of a balanced offense than a pass-first approach. Balance is great if you have a top RB. Yet, as was cited, Mendenhall may not be ready, nor is he necessarily viewed as a top-tier RB.

Somehow, I don't think the criticism of Arians would have been so great had the Steelers scored more than 2 Defense/Special teams' TDs or had more takeaways.

With regard to reluctance by candidates to take the OC position, the hornets' nest stinging the daylights out of Arians is essentially proof of how much pressure is involved. The new guy will have no honeymoon period. And make no mistake, except for the wideouts, this is a banged up bunch.

 

[HughHoney]

How Is Rooney stupid?