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[prymetyme25]

Meacham making Cardinals 2nd-3rd string DB's look silly

I really hope he can do this against the 1's.ETA: My brother-in-law played ball with him back when they were in highschool and he told me that as long as he doesn't get his bell rung he is a STAR.

So, your bro-in-law played at Booker T Washington with Felix Jones and Meachem? That is a great sports program. It is hard to realize now why that team was not more dominant with Felix and Meachem.

Yeah. I was down there for Chrismas and I saw Felix's baby mother. (no offense but not impressive.) I think W. Ponder played there too. He was at the gym when we went to work out up there.ETA: The games between Booker T and Jenks are bananas if your in Tulsa during football season you should check it out.

The Union/Jenks games are better (i have no connection to any of the three schools)... but Booker T always puts out players. Off topic, but when I was a kid in Tulsa there were 7 guys I played basketball against that made it to the NBA. There are some great players that came out of BTW, which made it very impressive that Felix broke all of those records.

I dont know how old you are but I would guess it was Lee Mayberry or maybe Tim Brouix.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Meacham making Cardinals 2nd-3rd string DB's look silly

I really hope he can do this against the 1's.ETA: My brother-in-law played ball with him back when they were in highschool and he told me that as long as he doesn't get his bell rung he is a STAR.

So, your bro-in-law played at Booker T Washington with Felix Jones and Meachem? That is a great sports program. It is hard to realize now why that team was not more dominant with Felix and Meachem.

Yeah. I was down there for Chrismas and I saw Felix's baby mother. (no offense but not impressive.) I think W. Ponder played there too. He was at the gym when we went to work out up there.ETA: The games between Booker T and Jenks are bananas if your in Tulsa during football season you should check it out.

The Union/Jenks games are better (i have no connection to any of the three schools)... but Booker T always puts out players. Off topic, but when I was a kid in Tulsa there were 7 guys I played basketball against that made it to the NBA. There are some great players that came out of BTW, which made it very impressive that Felix broke all of those records.

I dont know how old you are but I would guess it was Lee Mayberry or maybe Tim Brouix.

Starks, Dumas, Houston, King, Pritchard, Brent Price, and one more I forget (getitng old). Dumas was the best but messed up in the head. He played on a great team at BTW with Jamal West, and a few others. The best guy in Tulsa in that era was Archie Marshall who blew his knee out in the tourney ... sad moment. Good guy, too.

 

[prymetyme25]

Meacham making Cardinals 2nd-3rd string DB's look silly

I really hope he can do this against the 1's.ETA: My brother-in-law played ball with him back when they were in highschool and he told me that as long as he doesn't get his bell rung he is a STAR.

So, your bro-in-law played at Booker T Washington with Felix Jones and Meachem? That is a great sports program. It is hard to realize now why that team was not more dominant with Felix and Meachem.

Yeah. I was down there for Chrismas and I saw Felix's baby mother. (no offense but not impressive.) I think W. Ponder played there too. He was at the gym when we went to work out up there.ETA: The games between Booker T and Jenks are bananas if your in Tulsa during football season you should check it out.

The Union/Jenks games are better (i have no connection to any of the three schools)... but Booker T always puts out players. Off topic, but when I was a kid in Tulsa there were 7 guys I played basketball against that made it to the NBA. There are some great players that came out of BTW, which made it very impressive that Felix broke all of those records.

I dont know how old you are but I would guess it was Lee Mayberry or maybe Tim Brouix.

Starks, Dumas, Houston, King, Pritchard, Brent Price, and one more I forget (getitng old). Dumas was the best but messed up in the head. He played on a great team at BTW with Jamal West, and a few others. The best guy in Tulsa in that era was Archie Marshall who blew his knee out in the tourney ... sad moment. Good guy, too.

Ahhh forgot when I said Tim I was thinking about Richard Dumas. I actually know him too. Good guy but had a bad drug problem. Guy just could handle the day to day pain of playing at the pro level. He told that he was in pain everyday of his life since he played. Alright I done Hijacking this thread

 

[valhallan]

Leinart looks like a serviceable QB, but he'll bring no real explosiveness to the offense. He still doesn't know how to utilize Fitzgerald. If the Cards are serious about making the playoffs this year, Warner is the guy. Unfortunately, it looks the Cards really want Leinart to be the guy.

