"Running up the score" (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

The Patriots aren't running up the score. They are playing football. This is running up the score.

December 17, 1989 - Cincinnati Bengals head coach Sam Wyche was known as an emotional, quotable and outspoken leader. A heated rivalry developed with the head coach of the Houston Oilers, Jerry Glanville. In an extremely unusual move for an NFL coach, Wyche grossly inflated the final score on Glanville's Oilers. Up 45-0 in the final period, Wyche called for a fourth down conversion attempt (which was successful), and an onside kick (also successful). The final score was 61-7, the last three points coming after Wyche called a timeout with just seconds remaining in the game in order to kick a field goal. After the game Wyche said his only regret was that Bengal kicker Lee Johnson missed an extra point. Sam also observed that that Glanville's Oilers were the dumbest, most undiciplined team he had ever seen.

The third-quarter play was executed perfectly. Lee Johnson sideswiped the kickoff and the football bounced downed the right sideline, where Ira Hillary snatched it before running out of bounds at the Houston Oilers' 34-yard line. Cincinnati Bengals ball. One more time. And the score before that onside kick was already Cincinnati 45, Houston 0.

And when the last of the 47,510 customers trickled gleefully out of Riverfront Stadium today, the final tally was Cincinnati 61, Houston 7.

Did Cincinnati rub it in and run up the score against their bitter rivals? You bet.

''I just don't like Jerry Glanville,'' Sam Wyche, the Bengals' coach, said of the Oilers' coach. Wyche chased Glanville for a word or two after this demolition. Glanville kept running for his team's exit, so Wyche simply stood and waved, and waved, and waved.

''I don't like phonies,'' Wyche continued, ''and I don't think Jerry is a very genuine guy. The cheap shots they tried after our quarterback was down, their big mouths. Jerry tries coming up and talking to me before the game and when the cameras start rolling he puts his arm around you and smiles behind those dark glasses. When your football team is so talented and yet so undisciplined, you got to be ready to get kicked and the score run up on you. And that's exactly what happened today.'' Whew! Play it again, Sam. ''I feel sorry for the Houston players having to put up with him,'' Wyche said. ''He can take that hit-the-beach stuff and take it back to high school or wherever he got it from. He's a joke.'' Wyche offered the words to match the onslaught, Cincinnati's largest margin of victory ever and Houston's worst loss and - doubly sweet for the Bengals - a victory that prevented Houston from clinching its first American Conference Central Division title.

This was a game of sheer retribution for the Bengals. The war of words and ill feelings between these teams built to a peak before the opening kickoff. Lewis Billups, a Bengals cornerback, had said the Oilers were scared because they were on the threshold of finally winning the division crown. Robert Lyles, a Houston linebacker, had said the Bengals were a sissy bunch.

''I saw defeat in their eyes,'' Billups said. ''When they couldn't do the things they wanted to do, they didn't quit, but they were just out of it.''

Out of it from their very first snap, which was low from center, bobbled by Warren Moon, kicked along the line and recovered by Cincinnati at the Houston 26. Three plays later, Boomer Esiason (20 of 27 passing for 326 yards and four touchdowns) zipped a pass to Eddie Brown that led to a 7-0 lead and the beginning of the massacre. Cincinnati led by 21-0 after one quarter, by 31-0 at halftime and by 52-0 after three quarters. The Bengals were throwing on first down all the while, converting fourth-down plays in the final quarter, and even kicking a field goal for their final points with 25 seconds left.

Glanville, the loose and blunt coach, was humble after this disaster.

''They played an excellent game and we have no alibis, no excuses,'' Glanville said.

Houston had won five of the last six in this series, but was outplayed in every area today. Cincinnati compiled a club-record 35 first downs. It had an overwhelming edge in plays (81-52), yardage (584-194), rushing yards (192-39) and possession time (40 minutes 41 seconds to 19:19).

 

[Steeler43]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

 

[butcher boy]

yeah, those are good examples too.

