Thanks - kind of how I see it - that's why they call it gambling....Need a win this weekend or I'm toast with this bet - Seattle is not good.
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bulger2holt
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The Rams have Laurinitus at MLB and he is a stud. DE Long is coming around too. Their secondary is young and showing promise with CB's Bartell, Fletcher and Murpthy and S Otogwe. They have a couple decent young DT's too. Their glaring needs are #1 WR, pass rushing DE and #2 RB and another safety. Some o-line depth wouldn't hurt either. But, they have come a long way with upgrading talent and aren't too far away.jurb26 said:
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Yeah, as it usually takes most QB's three or four seasons before they start to hit their peak...due to the lack of weapons surrounding him, it may take Bradford a bit longer, even if he is the real deal. Stud QB's just don't happen over-night, he will probably finish top 20 this season, top 10-20 next year, and POSSIBLY be a stud in 2013. I think that is best case, and I think most would agree with that time-table. St. Louis needs a big time makeover, and they have their centerpiece, but it may take a while to assemble the other parts necessary for a studly passing game. Just my opinion, I'm not down on Bradford or anything like that, I just think he is going to put up quite a few stinkers and I don't want the FBG community to over-react and go about how the "HYPE" was BS. It's going to take a few years, that is the nature of the position...
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
They don't need a make over at all. They have been drafting some really good pieces lately. They just need a true #1 go-to receiver. They will get one. Stan Kroenke will see to it.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
I hope that is the case, if the line, especially the tackles are set, and they get that #1, AND Bradford progresses in a manner similar to other good to great QB's, I think he could be top 12(solid fantasy starter) by 2013. They will probably need a new RB by 2013 as well, although SJax may have another year or two left in the tank by then, but RB's are a dime a dozen outside of the elite backs, so that will not be a hard hole to fill. But this is all assuming Bradford is the real deal...and while things certainly look good, that is far from guaranteed. I think he is legit though, moreso than Stafford, or any other young(meaning 1st-3rd year starting at QB) QB's in the NFL...but he will need some help, and if, as you say, some of the key pieces are already in place, I'm glad I have Bradford in my dynasty league!
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
another good day for bradford...could lead the rams to the playoffs this year... they're schedule is that easy
Darryl Talley
Footballguy
Now that Vick is out, I will appoint Bradford the new saviour. His schedule looks great.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Went to the Rams/Seahawks game today, and Bradford looked pretty damn good. Okay, the INT was a horrible decision, and he missed a few not-difficult throws, but he made some terrific throws into tight coverage, and the guy just has poise. Like I said last week, you can tell that the guy just gets it. Some QBs get to the NFL and can never catch up to the speed of the game. Bradford is already there.
The Rams need to get him a real number 1 WR. That should be their main goal with the offense in the next year or so. Amendola and Clayton can be good 2-3 guys, but a real number 1 could make that an offense that would be feared.
The Rams need to get him a real number 1 WR. That should be their main goal with the offense in the next year or so. Amendola and Clayton can be good 2-3 guys, but a real number 1 could make that an offense that would be feared.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
I cant believe im saying this but Bradford may be able to lead the rams to the playoffs...with a 7-9 record,but, playoffs nontheless.Hes also making mark clayton a relevant fantasy-wise...who woulda thunk it.
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
Watch Bradford's drive and TD throw. It was a great pass.
http://www.stlouisrams.com/media-center/vi...d2-dee75100e13b
http://www.stlouisrams.com/media-center/vi...d2-dee75100e13b
ThePittbully
Footballguy
What is bradford being had for in dynasty? I have him in one league but haven't gotten any offers.
coyote5
Footballguy
I had the same decision and decided to go with the veteran at home vs the rookie on the road....
FUBAR
Footballguy
he's a rookie QB, these games will happen. moreso without Clayton.he really needs Onobun to learn to play.
Otis
Footballguy
All this. In dynasty leagues, he's the QB I want on my bench right now.
