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Sanchez/Tebow overhype (1 Viewer)

v12themonster

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Part of the reason I love listening to the FBG podcast and anything else FBG puts out is because I know I am getting solid football analysis that isn't the crap that the media spits out just to incite arguments and controversy etc. But at this point the Sanchez/Tebow talk with Sanchez being horrible and Tebow taking over are way outta control and I see the FBG going away from any kind of analysis and buying into the nonsense.

I am sorry but my first argument for this has to be that psyche is just not a measurable stat, not to mention we have very very little to go on to say Sanchez has a weak psyche. Granted the NY media is huge they present a lot of story, but what people don't realize is that no matter how convincing they sound they love to slant the story to what they feel will grab the most attention either positively or negatively. When that happens and every media outlet follows with it from the beat writers, radio, to tv they throw out any of the logic behind it and present the story as fact.

What is true, Sanchez is not a star qb! What he is, is above average qb in HIS 4th YEAR with upside. He has improved statistically in every category in each of his first three years. Yards, %, TDs, and INTs. Granted it has not been vast improvement, but far from the back tracking and horrible play that everyone claims. THE TEAM went from going to the AFC championship 2yrs in a row, and 3rd year the missed the playoffs. Essentially tho if we pay attention and know football we don't buy into the thought that the qb is the only aspect of a team that counts!

Well documented is the collapse of his offensive line, the regression of the run game starting the year Sanchez arrived. As well as the regression of the defense from 3yrs ago when it was at its peak. The FACTS are that Sanchez is improving and has improved while his team has not. Which isn't an excuse because he is still only above average and he just hasn't become great. However I need to see a statistical issue before I can say he isn't my starting qb and I am going to give the rains to a guy who everyone agrees cannot play the position.

Yes I am a Jets fan, but that's really a good thing when it comes to writing this story because I care. If I were au giants fan I would be happy that the media is having fun etc, or if I was a fan of another team I would except these things to be true. But the facts are what people are suggesting that Sanchez will fail and will lose his job goes against what any coacing staff would do. What the media will have you believe is that the fans want this etc and everyone will cry for Tebow. But the FACT is as a fan and as someone who listens to JETs fans call the radio etc. Nobody ever says they think Mark is horrible, or that they loved the move and they want Tebow etc. Everyone was angry and even media personel used the story immediately that the Jets don't make sense and don't know what they are doing.

The media is creating the "CIRCUS", they are perpetuating the stories. But the fans don't want Tebow. But more importantly IF Sanchez fails, it will be because of Sanchez not being good enough. He will not play horrible because of Tebow and the media and he can't handle the pressure, then go to another team and be great! If he doesn't do well its because of him. So please stop buying into the nonsense FBG, especially since this is a fantasy show. Sanchez can put up decent numbers and has upside and is a solid option. A backup qb is not a reason to think he will fail.

Lastly Tebow wasn't brought in to replace Sanchez and you might think that the coaching staff is just saying that Sanchez is their guy. But from everything I see from Tebow he makes a GREAT short yardage wildcat QB. Nothing else and you can't say its lip service to call him that. How many QBs have we seen run the wildcat as it has been in its recent past few years of success. I will tell the answer is none! Brad Smith, Cribs, Ronnie and Ricky and that's really it. But what has been seen is the guy who was most successful at it Tony Sparano is now our OC. Then add a guy who isn't a real passer, but way more that possible to succeed then any of the guy I just mentioned.

So why can't it be that they both can be successful or failures on their own. Tebow will be used on 3rd and 4 or less situations. Sure GL too. But how is that ay different from handing the ball off to the RB. Would Sanchez realistically have any shot to get the ball back if he handed it off in any situation like that? No! Its no different and in fact it gives more solid oppurtumity for drives to stay alive! Is that really a bad thing!?

 
2009 53.8% 2444yrds 12tds 20ints 8fum

2010 54.8% 3291yrds 17tds 13ints 5fum

2011 56.7% 3474yrds 26tds 18ints 4fum

I did make one mistake by saying he has improved in ints! But he has improved in TD to INT ratio each year and I believe overall TDs to overall TOs have improved each year. That's not someone that has regressed.

 
just as you as a Jets fan are willing to see things a certain way, there are the 90% of NFL fans who hate the Jets and will see things a different way. Not to mention the Tebow fans who will see things another Tebow-centric way.

The only thing to do is be aware of this bias and draft accordingly. You will be able to get Shonn Greene in rd 7 when he should go in round 4. You will be able to get Dustin Keller in round 11 when he should go in round 8. Anti-Jets bias is not a bad thing, if you are aware of it.

as for Mark he's a bye week replacement at best. He's in the mix with Sam Bradford, Ryan Fitzpatrick and other mediocre fantasy Qbs.

 
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2009 53.8% 2444yrds 12tds 20ints 8fum2010 54.8% 3291yrds 17tds 13ints 5fum2011 56.7% 3474yrds 26tds 18ints 4fumI did make one mistake by saying he has improved in ints! But he has improved in TD to INT ratio each year and I believe overall TDs to overall TOs have improved each year. That's not someone that has regressed.
Sanchez had 10 fumbles last year and recovered 1 of them.In terms of yards per attempt, Sanchez has dropped each year. That's an extremely bad sign.
 
Here is the thing I am not saying that smart fantasy fans can't be aware of those things. I am saying FBGs should not be talking down the whole team and only speaking from the perception standpoint. Don't get me wrong that all factors in. If people want to believe that Tebow will be the starter by winning the job during the season (obviously not including injury) then go ahaead. But primarily nobody goes into their drafts thinking about perception and that's it. Otherwise Ben Rothlisburger or Eli Manning would be picked in the 1st round of every draft. I am saying their needs to be more realistic balance especially for the people that don't understand they should be draft Keller or Shonn Greene or anyone basically in the Jets offense above their current ADP which is rediculously low. I would say Holmes is the biggest risk on the team and that's the guy who people want to overdraft! Stephen Hill and Chaz Schillens are very good players and we have seen how Plax was easily able to take away from Holmes!

