Rules question regarding 2 pt conversions... (1 Viewer)

[unckeyherb]

Guy in the league I commish is all up in arms about the Pitt game and their two 2pt conversions a she was going against Pitts Def/ST.

He is saying it shouldn't be points for them because it isn't the ST on the field, rather the offense. I am telling him that any PAT, whether an extra PT or a 2-point conversion is considered a ST play.

Can anyone tell me if a. I am right, and b. where to find this documented somewhere?

TIA

 

[glumpy]

Our league does not count it as ST--2 pt pass/rcpt or run for whoever individually is involved.

 

[Lehigh98]

Our league does not count it as ST--2 pt pass/rcpt or run for whoever individually is involved.

It's the offense on the field vs the defense, haven't seen anyone count it for ST before.

 

[rick6668]

I don't know of any league that counts a PAT as a special teams play.

 

[Spock]

Our league does not count it as ST--2 pt pass/rcpt or run for whoever individually is involved.

Ditto

 

[unckeyherb]

yeah. for some reason RTS has been scoring it like this forever, and no one really took iissue with it till now. I guess I agree that it is dumb.

I think though, as commish, I can't change the rule midway through the season. Right? Other scores in previous weeks have been affected by this scoring rule. Precedent for this season is set, we can vote it out next year. Am I being a butthole?

 

[chidoy]

Our league does not count it as ST--2 pt pass/rcpt or run for whoever individually is involved.

Ditto

x3

 

[TheAssassin]

yeah. for some reason RTS has been scoring it like this forever, and no one really took iissue with it till now. I guess I agree that it is dumb. I think though, as commish, I can't change the rule midway through the season. Right? Other scores in previous weeks have been affected by this scoring rule. Precedent for this season is set, we can vote it out next year. Am I being a butthole?

Unless you have a specific rule in place, you let the site scoring prevail. Vote to change it next year. Had similar issue last week where one guy wanted 2 points for Minn's Def when Ariz fumbled ball thru endzone. CBS gives points for fumble recoveries, Minn didn't recover so no points per CBS.

 

[unckeyherb]

yeah, I just checked and if I did enact this rule change/add it would actually affect a game in Week 2 regarding Jets def/ST that would flip the win/loss.

Can't make a change that would retroactively affect the outcome of a game.

Thanks.

 

[bryhamm]

Guy in the league I commish is all up in arms about the Pitt game and their two 2pt conversions a she was going against Pitts Def/ST.

He is saying it shouldn't be points for them because it isn't the ST on the field, rather the offense. I am telling him that any PAT, whether an extra PT or a 2-point conversion is considered a ST play.

Can anyone tell me if a. I am right, and b. where to find this documented somewhere?

TIA

You have seriously been giving single points to the ST every time they make a PAT?

 

[IgglesFan]

I don't know of any league that counts a PAT as a special teams play.

+1No league I have ever been in counts the XP (whether a 1 or 2 point conversion) as points for the ST.

 

[IgglesFan]

Oh, and by the way.....how can this possibly be the first time this has come up in your league?????

 

[rick6668]

I don't know of any league that counts a PAT as a special teams play.

+1No league I have ever been in counts the XP (whether a 1 or 2 point conversion) as points for the ST.

How does this even work? When a PAT is kicked do both the kicker and DST get the point?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I don't know of any league that counts a PAT as a special teams play.

+1No league I have ever been in counts the XP (whether a 1 or 2 point conversion) as points for the ST.

How does this even work? When a PAT is kicked do both the kicker and DST get the point?

I guess if they don't use kickers, it'd make sense, but otherwise......

 

[unckeyherb]

Guy in the league I commish is all up in arms about the Pitt game and their two 2pt conversions a she was going against Pitts Def/ST.

He is saying it shouldn't be points for them because it isn't the ST on the field, rather the offense. I am telling him that any PAT, whether an extra PT or a 2-point conversion is considered a ST play.

Can anyone tell me if a. I am right, and b. where to find this documented somewhere?

TIA

You have seriously been giving single points to the ST every time they make a PAT?

sorry, that was misleading. No, extra points go to the kicker only. 2xps go to the ST/Def and the person(s) that scored it. I've already conceded that this is a rule that needs remedied in the offseason, but he won't let it go, saying that it shouldn't be counted because it isn't specifically in the rules as going to the ST. I have told him that I can't change the way anything is scored halfway through the season. Especially if that change reverses previous outcomes of games. He proposed to enact the change going forward, but include his game. I should add that he is currently winning by 3.2 points and the guy he is going against has Cooley going. If I changed this scoring, his opponent would lose 4 points, making it much more plausible to pull out a win.

 

[TommyGilmore]

extra points go to the kicker only. 2xps go to the ST/Def and the person(s) that scored it.

