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Saints explore trading up in the draft

Adam Schefter By Adam Schefter | NFL Network

Bill Parcells and the Miami Dolphins have been unable to find a trading partner for the No. 1 pick. But the St. Louis Rams now have options at No. 2.

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The Saints have made inquiries with the Rams about what it would take to go from New Orleans' scheduled 10th overall pick all the way up to St. Louis' at No. 2.

Based on the antiquated NFL draft point chart, the Rams pick at No. 2 is worth 2,600 points. The Saints pick at No. 10 is worth 1,300, and their second round pick is worth another 490, meaning New Orleans is going to have to come up with more than its two first-day picks.

New Orleans is looking at add a stud defensive player, and it could opt for LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey, a pick that would be enormously popular in that area, or even Ohio State linebacker Vernon Gholston, who would be a terror on the turf in the Superdome.

People who have spoken with the Saints insist the talks are not substantiative, more informal, but the fact that one team has pursued moving up is noteworthy. This year, no team has been willing to move up to Miami's spot at No. 1, even New Orleans. The Saints are unwilling to pay what it would take to satisify the Dolphins or the player picked at No. 1.

In previous years, teams have declined to move into the top 10 picks. The last time there was any type of blockbuster trade was 2004, when the Chargers and Giants were involved in a trade that featured quarterbacks Philip Rivers and Eli Manning.

As interested as the Saints might be in moving up, the Rams are in no rush to relinquish their pick. They recognize that they're going to come away with help for one of their lines -– either Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long or Dorsey.



In an upset, the Rams could always opt for the top-rated player on their board -– running back Darren McFadden. But it's up to the Saints -– or any other team that's interested –- to entice the Rams with an offer that is good enough to get them to surrender the No. 2 overall pick.

Arms Race

Sometime in the first two rounds, Baltimore is expected to draft a quarterback.

Its actions this past week show how intent the Ravens are on upgrading the position.

Within the past week, the Ravens have hosted visits with Michigan quarterback Chad Henne, Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco, and Louisville quarterback Brian Brohm.

As if that weren't enough, the Ravens also privately worked out Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan on Wednesday.

Ryan could go No. 3 to Atlanta, No. 5 to Kansas City, No. 6 to the Jets or No. 8 to Baltimore. However, if the Ravens decide they like Ryan enough, they always could try to trade up for him.

Remember, in 2003, the Ravens tried to trade up to get former Marshall standout Byron Leftwich and then traded a future pick to draft quarterback Kyle Boller in the first round. This year, the Ravens seem just as intent on landing another quarterback.

Back in Denver

One way or another, Denver now seems intent upon upgrading its running game.

On Wednesday, the Broncos hosted a visit with Boston College offensive tackle Gosder Cherilus, who is projected as a mid- to late- first-round pick. Denver has a gaping need at tackle.

On Thursday, the Broncos will have an even more notable visitor. Illinois running back Rashard Mendenhall, whom NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock has rated as his top back in the draft, is scheduled to arrive in Denver. Mike Shanahan never has drafted a running back in the first round in his time as the Broncos head coach.

Picking Mendenhall would give the Broncos the every-down, quality running back they have lacked since trading Clinton Portis to Washington. Denver does have Travis Henry and Selvin Young, but Mendenhall would represent a mix of power and speed that no Broncos back in recent memory has had.

And Denver continued trying to find offensive upgrades on Wednesday, reaching agreement with free-agent wide receiver Darrell Jackson on a one-year, $1.5 million deal that also includes another $500,000 in makeable incentives.

Extra points

» Busy week for Michigan State wide receiver Devin Thomas. He spent Tuesday with the Washington Redskins and will visit the Raiders on Thursday and the Cowboys on Friday.

» Despite the fact that some are questioning his character, teams continue to be interested in Michigan wide receiver Mario Manningham. After visiting Tennessee on Wednesday, Manningham is scheduled to meet with the Raiders on Thursday and the Bengals on Friday.

