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Screw Expert Rankings! (1 Viewer)

It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
Luck is inherent in every game known to mankind, otherwise it wouldn't be a "game". Skill is the players ability to influence the odds more towards his favor, though we know that the element of luck will always be there. Analysis in FF is the skill that will help us to find the best odds play, but we will never eliminate luck, thats a certainty.
Please explain the luck involved in chess. TIA-------------------Expert rankings are intended to be a second opinion of your own thoughts and beliefs. Blind faith in educated opinions is what you end up with if you have no original thoughts or beliefs of your own.
 
It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
Luck is inherent in every game known to mankind, otherwise it wouldn't be a "game". Skill is the players ability to influence the odds more towards his favor, though we know that the element of luck will always be there. Analysis in FF is the skill that will help us to find the best odds play, but we will never eliminate luck, thats a certainty.
Please explain the luck involved in chess. TIA-------------------

Expert rankings are intended to be a second opinion of your own thoughts and beliefs. Blind faith in educated opinions is what you end up with if you have no original thoughts or beliefs of your own.
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It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
Luck is inherent in every game known to mankind, otherwise it wouldn't be a "game". Skill is the players ability to influence the odds more towards his favor, though we know that the element of luck will always be there. Analysis in FF is the skill that will help us to find the best odds play, but we will never eliminate luck, thats a certainty.
There is no "skill" in fantasy football with all of the information available on the internet. 100% luck.
If it were 100% luck this site would probably not exist nor have any subscribors - it would be like paying for winning lottery numbers in the next drawing. What would be the point? If you honestly believe it is 100% luck I dont know why you waste your time here, since any information won't do you any good, anyway. In the leagues I have been in, over the long term, the best Fantasy players usually make the playoffs each year, while the less skilled players are hit and miss. Once you get to the playoffs, then yes, luck does become a big factor due to the head-to-head matchups in most leagues (then it is not the best team that wins, it is just the best team for that given week).
 
Whining and complaining are heightened this time of year. So many folks have big money on the line in various leagues, that's just the way it is.

To the OP, sorry brother. But no one is responsible for losing that set of Steak Knives, except you.

I always tell myself don't get cute this time of year. I'd rather lose with studs than lose on hunches on second rate players.

A guy in my 2 QB league benched Brady, against the Jets. He's kicking himself right now, and out of the playoffs.

Secure the info, draw your own conclusion and decision, and live with it.

 
I never understood people who play fantasy football and base their draft, lineup decisions, waiver moves, etc. off of some "experts". Make a decision for yourself, or find a new hobby.
I dont watch enough or know nearly enough about football to make decisions for myself.I go with the rankings every single week. :confused: It's why I pay whatever it is I pay here. :lmao:
so you participate in a fantasy version of a sport you don't really watch or know anything about, all for the satisfaction of putting check marks next to names that you get off a list made by someone else.sound like buckets of fun.
I said I don't watch enough or know enough. :lmao:

I am a busy man. Playing fantasy football adds some excitement, but it's not as if I spend hours upon hours each week studying game tape and scouring practice squads. I watch maybe a couple of hours of games each week. There is nothing I do in my life that makes me think I know more about football than Dodds or Bloom, or whoever.

And I think most of you fools who think you know more should stop whining and start your own damn site if you think you are that knowledgeable.
Sorry my post probably came off bad. I have yet to see you yelling at the people who work at FBG for ruining your week or your season or whatever, so you are different. I in no way claim or think I know more than the guys who run this site. I just prefer to go with my picks, because that is what I find most enjoyable. I would rather my picks be wrong as long as they are my picks. When they are right they are that much sweeter.
 
You've got to trust yourself and your knowledge of football to go out on a limb and make decisions accordingly
And your success/failure ratio will be pretty much the same as if you had followed someone else's rankings.If you don't understand this then you are one of the last to realize that this is all just a guessing game.
 
