BusterTBronco
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Caps off a very disappointing season for RW owners.
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Roy Williams out for the year (1 Viewer)
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thehornet
Footballguy
bulger2holt
Footballguy
he has had 2 balls thrown to him, and one was uncatchable
I had the choice between him and Evans. I know hind sight is 20/20, but I should have went Evans
And you would have been saying the opposite at the begining of the year when Roy Williams was doing well, and Lee Evans was invisible.I had the choice between him and Evans. I know hind sight is 20/20, but I should have went Evans
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Martz is trying to make a point to run the ball today. I really think Martz is trying to spite Marinelli. They have had a feud going most of the year on play selection. Martz likes to throw, Marinelli wants balance. Martz is showing him when they run, as they are doing today, they are not as effective.........JMO
Enforcer
Footballguy
Your postings would be improved if you simply crapped in your hand and rubbed it on your monitor. Just a suggestion.
aggie_dave
Footballguy
Have you been watching the routes they're sending him on though?!!! He has only run the streak down the side of the field or a delayed crossing route 5 yds past the LOS! The middle of the field has been open most of the day, and they're just not sending him there. How about a post pattern, or even heaven forbid a out and in double move. Yeah, he's been frustrating, but you can't put it all on him.
Your postings would be improved if you simply crapped in your hand and rubbed it on your monitor. Just a suggestion.
Prime sig material here.god what a dumb thing to say. i wonder if there's anything that could happen to the Lions that Martz wouldn't get blamed for.
Another thing is the Lions should have just put Kitna in the shotgun and spread out the Packers. The routes Johnson and Williams should be running are quick slants and double moves. McDonald and Furrey could work the middle out the slot. Al Harris is playing too tight on Williams for them not to send him on slants and double moves.....i.e. slant and go
This is an analogy from stuff I have read in the local papers and websites. I am really not trying to blame either coach just a disagreement between the two is what I see. If you would like to read them also you can read for yourself. Look at these siteswww.mlive.comwww.sportsinferno.comLook in the Lions blog written by Lions beat writer Tom "Killer" Kowalski on the mlive pageLook in the forum from the locals on the sports inferno pageHTH
W1cked
Footballguy
I had Roy Williams last season and needed a RB and actually dropped him because he wasn't producing. I learned my lesson then...
I friend of mine who I watched the game has him this year and I told him don't expect much. Anytime he runs his mouth he don't do anything. Not with Al Harris on him...
plus he drops WAY too many easy passes.
I friend of mine who I watched the game has him this year and I told him don't expect much. Anytime he runs his mouth he don't do anything. Not with Al Harris on him...
plus he drops WAY too many easy passes.
thehornet
Footballguy
i will. Right after you post Roy's from last week.BusterTBronco said:Thanks for the suggestion, "Enforcer".Was wondering if you could do me a favor? (my computer ain't workin so good)Could you kindly post Roy Williams stat line for the day and what the translates to in fantasy points?Thanks!
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
you obviously didn't watch the game very closely.I will review.1. Roy lines up to the left, Calvin to the right2. Kitna gets the snap, looks right, throws rightKitna didn't even try to look his way. If you ask me Kitna was afraid of Harris.BusterTBronco said:
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
and the week before....with busts like Harrison, Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, etc. It's actually kind of funny to hear a guy call Roy a bust while he just came off a 100 yard game and the week before a 2 TD game.i will. Right after you post Roy's from last week.BusterTBronco said:Thanks for the suggestion, "Enforcer".Was wondering if you could do me a favor? (my computer ain't workin so good)Could you kindly post Roy Williams stat line for the day and what the translates to in fantasy points?Thanks!
-OZ-
Footballguy
I also played Roy over Evans, but I knew better. It isn't that Roy isn't good - he's one of the best in the league. It's simply that the Packers D is very good at generating a pass rush, the Lions OL isn't good, and the Packers DBs are among the best in the NFL. Kitna barely had time to throw, at one time IIRC the stat line read 19 dropbacks, and he only had a couple times when he wasn't hurried or hit.
Against a team with a lesser pass rush, Roy will rock. But I don't think I'll be starting him against a good DL again this year. Please show me where my analysis fails.
Against a team with a lesser pass rush, Roy will rock. But I don't think I'll be starting him against a good DL again this year. Please show me where my analysis fails.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
on the uncatchable pass, he was wide open. Not only that, had it been on point, it would have been a very long TDBusterTBronco said:
Brother Mouzone
Footballguy
It's threads like this that help me to get guys like Roy Williams in the fourth and fifth rounds.
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FFdork
Footballguy
That sounds about right to me, although, as someone pointed out, he was one overthrown ball away from a long TD + he took another one inside the 5. Also, it really seemed like their plan was to attack the backup corner that was lining up against Calvin, which also negatively affected Roy as well. Even though the Lions are struggling to pass protect, it's hard to imagine that many people have 3 better options so as to consider benching him in your typical league.
westbrook36
Footballguy
Roy Williams is one of the best receivers in the game. I'd take him on the Eagles any day.
