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Sabathia a Brewer (1 Viewer)
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Tony Jabroni
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Local radio states Laporta + 2 minor leaguers.
Tony Jabroni
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Knightro
Footballguy
Hell yes - and he didn't end up in Boston.Rays' chances of making the playoffs just went up a couple of points.Glad this guy's out of the AL.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Not a team you want to run into in a short series.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Get the compinsation picks when he leaves via free agency makes it worth it.This is really a win now / benefit later deal.
Balco
Footballguy
Great move by Melvin. He will get two first rounders when Sabathia leaves. Laporta is going to be a solid player, but they have Gamel. I really like this deal for the Brewers. It is an expensive rental, but their farm system depth allows them to make the move.
Pipes
Footballguy
The Brewers haven't been into the playoffs in over 25 years and have played for the future forever. They were on the edge before this trade now they should be sitting pretty for at least a wildcard. Plus LaPorta is a corner OF or 1B and with Braun and Hart both being young and talented LaPorta probably would have been switched back to 1B at the major league level. Prince will be around at least 2 more years so I'm not sure where LaPorta would've played in the immediate future.Plus why can't the Brewers win the NL...they are only a couple of games behind the Cubbies?
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Tecumseh
Footballguy
Just to be clear, here: The Indians traded their left handed Cy Young winning ace because they didn't want to give him a 6 or 7 year deal. Additionally, they traded him for a top hitting prospect who projects to be a DH in the American League because his glove stinks. This just a year after signing their own DH to a $57M, 4 year deal. Right?
Someone please convince me that this was good for the Tribe.
Someone please convince me that this was good for the Tribe.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I like the trade for both teams and hope CC stays in the NL.
deep vacuum
Footballguy
I haven't been this happy as a Brewer fan since forever. 
Capella
Footballguy
I don't have a problem with them going for it, I just think they paid way too high of a price.
The draft choices will be in the 30s...unlikely to garner a LaPorta-esque prospect.
Also, there was a very good article on ESPN the other day (by Stark?) detailing how these trades very, very rarely work out.
The draft choices will be in the 30s...unlikely to garner a LaPorta-esque prospect.
Also, there was a very good article on ESPN the other day (by Stark?) detailing how these trades very, very rarely work out.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Gamel is worse defensively from what I've read, even on this board. Can you point me to something that says LaPorta is a defensive hack? Garko was considered a hack in the field and he's not been a liability at 1B. The Tribe took the best prospect offered to them and ran with it. LaPorta can help them alot sooner than the draft picks the Brewers will get. Looking back at the Colon deal, Phillips was the prize that we miserably mishandled (I'm looking at you, Wedge!). It will be interesting to see who these A-ball prospects are that we are pulling in here. They most likely won't turn out to be All Stars like Grady and Lee, but we definitely needed to add more depth to our system.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
LINK
Jackson, Bryson included in trade
By Tom Haudricourt
Sunday, Jul 6 2008, 09:19 PM
A source familiar with the Brewers' trade for Cleveland lefty C.C. Sabathia just told me that the other players going to the Indians with Matt LaPorta are minor-league pitchers Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson and a fourth player, perhaps minor-league third baseman Taylor Green.
The fourth player currently is listed as "to be named later" but it is believed the Indians want to look more at Green, with the idea of moving him to second base.
Jackson, who was up briefly with the Brewers this season, is 1-5 with a 7.85 ERA at Class AAA Nashville in 22 appearances (six starts).
Bryson is pitching at Class A West Virginia, where he is 3-2 with a 4.25 ERA in 22 outings (five starts).
If Green indeed is the fourth player, he is batting .298 with 10 homers and 54 RBI at Class A Brevard County.
Jackson, Bryson included in trade
By Tom Haudricourt
Sunday, Jul 6 2008, 09:19 PM
A source familiar with the Brewers' trade for Cleveland lefty C.C. Sabathia just told me that the other players going to the Indians with Matt LaPorta are minor-league pitchers Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson and a fourth player, perhaps minor-league third baseman Taylor Green.
