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San Franciso Defense vs. RB's (1 Viewer)

Thought this could be a good topic going forward. Generally speaking, it's not a great idea to start your RB's against the SF D. Although Bradshaw had a decent game this past weekend, that is the exception rather than the rule. I believe Bradshaw scored the first rushing TD against them all year. So would like to know what others are doing regarding their RB's against the San Fran D.

Week 7 vs Marshawn Lynch

I am inclined to bench Lynch this week. The game is in SF, and SF is coming a whoopping from the Giants. They are probably not very happy and are looking to tak it out on someone.

And... Lynch had a poor game vs. NE. Only gets worse at SF.

As of right now, I am putting Vick Ballard in my lineup against Cleveland. As long as he gets the majority of touches, he stands a better chance to score more points than Lynch.

 
I'm not expecting much out of lynch, but I am starting him because of the Murray injury and bye weeks. My concern has less to do with Lynch than it does with Thursday night. I hate starting anyone on Thursday night if I have the option, because they almost always put up disappointing stats.

When he is in the national spotlight, beast mode comes out... So I'm hoping to see it again this Thursday.

Also, San Francisco has been giving up more to backs this year than in recent history... And lynch was the one who broke their longstanding 100 yard and touchdown streak against running backs.

Here's the last time he was on primetime -

 
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I think if the offense is balanced, NYG, NEpats come to mind, just keep your RBs in there.

However a team that struggles to pass - seattle - Id consider benching Lynch although you might not have better options right now.

 
Seattle's going to get pounded Thursday on both sides of the ball. Look what happened the last time the Niners got embarrassed this year.

 
Did you think this would be a good topic going forward or did you think this was a sneaky way to ask an AC question in the SP?

If it was the former, no one needed to know about Vick Ballard. Or the background on Lynch vs. NE.

 
Any given Sunday anything can happen. Of course I just traded away CJ2K at his sweet spot on the Titans schedule for Marshawn. I knew I was potentially giving up points but I decided to do it because on any given Sunday any player our team can blow it up.

 
My concern has less to do with Lynch than it does with Thursday night. I hate starting anyone on Thursday night if I have the option, because they almost always put up disappointing stats.

When he is in the national spotlight, beast mode comes out... So I'm hoping to see it again this Thursday.

Also, San Francisco has been giving up more to backs this year than in recent history... And lynch was the one who broke their longstanding 100 yard and touchdown streak against running backs.

Here's the last time he was on primetime -

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Of the 5 losses the 49ers have had under Harbaugh, none of them have been back to back and all five were followed by an extremely impressive defensive performance.

 
Of the 5 losses the 49ers have had under Harbaugh, none of them have been back to back and all five were followed by an extremely impressive defensive performance.
You forgot the outscored part: My link

The 49ers have followed four regular-season losses by blasting their next opponent by a combined score of 93-11. In those four games, the defense hasn’t allowed a touchdown and has forced 14 turnovers.
Bear in mind, it is a very small sample size to indicate a trend, but given that the 49er defense is facing a rookie at QB while at home is a fairly obvious assumption to make on defense alone. One factor that can make a difference is losing Joe Staley on the 49ers end facing the SEA defense.

 
Did you think this would be a good topic going forward or did you think this was a sneaky way to ask an AC question in the SP?

If it was the former, no one needed to know about Vick Ballard. Or the background on Lynch vs. NE.
Yes, this is exactly what this is smartguy. :rolleyes: I don't give a rat's ### what anyone thinks about who I play, I am merely stating for others who might be interested to know who is being substituted for Lynch this week. Would I play Mark Ingram this week over Lynch??? No. But I will consider Ballard. The same holds true for opposing RB's the remainder of the season.

8-@Arizona

9-BYE

10-StL

11-Chicago

12-@NO

13-@StL

14-Miami

15-@NE

16-@Seattle

17-Arizona

 
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no way. SF isn't proving to be a team you absolutely can't run on. And the Seahawks / Lynch had success running on SF last December.

