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[Colin Dowling]

No love for Devin Hester? Here are his stats:

Punt Returns:

35/497 yds/14.2 ave./84 yds longest/3 TDs

Leads the NFL (not rookies) in Punt Returns. Next highest average is 12.7.

Kick Returns:

6/126 yds/21.0 average/27 yds longest/0 TDs

Missed field goal returns:

1/108 yds/1 TD

Tied NFL record for longest TD.

I'm sure Hester has locked up Special Teams Rookie of the Year.

 

[Bevo]

A poll on this matter at ESPN:

ESPN Offensive Rookie of the Year

One interesting thing is that Vince is getting more votes than Bush.................. in CALIFORNIA!

 

[johnnyfb]

1) Colston

2) Jones-Drew

3) Addai

4) Bush

5) VYoung

 

[johnnyfb]

No love for Devin Hester? Here are his stats:

Punt Returns:

35/497 yds/14.2 ave./84 yds longest/3 TDs

Leads the NFL (not rookies) in Punt Returns. Next highest average is 12.7.

Kick Returns:

6/126 yds/21.0 average/27 yds longest/0 TDs

Missed field goal returns:

1/108 yds/1 TD

Tied NFL record for longest TD.

I'm sure Hester has locked up Special Teams Rookie of the Year.

Not after MJD got his return TD and is averaging (I think) more than 27 yards/kick return

 

[3nOut]

No love for Devin Hester? Here are his stats:

Punt Returns:

35/497 yds/14.2 ave./84 yds longest/3 TDs

Leads the NFL (not rookies) in Punt Returns. Next highest average is 12.7.

Kick Returns:

6/126 yds/21.0 average/27 yds longest/1 TDs

Missed field goal returns:

1/108 yds/1 TD

Tied NFL record for longest TD.

5 TDs total, sets rookie record

Updated

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

No love for Devin Hester? Here are his stats:

Punt Returns:

35/497 yds/14.2 ave./84 yds longest/3 TDs

Leads the NFL (not rookies) in Punt Returns. Next highest average is 12.7.

Kick Returns:

6/126 yds/21.0 average/27 yds longest/1 TDs

Missed field goal returns:

1/108 yds/1 TD

Tied NFL record for longest TD.

5 TDs total, sets rookie record

Updated

make that 6 touchdowns. WOW

 

[ziachild07]

I'm sure Hester has locked up Special Teams Rookie of the Year.

Do they give a ST ROY award?? If so, go ahead and put that thing in the mail.OROY - Vince YoungDROY - DeMeco Ryans

 

[Marc Levin]

I also have Travis Henry as the frontrunner for comeback player of the year.

I had Deuce here, but Henry's a good call.

 

[3nOut]

No love for Devin Hester? Here are his stats:

Punt Returns:

35/497 yds/14.2 ave./84 yds longest/3 TDs

Leads the NFL (not rookies) in Punt Returns. Next highest average is 12.7.

Kick Returns:

6/126 yds/21.0 average/27 yds longest/1 2 TDs

Missed field goal returns:

1/108 yds/1 TD

Tied NFL record for longest TD.

5 6 TDs total, sets rookie record

Updated

make that 6 touchdowns. WOW

 

[Zigg]

i voted for colston, but partially because i love him. he's been nasty all year, but it's hard to ignore what vince young's been doing. those two are neck and neck, in my opinion. bush and drew are a couple steps behind, don't let a big last couple weeks fool you.

Bush is going to end up with close to 1500 total yards (probably 100 receptions), and close to double digit TD's. Not much "fooling" with those numbers.

Besides the 100 recptions, MJD already has those numbers. He already has 1,000 from scimage, he'll very likely go over 2,000 total yards and already has 12 TDs.

Bush - 1092 yfsMJD - 998 yfs

Addai 213 touches 1126 APY 8 TD'sBush 227 touches 1288 APY 7 TD'sMJD 169 touches 1700 APY 12 TD'sMaroney 200 touches 1586 APY 5 TD'sIf we are going to compare numbers, here is a more complete look. With MJD getting limited touches from scrimmage, I feel including KR yardage is a better way to compare these outstanding rookie RB's.I think you can make a case for any of them (sorry to discount Colston, but he missed all or significant parts of 4 games and was not a factor last night).It is very difficult to compare QB's and OL guys to RB's. Young has been amazing lately, but so have Bush and MJD. It is between those three to me.I voted MJD. Doin' the most with the least touches(and height-NTTAWWT).