About rankings. I used to do them for a local newspaper. You take the top 10 players at each position and just look at the matchups and arrange the order. Of course some studs like ADP, AJ, Brady, Manning, Brees will always be near the top. Anyone who has top ten players at any position in playing them anyway regardles of matchups.

Then you take the next tier and do the same. Due to injuries there will always be the oddball player that makes it higher up in the rankings. Bowe was the #1 WR and got zero points one week. The bottom line is that NOBODY can predict what will happen. Of course I would always brag and list what I was correct about, but never mentioned my blunders.

We just look at players and matchups a take a somewhat educated guess and hope for the best.

 
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aimlessgun said:
A site that ranks and analyzes expert accuracy found that the very best experts are only right about 60% of the time. The FBG guys are among the best, but when the best is 10% better than a coin flip, don't expect miracles.
The 60% figure doesn't include all line-up decisions; it includes only the line-up decisions where experts disagree with each other. Correctly ranking Adrian Peterson higher than Darren Sproles doesn't count. Given the way the scoring works, I think 60% is pretty good. (That said, it does mean that in close decisions, even the best experts will be wrong an awful lot. That's why they're close decisions.)Here's a link to the accuracy scores for this season.

 
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LAbronco said:
Next to experts rankings, there should be a disclaimer ''for entertainment purposes only''Had 2 coinflips last weekend for my High Stakes Fantasy Championship Game...For my 3rd WR(required) the choice was Royal vs Bennet. For TE: M Lewis vs Hernandez,Consulted rankings by the 2 main experts on FBG , also used expert rankings from some of the top 'experts' in FF.Not one expert had Bennett ranked higher than Royal. In fact, Royal's avg ranking was in the low 30s (Sigmund had him in the teens), while Bennett's was low 50s. As for TE, Lewis avg ranking was 7, Hernandez 17. Noone had Hernandez higher than Marcedes. Results: Bennett, 17 pts. Royal 3 pts Hernandez 16 pts, Lewis 6.6 ptsI know i'm ultimately responsible for my lineup decisions. My fault for putting so much faith in the so-called experts. My suggestion to you guys is to find another way to break the tie than to consult rankings..which are very arbitrary. You've got to trust yourself and your knowledge of football to go out on a limb and make decisions accordingly
You lost me at "followed them."
 
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
I never understood people who play fantasy football and base their draft, lineup decisions, waiver moves, etc. off of some "experts". Make a decision for yourself, or find a new hobby.
I watch a lot of NFL football every week. I also try to stay current on all the news relevant to FF — injuries, depth chart moves, etc. Moreover, I do my own projections for every player each week. An awful lot of thought goes into them. In other words, I put a lot of time and effort into fantasy football. (And I'm lucky enough to be part of FBG, so it's not just a hobby.)But when I'm setting my lineups in my own leagues and Dodds and I disagree on a decision, I tend to go with Dodds more often than not — because I know that he takes even more into account than I do! For me, that doesn't detract from the fun. Everyone will draw the line differently regarding what information to use. Some will want to do all of their own analysis, and won't even read opinions by beat writers or NFL analysts. Others will listen to analysts but will not consider other people's rankings or projections. Still others will take everything possible into account, including rankings from other knowledgeable prognosticators.

I don't think there's any inherently right or wrong place to draw that line; it just depends on what gives you the most satisfaction personally. Different people will have different preferences in that regard, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

 
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dennis.moore said:
It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
John Rozek. WCOFF's #1 ranked player in the world.I happened to exchange e-mails with him yesterday. He entered 4 high stakes contest leagues. He won 3 of those leagues, and is contending for the big $ in all of them including in the 4th.Yeah, it is all luck. Suckers like you line John's pocket.Hijack over.
 
dennis.moore said:
It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
John Rozek. WCOFF's #1 ranked player in the world.I happened to exchange e-mails with him yesterday. He entered 4 high stakes contest leagues. He won 3 of those leagues, and is contending for the big $ in all of them including in the 4th.Yeah, it is all luck. Suckers like you line John's pocket.Hijack over.
LOL @ ranking fantasy football players.Thanks, I need the laugh.
 
