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Seems to be a Rondell Mealey situation brewing here.......
This supports my post earlier that the Bengals were waiting for Dorsey to get healthy so they could bring him back. I do agree sitting Rudi for a week might be the prudent move; I simply wonder if they can afford to do that and go to 1-3. That could put them in a hole they can't climb out of when it comes to trying to make the playoffs in the AFC."(The Bengals) told me to call them when I could start running," Dorsey said.
no way the Pats stop Chad,TJ,Palmer,and Watson.they will beat the Bengals, but Cincy is going to put up 20+ pts..this game has 42-35 written all over it.best way to keep Moss off the field, is to sccessfully run the ball for LONG , long drives and wear down the clock.desperation game for Cincy, its a make-or-break game for them.NE's defense has traditionally given up the yardage to a RB, while not letting a WR beat them, just like they do when they play Indy, they'd let Edge run crazy, yet contain Harrison,Wayne, et al.I suspect the same will happen with Cincy this week.I don't know if it's worth the risk of playing Rudi this week even if it looks like he's going to play. The Patriots figure to score plenty of points, and the Bengals, who already throw a ton, will probably be in hurry-up/catch-up mode (with Watson) for a good chunk of the game anyway.
He was a Wr at Penn State. Had some decent moments as a Redskin after Stephen Davis was injured, sharing time with Ladel Betts. They ended up keeping Betts for the future and Marvin Lewis being familiar with him from when he coached there grabed him in Free Agency. He's pretty good at catching balls out of the backfield and has decent but not great speed. I view him as a decent backup running back.Does anybody really know anything about Watson? It appears, based on his career statistics that when he has played, he has played well. But I would also guess there are reasons why he was an undrafted FA and hasn't played more to this point in his career.Anybody have any real insight here?
I like what I've seen from him. Rudi pisses me off with his dancing around in the backfield and running soft. Watson gets the ball and runs.I know Lewis said that Perry had progressed well enough in rehab to possibly open the season on the active roster instead of on PUP. So he should be good to go in week 7.... until he gets hurt again.Does anybody really know anything about Watson? It appears, based on his career statistics that when he has played, he has played well. But I would also guess there are reasons why he was an undrafted FA and hasn't played more to this point in his career.Anybody have any real insight here?
Bengals didn't practice today so we won't learn anything new until tomorrow afternoon probably.gkza said:Just a bump for fellow Rudi owners. Cant find any recent stories that havent been posted
You just don't walk off the Indy practice field, take a month off and go to an entirely different team and start that week. Sure he was with them last year, but I just dont' even see him being active unless he plays special teams.Wouldn't DeDe Dorsey be the backup? Watson got carries on Sunday by default - they didn't have anyone else. Watson is the 3rd down back, won't he keep that role with Dorsey getting the majority of the carries? They already know DeDe in Cincy.
I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
Was that rudeness really needed? Several people exressed that with Rudi going on monday night it was going to be tough to wait on a game time decision. I share some advice on a possible alternative and I get this rude remark from you? Seriously why do you read this message board if it's not to share fantasy ideas and advice? If you don't need the advice move on, but please keep your non-excellent remarks to yourself.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
I actually appreciate your thoughts about the Faulk scenario. However, in the role that Faulk plays in this year, what are the chances that Faulk will outscore RBs on your roster who would play on Sunday?Was that rudeness really needed? Several people exressed that with Rudi going on monday night it was going to be tough to wait on a game time decision. I share some advice on a possible alternative and I get this rude remark from you? Seriously why do you read this message board if it's not to share fantasy ideas and advice? If you don't need the advice move on, but please keep your non-excellent remarks to yourself.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
With my roster, sadly pretty good in what could by a high scoring game on monday night. Have 1 RB out and 2 on bye in that league. I'd bet with the RB injuries and the bye week a lot of people are in a bad position. If Rudi is a GTD there's still a chance he plays, if not at least Faulk give you an alternative. 50% Rudi plays, 50% maybe Faulk gets you something isn't a good option, but it's something to consider if you are in a bind.I actually appreciate your thoughts about the Faulk scenario. However, in the role that Faulk plays in this year, what are the chances that Faulk will outscore RBs on your roster who would play on Sunday?Was that rudeness really needed? Several people exressed that with Rudi going on monday night it was going to be tough to wait on a game time decision. I share some advice on a possible alternative and I get this rude remark from you? Seriously why do you read this message board if it's not to share fantasy ideas and advice? If you don't need the advice move on, but please keep your non-excellent remarks to yourself.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
Was that rudeness really needed? Several people exressed that with Rudi going on monday night it was going to be tough to wait on a game time decision. I share some advice on a possible alternative and I get this rude remark from you? Seriously why do you read this message board if it's not to share fantasy ideas and advice? If you don't need the advice move on, but please keep your non-excellent remarks to yourself.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
This response is so tiresome. When someone posts something that perhaps strays a little too close to their own particular situation, we all know what they're "guilty" of doing. I always wonder who's going to be the putz who posts this worn out refrain.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
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By GEOFF HOBSON
September 26, 2007
On Tuesday, Marvin Lewis said something that he hasn't said since Rudi Johnson became the Bengals running back in 2004: Johnson may not be able to play Monday night with a sore hamstring.