Why are you including return yardage? Of course taking kicks back where 20 yards per return is bad is going to inflate your stats.

 

[3nOut]

AJ Hawk deserves consideration. Hehas started since the 1st game with the Packers and he has been an impact defensive player. He has a strong case:74.0 Tackles34 Assists3.5 Sacks2 Fumble Recoveries1 Interception5 Pass Def

He's got a strong case, but DeMeco is pulling away:105 Tackles23 Assists3.5 Sacks1 Fumble Recoveries1 Interception6 Pass Def

i voted too quickly. missed Ryans.. his without question... please reset my vote...

No doubt Demeco gets DROY.OROY will either be Vince or Bush.

Hold your horses...Without question? No doubt? You cant say that without giving any consideration to Mark Anderson of the Bears. Before today, his stats were:14 Tackles5 Asst10 Sacks3 Forced fumbles.I think he added 2 or 3 more sacks amd 1 more forced fumble today.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Man the rookies are really lighting the league on fire this year. So many great candidates. I think you could make a case that more than half a dozen of these guys would've won it last year. Let's not forget about Marcus Mcneil either.

Drew, Bush, Young, Cutler, Leinart, Colston, Hester, Mcneil, Mangold, Addai. And that's just the guys on offense.

Btw LHUCKS, that's going to be an uphill argument for you not only because Young has slightly outplayed Leinart this year, but also because no one is surprised that the biggest shameless homer on the board is all over the Pac-1 QB. You brought that one on yourself.

 

[NOONAN]

i voted for colston, but partially because i love him. he's been nasty all year, but it's hard to ignore what vince young's been doing. those two are neck and neck, in my opinion. bush and drew are a couple steps behind, don't let a big last couple weeks fool you.

Bush is going to end up with close to 1500 total yards (probably 100 receptions), and close to double digit TD's. Not much "fooling" with those numbers.

Besides the 100 recptions, MJD already has those numbers. He already has 1,000 from scimage, he'll very likely go over 2,000 total yards and already has 12 TDs.

Bush - 1092 yfsMJD - 998 yfs

Addai 213 touches 1126 APY 8 TD'sBush 227 touches 1288 APY 7 TD'sMJD 169 touches 1700 APY 12 TD'sMaroney 200 touches 1586 APY 5 TD'sIf we are going to compare numbers, here is a more complete look. With MJD getting limited touches from scrimmage, I feel including KR yardage is a better way to compare these outstanding rookie RB's.I think you can make a case for any of them (sorry to discount Colston, but he missed all or significant parts of 4 games and was not a factor last night).It is very difficult to compare QB's and OL guys to RB's. Young has been amazing lately, but so have Bush and MJD. It is between those three to me.I voted MJD. Doin' the most with the least touches(and height-NTTAWWT).

Why are you including return yardage? Of course taking kicks back where 20 yards per return is bad is going to inflate your stats.

Because special teams are part of the game??? His fantasy points and TD's per touch are incredible with or without return yardage. Bush has also done some damage on special team IIRC.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

i voted for colston, but partially because i love him. he's been nasty all year, but it's hard to ignore what vince young's been doing. those two are neck and neck, in my opinion. bush and drew are a couple steps behind, don't let a big last couple weeks fool you.

Bush is going to end up with close to 1500 total yards (probably 100 receptions), and close to double digit TD's. Not much "fooling" with those numbers.

Besides the 100 recptions, MJD already has those numbers. He already has 1,000 from scimage, he'll very likely go over 2,000 total yards and already has 12 TDs.