» Speaking of wide receivers, anyone else noticed who visited the Eagles last week? Thomas, Texas wide receiver Limas Sweed and Cal's DeSean Jackson. After flirting with wide receiver Randy Moss in free agency and bringing in at least three top receiver prospects last week, it's clear the Eagles would like to upgrade their wideouts.

 
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For one everyone here loves him, and for two the team could REALLY use his presence in the middle. If that happened I would be so pumped, but I seriously doubt it will. Especially since there's alot of talk about the Saints giving up their 2nd and Roman Harper for Shockey

 
Schefter has been talking about it for a while. I think he said Jackson's contract is up after next season.

It still seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

 
Schefter has been talking about it for a while. I think he said Jackson's contract is up after next season.It still seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Yes it is (RFA?). I read something from the StL Post-Dispatch a few weeks back that the Rams would like to extend him, but I haven't seen anything else on it.
 
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Schefter has been talking about it for a while. I think he said Jackson's contract is up after next season.It still seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Only problem I see with that is that McFadden couldn't carry Jackson's jock :goodposting:
 
Schefter has been talking about it for a while. I think he said Jackson's contract is up after next season.It still seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Only problem I see with that is that McFadden couldn't carry Jackson's jock :lmao:
You mean the guy who's played a full season once in four years in the NFL? Or the one who rushed for 3,625 yards in 36 games in the defense challenged Pac 10 vs the guy who rushed for 4,485 in 37 games in the SEC? SJax did score 45 TD's in college to McFadden's 49.I'm not saying McFadden is better than SJax, but he's not exactly chopped liver. If we are to take this report as truth, the Rams have him rated as the top player on their board in the whole draft. Some of the McFadden bashing leading up the draft has been surprising.
 
i'm thrilled that there is talk about the saints making a play for an impact player on defense. it shows they have their priorities straight.

 
Schefter has been talking about it for a while. I think he said Jackson's contract is up after next season.It still seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Only problem I see with that is that McFadden couldn't carry Jackson's jock :mellow:
You mean the guy who's played a full season once in four years in the NFL? Or the one who rushed for 3,625 yards in 36 games in the defense challenged Pac 10 vs the guy who rushed for 4,485 in 37 games in the SEC? SJax did score 45 TD's in college to McFadden's 49.I'm not saying McFadden is better than SJax, but he's not exactly chopped liver. If we are to take this report as truth, the Rams have him rated as the top player on their board in the whole draft. Some of the McFadden bashing leading up the draft has been surprising.
Uhhhh I was talking about the guy who has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard season and has scored 36 touchdown in the NFL in those 3 years. You know the guy who had 2334 all purpose yards in 2006.You know the guy who's backup didn't out YPC him in college...the one who carried the complete load. I will be very very surprised if McF is the type of NFL back that Jackson is...he just simply doesn't have the body.Perhaps I went a little overboard with the JOCK comment but to truly think the Rams who have so many holes are thinking of taking McFadden at #2 is just silly. There simply throwing out some bait to see if there are any guppies.
 
Rams are just trying to get someone to jump up and get McF...no way they take him
I agree completely. The Rams are just looking to inflate the value of their pick for teams interested in McFadden. I can't imagine any scenario that they would take McFadden.
 
Keith Rivers will very likely be there when its their turn to pick. I dont think they have to move up this year to get an impact player. The Saints defense needs help pretty much everywhere. If not than maybe Sedrick Ellis slips or they go with DRC. Defensive players in Rounds 1 and 2 are better than one defensive player when a team is so thin.

 
On Thursday, the Broncos will have an even more notable visitor. Illinois running back Rashard Mendenhall, whom NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock has rated as his top back in the draft, is scheduled to arrive in Denver. Mike Shanahan never has drafted a running back in the first round in his time as the Broncos head coach.Picking Mendenhall would give the Broncos the every-down, quality running back they have lacked since trading Clinton Portis to Washington. Denver does have Travis Henry and Selvin Young, but Mendenhall would represent a mix of power and speed that no Broncos back in recent memory has had.
this was the blurb that interested me, can you imagine him in DEN......if he went there, i would think he would be the #1 off all rookie drafts.
 