dennis.moore said:
It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
John Rozek. WCOFF's #1 ranked player in the world.I happened to exchange e-mails with him yesterday. He entered 4 high stakes contest leagues. He won 3 of those leagues, and is contending for the big $ in all of them including in the 4th.Yeah, it is all luck. Suckers like you line John's pocket.Hijack over.
Post Rozeks teams if you have access. Would love too see the Gurus picks and what rd he made the picks.
 
aimlessgun said:
A site that ranks and analyzes expert accuracy found that the very best experts are only right about 60% of the time. The FBG guys are among the best, but when the best is 10% better than a coin flip, don't expect miracles.
The 60% figure doesn't include all line-up decisions; it includes only the line-up decisions where experts disagree with each other. Correctly ranking Adrian Peterson higher than Darren Sproles doesn't count. Given the way the scoring works, I think 60% is pretty good. (That said, it does mean that in close decisions, even the best experts will be wrong an awful lot. That's why they're close decisions.)Here's a link to the accuracy scores for this season.
Ah that's true. My post was deliberately simple, and it does misrepresent the 60% figure. I wonder if it would be fun for them to create a web app where you could submit your rankings for the week and have it run through their algorithm to compare with the experts. For all the people who say rely only on your own opinions :wub:

 
I've got a new strategy for you. Always play your lower ranked players based on the experts. Report back in next year...

 
I think there are several problems with trying to rely on the expert rankings.

Usually they are done prior to practices, news, weather information, etc. are available for the predicted game.

Also, they generalize the rankings based on a scoring system that would be considered typical, and not necessarily your exact system.

The rankings, and to me, the explainations behind them are very important and give me great information to think about how a game is going to unfold and how the players may react given different scenarios. At the end, you take all that information you churned through your head for the week, adjust for any last minute news, and start your best team.

Maybe one of the "experts" can chime in here to help answer this question, which predictions are more accurate for each of you, your FF projections or your picks against the spread? Is there a direct correlation, when your FF projections are good your picks are good as well, which would be my assumption, or have you ever noticed?

 
one last thing.

Alot of posters have made the assumption i'm whining about projections Not quite. I'm whining about rankings. I never put any stock into actual projections because there are too many variables that determine a players final statistical outcome. However, rankings , are a determination of the statistical order the player will finish with respect to his position. Rankings(Royal at #31 WR) always have more merit to me because projections(Royal catching 5 passes for 60 yds and .5 td) are too hard to predict....
:bag: Show me a site that has everyone ranked correctly? No? Right. Therefore, you made a mistake, you didn't do your own research and you made the wrong choice.
why would someone who doesn't follow FF that closely possibly think his own "gut" feeling would be better than an experts advice?
 
one last thing.

Alot of posters have made the assumption i'm whining about projections Not quite. I'm whining about rankings. I never put any stock into actual projections because there are too many variables that determine a players final statistical outcome. However, rankings , are a determination of the statistical order the player will finish with respect to his position. Rankings(Royal at #31 WR) always have more merit to me because projections(Royal catching 5 passes for 60 yds and .5 td) are too hard to predict....
This doesn't change anything. You really should stop whining. And find a new hobby.
 
LAbronco said:
Next to experts rankings, there should be a disclaimer ''for entertainment purposes only''Had 2 coinflips last weekend for my High Stakes Fantasy Championship Game...For my 3rd WR(required) the choice was Royal vs Bennet. For TE: M Lewis vs Hernandez,Consulted rankings by the 2 main experts on FBG , also used expert rankings from some of the top 'experts' in FF.Not one expert had Bennett ranked higher than Royal. In fact, Royal's avg ranking was in the low 30s (Sigmund had him in the teens), while Bennett's was low 50s. As for TE, Lewis avg ranking was 7, Hernandez 17. Noone had Hernandez higher than Marcedes. Results: Bennett, 17 pts. Royal 3 pts Hernandez 16 pts, Lewis 6.6 ptsI know i'm ultimately responsible for my lineup decisions. My fault for putting so much faith in the so-called experts. My suggestion to you guys is to find another way to break the tie than to consult rankings..which are very arbitrary. You've got to trust yourself and your knowledge of football to go out on a limb and make decisions accordingly
Was following the expert rankings what got you to your championship game? Serious question.
 