 

[mad sweeney]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

And Glanville didn't say anything different than what Gibbs said. I doubt either of them meant it.

 

[thehornet]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

 

[redman]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Explain.

 

[Steeler43]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry. Bellicheat is only doing it because he got caugth cheating and now is acting like a teenager.And you don't need to be calling names.

 

[thehornet]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Explain.

BB didnt say anything like that and he wasnt trying to stick it in Gibbs face. Going for it on 4th and inches doesnt equate to the situation above. You guys seriously need to give this crap up. It is so overblown and boring.

 

[amnesiac]

lol @ "running up the score"

imo, that only counts in college football when someone like Ohio State is playing Rice.

this is the NFL, shut up and play football.

 

[Raider Nation]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry.

To be fair, it was more of a "hatred" than a rivalry. Glanville got under Wyche's skin in a big way. Not that I'm defending his actions.

 

[butcher boy]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Explain.

BB didnt say anything like that and he wasnt trying to stick it in Gibbs face. Going for it on 4th and inches doesnt equate to the situation above. You guys seriously need to give this crap up. It is so overblown and boring.

So boring that you decided to reply to it I see. He isn't trying to stick it Gibbs face because he's trying to stick in in everyone's face. Like someone above mentioned, like a teenager.

 

[Statorama]

Hey, is this where we get to pump up the Patriots some more?

 

[thehornet]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry. Bellicheat is only doing it because he got caugth cheating and now is acting like a teenager.And you don't need to be calling names.

you really think he's doing this because he got caught video taping the defensive coordinator 7 weeks ago?!?!??? If you do then you are delusional. Dude: News flash, every coach in the NFL uses video cameras and watches plays. This has been said a million times. If you knew anything about football you would stop using the camera thing as a means to prove your silly arguments and petty jealousy.

 

[Raider Nation]

Hey, is this where we get to pump up the Patriots some more?

Just trying to meet the quota for the day, GB.

 

[Statorama]

Hey, is this where we get to pump up the Patriots some more?

Just trying to meet the quota for the day, GB.

Don't get me wrong, I dig it. I haven't had as much fun in the Shark Pool in a long time.

 

[mrspree15]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry.

To be fair, it was more of a "hatred" than a rivalry. Glanville got under Wyche's skin in a big way. Not that I'm defending his actions.

Yeah, I was watching the Top 10 Rivalries on NFL Network. Wyche and Glanville came in at like #5. Very entertaining

 

[Steeler43]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry. Bellicheat is only doing it because he got caugth cheating and now is acting like a teenager.And you don't need to be calling names.

you really think he's doing this because he got caught video taping the defensive coordinator 7 weeks ago?!?!??? If you do then you are delusional. Dude: News flash, every coach in the NFL uses video cameras and watches plays. This has been said a million times. If you knew anything about football you would stop using the camera thing as a means to prove your silly arguments and petty jealousy.

He's been cheating for YEARS, if you don't believe that you're so up Belicheat's ### you can't see reality. And yes he is doing it to prove he doesn't need to cheat to win, but then why cheat in the first place?And jealousy? No. I'm pissed that the NFL just swept thing under the rug to protect its integrity, but rooting for a team that has been cheating for 6 years is nothing to be jealous about.

 

[redman]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Explain.

BB didnt say anything like that and he wasnt trying to stick it in Gibbs face. Going for it on 4th and inches doesnt equate to the situation above. You guys seriously need to give this crap up. It is so overblown and boring.

Words don't score points, so it's the onfield conduct that counts here. Now, I seem to recall reading this in the OP:

45-0 in the final period, Wyche called for a fourth down conversion attempt (which was successful)

Sound familiar?I agree, Wyche's example is an extreme one, and Belichick has neither personalized this nor has has he coached a game with this many examples of blatantly running up the score. What's entertaining to me is that you can't admit that Belichick is doing this to everybody, which is in and of itself an unprecedented extreme example. Why can't you admit to it, "toolbox"?