Hendo
Footballguy
idk... I like Stafford a lil more. I do think both Bradford and Stafford have eclipsed Ryan/Flacco as far as dynasty prospects go though.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Up to QB16 now - might as well say QB15 as he'll blow by Romo next week, and has a good chance to catch one or two by season's end. QB12 is a pretty solid rookie year.from ESPN today:Pretty sure that's about where he is in every league that penalizes 2 points for turnovers. He needs to average about 4 more points per game (100 yards or a full TD) to get into the top ten, so I don't see it happening this year.
That said, he is much more impressive this year than Freeman or Stafford were a year ago. Hard to judge him against the rookie years of Flacco, Ryan or Sanchez as they had more talent around them.
He'll be top ten within a year or two. The 2014 prediction seems way off...but I could see it taking that long to get to elite status (consistent top 3ish-5ish). It took Drew Brees three years as a starter to get into the top ten, five before he was top five, seven before he was #1.
On a PPG basis, he's about QB28. Of course that includes everyone regardless of games played (Vick & Big Ben 4, Troy Smith and Stafford 2 etc). Take out the non-qualifiers and he's around 20th/21st.Not sure the latter will improve this year. He throws the fewest balls 15 yards or further downfield, and his WRs catch more balls short of the FD marker than almost anyone. The whole offense is predicated on YAC. It's not like this is a recent trend brought on by the injury to Avery, Clayton, et al. Been the same thing since day one - and OU had a very similar philosophy. Maybe under a different HC/OC he becomes a different kind of QB.
Some food for thought:
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/i...-thought-he-was
http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2010/11/01/r...ield-continues/
Yesterday the Rams averaged around 5 to 6 yards per completion through the first three quarters. Then after the Steve Smith fumble, they had back to back completions of 33 and 23 (TD), the longest plays on the day. After that they shut him down and kept the ball on the ground.
Hey, its working, I am not criticising what the Rams are doing. But it will effect how productive he is from a FF perspective this year. I think yesterday's game is indicative of what his ceiling is for the remainder of 2010. They really don't have the personnel right now to game plan downfield.
Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
Bradford was beastly yesterday. Extremely accurate and very decisive. Nobody rolls out to their right and delivers a dart as well as him this early in their development.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I drafted him in ZERO of my leagues ....... I was terribly wrong about him
krsone21
Footballguy
I needed a good backup QB in one of my dynasty leagues and traded next years 1st round rookie pick so I could draft him this past rookie draft. I was that sure of his talent. I have not been disapointed.
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D'OHtis
Footballguy
Depends on league type & what is added to his weapons next year.Redraft: QB10-15. Dynasty: If I were to participate in a dynasty next year, I'd take him Top6-7 and pair with an underachieving or injured '09 QB (say Schaub/Romo/Stafford)
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Sam Bradford top ten quarterrback by seasons end? Check!
packersfan
Footballguy
Depends on if the Rams get a No. 1 WR or someone (Alexander perhaps?) emerges from the current group to become one. He has a stud talent at RB in Jackson and while the Rams aren't loaded with outstanding WR talent I don't think any of the four top guys they have now (Amendola, Gibson, Robinson and Alexander) are stiffs. But he does need a legit No. 1 WR. If he has one going into next season, I could see him finishing as a Top 10 QB. He is one of the finest QBs I've seen come into the league in a long time. He's extremely talented. As far as the rest of this season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up QB1 numbers in the final five games. He's rolling right now and he faces only one top pass defense (New Orleans) the rest of the way. And that could be a game which sees him get volume production if the Rams have to throw it a lot to keep up with Brees. His matchup this week is drool-worthy and the first of three matchups against bottom 10 pass defenses. On paper, he's looking like a legit QB1 the rest of the way in my opinion.
Football Jones
Footballguy
A lot of people are expecting Bradford to take off starting now. I'm as high on him as anybody (he's got HOF talent), but I hesitate thinking he's going to produce big-time numbers the rest of the way (this season). He doesn't quite have the weapons yet, although, Alexander has incredible talent & could be the stud WR they need for the future if he stays healthy. He's on a snap count now, though (at least for the time being).Look how much most 2nd-year QBs improve (like Sanchez). If Bradford takes a normal-type leap, he'll be off the charts. His young & talented OL will be better, as well. Throw in a healthy Alexander/Clayton/Avery, along with one of the best slot receivers in the NFL in Amendola, plus help from the draft, & you have the makings of a top-5 QB in 2011 in only his 2nd season. And I don't see anyone being better by his 3rd season. Bradford is that good (if he gets the help).I wouldn't hesitate a bit taking Bradford as my QB1 in redrafts next year. Dynasty? He's worth a 1st if your league is QB-friendly. No doubt. He'll help carry you for the next 10+ years.