Schefter has been talking about it for a while. I think he said Jackson's contract is up after next season.It still seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Only problem I see with that is that McFadden couldn't carry Jackson's jock :nerd:
You mean the guy who's played a full season once in four years in the NFL? Or the one who rushed for 3,625 yards in 36 games in the defense challenged Pac 10 vs the guy who rushed for 4,485 in 37 games in the SEC? SJax did score 45 TD's in college to McFadden's 49.I'm not saying McFadden is better than SJax, but he's not exactly chopped liver. If we are to take this report as truth, the Rams have him rated as the top player on their board in the whole draft. Some of the McFadden bashing leading up the draft has been surprising.
'Some of the McFadden bashing leading up the draft has been surprising'.Of course a year from now, everyone will say of course He was the best player and what out question the #1 rook coming at of the 2008 rook class. Of course if you had the 1.01 pick you had to take McFadden that was easy. :wall: I say thanks FBG for having a site like this, so we can all go back and say, wait EBF you said you didn't like Him. :headbang: John who has me on ignore, will say I better go take that ignore off of maroney=Speed. How much longer before the NFL Draft, guys I will have 3 dozen donuts. Coffee as well. I'm sure we will need it.
 
Keith Rivers will very likely be there when its their turn to pick. I dont think they have to move up this year to get an impact player. The Saints defense needs help pretty much everywhere. If not than maybe Sedrick Ellis slips or they go with DRC. Defensive players in Rounds 1 and 2 are better than one defensive player when a team is so thin.
i read earlier this week that the saints canceled the planned visit and workout of Rivers.
 
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.

 
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
 
Put me in the not a fan of McFadden group, in fact I think his college back up will have a better pro career. Thus I gotta believe the Rams are putting up a smoke screen. I would be shocked if they dont take a big boy on either side of the line.

 
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I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
i'm less certain that they will go with a CB pick in R1. I think it's DT or LB.if they make that much discussed play for shockey and harper is part of the deal then i think they'll go safety.
 
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
i'm less certain that they will go with a CB pick in R1. I think it's DT or LB.if they make that much discussed play for shockey and harper is part of the deal then i think they'll go safety.
Safety? At pick #11? That would be a reach.If both Dorsey and Ellis are gone, there's no other DT to take at #11.I think either Rivers or Mayo would be a fine pick at #11.
 
Rams are just trying to get someone to jump up and get McF...no way they take him
I was thinking the exact same thing. And I don't think that the Rams want to move all the way back to 10. I think this is going to drum up interest by the Raiders and the Jets to jump into the two hole. I am all for this as a Rams homer. Particularly if they move back with the Raiders.
 
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
I'm not saying it's "shored up", but why go after and pay 2 LB's in FA if you plan on taking another in the 1st round?If he falls, I would love to see them take Jenkins here.
 
I will say this about the McFadden to the Rams deal. There are more than a couple radio personalities in St. Louis that are pushing for the Rams to move Jackson and draft McF. They seem to think that the Rams can get a first rounder for Jackson and take McF in the first round.

I think a 1st rounder is very optimistic. But stranger things have happened.

SJax was kind of a whiny ##### last season. Complaining about the music at the dome and other trivial stuff and it rankled a bunch of fans and media people. The feeling is that Jackson is not going to resign in St. Louis so the Rams are better of moving him now and grabbing McFadden.

I understand the logic but doubt it happens.

 
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
I'm not saying it's "shored up", but why go after and pay 2 LB's in FA if you plan on taking another in the 1st round?
To hedge your bets. I'm guessing that Morgan's contract makes him easy to cut. If he performs, he stays. Little risk there. But why would you pass on a guy that can help your team (Rivers/Mayo) simply because you're betting that a guy with 27 concussions can stay healthy?
If he falls, I would love to see them take Jenkins here.
It's on the borderline, but one of Jenkins/DRC/McKelvin should be there when the Saints pick.
 