I think you're on the money with this, but I'm having a hard time believing Warner won't get at least a chance to take over this season. And if he does, we can all have some fun

 

[Marc Levin]

Hightower era has begun

Panic in the streets with Edge owners.

Let's not go overboard.Hightower looked real good, but it's way too early to say he is a danger to steal touches from Edge.

I was most impressed with Brees, Leinart, Patten, Hightower and Meachum in this game - in that order.

Oh, and the Cards defense looked surprisingly good, albeit against old man Brunell and not as good against Brees.

You gotta think that Hightower will get alot of important carries. Since Edge's knee injury he has seem to take himself out of the game after good runs and inside the 20's. Last year not so some maybe but in Indy he did it alot.

Edge had 81% of the Cards' carries last year, didn't take himself out of any games, didn't suffer any injuries, and is now 100% hea;thy. Edge is infamous for taking the preseason off and letting other backs carry the load until the games mean something. Edge has missed exactly one game in the last 4 years. He has had 300+ carries every year since 2003. The only opportunity stat that has declined for Edge is his targets number.Edge won't be the one losing looks in this offense - Arrington and Shipp will be the ones who suffer if Hightower continues playing like this.

 

[Marc Levin]

Leinart looks like a serviceable QB, but he'll bring no real explosiveness to the offense. He still doesn't know how to utilize Fitzgerald. If the Cards are serious about making the playoffs this year, Warner is the guy. Unfortunately, it looks the Cards really want Leinart to be the guy.

I think you're on the money with this, but I'm having a hard time believing Warner won't get at least a chance to take over this season. And if he does, we can all have some fun

He will only get a chance to take over if Leinart loses games.in a town where a winning season is the goal, and in a division they could take at 9-7, I would not bank on Warner seeing much field time this year. At least not based on the performance I saw last night - Leinart did just enough to give his team a chance to score points without doing the things he did in '07 that caused them to lose games.

 

[BigRed]

He will only get a chance to take over if Leinart loses games.

in a town where a winning season is the goal, and in a division they could take at 9-7, I would not bank on Warner seeing much field time this year. At least not based on the performance I saw last night - Leinart did just enough to give his team a chance to score points without doing the things he did in '07 that caused them to lose games.

Then why would you start Leinert over Warner? A few sharp pre-season passes are nice, but Warner is the better QB.

PS I agree w/starting Leinert, but only because the future is NOT now for AZ. Cmon they'd be lucky to sniff a wild card. EJ is doing well given the OL and his age, but he's on borrowed time, and while I only saw highlights, got the impression it'd be nice if their D could learn to tackle also (eg Meacham's long TD run).

 

[Marc Levin]

He will only get a chance to take over if Leinart loses games.

in a town where a winning season is the goal, and in a division they could take at 9-7, I would not bank on Warner seeing much field time this year. At least not based on the performance I saw last night - Leinart did just enough to give his team a chance to score points without doing the things he did in '07 that caused them to lose games.

Then why would you start Leinert over Warner?

Simply put? They believe Leinart gives them a better chance to win now.

 

[Marc Levin]

Cmon they'd be lucky to sniff a wild card.

While I tend to agree they will be lucky to sniff a wild card, their entire division is in flux - Seattle is expected to cakewalk it, but that team is also in transition. It is Holmgeren's last year, they have some wide receiver issues, and they have a new running game to launch. The Cards have a more consistent offense, a deeper team, and possibly as good a defense. St. Lou and S.F. are pretty much in shambles on both sides of the ball, and this division can be had with a 9-7 record.The Cards could very well make the playoffs this year without "sniffing a wild card" - in fact, I think the only way they OR Seattle get in is by taking the division - and I think it is an either/or proposition.I'll say it now - the Cards will be in line to take this division the last week of the season (at home versus Seattle)

 

[Bri]

He will only get a chance to take over if Leinart loses games.in a town where a winning season is the goal, and in a division they could take at 9-7, I would not bank on Warner seeing much field time this year. At least not based on the performance I saw last night - Leinart did just enough to give his team a chance to score points without doing the things he did in '07 that caused them to lose games.