As long as you still give points to the individual players, then it's not that big of a deal.You are incorrect to think that it's a "Special Teams" play in the first place, but there's nothing inherently wrong with having a rule that gives points to 2 players for the same act. That's why it's called Fantasy football. You can do whatever you want.

 

[vandyt]

A given team's "Special Teams" unit is NEVER on the field until the ball is kicked, when the ball is being snapped from scrimmage.

Even if 2 pt conversions counted for your league's D/ST, they wouldn't ever get applied, because on any 2 pt conversion the ball isn't being kicked.

 

[GregR_2]

yeah. for some reason RTS has been scoring it like this forever, and no one really took iissue with it till now. I guess I agree that it is dumb. I think though, as commish, I can't change the rule midway through the season. Right? Other scores in previous weeks have been affected by this scoring rule. Precedent for this season is set, we can vote it out next year. Am I being a butthole?

Unless you have a specific rule in place, you let the site scoring prevail. Vote to change it next year. Had similar issue last week where one guy wanted 2 points for Minn's Def when Ariz fumbled ball thru endzone. CBS gives points for fumble recoveries, Minn didn't recover so no points per CBS.

Agreed. If you find an error that runs contrary to your stated rules, you fix it now. (Hopefully you already have a rule that game results are final with the start of the next week's games, so only this week would be corrected... if not, time to add that rule.) But if this is something your rules aren't clear on and there is a history of it being done this way, let it stand for the rest of the year and change it in the offseason.

 

[az_prof]

Leagues I have been in do NOT count 2 pt conversion as ST. The offensive players involved get 2 pts; QB and WR each get 2 or RB gets 2.

 

[davearm]

Guy in the league I commish is all up in arms about the Pitt game and their two 2pt conversions a she was going against Pitts Def/ST.

He is saying it shouldn't be points for them because it isn't the ST on the field, rather the offense. I am telling him that any PAT, whether an extra PT or a 2-point conversion is considered a ST play.

Can anyone tell me if a. I am right, and b. where to find this documented somewhere?

TIA

You have seriously been giving single points to the ST every time they make a PAT?

sorry, that was misleading. No, extra points go to the kicker only. 2xps go to the ST/Def and the person(s) that scored it. I've already conceded that this is a rule that needs remedied in the offseason, but he won't let it go, saying that it shouldn't be counted because it isn't specifically in the rules as going to the ST. I have told him that I can't change the way anything is scored halfway through the season. Especially if that change reverses previous outcomes of games. He proposed to enact the change going forward, but include his game. I should add that he is currently winning by 3.2 points and the guy he is going against has Cooley going. If I changed this scoring, his opponent would lose 4 points, making it much more plausible to pull out a win.

If it's not scored a ST play when they kick it for 1 point, then it surely isn't a ST play when they run or throw it for 2 points. So you've got a correction to make.The issue is whether you apply the correction a) next year, b) next week, c) immediately, or d) retroactively.

I'd probably do b) myself, but I could see an argument for d). I would certainly not do c), and there's no reason to wait until next year to fix this.

 

[unckeyherb]

Guy in the league I commish is all up in arms about the Pitt game and their two 2pt conversions a she was going against Pitts Def/ST.

He is saying it shouldn't be points for them because it isn't the ST on the field, rather the offense. I am telling him that any PAT, whether an extra PT or a 2-point conversion is considered a ST play.

Can anyone tell me if a. I am right, and b. where to find this documented somewhere?

TIA

You have seriously been giving single points to the ST every time they make a PAT?

sorry, that was misleading. No, extra points go to the kicker only. 2xps go to the ST/Def and the person(s) that scored it. I've already conceded that this is a rule that needs remedied in the offseason, but he won't let it go, saying that it shouldn't be counted because it isn't specifically in the rules as going to the ST. I have told him that I can't change the way anything is scored halfway through the season. Especially if that change reverses previous outcomes of games. He proposed to enact the change going forward, but include his game. I should add that he is currently winning by 3.2 points and the guy he is going against has Cooley going. If I changed this scoring, his opponent would lose 4 points, making it much more plausible to pull out a win.

If it's not scored a ST play when they kick it for 1 point, then it surely isn't a ST play when they run or throw it for 2 points. So you've got a correction to make.The issue is whether you apply the correction a) next year, b) next week, c) immediately, or d) retroactively.

I'd probably do b) myself, but I could see an argument for d). I would certainly not do c), and there's no reason to wait until next year to fix this.

Yeah, you are correct, it is a scoring rule that has frankly gone unnoticed for years. Not sure why no one has raised an issue with it, but I'd wager that there has never been a game that it makes a difference. I agree it needs to be changed, but we have total points as one of our tie breakers, so there is no way I can change the scoring method for the final five weeks from the first 10. So b and c are out. I won't retroactively change a week two score and thereby swap wins, so the only option is to deal with it in the offseason.

