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According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, word is the fracture of Ryan Mathews' collarbone is "not so bad."

The Chargers internally expect Mathews to miss the season opener, but they anticipate he'll "return and be fine with no further complications" once his rehab from Friday's surgery is complete.
We seem to disagree with our perceived chances of Mathews having a relatively full and productive season.But thanks for the good objective quotes/info.

As you said It isnt fun to watch football holding your breather and praying that they get up healthy after each carry........

Until they do.

It's a risk no doubt. Some of us are just more willing to take it. Which again, is part of the fun of the game.
I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with anything. I'm just posting tweets that I think are pertinent.
Matthews will get hurt again when he comes back..I haven't taken him once all year and just could not get passed his 4-5 ADP...but i have a strong feeling this is DMF year to stay relatively healthy and have his bust out year...im taking him every chance i get after pick 3! Its more or less his contract year as im sure he'll be looking for an extension soon and a big year on the field will go a huge way and getting that. Im just thinking he'll play through any injuries he possibly can this year looking for his break out year so he cash in on it. He can be the #1 RB if he could just play 15 games give or take one! If he does do that hell have multiple as in 6/7 Tds over 40 plus yards alone. He is explosive as RBs come...this is his last year to break the injury label and if he doesn't i wont be the only person done with him his banker and agent might be also!
 
'GDogg said:
'cstu said:
When Dr. Neil Ghodadra sat down with "NFL Fantasy LIVE" this week, a healthy dose of doom and gloom was dumped upon the viewing public.Addressing Ryan Mathews' return from a broken clavicle, the former team doctor for the Chicago White Sox and Bulls suggested we might not see the San Diego Chargers running back until October. Mathews had talked about returning prior to the regular-season, so what gives?"It takes six weeks for the bone to heal," Ghodadra said. "Even after you fix it with the clavicle plate and screws, the bone still has to heal, so you are looking at six weeks for that at minimum. Studies have shown 8.8 weeks is how long it takes for NFL players to get back from clavicle fractures."
I'm hoping he comes back earlier, but I'm expecting him to come back week 8 (Oct. 28) after the bye.
Why do you think he's going to be out 11+ weeks?
Because it takes 12 weeks for a collarbone to fully heal and they have a bye in week 7. If he comes back week 6 that would be 9 weeks since the injury but I'm not sure it's worth the risk of re-injury if the other RB's are getting the job done.
 
When Dr. Neil Ghodadra sat down with "NFL Fantasy LIVE" this week, a healthy dose of doom and gloom was dumped upon the viewing public.Addressing Ryan Mathews' return from a broken clavicle, the former team doctor for the Chicago White Sox and Bulls suggested we might not see the San Diego Chargers running back until October. Mathews had talked about returning prior to the regular-season, so what gives?"It takes six weeks for the bone to heal," Ghodadra said. "Even after you fix it with the clavicle plate and screws, the bone still has to heal, so you are looking at six weeks for that at minimum. Studies have shown 8.8 weeks is how long it takes for NFL players to get back from clavicle fractures."
Someone should ask Dr. Ghodara how Colston came back after just two weeks when " Studies have shown 8.8 weeks is how long it takes for NFL players to get back from clavicle fractures." Seems like either the "studies" are wrong, or Colston is just a superhuman healing freak.
 
When Dr. Neil Ghodadra sat down with "NFL Fantasy LIVE" this week, a healthy dose of doom and gloom was dumped upon the viewing public.

Addressing Ryan Mathews' return from a broken clavicle, the former team doctor for the Chicago White Sox and Bulls suggested we might not see the San Diego Chargers running back until October. Mathews had talked about returning prior to the regular-season, so what gives?

"It takes six weeks for the bone to heal," Ghodadra said. "Even after you fix it with the clavicle plate and screws, the bone still has to heal, so you are looking at six weeks for that at minimum. Studies have shown 8.8 weeks is how long it takes for NFL players to get back from clavicle fractures."
I'm hoping he comes back earlier, but I'm expecting him to come back week 8 (Oct. 28) after the bye.
Why do you think he's going to be out 11+ weeks?
Because it takes 12 weeks for a collarbone to fully heal and they have a bye in week 7. If he comes back week 6 that would be 9 weeks since the injury but I'm not sure it's worth the risk of re-injury if the other RB's are getting the job done.
Where did you hear that? Even the doctor on NFL live (bolded above) says it takes 6 weeks (half the time you're indicating) for a collarbone to heal.
 