:( Bush - 1092 yfsMJD - 998 yfs

Addai 213 touches 1126 APY 8 TD'sBush 227 touches 1288 APY 7 TD'sMJD 169 touches 1700 APY 12 TD'sMaroney 200 touches 1586 APY 5 TD'sIf we are going to compare numbers, here is a more complete look. With MJD getting limited touches from scrimmage, I feel including KR yardage is a better way to compare these outstanding rookie RB's.I think you can make a case for any of them (sorry to discount Colston, but he missed all or significant parts of 4 games and was not a factor last night).It is very difficult to compare QB's and OL guys to RB's. Young has been amazing lately, but so have Bush and MJD. It is between those three to me.I voted MJD. Doin' the most with the least touches(and height-NTTAWWT).

Why are you including return yardage? Of course taking kicks back where 20 yards per return is bad is going to inflate your stats.

Because special teams are part of the game??? His fantasy points and TD's per touch are incredible with or without return yardage. Bush has also done some damage on special team IIRC.

No one is saying special teams aren't a part of the game but throwing in a stat where even the absolute worst at it average 17 yards per attempt is a total farce when making a comparison like you are.It's like saying Charlie Frye has more total yards than all those guys so obviously he's better. Or like saying Michael Lewis averages 24 yards per touch and LT only averages 7 so Michael Lewis is better.

 

[Riffraff]

Voted Vince Young.

Without him, Tennessee would still be vying for the top draft pick.

Stats + team impact.

 

[Mister CIA]

This might go down to the wire.

Colston was the front runner before he was beset by injury. Still, he may be on his way to a top 5 rookie season for WR ever.

Reggie Bush - coming into his own, but probably too late.

MJD - 15 TDs (and counting) = sick.

Vince Young - all he does is win.

As of today, I lean towards MJD slightly over VY. Week 17 could change that.

Edited to say what I mean.

 

[Marc Faletti]

LHUCKS is cracking me up. If you see Vick in Young, you aren't paying attention. When did Vick make the biggest comeback by a rookie QB ever? When did Vick lead 4 4th quarter comebacks in ANY season, much less his first? When did Vick show the kind of leadership, maturity, intangibles, and *passing touch* of VY? Never.

And besides, just because Vick has regressed doesn't mean everyone else who takes the NFL by storm will do the same - it just means he didn't have the will to take his game to the next level. We all know Vince has that -- look at how much better he got in college vs how much Vick improved. And look at how much Vince has improved over this season vs. Vick's first year, in which he was pretty much the same from start to finish. Your bias seems deep and blinding, my man, but I guess ignorance is bliss.

Young has put an entire franchise on his back. Anyone who thinks otherwise didn't see the Titans before he took over. Make mine Vince.

 

[NOONAN]

i voted for colston, but partially because i love him. he's been nasty all year, but it's hard to ignore what vince young's been doing. those two are neck and neck, in my opinion. bush and drew are a couple steps behind, don't let a big last couple weeks fool you.

Bush is going to end up with close to 1500 total yards (probably 100 receptions), and close to double digit TD's. Not much "fooling" with those numbers.

Besides the 100 recptions, MJD already has those numbers. He already has 1,000 from scimage, he'll very likely go over 2,000 total yards and already has 12 TDs.

Bush - 1092 yfsMJD - 998 yfs

Addai 213 touches 1126 APY 8 TD'sBush 227 touches 1288 APY 7 TD'sMJD 169 touches 1700 APY 12 TD'sMaroney 200 touches 1586 APY 5 TD'sIf we are going to compare numbers, here is a more complete look. With MJD getting limited touches from scrimmage, I feel including KR yardage is a better way to compare these outstanding rookie RB's.I think you can make a case for any of them (sorry to discount Colston, but he missed all or significant parts of 4 games and was not a factor last night).It is very difficult to compare QB's and OL guys to RB's. Young has been amazing lately, but so have Bush and MJD. It is between those three to me.I voted MJD. Doin' the most with the least touches(and height-NTTAWWT).

Why are you including return yardage? Of course taking kicks back where 20 yards per return is bad is going to inflate your stats.

Because special teams are part of the game??? His fantasy points and TD's per touch are incredible with or without return yardage. Bush has also done some damage on special team IIRC.