'Some of the McFadden bashing leading up the draft has been surprising'.Of course a year from now, everyone will say of course He was the best player and what out question the #1 rook coming at of the 2008 rook class. Of course if you had the 1.01 pick you had to take McFadden that was easy. :pokey: I say thanks FBG for having a site like this, so we can all go back and say, wait EBF you said you didn't like Him. :pokey: John who has me on ignore, will say I better go take that ignore off of maroney=Speed. How much longer before the NFL Draft, guys I will have 3 dozen donuts. Coffee as well. I'm sure we will need it.
:goodposting: Maybe im just a simple son of a b**** but its pretty hard to argue with a kid who has that kind of production against top competition in the SEC. People want to be contrarian about McFadden for what sound like justified reasons; but if you look at his build, his speed and his productivity across many years against the best competition the college game has to offer, its undeniable that he is a very good RB. If he is a bust, its because he is immature.
 
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Maybe im just a simple son of a b**** but its pretty hard to argue with a kid who has that kind of production against top competition in the SEC. People want to be contrarian about McFadden for what sound like justified reasons; but if you look at his build, his speed and his productivity across many years against the best competition the college game has to offer, its undeniable that he is a very good RB. If he is a bust, its because he is immature.
For one thing, I would hardly classify it as bashing. The guy has questions. I think it's fair to ask them. For another, I keep hearing this SEC argument. I think there are more than enough examples of RBs that dominated every league in the country, and went on to wash out in the NFL.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
gianmarco said:
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
i'm less certain that they will go with a CB pick in R1. I think it's DT or LB.if they make that much discussed play for shockey and harper is part of the deal then i think they'll go safety.
Safety? At pick #11? That would be a reach.If both Dorsey and Ellis are gone, there's no other DT to take at #11.I think either Rivers or Mayo would be a fine pick at #11.
i think they would be happy to switch spots with another team in R1. while mayo is a fine prospect, he's a reach there. if the saints canceled their individual workout/meeting with rivers last week, as was reported, then it seem to point their intent to look elsewhere. this talk about moving up to grab a DT would make a lot of sense...
 
Andy Dufresne said:
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
gianmarco said:
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
i'm less certain that they will go with a CB pick in R1. I think it's DT or LB.if they make that much discussed play for shockey and harper is part of the deal then i think they'll go safety.
Safety? At pick #11? That would be a reach.If both Dorsey and Ellis are gone, there's no other DT to take at #11.I think either Rivers or Mayo would be a fine pick at #11.
i think they would be happy to switch spots with another team in R1. while mayo is a fine prospect, he's a reach there. if the saints canceled their individual workout/meeting with rivers last week, as was reported, then it seem to point their intent to look elsewhere. this talk about moving up to grab a DT would make a lot of sense...
:rolleyes: especially with Mayo being a reach that high.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
gianmarco said:
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
They invested in one guy with a bad knee and another with jello brain. I wouldn't exactly call the position "shored up."Having said that, I don't think Rivers is the right pick either. Trading up for Dorsey would be a good move. Staying where they're at and taking a corner would be good too.
i'm less certain that they will go with a CB pick in R1. I think it's DT or LB.if they make that much discussed play for shockey and harper is part of the deal then i think they'll go safety.
Safety? At pick #11? That would be a reach.If both Dorsey and Ellis are gone, there's no other DT to take at #11.I think either Rivers or Mayo would be a fine pick at #11.
i think they would be happy to switch spots with another team in R1. while mayo is a fine prospect, he's a reach there. if the saints canceled their individual workout/meeting with rivers last week, as was reported, then it seem to point their intent to look elsewhere. this talk about moving up to grab a DT would make a lot of sense...
:goodposting: especially with Mayo being a reach that high.
Yeah, the Saints are in a goofy spot for what they need.
 