V1LL
Footballguy
any team would take him and start him i'm quite sure of that. Guy is a great receiver. If Kitna could get ANY time at all to check more than 2 options it would be real nice.
DWidmar
Footballguy
Roy is the #10 WR in my league. Hardly a bust. That makes him a WR#1 in my book. All WR's have good games and bad games. Also, Lee Evans is the #24 WR in my league. Barely a WR 2 for the year. You have to look at the whole body of work not just a couple of games here and there.
thatguythere
Footballguy
I benched him for the first time this year and played Grant instead. Now I have hackett and housh on sunday instead. Wheeew, that one was close, but I'm sooo happy I made the right decision, and it was tough being a die hard Lions fan. I've watched the Lions all year long and knew they were going to get smacked today. Kitna hasn't looked very good the last few weeks despite putting up decent numbers in garbage time.For whatever reason, he is not a #1 anymore. I think it has been more Kitna though. But, the Lions have become too fancy for their own good. Go figure, with Idiot Martz at the helm. If they stick with Roy and Calvin as their top receivers and run KJ, as a traditional offense, they might succeed. Martz is just a jackass and will kill any team or offense he runs. They have the talent, so just EXECUTE and you will win. Period.
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
There is really no need to wait for Roy's big game for that.It's pretty simple really, there are a handful of consistent WRs, the rest are a crapshoot from week to week.BusterTBronco said:
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Roy is one of the most physically gifted WR in the league. He's a top 5 guy on paper. But in the real world, he just seems to lack the consistency and mental focus to be a truly elite WR. And he admittedly doesn't tip the pizza delivery man. That right there is a penalty flag. You know Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison would at least drop a couple bucks for the working man.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Okay, I take back everything nice that I have ever said on the subject, he is an overrated slack-jawed ninny and his face is rather disagreeable.
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TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Looks like Pizza Hut also just ran a promo with Roy where he delivered a couple of pizzas. He didn't get tipped either. 
Roy delivers for Pizza Hut
And he has now decided to turn over a new leaf and start tipping.
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BigTuna
Footballguy
I guess I should start my gore is the most overrated RB ever thread. LOL
Just because you drafted him too early, does not make him overrated. Little advice for your draft next year. Draft good players on good teams if you want to do well. He's a product of his system. If memory serves correctly Moss wasn't blowing anyones skirt up when he was in Oak.
Just because you drafted him too early, does not make him overrated. Little advice for your draft next year. Draft good players on good teams if you want to do well. He's a product of his system. If memory serves correctly Moss wasn't blowing anyones skirt up when he was in Oak.
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Maude
Footballguy
I'm a UT alum and a big Roy Williams fan. All bias aside, I think he is a pretty darn good receiver and will be for many years to come.
But what I cannot understand is why with the Lions down by 20 points in the fourth quarter, Roy catches a pass and picks up the first down, WhyTF does he do that stupid first down pose and act like he made a huge play. All you did was catch the ball and get a first down. You're still down by 20 points!!
But what I cannot understand is why with the Lions down by 20 points in the fourth quarter, Roy catches a pass and picks up the first down, WhyTF does he do that stupid first down pose and act like he made a huge play. All you did was catch the ball and get a first down. You're still down by 20 points!!
-OZ-
Footballguy
even Moss couldn't do it without quality QBs. (consistently, that is)Come on, don't you guys know that every WR should get 100+ yards and two scores a week.I mean, if you're not Randy Moss you suck
Duke1948
Footballguy
now you know that is not always a true statement, good players on bad teams can score just as much, especially if we are talking WRs.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Aikman basiclly questioned his work ethic. That says something.
Butters
Footballguy
No, it doesn't. Aikman gets paid to talk now. That's it.Williams has performed to expectations this year. Folks in general just have little grasp for the high variability of WR scoring.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Yeah, you're right. Guys, listen to the message board poster. Aikman is making his opinion of Williams' desire up. He just felt like it, k? Please.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
He isn't in the top 15 of WRs in your scoring systems (hes close to WR 10 in mine)? The problem is hes so inconsist; one week he'll rack 6 for 100 and a TD, then he'll give you a day like yesterday. Its more of the O-Line not giving the QB time to toss the rock. But I hear most people's fustration, in my 20+ total leagues... I do not own Roy or CJ2 in any.
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FFdork
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Aikman didn't do a very good job of explaining where he was coming from there. I wish he had been able to explain himself better.Yeah, you're right. Guys, listen to the message board poster. Aikman is making his opinion of Williams' desire up. He just felt like it, k?
Please.