No one is saying special teams aren't a part of the game but throwing in a stat where even the absolute worst at it average 17 yards per attempt is a total farce when making a comparison like you are.It's like saying Charlie Frye has more total yards than all those guys so obviously he's better. Or like saying Michael Lewis averages 24 yards per touch and LT only averages 7 so Michael Lewis is better.

It is completely relevant fantasy-wise when return yards count. NFL wise, I think more credit is given than most FFL'ers give. You are also not mentioning his TD production...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

It is completely relevant fantasy-wise when return yards count. NFL wise, I think more credit is given than most FFL'ers give. You are also not mentioning his TD production...

Sure it's relevant when fantasy yards count, which is extremely rare. Even when it does count it doesn't count in the manner you're presenting it, which is the same amount as rushing and receiving yards....not even close.Even beyond that, it's even more irresponsible to lump it all together because as I mentioned even the worst kick returner in the year will have an average around 17 which would still massively inflate any rush/rec numbers. The way you're presenting it a 15 yard kickoff return (which in real life is terrible) is just as good as a 15 yard run (which in real life is great).It was also nice of you to point out the fantasy relevance of return yards (which contrary to your crazy belief is negligible in the grand scheme of things) in a thread about who should win the NFL's rookie of the year award.As for your last statement, of course I'm not mentioning his TD production. That's because I'm not the guy you were arguing with, and am not someone who is arguing in favor of any of the other guys as I believe either MJD or Marcus Mcneil should win the OROY award. But that doesn't mean I think your presentation of those statistics is any less of a farce just because they benefit the guy I think should win the award.

 

[mad sweeney]

I voted other. He'll never win it becuase he's alineman but Marcus McNeil is a large part of the Chargers' and LT's success. No holding penalties at LT and I believe no sacks given up either. Plus a large majority of LT's TDs have come on the left side. He's a dark horse but very much as deserving as any of the other candidates.

 

[Tau837]

I think OROY should now be down to Young, MJD, and McNeill. And I think for at least some voters, they may still be undecided until after next week's games.

I think Colston lost his shot when he got hurt. Bush's second half has been impressive at times, but has merely lifted his overall season performance from bust level to the good to very good level--too little too late. Leinart isn't even the best rookie QB, so he isn't a factor here. Cutler obviously got his shot too late to be a factor. Hester doesn't play offense, so he isn't a consideration.

It is hard to specifically quantify McNeill's impact, so he really has no shot, as deserving as he is. Same for Mangold.

I would vote Young over MJD at this point, as I think this is a case where Young deserves the credit for the turnaround in the team's record.

 

[Tau837]

I voted other. He'll never win it becuase he's alineman but Marcus McNeil is a large part of the Chargers' and LT's success. No holding penalties at LT and I believe no sacks given up either. Plus a large majority of LT's TDs have come on the left side. He's a dark horse but very much as deserving as any of the other candidates.

I generally agree with you, but McNeill has unofficially given up two sacks on the season. Still great for a rookie LT.

 

[Otis]

i voted for colston, but partially because i love him. he's been nasty all year, but it's hard to ignore what vince young's been doing. those two are neck and neck, in my opinion. bush and drew are a couple steps behind, don't let a big last couple weeks fool you.

Bush isn't behind him in the receptions category.My vote goes to Young. The Titans were an attrocious team and he has them winning games.

Not that different from Leinart. In his first start he put them in position to beat the "unbeatable" Bears, he's put them in a position to win several other games, and he's won the rest. He's not as sexy a choice as Young because he isn't as athletic, but he's every bit the player.

And the fact that he's "put them in position" to win games as opposed to actually winning them.

To Otis, his first start was actually against the Chiefs, and he put the Cards in position to beat them as well.In both of those games, Leinart effectively led the team down the field in the final minutes and set Rackers up for potential game winning (or tying) FGs. There's nothing more that he could have done. I think in both cases they could have run more offensive plays and made the FG more manageable, but Green took the ball out of his hands and left it to Rackers.

I stand corrected and you are absolutely right -- I watched that drive. Hell of a NFL debut.

 

[johnnyfb]

Well, it looks like Vince Young took the AP OROY Award...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2718595

I guess this ends the discussion, although as a slight Pac-10 homer, it would've been nice to see MJD take a greater share of the votes.