So Jim Anderson said what he's been saying for the last 24 years as the Bengals running backs coach.
"What does the barber say?" Anderson asked. "He says, 'Next.' He doesn't care if you're No. 2 or No. 3 or what."
Kenny Watson, coming off his most prolific game since his rookie season with 60 yards on nine carries, moves comfortably into the No. 1 role if needed even though he hasn't carried 20 times in an NFL game since he rushed for 110 yards for the 2002 Redskins.
After that, though, all bets are off, and you'd have to say the next tailback in line would be 265-pound fullback Jeremi Johnson and his 43 career carries. That's because the third tailback just arrived Tuesday in the person of DeDe Dorsey, who hasn't practiced for nearly a month and has never carried the ball in an NFL game. Clifton Dawson, here just three weeks, was cut to make room for Dorsey.
"We'll see," Anderson said. "Jeremi is an athletic guy, but you have to see how the week goes. Kenny is a guy that just does his job and what he did Sunday is what he's supposed to do; be ready even though he he's not the guy. The toughest thing to do in the National Football League is to take a mental rep. Even though you don't practice during the week, you still have to take what you see on tape and on the field and visualize yourself doing it."
Right tackle Willie Anderson talked Tuesday about how Jim Anderson has the impeccable reputation around the team for getting the next guy ready. He's been doing it so well that nine of his players have had 100-yard games under his watch.
How long has that been? Dorsey was born in 1984, the year Larry Kinnebrew got the first one in Anderson's first season as coach. No NFL assistant coach has been with a team more consecutive seasons than Anderson.
The Bengals told Dorsey last season after his rookie preseason that he needed to work on more things and they wanted to put him on the practice squad to develop him. His running skills that gave him 7.5 yards per 20 carries were obvious, but as a small college player that was originally a cornerback, the club felt Dorsey need to work on other facets of the game, particularly blocking.
"We'll have to evaluate where he is," Anderson said. "I'm sure that now that he's been with an NFL team he's had some chance to develop."
The Colts denied the Bengals putting Dorsey on the practice squad when they picked him up, but even though he was active for 13 regular-season games, three playoff games, and then the Super Bowl, he never carried or caught a ball. Then he got a turf toe injury on his right foot in, of all places, Paul Brown Stadium in the Colts Aug. 31 preseason finale.
He believes it's a big reason he got cut the next day, and has been in Indy rehabbing for the past three and a half weeks. The Bengals think he was dinged in Indy even before the turf toe, which might explain why his numbers with the Colts this preseason didn't approach the numbers here last year.
"I felt like I put in a pretty good campaign, but getting hurt alters some things," Dorsey said. "It might be I fit this offense better. It might fit the way I run. Maybe I'm more comfortable here. I don't know."
But he calls his Super Bowl season in Indy "exciting and unique," and says his ring is "tucked away in a safe place."
The 5-11, 196-pound Dorsey clearly has the speed back qualities of the injured Chris Perry and Kenny Irons, but how close he is to being ready mentally and physically is another story. When he got cut and the Bengals picked up Dawson, they told Dorsey to call when he could run again.
"Being hurt, having turf toe as a speed back is a major deal," Dorsey said. "It slows you down. I'm back to running full speed. I feel I can do it."
He has been cleared medically and the phone call did wonders for him mentally.
"Hope springs again," he said. "There's nothing that can take the place of experience of having played in the NFL for a year. I'm going to come in with more experience and more knowledge than when I first got here."
Watson already has the experience of two 100-yard games as a rookie with Washington in 2002, and is convinced he can run 20 times in a game if needed.
"If Rudi can't go, I'll do what I always do and be ready," he said.
Watson couldn't really say why he had so much success in the fourth quarter on a day Johnson had his worst game ever with nine yards on 17 carries Sunday in Seattle. Anderson said, "Every snap is different, sometimes it's just the way the game goes."