And for what it's worth - the Seahawks don't have as much trouble passing the ball as many of you think. They really haven't made it a part of the game plan - with the exception of last week vs. NE where they clearly made an effort to get the ball downfield - probably a wise decision based on how bad NEs secondary is. For the most part, if the run game is working and the DEf is keeping it close, they have asked Russell to manage the game and not turn the ball over.

 
Lynch isnt exactly the same explosive back he was at the end of last year.
He may be dealing with the back spasms still but he's doing well enough yardage wise (3rd) especially considering he's been facing tons of 8+ man fronts. The end of last year would be hard to top for any back in the NFL but he's still running hard.Beast Mode's schedule down the line has me worried as an owner but he's still showing me he can get those tough yards and I believe the TDs will come once Wilson matures. Im nervous about Wilson but he looked much better last week vs. NE.
 
Lynch isnt exactly the same explosive back he was at the end of last year.
:confused: He's the exact same back he was last year - with maybe a better O line.
In the 4 games leading up to the SF game last year, he had 4.6 YPC with 6 TDs. Beast mode was in full effect.This season so far he is barely over 4 YPC and has 2 TDs. Really? The exact same back?
He's 3rd in the league in rushing with a rookie QB. Look at the stats at the exact same point as last season. He didnt even start getting 20+ attempts last year till week 7. And In those 4 games last season you mentioned he also faced the Rams/Eagles/Skins (All 3 were ranked in latter half in Rush D) and then he faced the Bears (5th, held to 42 yds on 20 carries).
 
Lynch isnt exactly the same explosive back he was at the end of last year.
:confused: He's the exact same back he was last year - with maybe a better O line.
In the 4 games leading up to the SF game last year, he had 4.6 YPC with 6 TDs. Beast mode was in full effect.This season so far he is barely over 4 YPC and has 2 TDs. Really? The exact same back?
you surely realize that it's not a same for same comparison, right? Having watched every down of every Seahawks game I assure you he's the same back.
 
He's 3rd in the league in rushing with a rookie QB. Look at the stats at the exact same point as last season. He didnt even start getting 20+ attempts last year till week 7.
The game in question didnt happen at the same point last year. I'm comparing how Lynch was doing last year when he was about to face the Niners compared to this year. He was a scarier back when they met last year.
Dosn't matter. It's a division game on a short week.
IMO, the short week hurts the Hawks more since they are coming off an emotional upset win and might have a letdown. The Niners on the other hand will still be pissed about Sunday's loss. Going off my gut here.
you surely realize that it's not a same for same comparison, right? Having watched every down of every Seahawks game I assure you he's the same back
The stats dont really agree but whatever. I'm not saying Lynch sucks, I'm just saying that last season was a better situation for Lynch to put up the better game for various reasons.
 
He's 3rd in the league in rushing with a rookie QB. Look at the stats at the exact same point as last season. He didnt even start getting 20+ attempts last year till week 7.
The game in question didnt happen at the same point last year. I'm comparing how Lynch was doing last year when he was about to face the Niners compared to this year. He was a scarier back when they met last year.
Dosn't matter. It's a division game on a short week.
IMO, the short week hurts the Hawks more since they are coming off an emotional upset win and might have a letdown. The Niners on the other hand will still be pissed about Sunday's loss. Going off my gut here.
you surely realize that it's not a same for same comparison, right? Having watched every down of every Seahawks game I assure you he's the same back
The stats dont really agree but whatever. I'm not saying Lynch sucks, I'm just saying that last season was a better situation for Lynch to put up the better game for various reasons.
I hear ya. Not saying Lynch is going to tear it up either but I don't think you bench him for a guy like Ballard.
 
