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Run DMC Injury More Serious Than Reported? (1 Viewer)
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with Bush out of town I think you could make a case for DMC at #1
need2know
Footballguy
could we make a new thread to dicuss DMC? as an owner of his last year this thread brings back too many bad memories. in summary this entire thread consists of 3 questions/discussions
will he play this week?
lis franc or no?
DMC is better than ____.
will he play this week?
lis franc or no?
DMC is better than ____.
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Shutout
Footballguy
How can you make a case for a guy being #1 when he has never completed a season? As good as a guy is, you just can't invest your top pick like that. If Aarond Rodgers had missed multiple games every year, we wouldn't disclaim the talent, but you simply couldn't take him over a brees or Brady or another guy that hasn't missed time. Maybe a better comparison is Matthew Stafford. He LIT IT UP last year, but would you take him over Brady ? I know the answer is that some would, but the question is designed to make you think of just how much you are putting all your eggs in one basket with that 1st pick.
Shutout
Footballguy
IMO, goodson will be overdrafted and Taiwan will be under drafted.Reggie McKenzie did a spot today on Sirius and I think its clear how he sees this working this year with DMAC. He is very conscious of workload and what it will take (in his opinion) to have DMAC available every week this year.I am looking forward to drafting goodson in the late rounds. The odds of dmc playing more than 10 games is slim. dude is made of glass. if you draft this guy early you will regret it. just my .02 cents
Read the post. It says assume that everyone is 100% and will stay that way. FosterDMCMcCoyRiceCharles (even though you didn't ask)ADPForteCJ2K
Shutout
Footballguy
What's the point of that? Shouldn't we be dealing with reality-based scenarios? That makes about as much sense as saying "let's assume that Bo Jackson steps out of a time machine and is 25 and signs a deal with the Lions...rank these guys..."Seems to me we should be using ALL the knowns and trends in making decisions, not playing pretend. the fact that someone feels the need to toss that disclaimer out there strongly suggests that it is a very critical piece of infromation to consider.
I don't see the problem. It's a list based about talent. Other than top 3 and CJ2K, all of those guys are injury prone or tore up their knee. Perfectly legit question.
matuski
Footballguy
If we were being realistic... haven't all but a couple of these guys had a history of injury? Speaking of known trends, I'd say of them all the most "realistic" would then be to ask when, not if any or all of these guys will be hurt.....'Shutout said:
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az_prof
Footballguy
I'll speak about the two players I have seen and watched the most: ADP and Rice. They are both warriors. They can play hurt. In fact, most of 2010 Rice was hurt, but he never missed a game. ADP has been hurt at one time or another too, but it was the ACL that finally put him on the sideline, a serious injury. What bothers me most about McFadden hasn't been that he got hurt; everyone gets hurt. It isn't even that he suffered a serious injury in the lis franc--although that is perhaps the most serious injury a back can have. It is that frequency that minor injuries seem to sideline him--he can't play through pain or something.If we were being realistic... haven't all but a couple of these guys had a history of injury? Speaking of known trends, I'd say of them all the most "realistic" would then be to ask when, not if any or all of these guys will be hurt.....'Shutout said:
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I also read that they were getting out of the zone blocking he had success with and going to a similar blocking scheme he had early in his carrier when he struggled. I will try to find the link....
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
All I have read is that they are moving towards a zone blocking scheme (like Denver of old and the Texans), not away from one.
You think a Lis Franc is worse than a torn ACL, or the terrible trio (ACL, MCL, meniscus)?I'll speak about the two players I have seen and watched the most: ADP and Rice. They are both warriors. They can play hurt. In fact, most of 2010 Rice was hurt, but he never missed a game. ADP has been hurt at one time or another too, but it was the ACL that finally put him on the sideline, a serious injury. What bothers me most about McFadden hasn't been that he got hurt; everyone gets hurt. It isn't even that he suffered a serious injury in the lis franc--although that is perhaps the most serious injury a back can have. It is that frequency that minor injuries seem to sideline him--he can't play through pain or something.If we were being realistic... haven't all but a couple of these guys had a history of injury? Speaking of known trends, I'd say of them all the most "realistic" would then be to ask when, not if any or all of these guys will be hurt.....'Shutout said:
squistion
Footballguy
So what? This was not a full lis franc. It was a sprain and he appears to be fully recovered. It did not require surgery.Are we supposed to downgrade him because of this? And if so, why? Are those who have lis franc sprains that do not require surgery more likely to resprain it or develop a full lis franc? Do you have some data or player examples of those of who had lis franc sprains like this and how it affected their subsequent career?