The fourth player currently is listed as "to be named later" but it is believed the Indians want to look more at Green, with the idea of moving him to second base.
Jackson, who was up briefly with the Brewers this season, is 1-5 with a 7.85 ERA at Class AAA Nashville in 22 appearances (six starts).
Bryson is pitching at Class A West Virginia, where he is 3-2 with a 4.25 ERA in 22 outings (five starts).
If Green indeed is the fourth player, he is batting .298 with 10 homers and 54 RBI at Class A Brevard County.
TruckBoatTruck
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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
not much of a haul for CC but better than 2 draft picks I guess.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yeah I read those too. I'll try to hunt down some scouts views. It will be interesting to see what happens though.Would be nice if we get Green as the ptbnl. Not sure why they want to look at him more....3b or 2b, who cares? Unless Brantley is available if the Tribe thinks Green would be too much of a project at 2B, then this all makes sense.
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Bobcat10
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http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/07/t...ading_saba.html
I read the Dodgers deal focused on Kemp, but also know they are in the market for a SS. Not sure if they tried to get Peralta or plan on moving Kemp for a SS (not sure there will be many SS available worth dealing Kemp for).
Tecumseh
Footballguy
I think I would have liked the Phillies deal more, if for no other reason than to have The Great Bastardo in the organization.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Anyone have a fantasy take on this? Surely, Sabathia gets more run support as a Brewer. And NL hitters will be less familiar with his stuff.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
He's something like 7-1 career against the NL Central in inter-league play. Only team to beat him was the Cubs who rocked him as his ERA is something like 32.50 against them.In saying that, Outside of Wins, I'm not sure how he gets better then he's been over the last 2 months. If he does, it's going to be scary.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Sure, I would have liked the Cubs to have signed him. Apparently the Cubs will "settle" for going after Harden from the A's - I say "settle" because in almost every career stat, Harden is better than CC.Besides, CC + Sheets is a deadly combo to be sure - until Sheets ends up on the DL...again. Sheets hasn't started more than 24 games in 5 years. He's 30 now - and he's already started 17 - about 7 more to go before he breaks down again.
Cubs fans in full panic?
The Cubs just took 2 out of 3 from the Cardinals in St. Louis (and were a blown save away from sweeping), still have the best record in the NL and are looking like they're finally getting healthy after having Soriano, Zambrano, R. Johnson and Scott Eyre out for the last couple weeks - and still maintaining their lead in the NL Central despite injuries to their ace and arguably one of the best offensive players at the same time (Soriano - I mean I like R. Johnson and all, but...)The Cubs will probably face them both in the July series, but I'd be very suprised if both are still in the Brewer rotation by the 6 games in September - I'd also be shocked if the Cubs still "only" had Zambrano and Dempster at the top of their rotation by then.
Full panic? No. A little disappointed that Jim Hendry didn't pull this off himself? Sure. Looking forward to a fun rest of the season because at least one team in the NL Central is trying to make it interesting for the Cubs.
trader jake
Footballguy
Still in denial here, huh?
Besides, CC + Sheets is a deadly combo to be sure - until Sheets ends up on the DL...again. Sheets hasn't started more than 24 games in 5 years. He's 30 now - and he's already started 17 - about 7 more to go before he breaks down again.
Cubs fans in full panic?
The Cubs will probably face them both in the July series, but I'd be very suprised if both are still in the Brewer rotation by the 6 games in September - I'd also be shocked if the Cubs still "only" had Zambrano and Dempster at the top of their rotation by then.
Full panic? No. A little disappointed that Jim Hendry didn't pull this off himself? Sure. Looking forward to a fun rest of the season because at least one team in the NL Central is trying to make it interesting for the Cubs.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Perhaps you overlooked the one called "Cy Youngs" CC - 1 Harden - 0.You'd take Harden over Sabathia? I call you
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Looking forward to a fun rest of the season because at least one team in the NL Central is trying to make it interesting for the Cubs.