He's 3rd in the league in rushing with a rookie QB. Look at the stats at the exact same point as last season. He didnt even start getting 20+ attempts last year till week 7.
The game in question didnt happen at the same point last year. I'm comparing how Lynch was doing last year when he was about to face the Niners compared to this year. He was a scarier back when they met last year.
Sounds like you're being really short sighted. Lynch has been doing faily well even with a rookie QB and lackluster offense. The 49ers defense is very good but teams have been able to run up the gut on them this season at times. I dont like the short week and I think it works against teams but we'll see.Im expecting 60-70 yards for Lynch on 18-20 carries and a TD. Its going to be a tough game running but the Hawks will still try and pound it. I believe this game will be close.
 
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He's 3rd in the league in rushing with a rookie QB. Look at the stats at the exact same point as last season. He didnt even start getting 20+ attempts last year till week 7.
The game in question didnt happen at the same point last year. I'm comparing how Lynch was doing last year when he was about to face the Niners compared to this year. He was a scarier back when they met last year.
Sounds like you're being really short sighted. Lynch has been doing faily well even with a rookie QB and lackluster offense. The 49ers defense is very good but teams have been able to run up the gut on them this season at times. I dont like the short week and I think it works against teams but we'll see.Im expecting 60-70 yards for Lynch on 18-20 carries and a TD. Its going to be a tough game running but the Hawks will still try and pound it. I believe this game will be close.
If I can get this, I'll be thrilled. Owning Lynch in a PPR is tough, because he is rarely used in the passing game, so you have to rely on the hope of a touchdown to get solid points. Weird really, since he's always looked good as a pass catcher when they've used him in that role.
 
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So Ballard puts up 25 yards against a Jets team that has been getting run on all year, including two 150+ yard rushers, and all of a sudden hes a better spot play over Lynch who is 3rd in rushing yards?

Maybe you are right, but I also remember Lynch being the first to rush for over a 100 and run in a TD against SF last year, and that was with even worse QB play.

Always start your studs, go talk to the guys in the Hartline over Jordy thread

 
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Seems like the Hawks are really being sold short by a few.

"Pissed" or no, SF is going to have a battle on their hands on both sides of the ball.

In fact, I'd be more concerned about Gore vs. the Hawks D than I would be about Lynch...and that is with no disrespect intended to SF.

 
So Ballard puts up 25 yards against a Jets team that has been getting run on all year, including two 150+ yard rushers, and all of a sudden hes a better spot play over Lynch who is 3rd in rushing yards?Maybe you are right, but I also remember Lynch being the first to rush for over a 100 and run in a TD against SF last year, and that was with even worse QB play.Always start your studs, go talk to the guys in the Hartline over Jordy thread
Hartline vs. Finnegan or Jordy vs. who??? You had to think Hartline would get shut down. Not the same comparison IMO.
 
So Ballard puts up 25 yards against a Jets team that has been getting run on all year, including two 150+ yard rushers, and all of a sudden hes a better spot play over Lynch who is 3rd in rushing yards?Maybe you are right, but I also remember Lynch being the first to rush for over a 100 and run in a TD against SF last year, and that was with even worse QB play.Always start your studs, go talk to the guys in the Hartline over Jordy thread
Hartline vs. Finnegan or Jordy vs. who??? You had to think Hartline would get shut down. Not the same comparison IMO.
Now we are drifting off topic but Jonathan Joseph was covering Jordy. A 2011 all-pro and pro bowler who's name you should know, and even if you don't think hes a better all around corner than Finnegan like I do, the comparison still makes complete sense.
 
49ers Rushing Defense:

Week 1 - GB 45yds - WIN

Week 2 - Det 82yds - WIN

Week 3 - Min 146yds - LOSS (ADP 86yds no TDs)

Week 4 - NYJ 45yds - WIN

Week 5 - BUF 89yds - WIN

Week 6 - NYG 149yds - LOSS (AB 116 yds 1 td)

So by the looks of it, Seattle in line to get maybe 50yds rushing on Thursday.