Head coach Marvin Lewis felt it was because the Bengals began huddling late instead of going no-huddle.
"The difference was we were calm, and lining up in the huddle and calling plays. That can sometimes be a big difference in our guys up front in being aggressive and attacking, and that seemed to be the biggest difference in the football game," Lewis said. "It's what we were doing offensively, and being able to get a hat on a guy and allow the runner to do his thing.
"He's a little bit different style of runner than Rudi. Things are set up a little differently. Certain runs we do offensively have been set up a little differently than where Rudi's strengths are."
If nothing else, Lewis has his guys trained. They have been instructed not to talk to the media about the no-huddle offense. Asked about run blocking in the no-huddle as opposed to not, Willie Anderson asked innocently, "You mean, we use the no-huddle? What's that?"
If Watson gets his shot, the Bengals do know that the line will try to make him the 10th Jim Anderson back to get a 100-yard game.
It's not a throwaway stat. Anderson has coached a total of 83 100-yard games, when the Bengals have a 56-27 record.
Seems to be a Rondell Mealey situation brewing here.......
I'm the "putz". Thanks for the extra name-calling as I'm sure that was necessary as well.And, my post above isn't an attempt at humor. As you've said, it's a response we see all too often. And the reason is that this thread is now over 2 pages with a lot of "clutter" that doesn't pertain to Rudi's injury. Granted, a good bit is relevant as it pertains to Dorsey and Watson, but to keep checking back in and seeing posts as the one I replied to just gets frustrating because it just takes more time of reading posts with little bearing on the information. We've all read quite a few of those and I don't normally respond, but after checking back a couple times. that was the 2nd or 3rd one without information on Rudi but informing the rest of us that their roster is thin. There was another such post a little above the one I replied to doing the same thing. If everybody posted about why they want the information and how it pertains to their team, it would just be a big mess. I'm sorry that I've had to add to this clutter myself having to explain this, but it seems that there were an inordinate # of replies to my post.This response is so tiresome. When someone posts something that perhaps strays a little too close to their own particular situation, we all know what they're "guilty" of doing. I always wonder who's going to be the putz who posts this worn out refrain.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
What happened with rondell mealey?Seems to be a Rondell Mealey situation brewing here.......Who can ever forget about the way that turned out!?
A few years ago, A. Green was injured during a game and an unheralded backup named Rondell Mealey came in and looked decent. A. Green was projected to be out the next week. On these boards, R. Meally got an astronomical amount of hype for the next game. Then, when he got the start, he produced squat!What happened with rondell mealey?Seems to be a Rondell Mealey situation brewing here.......Who can ever forget about the way that turned out!?
I think any Rudi owner in the same predicament is looking for every viable option out there. Just because a guy says "I did this" instead of "This is an option" doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Knowing what someone did (who is faced with the exact same problem) will help some people who don't have an option right now. The Faulk idea is a good one and is something many people will consider. In this case what was said is much more important than how it was said.....I'm the "putz". Thanks for the extra name-calling as I'm sure that was necessary as well.And, my post above isn't an attempt at humor. As you've said, it's a response we see all too often. And the reason is that this thread is now over 2 pages with a lot of "clutter" that doesn't pertain to Rudi's injury. Granted, a good bit is relevant as it pertains to Dorsey and Watson, but to keep checking back in and seeing posts as the one I replied to just gets frustrating because it just takes more time of reading posts with little bearing on the information. We've all read quite a few of those and I don't normally respond, but after checking back a couple times. that was the 2nd or 3rd one without information on Rudi but informing the rest of us that their roster is thin. There was another such post a little above the one I replied to doing the same thing. If everybody posted about why they want the information and how it pertains to their team, it would just be a big mess. I'm sorry that I've had to add to this clutter myself having to explain this, but it seems that there were an inordinate # of replies to my post.This response is so tiresome. When someone posts something that perhaps strays a little too close to their own particular situation, we all know what they're "guilty" of doing. I always wonder who's going to be the putz who posts this worn out refrain.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
As far as Wadsworth, if your post was giving a second option in relation to Faulk, then my apologies. Your post didn't come off that way. If that was your intent, I'm sorry. I do think, however, if that was your intent it could have been more along the lines of "Faulk is an option for those of you waiting" instead of "I picked up Kevin Faulk in case he's not playing".
Either way, I'm sorry to all for adding additional useless posts to this thread, just gets frustrating when you keep checking back on a thread and there's just post after post without any pertinent information related to the topic (or much else, for that matter). That was the direction this thread was heading.