Warner was excellent last year.Leinart has to do better than "just enough". Plus, Whisenhunt has to have the feeling what QB can't succeed with those WRs,(I realize Boldin and Doucet were out, I mean in general) doesn't he?

 

[Marc Levin]

And Warner went 5-3 last year as the starter from week 10 forward. I am not arguing whether Warner looked like a better QB in 2007 - or whether he would be better in 2008 for fantasy purposes.

As I said, as long as Leinart is winning games, he remains the starter - if he crumbles in the regular season and loses his first couple of games, I am sure they will flip to Kurt Warner very quickly. They are in a win-now mentality, and they will not allow developing Leinart to interfere with that.

 

[Phurfur]

He will only get a chance to take over if Leinart loses games.

in a town where a winning season is the goal, and in a division they could take at 9-7, I would not bank on Warner seeing much field time this year. At least not based on the performance I saw last night - Leinart did just enough to give his team a chance to score points without doing the things he did in '07 that caused them to lose games.

Then why would you start Leinert over Warner?

Simply put? They believe Leinart gives them a better chance to win now.

We went through this with Favre/Rodgers, it is basically the same scenario. Warner may have even out performed Favre during the last half of last year.AZ has a #1 draft pick and good $ invested in Leinart. I know allot of people and announcers have a problem with this but "When it comes to QB the best guy does not always get the job. Sometimes the franchise is forced to develop a younger guy". It makes sense to me I don't know why so many people have a problem with that.

 

[Phurfur]

And Warner went 5-3 last year as the starter from week 10 forward. I am not arguing whether Warner looked like a better QB in 2007 - or whether he would be better in 2008 for fantasy purposes.As I said, as long as Leinart is winning games, he remains the starter - if he crumbles in the regular season and loses his first couple of games, I am sure they will flip to Kurt Warner very quickly. They are in a win-now mentality, and they will not allow developing Leinart to interfere with that.

Good analysis.

 

[prymetyme25]

Hightower era has begun

Panic in the streets with Edge owners.

Let's not go overboard.Hightower looked real good, but it's way too early to say he is a danger to steal touches from Edge.

I was most impressed with Brees, Leinart, Patten, Hightower and Meachum in this game - in that order.

Oh, and the Cards defense looked surprisingly good, albeit against old man Brunell and not as good against Brees.

You gotta think that Hightower will get alot of important carries. Since Edge's knee injury he has seem to take himself out of the game after good runs and inside the 20's. Last year not so some maybe but in Indy he did it alot.

Edge had 81% of the Cards' carries last year, didn't take himself out of any games, didn't suffer any injuries, and is now 100% hea;thy. Edge is infamous for taking the preseason off and letting other backs carry the load until the games mean something. Edge has missed exactly one game in the last 4 years. He has had 300+ carries every year since 2003. The only opportunity stat that has declined for Edge is his targets number.Edge won't be the one losing looks in this offense - Arrington and Shipp will be the ones who suffer if Hightower continues playing like this.

I think you misunderstood what i said. Since his ACL injury back in 2001/2002 he has seemingly taken himself out in the situations I mentioned. Last year I knew that he carries the whole load and didn't really have a back to help. I can see Hightower take on a Dominic Rhodes type of role.

 

[a_troll00]

He will only get a chance to take over if Leinart loses games.

in a town where a winning season is the goal, and in a division they could take at 9-7, I would not bank on Warner seeing much field time this year. At least not based on the performance I saw last night - Leinart did just enough to give his team a chance to score points without doing the things he did in '07 that caused them to lose games.

Then why would you start Leinert over Warner?

Simply put? They believe Leinart gives them a better chance to win now.

I don't think they believe Leinart gives them a better chance to win now. They're trying to make their #10 pick of the draft into the QB of the future. Warner gives them the best chance to win now, but the Cards want to think long term.