 
2009 53.8% 2444yrds 12tds 20ints 8fum2010 54.8% 3291yrds 17tds 13ints 5fum2011 56.7% 3474yrds 26tds 18ints 4fumI did make one mistake by saying he has improved in ints! But he has improved in TD to INT ratio each year and I believe overall TDs to overall TOs have improved each year. That's not someone that has regressed.
Sanchez had 10 fumbles last year and recovered 1 of them.In terms of yards per attempt, Sanchez has dropped each year. That's an extremely bad sign.
Going from 6.71 to 6.49 to 6.40 in yards per attempt is hardly bad and hardly something that can't be overcome. The great Matt Ryan has went from 7.93 to 6.47 to 6.49 its a number that could really be anywhere. Matt Ryan had a huge drop in yardage in that middle year as well. I am sorry but I am not basing drafting my qb on how if he can recover fumbles. He shouldn't fumble at all. But in previous years his Total TD to Turnovers (since fumbles even if the are recovered usually count negatively in fantasy) have been in the negative with improvment year 1 to year 2. Year 3 he is in the positive overall I believe +4!I am sorry but guys like Bradford, and Fitzpatrick are nice players with solid upside too but they have been all over the place with their production. I would even throw Josh Freeman into that who I really like his total offense and what seems like commitment to improving. But I would probably take Sanchez over any of them. Yes its true if you have 2 avg or so backup qbs its not a good thing. But when those guys have the ability to be much better that has value. Not to mention matchup wise they could put together good games I know not to tart Sanchez vs the Ravens but Cleveland over starting Rothlisburger vs the Ravens I might take those odds!
 
2009 53.8% 2444yrds 12tds 20ints 8fum2010 54.8% 3291yrds 17tds 13ints 5fum2011 56.7% 3474yrds 26tds 18ints 4fumI did make one mistake by saying he has improved in ints! But he has improved in TD to INT ratio each year and I believe overall TDs to overall TOs have improved each year. That's not someone that has regressed.
Sanchez had 10 fumbles last year and recovered 1 of them.In terms of yards per attempt, Sanchez has dropped each year. That's an extremely bad sign.
Going from 6.71 to 6.49 to 6.40 in yards per attempt is hardly bad and hardly something that can't be overcome. The great Matt Ryan has went from 7.93 to 6.47 to 6.49 its a number that could really be anywhere. Matt Ryan had a huge drop in yardage in that middle year as well. I am sorry but I am not basing drafting my qb on how if he can recover fumbles. He shouldn't fumble at all. But in previous years his Total TD to Turnovers (since fumbles even if the are recovered usually count negatively in fantasy) have been in the negative with improvment year 1 to year 2. Year 3 he is in the positive overall I believe +4!I am sorry but guys like Bradford, and Fitzpatrick are nice players with solid upside too but they have been all over the place with their production. I would even throw Josh Freeman into that who I really like his total offense and what seems like commitment to improving. But I would probably take Sanchez over any of them. Yes its true if you have 2 avg or so backup qbs its not a good thing. But when those guys have the ability to be much better that has value. Not to mention matchup wise they could put together good games I know not to tart Sanchez vs the Ravens but Cleveland over starting Rothlisburger vs the Ravens I might take those odds!
Matt Ryan isn't great; that's the problem. And Ryan at least had one good year in there. Sanchez ranked 27th last year in yards per attempt. If you don't think that's a strong concern, I don't know what else there is to say.10 fumbles is a ton. So are 18 interceptions. Those are serious problems.
 
Matt Ryan isn't great; that's the problem. And Ryan at least had one good year in there. Sanchez ranked 27th last year in yards per attempt. If you don't think that's a strong concern, I don't know what else there is to say.

10 fumbles is a ton. So are 18 interceptions. Those are serious problems.

First A LOT of people think Matt Ryan is a great player and a solid starter. Probably outside of most top 10s but 12 is probably the standard now and I know pwoplw that would take him over Roomo or Rothlisburger.

Let's keep it honest tho. I never said the turnovers are not serious problems. I said yards per attempt isn't especially since he doesn't throw deep often, and in comparison to improvment across the board. What I did say about Turnovers is that the ratio to TDs has gone down and is at a positive. That's just to make reference to the football minds and perception. Bottom line is you don't get -6 for a turnover and even realistically it doesn't mean pts for the other team. ITS BAD. But if I had a guy in fantasy that got 40tds and 40TOs I want him on my team. In the real world he would probably be a champion too because ints and TOs arnt nearly the detrement to winning that TDs are helping you win!

 
The perception that Matt Ryan is good comes from the fact that he throws the ball a ton so he puts up solid fantasy numbers. No one should think he's actually a really good quarterback.

And yes, those ypa number ARE bad. In this day and age, 7.0 is the litmus test. Sanchez appears to suck, but I agree that the hype about this situation is overdone.

 
The perception that Matt Ryan is good comes from the fact that he throws the ball a ton so he puts up solid fantasy numbers. No one should think he's actually a really good quarterback.And yes, those ypa number ARE bad. In this day and age, 7.0 is the litmus test. Sanchez appears to suck, but I agree that the hype about this situation is overdone.
I agree I am just saying YPA doesn't tell you if a guy can't play but it def hurts your fantasy value. But my point is the hype is rediculous. Nothing is ever all the same in sports. But Sanchez has never had an elite throw it in that guys direction player. But FBG makes it sound like he is Kevin Kolb throwing to Fitz and gonna lose his job to Skelton
 

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