 

[phthalatemagic]

thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste

 

[thehornet]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry. Bellicheat is only doing it because he got caugth cheating and now is acting like a teenager.And you don't need to be calling names.

you really think he's doing this because he got caught video taping the defensive coordinator 7 weeks ago?!?!??? If you do then you are delusional. Dude: News flash, every coach in the NFL uses video cameras and watches plays. This has been said a million times. If you knew anything about football you would stop using the camera thing as a means to prove your silly arguments and petty jealousy.

He's been cheating for YEARS, if you don't believe that you're so up Belicheat's ### you can't see reality. And yes he is doing it to prove he doesn't need to cheat to win, but then why cheat in the first place?And jealousy? No. I'm pissed that the NFL just swept thing under the rug to protect its integrity, but rooting for a team that has been cheating for 6 years is nothing to be jealous about.

Every team does the same thing. Damn, are you that naive to not understand this?? Have you ever played football?? This is what coaches do. NOT JUST BB

 

[Statorama]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Explain.

BB didnt say anything like that and he wasnt trying to stick it in Gibbs face. Going for it on 4th and inches doesnt equate to the situation above. You guys seriously need to give this crap up. It is so overblown and boring.

Words don't score points, so it's the onfield conduct that counts here. Now, I seem to recall reading this in the OP:

45-0 in the final period, Wyche called for a fourth down conversion attempt (which was successful)

Sound familiar?I agree, Wyche's example is an extreme one, and Belichick has neither personalized this nor has has he coached a game with this many examples of blatantly running up the score. What's entertaining to me is that you can't admit that Belichick is doing this to everybody, which is in and of itself an unprecedented extreme example. Why can't you admit to it, "toolbox"?

Nice counter-punch Red.

 

[timschochet]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.

I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry. Bellicheat is only doing it because he got caugth cheating and now is acting like a teenager.And you don't need to be calling names.

Am I the only one who laughed uproariously at this post?!

 

[thehornet]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

that's exactly my point. Pats fans defend the team because the backlash is unbearable. As soon as anyone says anything defending the Pats they get labeled by posts above like this: phthalatemagic: "thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste"

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Yeah, I was watching the Top 10 Rivalries on NFL Network. Wyche and Glanville came in at like #5. Very entertaining

What was #1? Lemme guess: the offensive unit vs the defensive unit on any Buddy ryan-coached team?And speaking of Buddy Ryan (yes, I set up my own segue), wasn't he also accused of running up the score against Landry's Cowboys in 87 when Ryan called a timeout before the end of the game to set up a touchdown when the game was well put away by the Eagles?

If I recall correctly, he said he did it in retribution for Landry running up the score against them during the players' strike earlier that year, when a lot of the Cowboys field personnel did not go on strike.

Bottom line is that running up the score on an opponent is neither new to the NFL, nor comes with a single motivation for doing it. But to call what the Patriots did in the last game anything but running up the score (as opposed to "playing football" or "pros doing what they are paid to do") seems a little willfully ignorant in the face of comparative historical evidence.

And regardless of why Belichick is running up the score -- whether it's personal vendetta against opposig teams, the NFL, or just because his talented players can -- it's still a rather unclassy thing to do.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Mods: Please don't kill this thread. It has serious comedy potential.

 

[butcher boy]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

Yup, I'm a Giants (baseball) fan and for years have had to deal with all the Bonds bashers. At first, I was a staunch defender of Bonds and sounded a lot like the Pats fans on this board do now. I allowed myself to ignore what was really going on because it's a great feeling seeing history be made by your team. Then, I slowly started to come the the realization that it just wasn't enjoyable seeing Bonds do all those amazing things while in a swarm of controversy. When he broke the record this past summer, I was very indifferent to it. I imagine this is going to be a very similar situation for some Pats fans.