FFdork
Footballguy
Outside of your handful of guys (this year: Moss, Owens, Wayne, Housh), which WRs are consistent? Even the guys I just listed have some stinkers this year. It's a streaky position. Pretty much all of your top 10-15 WRs have huge days and days like Roy did yesterday. I do agree with the previous point that the poor o-line play is making it even more of a challenge for Kitna to get the ball to Roy, but most WRs have some reason that they don't produce consistently (inconsistent QB play, face shutdown corner, running game can't be stopped, etc. etc.) compared to a RB or QB.
thatguythere
Footballguy
Kitna,Roy, and Calvin are the least on the Lions problems!
Did anyone see how the right tackle was getting blown up by Kampman all day?
If the Lions want to take the next step and become a "good" team they need to address the offensive line. You are not going to build a oline with cast offs from other teams. Kitna is not a mobil QB and needs time in the pocket to succeed, period. Roy can be open all day and if they only have 2 seconds to throw the ball it doesn't matter. Put Favre behind that line and he would have retired two years ago.
I think all the talk about Martz being stubborn and his offense not working properly is just a matter of execution and that's it. THe oline blocks, Kitna has time, and the receivers will get open.
The Lions have quite a few pieces of the puzzle in place, but they need to address the oline, LBer's, and CB's and they will make a huge step.
Being a life long Lions fan, I am realistic and perfectly happy with the way this team has looked this year. Marinelli has finally gotten the losing mentality out of the locker room and that is the most important stride they have made.
Anyone who thought the Lions were anything more than a wildcard or just miss the playoffs team this year has unrealistic expectations and will end up dissapointed.
ROY is pro bowl caliber receiver. Can you imagine what he would do in New England or Dallas? WOW! Temper you expectations for this year, the Lions are still showing lots of growing pains. My fantasy team is Martz Spare Partz and although I drafted Kitna and Roy they aren't playing for me anymore. It was fun while it lasted, but I like to win.
The Lions are trying to build a winner and there are still going to be some bumps in the road.
Did anyone see how the right tackle was getting blown up by Kampman all day?
If the Lions want to take the next step and become a "good" team they need to address the offensive line. You are not going to build a oline with cast offs from other teams. Kitna is not a mobil QB and needs time in the pocket to succeed, period. Roy can be open all day and if they only have 2 seconds to throw the ball it doesn't matter. Put Favre behind that line and he would have retired two years ago.
I think all the talk about Martz being stubborn and his offense not working properly is just a matter of execution and that's it. THe oline blocks, Kitna has time, and the receivers will get open.
The Lions have quite a few pieces of the puzzle in place, but they need to address the oline, LBer's, and CB's and they will make a huge step.
Being a life long Lions fan, I am realistic and perfectly happy with the way this team has looked this year. Marinelli has finally gotten the losing mentality out of the locker room and that is the most important stride they have made.
Anyone who thought the Lions were anything more than a wildcard or just miss the playoffs team this year has unrealistic expectations and will end up dissapointed.
ROY is pro bowl caliber receiver. Can you imagine what he would do in New England or Dallas? WOW! Temper you expectations for this year, the Lions are still showing lots of growing pains. My fantasy team is Martz Spare Partz and although I drafted Kitna and Roy they aren't playing for me anymore. It was fun while it lasted, but I like to win.
The Lions are trying to build a winner and there are still going to be some bumps in the road.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I dunno how you can call a guy who's in the top 12 (that'd be starting WR1) a huge bust just because he laid a brick in a game that the QB hardly ever looked at him.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
There's not even a handful of consistent WRs. We've done this study before. Receivers that are consistent one year show no propensity to continue that in the future.
W1cked
Footballguy
No, it's not all Roy Williams fault.
Truth is... it's Martz fault. His play calling is horrible...
Their pass blocking OL is terrible... why would you send 4 guys wide and empty the backfield? Just because Green bay does it and has success? Weekly they do this and Kitna gets sacked. How many Lions
The slant route has all but been taken out of the play book. Every play is a 5 step drop with the 5 step Kitna being on his rear end. They don't have the OL personal to run the offense Martz is trying to have them run. An when you 100% give up on the run it makes it that much harder.
Truth is... it's Martz fault. His play calling is horrible...
Their pass blocking OL is terrible... why would you send 4 guys wide and empty the backfield? Just because Green bay does it and has success? Weekly they do this and Kitna gets sacked. How many Lions
The slant route has all but been taken out of the play book. Every play is a 5 step drop with the 5 step Kitna being on his rear end. They don't have the OL personal to run the offense Martz is trying to have them run. An when you 100% give up on the run it makes it that much harder.
Butterbags
Footballguy
The earlier poster is absolutely right...Jesus-Lovin' Jon locked in on Calvin Johnson play after play. The idea that Williams never got open didn't really matter since most of the time Johnson wasn't open either and Kitna threw it to him anyway. I don't know if Kitna feared Williams or has just developed a J.P. Losman on Lee Evans-like mancrush, but Williams simply didn't get any looks from Kitna.