You talk like the Cubs own the Central or something. That division is still up for grabs, and while the Cubs are in first place right now, any of the top 3 teams could very well end up winning the division, so implying that this trade means that the Brewers are the one team that might be able to scare the Cubs is absurd.
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Bobcat10
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Who wins the injury stat?IMO, the Cubs are going to be wannabee buyers this year. They don't have what other teams can offer. They're going to get a few guys nobody else wants or make a few minor deadline deals when the bigger names are gone.Perhaps you overlooked the one called "Cy Youngs" CC - 1 Harden - 0.You'd take Harden over Sabathia? I call you
Knightro
Footballguy
Sabathia will kill the Reds each time out. They are lefty laden.Houston will be ugly too because it turns Berkman to his weaker side and only 3/8ths of that lineup can hit anyhow.Sabathia should win 8-10 from here out. The Brewer defense still sucks big time, and the pen isn't great, so 10 will be a reach because I'm sure one of those two parties will blow a couple starts for him.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Glad this guy's out of the AL.
Widbil83
Footballguy
I've heard that also, but why would the A's trade Harden when there team is still right in this thing?DoubleG said:
SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
because hes healthy and someone wants him.I've heard that also, but why would the A's trade Harden when there team is still right in this thing?DoubleG said:
DoubleG
Footballguy
Well let's look at it shall we?How about the Cardinals? Well, the Cubs have played them 6 times and split 3-3. All 6 games were in St. Louis. The Cardinals have won against Hill (who is now in the minors) and Marquis (who is arguably the worst starter on the Cubs) - the 3rd victory was this weekend when Wood blew an easy save. The Cubs and Cards have 9 games left head-to-head, 6 of which are at Wrigley. Many Cardinals are on pace to have career offensive years, including Ludwig, Molina, Miles and even Pujols. Yes, if all those Cardinal hitters can all have career years, it may be possible for the Cardinals to chase down the Cubs. Many of the Cardinal pitchers are also playing well over their collective heads - including Lohse (whose had only 2 winning seasons in his career and never finished with an ERA < 4) and Todd Wellenmeyer, who is already starting to come back to earth - his ERA climbing a point in the last month. Closer is also a major issue for the Cardinals. The Cardinals have been impressive to this point, but again, they are playiing way over the heads and will likely (and most experts agree) fade in the second half - especially with more road games and a tougher second half schedule. In the past two weeks, the Cubs have been without Zambrano and A. Soriano, yet over that time the Cardinals have been unable to even pick up a single game in the standings. Starting tommorrow night, the Cubs have 3 more games at home than on the road the rest of the season. Offensively, almost every Cub player is either at or below their typical numbers. As an example, Ramirez has a .498 SL% - he's never had one under .500 since 2004 since becoming a full time Cub - Soriano is on pace to hit only 30 HRs - which would be his least since 2004. The only pitcher for the Cubs who seems to pitching above his head is Dempster - but then again, he's been a closer for the past several years, so it's difficult to project his numbers.Everyone else in the division is 10.5 games back or more - and again, could not close the gap with the Cubs during a period when they were missing their ace pitcher and their best offensive weapon, as well as several other players. That leaves the Brewers - whom I've already stated, are the one team that can make it interesting...assuming Sheets can stay healthy. If Sheets goes down again, then getting CC Sabathia but losing Sheets is basically a wash in terms of being able to send a stud to the mound every 5th day. All of the above also assumes that the Cubs don't add anyone prior to the trade deadline, which most people believe they have every intention of doing.Ghost Rider said:DoubleG said:Looking forward to a fun rest of the season because at least one team in the NL Central is trying to make it interesting for the Cubs.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I've heard that also, but why would the A's trade Harden when there team is still right in this thing?DoubleG said:
In what? They're 6 games back, dropped 6 of their last 10 and haven't won a series against an AL team since the Tigers a month ago.Wild card - they're going to catch Boston or Minnesota? or not going to get caught by the Yankees?