 

[timschochet]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

that's exactly my point. Pats fans defend the team because the backlash is unbearable. As soon as anyone says anything defending the Pats they get labeled by posts above like this: phthalatemagic: "thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste"

But Hornet, as unbearable as it is, the haters aren't the source of your problems; it's BB. He's taking what should be your greatest time as a football fan and spoiling it to prove some point. The haters wouldn't be unbearable without the ammo BB's giving them. As a Pats fan, you may have a bad taste in your mouth from this season for years to come.

 

[Statorama]

Mods: Please don't kill this thread. It has serious comedy potential.

 

[Chaka]

I guess the difference between Wyche and Belichick is that Wyche was honest about what he did.

 

[PatsWillWin]

bump.

 

[AnonymousBob]

bump.

 

[thehornet]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

that's exactly my point. Pats fans defend the team because the backlash is unbearable. As soon as anyone says anything defending the Pats they get labeled by posts above like this: phthalatemagic: "thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste"

But Hornet, as unbearable as it is, the haters aren't the source of your problems; it's BB. He's taking what should be your greatest time as a football fan and spoiling it to prove some point. The haters wouldn't be unbearable without the ammo BB's giving them. As a Pats fan, you may have a bad taste in your mouth from this season for years to come.

but to be honest, i don't really care if BB runs the score up. Ya, it may be unsportsmanlike and people may not like the fact that their team is being blown out, but this is the pros bro. I can understand the sentiment that people think it's classless, but this board has gotten completely out of control. Pats fans can't say anything without being snapped at or labeled as obnoxious and quite frankly it's starting to piss me off. And the cheating thing has got to stop because it is a fact that all coaches do what BB has done.

 

[switz]

Mods: Please don't kill this thread. It has serious comedy potential.

Please just ban 'thehornet.' Please.

 

[butcher boy]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

that's exactly my point. Pats fans defend the team because the backlash is unbearable. As soon as anyone says anything defending the Pats they get labeled by posts above like this: phthalatemagic: "thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste"

But Hornet, as unbearable as it is, the haters aren't the source of your problems; it's BB. He's taking what should be your greatest time as a football fan and spoiling it to prove some point. The haters wouldn't be unbearable without the ammo BB's giving them. As a Pats fan, you may have a bad taste in your mouth from this season for years to come.

And the cheating thing has got to stop because it is a fact that all coaches do what BB has done.

If I went into a Barry Bonds thread on some other message board and said that it doesn't matter if Bonds juiced because lots of other players are, what do you think the reponses would be?

 

[thehornet]

Mods: Please don't kill this thread. It has serious comedy potential.

Please just ban 'thehornet.' Please.

dont you have a Kenton Keith Thread to sabotage?

 

[thehornet]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

that's exactly my point. Pats fans defend the team because the backlash is unbearable. As soon as anyone says anything defending the Pats they get labeled by posts above like this: phthalatemagic: "thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste"

But Hornet, as unbearable as it is, the haters aren't the source of your problems; it's BB. He's taking what should be your greatest time as a football fan and spoiling it to prove some point. The haters wouldn't be unbearable without the ammo BB's giving them. As a Pats fan, you may have a bad taste in your mouth from this season for years to come.

And the cheating thing has got to stop because it is a fact that all coaches do what BB has done.

If I went into a Barry Bonds thread on some other message board and said that it doesn't matter if Bonds juiced because lots of other players are, what do you think the reponses would be?

im referring to coaching staffs in the NFL and the monitoring of the opponent. Nothing more.

 

[Steeler43]

Not a big difference from what Bellicheat is doing.

toolbag. it's much different.

Oh yeah, the other guy did it because of a rivalry. Bellicheat is only doing it because he got caugth cheating and now is acting like a teenager.And you don't need to be calling names.

you really think he's doing this because he got caught video taping the defensive coordinator 7 weeks ago?!?!??? If you do then you are delusional. Dude: News flash, every coach in the NFL uses video cameras and watches plays. This has been said a million times. If you knew anything about football you would stop using the camera thing as a means to prove your silly arguments and petty jealousy.