 
49ers Rushing Defense:Week 1 - GB 45yds - WINWeek 2 - Det 82yds - WINWeek 3 - Min 146yds - LOSS (ADP 86yds no TDs)Week 4 - NYJ 45yds - WINWeek 5 - BUF 89yds - WINWeek 6 - NYG 149yds - LOSS (AB 116 yds 1 td)So by the looks of it, Seattle in line to get maybe 50yds rushing on Thursday.
How are you jumping to that conclusion? Benson, Kevin Smith, Shonne Greene, and CJ Spiller/Fred Jackson (at least in a week where they got blown out early and both were coming off of injuries) aren't even in the same league as Marshawn Lynch. If anything, Lynch is a much closer comparison to ADP and Bradshaw.Your point doesn't make any sense.
 
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So Ballard puts up 25 yards against a Jets team that has been getting run on all year, including two 150+ yard rushers, and all of a sudden hes a better spot play over Lynch who is 3rd in rushing yards?Maybe you are right, but I also remember Lynch being the first to rush for over a 100 and run in a TD against SF last year, and that was with even worse QB play.Always start your studs, go talk to the guys in the Hartline over Jordy thread
Hartline vs. Finnegan or Jordy vs. who??? You had to think Hartline would get shut down. Not the same comparison IMO.
Now we are drifting off topic but Jonathan Joseph was covering Jordy. A 2011 all-pro and pro bowler who's name you should know, and even if you don't think hes a better all around corner than Finnegan like I do, the comparison still makes complete sense.
Who else does Miami have? Davone Bess?? An injured Bush? Really? Put Finnegan on Hartline and it's game over for the receivers against a much-better-than-average StL defense. Tannehill had 185yds passing. Oh, and by the way... it's Tannehill at QB.GB's got Jordy, JJones, Finley, Cobb. Oh, and by the way, GB's got Aaron Rodgers.
 
49ers Rushing Defense:Week 1 - GB 45yds - WINWeek 2 - Det 82yds - WINWeek 3 - Min 146yds - LOSS (ADP 86yds no TDs)Week 4 - NYJ 45yds - WINWeek 5 - BUF 89yds - WINWeek 6 - NYG 149yds - LOSS (AB 116 yds 1 td)So by the looks of it, Seattle in line to get maybe 50yds rushing on Thursday.
How are you jumping to that conclusion? Benson, Kevin Smith, Shonne Greene, and CJ Spiller/Fred Jackson (at least in a week where they got blown out early and both were coming off of injuries) aren't even in the same league as Marshawn Lynch. If anything, Lynch is a much closer comparison to ADP and Bradshaw.Your point doesn't make any sense.
San Fran has given up 53 points (including 23 this past week against NYG) to opposing RB's so far this year. Cleveland, on the other hand, has given up 114 points.
 
And you would also have to think that SF has the potential to open a big lead, forcing Seattle to abandon the run and throw the ball. This is there MO against inferior teams.

 
If you want to start Ballard this week over Lynch go ahead, come back and tell us how smart you are if you are right. I'm not going to sit someone as good as Lynch for what is essentially an unknown rb in a pass first offense.

Also when did Cortland Finnegan become a shutdown corner?

 
'Monsieur Meursault said:
'solorca said:
'Monsieur Meursault said:
49ers Rushing Defense:Week 1 - GB 45yds - WINWeek 2 - Det 82yds - WINWeek 3 - Min 146yds - LOSS (ADP 86yds no TDs)Week 4 - NYJ 45yds - WINWeek 5 - BUF 89yds - WINWeek 6 - NYG 149yds - LOSS (AB 116 yds 1 td)So by the looks of it, Seattle in line to get maybe 50yds rushing on Thursday.
How are you jumping to that conclusion? Benson, Kevin Smith, Shonne Greene, and CJ Spiller/Fred Jackson (at least in a week where they got blown out early and both were coming off of injuries) aren't even in the same league as Marshawn Lynch. If anything, Lynch is a much closer comparison to ADP and Bradshaw.Your point doesn't make any sense.
San Fran has given up 53 points (including 23 this past week against NYG) to opposing RB's so far this year. Cleveland, on the other hand, has given up 114 points.
What does Cleveland have to do with your point about Lynch/Seattle being in line for 50 yards? The stats you quoted show nothing to suggest a low performance for Lynch, unless you're assuming that he's at the same level as Cedric Benson and Shonne Green. You're not making any sense.Unless you're still talking about Lynch vs. Ballard, which still has nothing to do with a 50 yard prediction for Lynch*.*Not saying a 50 yard day is out of the question, but what you posted suggests nothing to make it "look that way".
 