Sorry - but the A's aren't exactly in the thick of things. Yes, they've had a decent first half, but they look more like a team that will be selling rather than buying come the end of July - especially as they have to face the Yankees, Rays and Angels before the deadline.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Wellemeyer hasn't been the same since coming back from his injury; that is why his ERA has been climbing. And the Cardinals are without Wainwright, their number 1 starter right now, not to mention Chris Carpenter, who is eating up a lot of the salary cap, but feel free to not mention those factors, while pointing out every little injury the Cubs have. And I guess not having Pujols for a few weeks was no big deal, either, right? Have the Cardinals overachieved this year? Absolutely, but when you are playing .556 ball through 90 games, that is not a fluke. That means you are a good team. And there is no reason the Cardinals cannot continue to keep doing well. But many are already counting them out in light of the Sabathia trade, so I guess you might as well do the same. No one gave them a chance coming into the season, and they are only 3 1/2 games behind the team many have called the best or 2nd best team for most of the season, so you will forgive me if I think they are better than you and many others think they are.Well let's look at it shall we?How about the Cardinals? Well, the Cubs have played them 6 times and split 3-3. All 6 games were in St. Louis. The Cardinals have won against Hill (who is now in the minors) and Marquis (who is arguably the worst starter on the Cubs) - the 3rd victory was this weekend when Wood blew an easy save. The Cubs and Cards have 9 games left head-to-head, 6 of which are at Wrigley. Many Cardinals are on pace to have career offensive years, including Ludwig, Molina, Miles and even Pujols. Yes, if all those Cardinal hitters can all have career years, it may be possible for the Cardinals to chase down the Cubs. Many of the Cardinal pitchers are also playing well over their collective heads - including Lohse (whose had only 2 winning seasons in his career and never finished with an ERA < 4) and Todd Wellenmeyer, who is already starting to come back to earth - his ERA climbing a point in the last month. Closer is also a major issue for the Cardinals. The Cardinals have been impressive to this point, but again, they are playiing way over the heads and will likely (and most experts agree) fade in the second half - especially with more road games and a tougher second half schedule. In the past two weeks, the Cubs have been without Zambrano and A. Soriano, yet over that time the Cardinals have been unable to even pick up a single game in the standings. Starting tommorrow night, the Cubs have 3 more games at home than on the road the rest of the season. Offensively, almost every Cub player is either at or below their typical numbers. As an example, Ramirez has a .498 SL% - he's never had one under .500 since 2004 since becoming a full time Cub - Soriano is on pace to hit only 30 HRs - which would be his least since 2004. The only pitcher for the Cubs who seems to pitching above his head is Dempster - but then again, he's been a closer for the past several years, so it's difficult to project his numbers.Everyone else in the division is 10.5 games back or more - and again, could not close the gap with the Cubs during a period when they were missing their ace pitcher and their best offensive weapon, as well as several other players. That leaves the Brewers - whom I've already stated, are the one team that can make it interesting...assuming Sheets can stay healthy. If Sheets goes down again, then getting CC Sabathia but losing Sheets is basically a wash in terms of being able to send a stud to the mound every 5th day. All of the above also assumes that the Cubs don't add anyone prior to the trade deadline, which most people believe they have every intention of doing.Ghost Rider said:DoubleG said:Looking forward to a fun rest of the season because at least one team in the NL Central is trying to make it interesting for the Cubs.
Also, Pujols is NOT on pace to have a career year. His batting average is higher than usual, but his HRs and RBIs are down, and he hasn't been hitting as well with RISP. Yes, the Cardinals closer status is a major concern, as is the bullpen in general. Lastly, as for the supposed experts thinking they will fade in the second half, pretty much all of those so-called experts thought the Cardinals would be lucky to win a single game in the '06 Series. How did that turn out? 
Statorama
Footballguy
Don't forget that the Brewers get CC's bat in the lineup also!Those Cub/Brewer matchups are going to be playoff-atmosphere type baseball.