He's been cheating for YEARS, if you don't believe that you're so up Belicheat's ### you can't see reality. And yes he is doing it to prove he doesn't need to cheat to win, but then why cheat in the first place?And jealousy? No. I'm pissed that the NFL just swept thing under the rug to protect its integrity, but rooting for a team that has been cheating for 6 years is nothing to be jealous about.

Every team does the same thing. Damn, are you that naive to not understand this?? Have you ever played football?? This is what coaches do. NOT JUST BB

The fact he takes things to another level is what got him busted.And yes I've played football and no we didn't do that BS, partly because we were just teenagers, partly because our coaches were not doushebags.

 

[bostonfred]

rooting for a team that has been cheating for 6 years is nothing to be jealous about.

I was thinking about this while watching the Red Sox victory parade today. I was trying to decide where it ranked in the list of victory parades I've attended for the five different championships I've watched my teams get in the last six years, when a great sadness came over me. I was thinking, this would be so much nicer if I knew that Steeler43 was jealous. I can't deal with that. It upsets me that he really and truly hates the Patriots - not because they've knocked his Steelers out of the playoffs so many times, or broken up their 15-1 season, or exposed Kordell as the sham of a quarterback he - but because he just found out they cheated this year. It hurts to know that he probably didn't hate the Patriots or say anything bad about them until this year, because it's the cheating that bothers him. That's what hurts. And I was thinking about how, if the Patriots give us a sixth championship in six years, as most people are predicting, I probably wouldn't enjoy that as much, either, unless I knew that Steeler43 was enjoying it, too.

 

[butcher boy]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

that's exactly my point. Pats fans defend the team because the backlash is unbearable. As soon as anyone says anything defending the Pats they get labeled by posts above like this: phthalatemagic: "thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste"

But Hornet, as unbearable as it is, the haters aren't the source of your problems; it's BB. He's taking what should be your greatest time as a football fan and spoiling it to prove some point. The haters wouldn't be unbearable without the ammo BB's giving them. As a Pats fan, you may have a bad taste in your mouth from this season for years to come.

And the cheating thing has got to stop because it is a fact that all coaches do what BB has done.

If I went into a Barry Bonds thread on some other message board and said that it doesn't matter if Bonds juiced because lots of other players are, what do you think the reponses would be?

im referring to coaching staffs in the NFL and the monitoring of the opponent. Nothing more.

It's still considered cheating, and you are justifying it by saying everyone else is doing it. Unless you are arguing that it wasn't cheating??

 

[Steeler43]

rooting for a team that has been cheating for 6 years is nothing to be jealous about.

I was thinking about this while watching the Red Sox victory parade today. I was trying to decide where it ranked in the list of victory parades I've attended for the five different championships I've watched my teams get in the last six years, when a great sadness came over me. I was thinking, this would be so much nicer if I knew that Steeler43 was jealous. I can't deal with that. It upsets me that he really and truly hates the Patriots - not because they've knocked his Steelers out of the playoffs so many times, or broken up their 15-1 season, or exposed Kordell as the sham of a quarterback he - but because he just found out they cheated this year. It hurts to know that he probably didn't hate the Patriots or say anything bad about them until this year, because it's the cheating that bothers him. That's what hurts. And I was thinking about how, if the Patriots give us a sixth championship in six years, as most people are predicting, I probably wouldn't enjoy that as much, either, unless I knew that Steeler43 was enjoying it, too.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I think the most interesting thing about that article is that Sam Wyche actually called someone else a joke with what I assume was a straight face.