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And you would also have to think that SF has the potential to open a big lead, forcing Seattle to abandon the run and throw the ball. This is there MO against inferior teams.
Good point, if Seattle were are the same level as the New York Jets, Buffalo Bills, or Detroit Lions. They are much better than all of those teams, and are clearly not "inferior".You're all over the place with odd points that don't make any sense.
 
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'solorca said:
'money.never.sleeps said:
'butcher boy said:
He's 3rd in the league in rushing with a rookie QB. Look at the stats at the exact same point as last season. He didnt even start getting 20+ attempts last year till week 7.
The game in question didnt happen at the same point last year. I'm comparing how Lynch was doing last year when he was about to face the Niners compared to this year. He was a scarier back when they met last year.
Sounds like you're being really short sighted. Lynch has been doing faily well even with a rookie QB and lackluster offense. The 49ers defense is very good but teams have been able to run up the gut on them this season at times. I dont like the short week and I think it works against teams but we'll see.Im expecting 60-70 yards for Lynch on 18-20 carries and a TD. Its going to be a tough game running but the Hawks will still try and pound it. I believe this game will be close.
If I can get this, I'll be thrilled. Owning Lynch in a PPR is tough, because he is rarely used in the passing game, so you have to rely on the hope of a touchdown to get solid points. Weird really, since he's always looked good as a pass catcher when they've used him in that role.
what does that have to do with my response? Drunk?
 
'solorca said:
'money.never.sleeps said:
'butcher boy said:
He's 3rd in the league in rushing with a rookie QB. Look at the stats at the exact same point as last season. He didnt even start getting 20+ attempts last year till week 7.
The game in question didnt happen at the same point last year. I'm comparing how Lynch was doing last year when he was about to face the Niners compared to this year. He was a scarier back when they met last year.
Sounds like you're being really short sighted. Lynch has been doing faily well even with a rookie QB and lackluster offense. The 49ers defense is very good but teams have been able to run up the gut on them this season at times. I dont like the short week and I think it works against teams but we'll see.Im expecting 60-70 yards for Lynch on 18-20 carries and a TD. Its going to be a tough game running but the Hawks will still try and pound it. I believe this game will be close.
If I can get this, I'll be thrilled. Owning Lynch in a PPR is tough, because he is rarely used in the passing game, so you have to rely on the hope of a touchdown to get solid points. Weird really, since he's always looked good as a pass catcher when they've used him in that role.
what does that have to do with my response? Drunk?
You said you expect 60-70 yards and a touchdown, and I said I'd be thrilled with that result. I also noted that the touchdown is important because of his lack of use in the passing game (at least for PPR leagues).You made a post and I commented on it, I thought that was what we did around here? :)
 
And you would also have to think that SF has the potential to open a big lead, forcing Seattle to abandon the run and throw the ball. This is there MO against inferior teams.
Good point, if Seattle were are the same level as the New York Jets, Buffalo Bills, or Detroit Lions. They are much better than all of those teams, and are clearly not "inferior".You're all over the place with odd points that don't make any sense.
3 of Seattle's four wins have been won by a combined 7 points, and technically they should not have won the game against GB. So don't sit here and tell me they are much better than those other teams. And it's Seattle defense that is keeping them in games this year, not their potent offense.
 