massraider
Footballguy
Which minor injury should he have played through?I'll speak about the two players I have seen and watched the most: ADP and Rice. They are both warriors. They can play hurt. In fact, most of 2010 Rice was hurt, but he never missed a game. ADP has been hurt at one time or another too, but it was the ACL that finally put him on the sideline, a serious injury. What bothers me most about McFadden hasn't been that he got hurt; everyone gets hurt. It isn't even that he suffered a serious injury in the lis franc--although that is perhaps the most serious injury a back can have. It is that frequency that minor injuries seem to sideline him--he can't play through pain or something.If we were being realistic... haven't all but a couple of these guys had a history of injury? Speaking of known trends, I'd say of them all the most "realistic" would then be to ask when, not if any or all of these guys will be hurt.....'Shutout said:
az_prof
Footballguy
Regarding ADP, you guys are missing the point. It isn't whether his serious knee injury is a more dangerous or less dangerous injury than a lis franc, or not. The point is that he has had a lot of minor injuries and played through them, and played effectively. That's why he is a great back. McFadden has not.
Just look at their careers carries. It may surprise people but ADP has only been in the league one more year than McFadden--they are pretty much peers. But...
In FOUR years in the NFL McFadden only has 553 carries and has only played 45 games.
In FIVE years in the NFL, ADP has 1406 carries and has played in 73 games
The question is--can you play hurt and can you play effectively when hurt?
Just look at their careers carries. It may surprise people but ADP has only been in the league one more year than McFadden--they are pretty much peers. But...
In FOUR years in the NFL McFadden only has 553 carries and has only played 45 games.
In FIVE years in the NFL, ADP has 1406 carries and has played in 73 games
The question is--can you play hurt and can you play effectively when hurt?
Shutout
Footballguy
Well, yes it was the sprain version they said, but the man hasn't played since October and the GM said yesterday in interview that they "think" he is healthy and 100% now. I'm not saying that it is atypical for him NOT to play since October with Lis Franc...far from it. Its normal. But its been 7 months and they still aren't sure. Lis Franc is a nasty animal. Anytime you get a condition named after a guy who was famous for partial foot amputations when people incurred these injuries, you know its big time. On most Lis Franc pages, there are often sections devoted to sports athletes with the condition and discussion about how significanlty it hinders flexibility and range of motion. So I guess what I'm driving at is that Lis Franc probably IS nastier than an ACL in today's world (to answer the quesiton above). So, overall, I would definitely extend a pass to DMAC on this one but AZ_Prof made a good point about how we just doesn't seem to play through the "little things" well. I don't think that is too uncommon when you have a player whose game is predicated on speed and burst. Thats hard to get back and keep. But to not play at all makes it hard to put him in a category with the guys that seem to duct tape parts back on and grind it out.'squistion said:
squistion
Footballguy
Which may have been due in large part because they had the luxury of Michael Bush as the backup, that they knew they could plug in and would do well (which he did) - and who also (according to the estimable Az_prof) was good enough to have cemented the starting job going into the 2010 season (according to Just Win Baby - I haven't bothered to vefify that, but it seems right that he said that among his other rants against DMC IIRC).
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massraider
Footballguy
Which of his injuries were minor, that he should have played through?'az_prof said:
az_prof
Footballguy
And also an undefined ankle injury.
Banemorth
Footballguy
I've never seen him go to court midseason
That's because he has a history of playing through juries. No one ever notices.I've never seen him go to court midseason
Banemorth
Footballguy
I heard that he never finishes a trial.That's because he has a history of playing through juries. No one ever notices.I've never seen him go to court midseason
didnt he play a lot of his last season at arky dinged up pretty bad?
i dunno, seems like a huge leap to think hes not tough enough to play through injuries when its impossible to know how bad the injury is. makes more sense to think he has a propensity for getting hurt that maybe other players dont have. could be luck, running style, body construction, anticipation, strength, whatever. dude has gotten hurt more than other studs have, that increases his risk at least a bit.
i dunno, seems like a huge leap to think hes not tough enough to play through injuries when its impossible to know how bad the injury is. makes more sense to think he has a propensity for getting hurt that maybe other players dont have. could be luck, running style, body construction, anticipation, strength, whatever. dude has gotten hurt more than other studs have, that increases his risk at least a bit.