Rudi owner here in a PPR league and Kevin Faulk is on my list of potential replacements. Things are pretty bleak at RB on the WW in my league to begin with. Toss in 8 RBs on byes this week and the pickings are going to be real slim. In a PPR league I think Faulk is viable. He's incredibly risky because he could put up a 0 very easily but if he can get 3-4 receptions for 30-40 yards at least you get a little something in Rudi's spot if he can't play.I think any Rudi owner in the same predicament is looking for every viable option out there. Just because a guy says "I did this" instead of "This is an option" doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Knowing what someone did (who is faced with the exact same problem) will help some people who don't have an option right now. The Faulk idea is a good one and is something many people will consider. In this case what was said is much more important than how it was said.....
Don't be a tool. It's actually a pretty decent way to hedge your bets if you're a Rudi owner.Thanks for sharing this. Let us know how it works out.I'm in a tough spot for RBs this week because of Rudi. If it becomes a game time thing with Rudi, I picked up Kevin Faulk so I can start him last minute if Rudi can't go. Obviously I'd prefer knowing sooner, but my other options aren't great and Faulk should a free agent in most league and provides some insurance.faux_bear said:This is a bad situation for Rudi owners who, for whatever reason, weren't able to snag Watson (in my case, I had a low waiver priority due to my 3-0 record).
The worst thing about it is that it's a Monday night game, so we may not know whether we should plug our backup in or not.
yuck.
I could go get Watson and/or Faulk, but I'll be at the game Monday night so won't be able to keep up with any announcements that come right before game time, and won't have internet access to make any changes even if I can catch any last minute news.Not a good season for me so far.I have Rudi and was able to get Watson off waivers. I plan on waiting until Monday and plugging in either Watson or Rudi before gametime. If they don't let me know I'll go with Watson.
Once I get to the game, I don't care to futz with fantasy stuff.I've got a blackberry that I could probably use to do this, but not worth it IMO.Real life and enjoyment of the pre-game festivities takes precedence.no phone/pda with internet access?
What kind of silly attitude is that?Real life and enjoyment of the pre-game festivities takes precedence.
Funny how not too long ago, fans that actually went to see the Bengals were probably more concerned about getting a good spot in line at the paper bag/unkown comic ripoff vendors. Times have changed.Brant said:Once I get to the game, I don't care to futz with fantasy stuff.I've got a blackberry that I could probably use to do this, but not worth it IMO.Real life and enjoyment of the pre-game festivities takes precedence.Pound said:no phone/pda with internet access?
TJ was busy doing a radio interview on WEEI (Boston) today. Nice interview, btw.Thursday practice update from the Cincinnati Enquirer:There was no sign outside of wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh (knee) and tailback Rudi Johnson (hamstring). The Bengals unofficially have listed Johnson as questionable for New England.
packersfan said:What kind of silly attitude is that?Brant said:Real life and enjoyment of the pre-game festivities takes precedence.I think we'll know more by Sunday. The Bengals practice the next 3 days. If Rudi practices all three days he should be good to go. If he sits he's too risky to start.
Same predicament. Also looking at Musa Smith -- may not give you the number of receptions that Faulk could garner this weekend, but he's bound to get one or two, and facing a terrible run D where his yardage -- especially if it's in mop-up play if Baltimore cruises -- could make up the difference.Rudi owner here in a PPR league and Kevin Faulk is on my list of potential replacements. Things are pretty bleak at RB on the WW in my league to begin with. Toss in 8 RBs on byes this week and the pickings are going to be real slim. In a PPR league I think Faulk is viable. He's incredibly risky because he could put up a 0 very easily but if he can get 3-4 receptions for 30-40 yards at least you get a little something in Rudi's spot if he can't play.I think any Rudi owner in the same predicament is looking for every viable option out there. Just because a guy says "I did this" instead of "This is an option" doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Knowing what someone did (who is faced with the exact same problem) will help some people who don't have an option right now. The Faulk idea is a good one and is something many people will consider. In this case what was said is much more important than how it was said.....
How about to keep this week's opponent guessing? Coaches do it all the time.Saw this on the Bengals official site:head coach Marvin Lewis wouldn't elaborate when he said he had a better sense of his status.Pure speculation on my part but the lack of elaboration coupled with Rudi not practicing leads me to think he isn't going to play this week. I don't see any reason why Lewis would be tight-lipped if Rudi was able to play. That makes zero sense.