And you would also have to think that SF has the potential to open a big lead, forcing Seattle to abandon the run and throw the ball. This is there MO against inferior teams.
Good point, if Seattle were are the same level as the New York Jets, Buffalo Bills, or Detroit Lions. They are much better than all of those teams, and are clearly not "inferior".You're all over the place with odd points that don't make any sense.
3 of Seattle's four wins have been won by a combined 7 points, and technically they should not have won the game against GB. So don't sit here and tell me they are much better than those other teams. And it's Seattle defense that is keeping them in games this year, not their potent offense.
Close defensive games = rushing attempts. Attempts = yardage. Yardage = fantasy points. Because they play close games against opponents, that's supposed to prove somehow that the Seahawks are "inferior" to the 49ers? I hate to break it to you, but close games are a GOOD thing for running backs. You jump to some really strange conclusions. Using your crazy logic, I guess I should say that the Seahawks are clearly better than the 49ers because their two losses are by a total only 10 points, while the 49ers is by 34 points.If you want to play Vick Ballard over Marshawn Lynch, knock yourself out. It's possible that it will pay off for you, and it's not out of the question that Lynch will struggle. Stop with the insane logic though.
 
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what does that have to do with my response? Drunk?
You said you expect 60-70 yards and a touchdown, and I said I'd be thrilled with that result. I also noted that the touchdown is important because of his lack of use in the passing game (at least for PPR leagues).You made a post and I commented on it, I thought that was what we did around here? :)
Maybe I was drunk.. :lmao: Im going to roll with Beast Mode tonight over BJGE. :shrug:I hate the Thursday games in terms of how awful some teams have looked but Im hoping to see a tough physical game out of the Seahawks. Hopefully they feed Lynch often and dont get down in this one to where they have to pass. Read this on the ESPN profile. Maybe over thinking sitting Lynch but it makes sense."Lynch has rushed for a mere 62 yards on 23 carries (2.7 YPC) with zero scores in the past two seasons at Candlestick Park, and the Niners have allowed only one RB touchdown in six games this season."
 
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I think there is definitely a bust risk tonight, and I'd love to have a better option so I could bench him this week...but unfortunately, Murray's injury happened at the worst time. My only option over him would be Pierre Thomas, and I just don't think I could do that.

My big hope is that he'll get some dump off passes like he did a few weeks ago against the Rams, or he gets a touchdown.

In my PPR league, I'm hoping for about 12-13 points. Anything more, I'll be thrilled.

 
Trying real hard to talk myself into starting Lynch tonight, if for nothing else to add some excitement to the game. Hard to justify though, especially with the game in SF. He has a floor of about 5-6 points just based on the amount of carries he should get. Here's to hoping he breaks a long one (or two) and scores a TD. The Magic 8 Ball has been no help this year

 
I talked myself into starting him when I decided to trade for him in exchange for Chris Johnson this post Monday.

I know CJ has some easy run defenses coming up but I had to get out from under him and the reality is I have seen enough from Lynch and the Hawks young offense to think that they have as good as chance as any team to get lucky and maybe pop a few decent gains v. The 49ers. The Seahawks defense could harass Alex Smith into numerous int's and thereby permit a close game where Seattle runs a balanced, ball control attack. The emergence of a passing game for them should at least keep the 49ers defense honest.

 
I'm definitely starting Spiller AND FJax. Between Lynch and Sproles as my flex in a non PPR. A week ago I would have started Sproles. But I think Wilson showed enough last week that the Niners at least have to respect him a little bit. Meaning, Lynch will get his shots unless they get behind big early. We'll see. Short week, Alex Smith confidence in question, Seahawks coming off a nice win against a tough team themselves - I don't think this is the recipe for Niners to dominate. Seahawks are tough enough to hold their own.

Starting Beast Mode.

 
16 points in my league with 5 point bonus for over 100. Definitely take it! Now, if these guys could EVAH get in the redzone it would be lights out. Never seen a team with no pass interference calls in the end zone. Need some easy 1 yard scores - not happening so far.

 

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