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I will say this about the McFadden to the Rams deal. There are more than a couple radio personalities in St. Louis that are pushing for the Rams to move Jackson and draft McF. They seem to think that the Rams can get a first rounder for Jackson and take McF in the first round. I think a 1st rounder is very optimistic. But stranger things have happened.SJax was kind of a whiny ##### last season. Complaining about the music at the dome and other trivial stuff and it rankled a bunch of fans and media people. The feeling is that Jackson is not going to resign in St. Louis so the Rams are better of moving him now and grabbing McFadden. I understand the logic but doubt it happens.
Football talk on the radio stations around here is pretty terrible isn't it. :( I'm sure you watch the Rams as intently as I do and I'm not sure there is a back in the league I'd trade him for. For as poor as this offense/offensive line has been in the last 3 years, he has done some serious damage. / mancrush :hophead:
 
for the umpteenth time, college success does not directly correlate to NFL success . . .

first witness: Reggie Bush . . .

 
gianmarco said:
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
Rivers is a safe bet to become a solid starter. He probably won't be a difference maker, but I'd venture to guess that when the dust settles he'll be a better pro than half the guys picked in the first round. A team could do a lot worse.
 
gianmarco said:
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
Rivers is a safe bet to become a solid starter. He probably won't be a difference maker, but I'd venture to guess that when the dust settles he'll be a better pro than half the guys picked in the first round. A team could do a lot worse.
That's the thing. I think there are difference makers at that point, particularly at CB, which is a need.
 
gianmarco said:
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
Rivers is a safe bet to become a solid starter. He probably won't be a difference maker, but I'd venture to guess that when the dust settles he'll be a better pro than half the guys picked in the first round. A team could do a lot worse.
That's the thing. I think there are difference makers at that point, particularly at CB, which is a need.
leodis is the only guy at CB that seems like an impact player at the spot they're drafting. the problem is that CB is less a position of need than DT or LB.
 
gianmarco said:
I don't get all this talk of Rivers to the Saints. I would hate that pick after already investing in that position in FA.
Rivers is a safe bet to become a solid starter. He probably won't be a difference maker, but I'd venture to guess that when the dust settles he'll be a better pro than half the guys picked in the first round. A team could do a lot worse.
That's the thing. I think there are difference makers at that point, particularly at CB, which is a need.
leodis is the only guy at CB that seems like an impact player at the spot they're drafting. the problem is that CB is less a position of need than DT or LB.
I think Jenkins and DRC are both pretty exceptional talents as well. And while the others may be as big a need if not bigger, I think those 3 are better prospects at their position than the others.
 
I think Jenkins and DRC are both pretty exceptional talents as well. And while the others may be as big a need if not bigger, I think those 3 are better prospects at their position than the others.
From an online chat with Mike Triplett, found on the Times-Pic earlier this week...
timespicayune - MIKE TRIPLETT: I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Saints are in love with Rodgers-Cromartie. In recent years, they have really gotten excited about these high-upside, diamond-in-the-rough types. … But I’m not so sure that’s the smart move with the No. 10 pick in the draft, with a team that is not in rebuilding mode. Rodgers-Cromartie has outstanding natural tools, but scouting reports say he got burned a lot at Tennessee State, and he wasn’t exactly playing against the top level of competition.I personally think the Saints should find a guy who will make an instant impact in this year’s draft. I think they can compete for the NFC Championship this year, especially if they add another difference-maker on defense. … Maybe Rodgers-Cromartie is that guy. But you’re rolling the dice a little more with him than with Troy CB Leodis McKelvin or USC LB Keith Rivers, I think.
Pretty good assessment of the situation.
 
Why would the Saints not make a play for Jared Allen if they need Dline help? Seems to me this would cost less to acquire if it is their true needs.

 
Why would the Saints not make a play for Jared Allen if they need Dline help? Seems to me this would cost less to acquire if it is their true needs.
allen is a DE, right? they have will smith, charles grant and bobby mcray right now. that's a solid trio of DE's. they need some youth, perhaps, at DT.
 

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