 

[David Yudkin]

The only thing that matters here is what the league rules say for that specific league. It should not matter how the league scoring software has been scoring it. If the league settings were wrong, that DOES NOT mean you should just say oh well and ignore it. Somewhere the league rules will say who gets points on two point conversions. If it's in the rules that DEF/ST gets the two points, then leave it alone.

But if the league rules do not state that DEF/ST get credit for 2 point conversions, you need to make the appropriate change in the league settings and rescore all the games with the proper settings. If the outcome of a game changes, so be it.

 

[unckeyherb]

The only thing that matters here is what the league rules say for that specific league. It should not matter how the league scoring software has been scoring it. If the league settings were wrong, that DOES NOT mean you should just say oh well and ignore it. Somewhere the league rules will say who gets points on two point conversions. If it's in the rules that DEF/ST gets the two points, then leave it alone.But if the league rules do not state that DEF/ST get credit for 2 point conversions, you need to make the appropriate change in the league settings and rescore all the games with the proper settings. If the outcome of a game changes, so be it.

it is not stated under special teams rules. It IS however stated under Rushing rules and Passing rules that TD points and 2 point conversion points are applied to:QB, RB, WR, TE, Def/ST.

 

[David Yudkin]

The only thing that matters here is what the league rules say for that specific league. It should not matter how the league scoring software has been scoring it. If the league settings were wrong, that DOES NOT mean you should just say oh well and ignore it. Somewhere the league rules will say who gets points on two point conversions. If it's in the rules that DEF/ST gets the two points, then leave it alone.But if the league rules do not state that DEF/ST get credit for 2 point conversions, you need to make the appropriate change in the league settings and rescore all the games with the proper settings. If the outcome of a game changes, so be it.

it is not stated under special teams rules. It IS however stated under Rushing rules and Passing rules that TD points and 2 point conversion points are applied to:QB, RB, WR, TE, Def/ST.

Then you worry about it next year and make a movement to amend the rules then.

 

[Insein]

Guy in the league I commish is all up in arms about the Pitt game and their two 2pt conversions a she was going against Pitts Def/ST.

He is saying it shouldn't be points for them because it isn't the ST on the field, rather the offense. I am telling him that any PAT, whether an extra PT or a 2-point conversion is considered a ST play.

Can anyone tell me if a. I am right, and b. where to find this documented somewhere?

TIA

You have seriously been giving single points to the ST every time they make a PAT?

sorry, that was misleading. No, extra points go to the kicker only. 2xps go to the ST/Def and the person(s) that scored it. I've already conceded that this is a rule that needs remedied in the offseason, but he won't let it go, saying that it shouldn't be counted because it isn't specifically in the rules as going to the ST. I have told him that I can't change the way anything is scored halfway through the season. Especially if that change reverses previous outcomes of games. He proposed to enact the change going forward, but include his game. I should add that he is currently winning by 3.2 points and the guy he is going against has Cooley going. If I changed this scoring, his opponent would lose 4 points, making it much more plausible to pull out a win.

Can't make a change midseason regardless of how dumb it is. Stick to your guns and change it for next year. He needs to read the rules and pay attention to the scoring before the season starts.

 

[Doug B]

it is not stated under special teams rules. It IS however stated under Rushing rules and Passing rules that TD points and 2 point conversion points are applied to:

QB, RB, WR, TE, Def/ST.

Was that part manually set up on the online league? Sounds like a set-up error, where Def/ST should have been removed here.RTS doesn't do it that way by default, does it?

 

[unckeyherb]

it is not stated under special teams rules. It IS however stated under Rushing rules and Passing rules that TD points and 2 point conversion points are applied to:

QB, RB, WR, TE, Def/ST.

Was that part manually set up on the online league? Sounds like a set-up error, where Def/ST should have been removed here.RTS doesn't do it that way by default, does it?

I don't know how it was initially set up. I've been in this league for about 8 years now, but I only took over commish duties this year. I am planning on switching it out at the end of the year. Till then, the scoring rules have to remain the same throughout the season. Thanks everyone.

 

[Please See Mine]

Guy in the league I commish is all up in arms about the Pitt game and their two 2pt conversions a she was going against Pitts Def/ST.

He is saying it shouldn't be points for them because it isn't the ST on the field, rather the offense. I am telling him that any PAT, whether an extra PT or a 2-point conversion is considered a ST play.

Can anyone tell me if a. I am right, and b. where to find this documented somewhere?

TIA

You have seriously been giving single points to the ST every time they make a PAT?

He proposed to enact the change going forward, but include his game.

Seems like a completely fair and unbiased proposal.