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no doubt a qb1 next year if he gets a little help.
By Mike Sando
Sam Bradford's outstanding performance for the St. Louis Rams during their 36-33 victory at Denver places the rookie in select company.
According to Elias Sports Bureau, Bradford became the first rookie in NFL history to pass for at least 300 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions during a road victory. John Elway was the last rookie to hit 300 yards with three touchdowns and no picks in a game, regardless of location or results (against Baltimore in 1983).
Bradford also became the 11th quarterback over the past five seasons to pass for at least 300 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions during a road victory.
The others? Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Tom Brady, Michael Vick, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and, uh, Bruce Gradkowski.
Check out the list from Pro Football Reference and you'll see that Bradford was the youngest to accomplish the feat during that span (since the 2006 season). Brady has done it five times during the period in question, one more than Brees. Rodgers and Manning have done it three times. Favre has done it twice.
According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bradford joins Kurt Warner and Jim Everett as the only players in Rams history to accomplish the feat.
Bradford's first 300-yard passing game also marks the first in NFL history by a rookie from Oklahoma. The highest before Bradford, according to Elias Sports Bureau: 144 yards, by Hugh McCullough of the Pittsburgh Pirates against the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1939.
By Mike Sando
Sam Bradford's outstanding performance for the St. Louis Rams during their 36-33 victory at Denver places the rookie in select company.
According to Elias Sports Bureau, Bradford became the first rookie in NFL history to pass for at least 300 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions during a road victory. John Elway was the last rookie to hit 300 yards with three touchdowns and no picks in a game, regardless of location or results (against Baltimore in 1983).
Bradford also became the 11th quarterback over the past five seasons to pass for at least 300 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions during a road victory.
The others? Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Tom Brady, Michael Vick, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and, uh, Bruce Gradkowski.
Check out the list from Pro Football Reference and you'll see that Bradford was the youngest to accomplish the feat during that span (since the 2006 season). Brady has done it five times during the period in question, one more than Brees. Rodgers and Manning have done it three times. Favre has done it twice.
According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bradford joins Kurt Warner and Jim Everett as the only players in Rams history to accomplish the feat.
Bradford's first 300-yard passing game also marks the first in NFL history by a rookie from Oklahoma. The highest before Bradford, according to Elias Sports Bureau: 144 yards, by Hugh McCullough of the Pittsburgh Pirates against the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1939.
NYG Endzone
Footballguy
I dont get why FBG Top 250 thinks Bradford isnt a top 15 QB for the remainder of the season.
His schedule is above average in their SOS for each game but week 14.
His schedule is above average in their SOS for each game but week 14.
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Where do you guys see his dynasty value at this point?
Football Jones
Footballguy
If you're talking about what QB I'd take for the next umpteen years, it's Sam Bradford. And as good as Bradford was a rookie, he'll get better & better. He'll be among the league's best in a few years.Give him more help at WR (which they'll certainly do), then you're talking FF stud in the near future.wiscstlatlmia said:
Football Jones
Footballguy
No, I would wait. It depends on the dynamics of your draft, but if your QB scoring is high & you're the type of owner who doesn't mind taking a franchise QB in a start-up dynasty draft, I'd wait until the usual suspects are off the board (Brady, Peyton, Brees, Ryan, etc.), then I'd jump on Bradford. What round/slot that would be is hard to say without being in the flow of the draft (as well as your scoring rules).
cr8f
Footballguy
He has been pretty good. I said what I did more about the teams failures over the years than his. He's very accurate, but didn't think he'd do it yet. I was wrong. Like Rivers he makes everyone better.I do like Freeman better and would wait and grab one of therm. Just a few years back Rodgers was going in the 10th round of 16 team leagues.
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