When Dr. Neil Ghodadra sat down with "NFL Fantasy LIVE" this week, a healthy dose of doom and gloom was dumped upon the viewing public.

Addressing Ryan Mathews' return from a broken clavicle, the former team doctor for the Chicago White Sox and Bulls suggested we might not see the San Diego Chargers running back until October. Mathews had talked about returning prior to the regular-season, so what gives?

"It takes six weeks for the bone to heal," Ghodadra said. "Even after you fix it with the clavicle plate and screws, the bone still has to heal, so you are looking at six weeks for that at minimum. Studies have shown 8.8 weeks is how long it takes for NFL players to get back from clavicle fractures."
I'm hoping he comes back earlier, but I'm expecting him to come back week 8 (Oct. 28) after the bye.
Why do you think he's going to be out 11+ weeks?
Because it takes 12 weeks for a collarbone to fully heal and they have a bye in week 7. If he comes back week 6 that would be 9 weeks since the injury but I'm not sure it's worth the risk of re-injury if the other RB's are getting the job done.
Where did you hear that? Even the doctor on NFL live (bolded above) says it takes 6 weeks (half the time you're indicating) for a collarbone to heal.
He just made it up to stir the pot. Seems to be a lot of that going on around here nowadays.
 
WHY??? Do you have a reason for this, or is it as simple as "He has gotten hurt before, so I assume he will again?"
* pre-existing pattern of games played in prior years (ie historical)? - empirical data
Instinctive's question was whether there's evidence to support the notion that players with more extensive injury histories are a greater injury risk going forward than players with less extensive injury histories.It's a reasonable assumption that they are, but until somebody makes an attempt to evaluate the evidence, it's only an assumption.

Fortunately, somebody has made an attempt. It was a while ago, and it could perhaps use some updating, but it's the best attempt that I know of:

Link.
Thank you.And, for the record, I am certainly going a little over the top here to prove a point.
So is McFadden getting injured again, and my choosing to look at this incident, simply my confirmation bias at work? Or is it indicative, that certain players, due to "* pre-existing pattern of games played in prior years (ie historical)? - empirical data

* running style and body type don't seem "compact, durable" - subjective view

* gut feel - hey intuition"

Are seen as more likely to re-injure?

I can take a different example, the running QB. Vick-Locker-RG3-Tebow-Cam Newton.

If I were to apply the criteria of "pre-existing pattern" it would seem to indicate Vick has the most track record in that regards.

Style and frame would seem to indicate Vick and RG3 are risks here.

Gut feel - indicates Vick.

On the other hand, not sure if it's just proving that an older player is a higher injury risk, due to decline in ability or injury re-occurrence/re-aggravation. Which isn't really proving players are injury prone, only that older players might be more injury prone or less likely to recover from injury.

Indicating a player as "injury-prone" seems to be a post mortem statement as well, though pre-rookie draft, did have an aversion to Jahvid Best vs Spiller or Mathews in rookie drafts. Though Mathews is gaining his own reputation perhaps.

So not sure how to normalize the data to arrive at an empirical view point on injury proneness, but I do want to suggest it does exist at least at a perception level in regards to certain players.

Probably the correct answer is to have a contingency plan for **EVERYBODY** as every player is an injury risk, I just know from a probability or perception level, which players I'll be more apt to trust less. I'll be more apt to perceive or have less trust, in a player with injury history, perceived fragile build, or what my gut feeling tells me. On the other hand, this could lead to value, if a player is falling due to a fluke injury, and not one perceived to re-occur.

Actually now that I stop to think about it, the NFL is only really predictable looking backwards and at that, we can twist and turn the narrative to suit whatever pre-conceived notion one set out looking for in the 1st place.

So definitely food for thought... I stand by my perception of McFadden as an injury prone back, whether or not empirically he is part of a larger subset of players or not.

 

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