 

[thehornet]

When Pittsburgh won the SB two years ago, I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to. Why? Because for months afterwards I had to defend the referee calls in the SB, and I had to listen to guys like Colin Cowherd declare the Steelers weren't really champions, etc. What should have been a time of great joy as a Steeler fan left a bad taste in my mouth- it didn't matter that I thought they won cleanly- the refs controversy kept them from getting the credit they justly deserved.I have a feeling the same thing will happen to the Pats fans this year. Suppose NE does go 16-0 and crushes everyone in their path and runs up the score on purpose to show everybody up? Will this be good for the NFL? And do you think that Pats fans will truly enjoy it, given the level of criticism they'll receive and the actions they feel forced to defend? I doubt it.

that's exactly my point. Pats fans defend the team because the backlash is unbearable. As soon as anyone says anything defending the Pats they get labeled by posts above like this: phthalatemagic: "thehornet = perpetuator of toxic waste"

But Hornet, as unbearable as it is, the haters aren't the source of your problems; it's BB. He's taking what should be your greatest time as a football fan and spoiling it to prove some point. The haters wouldn't be unbearable without the ammo BB's giving them. As a Pats fan, you may have a bad taste in your mouth from this season for years to come.

And the cheating thing has got to stop because it is a fact that all coaches do what BB has done.

If I went into a Barry Bonds thread on some other message board and said that it doesn't matter if Bonds juiced because lots of other players are, what do you think the reponses would be?

im referring to coaching staffs in the NFL and the monitoring of the opponent. Nothing more.

It's still considered cheating, and you are justifying it by saying everyone else is doing it. Unless you are arguing that it wasn't cheating??

no, i think it was clearly against the rules. However, this type of thing has been a part of the NFL for a long time. It's almost liek an unspoken rule. I don't want this to be construed as me saying a support what BB did because i do not. But the whole thing has gotten completelly out of control.

 

[unckeyherb]

I don't really care either way, I don't like the Pats, nor do I care about them "running up the score". But I believe that in the NFL rules, one of the late tie-breakers to win a division, (after divisional record, head to head etc.) is actually most points scored. That should justify it right there.

Quit crying.

 

[Statorama]

I think the most interesting thing about that article is that Sam Wyche actually called someone else a joke with what I assume was a straight face.

"YOU'RE NOT FROM CLEVELAND"

 

[butcher boy]

I don't really care either way, I don't like the Pats, nor do I care about them "running up the score". But I believe that in the NFL rules, one of the late tie-breakers to win a division, (after divisional record, head to head etc.) is actually most points scored. That should justify it right there. Quit crying.

Yeah I'm sure that division is going to come down to that.

 

[duece2626]

It's almost like an unspoken rule.

Exactly. Kinda like the "unspoken rule" that you don't run up the score on your opponents to try and humilate/deface them.

 

[duece2626]

I don't really care either way, I don't like the Pats, nor do I care about them "running up the score". But I believe that in the NFL rules, one of the late tie-breakers to win a division, (after divisional record, head to head etc.) is actually most points scored. That should justify it right there. Quit crying.

LMFAO @ any team coming anywhere close to being tied with NE in the AFC East. Nice try though.

 

[timschochet]

I don't really care either way, I don't like the Pats, nor do I care about them "running up the score". But I believe that in the NFL rules, one of the late tie-breakers to win a division, (after divisional record, head to head etc.) is actually most points scored. That should justify it right there. Quit crying.

LMFAO @ any team coming anywhere close to being tied with NE in the AFC East. Nice try though.

"After losing their last eight games and ending up with an 8-8 record, the New England Patriots won the AFC East division, just barely edging out the Buffalo Bills due to a scoring tie breaker."You see?" Coach Bellichick was heard to remark. "I told you that's why we had to score all of those extra points! Why, we might not be in the playoffs right now!"

 

[duece2626]

I don't really care either way, I don't like the Pats, nor do I care about them "running up the score". But I believe that in the NFL rules, one of the late tie-breakers to win a division, (after divisional record, head to head etc.) is actually most points scored. That should justify it right there. Quit crying.

LMFAO @ any team coming anywhere close to being tied with NE in the AFC East. Nice try though.

"After losing their last eight games and ending up with an 8-8 record, the New England Patriots won the AFC East division, just barely edging out the Buffalo Bills due to a scoring tie breaker."You see?" Coach Bellichick was heard to remark. "I told you that's why we had to score all of those extra points! Why, we might not be in the playoffs right now!"

Stupid