Chris Johnson and Peyton Hillis each scored 3 points for me last week, while Chris Ivory sat on my bench scoring 26. Damn FBG expert rankings!! Thank the heavens I won or I'd have been starting my own little whiny thread about it.

 
There's really a lot that goes in to quality rankings. And FBG does a pretty good job of it, for the most part. But if you feel like you have a good idea how a game is going to go, you should go with your instincts, not the rankings.
You said a lot of good things there Fred and what really sticks out to me is the bolded part.

If you feel confident about how a certain team does things, then you need to use that knowledge to your advantage, not look to someone else who may not know any more than you in a specfic area. For example, I was just reading the other day in the upgrades and downgrades for WR's they had Miles Austin downgraded this week. I was like NO WAY is he downgraded. I understand he hasn't been over 50 yards in awhile receiving, but Dez Bryant is out and after this week, I love his passing matchups the next 2 weeks. Whether FBG ranks him 5 or 35, he will be in my lineup.

The reason I brought this up is I feel pretty confident in my knowledge about Cowboy players and how they will do things. I'm not always right either, even with what I know about the Cowboys but I'll live with it.

If you don't know a lot about the Denver running game, or who's the 3 WR on St. Louis, then maybe listening to the experts in this case would be worthwhile.

If you want to listen to the experts on everything, then make a deal with yourself. Win or lose you're fine with it. I'm sure they made some good picks for you during the season, which is probably why you listened to them here in the first place.

 
I think there are several problems with trying to rely on the expert rankings. Usually they are done prior to practices, news, weather information, etc. are available for the predicted game.Also, they generalize the rankings based on a scoring system that would be considered typical, and not necessarily your exact system.
Neither of these factors is true with FBG. They update their rankings daily from Wednesday through Sunday morning. In addition, the rankings can easily be customized based on your precise scoring system (multiple different ones if you need them) . Hell, it even highlights YOUR players in the projections to make it easier. :thumbup: to FBG.
 
LAbronco said:
Next to experts rankings, there should be a disclaimer ''for entertainment purposes only''

Had 2 coinflips last weekend for my High Stakes Fantasy Championship Game...

For my 3rd WR(required) the choice was Royal vs Bennet. For TE: M Lewis vs Hernandez,

Consulted rankings by the 2 main experts on FBG , also used expert rankings from some of the top 'experts' in FF.

Not one expert had Bennett ranked higher than Royal. In fact, Royal's avg ranking was in the low 30s (Sigmund had him in the teens), while Bennett's was low 50s. As for TE, Lewis avg ranking was 7, Hernandez 17. Noone had Hernandez higher than Marcedes.

Results: Bennett, 17 pts. Royal 3 pts

Hernandez 16 pts, Lewis 6.6 pts

I know i'm ultimately responsible for my lineup decisions. My fault for putting so much faith in the so-called experts.

My suggestion to you guys is to find another way to break the tie than to consult rankings..which are very arbitrary.

You've got to trust yourself and your knowledge of football to go out on a limb and make decisions accordingly
Was following the expert rankings what got you to your championship game? Serious question.
:thumbup:

 
dennis.moore said:
It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
John Rozek. WCOFF's #1 ranked player in the world.I happened to exchange e-mails with him yesterday. He entered 4 high stakes contest leagues. He won 3 of those leagues, and is contending for the big $ in all of them including in the 4th.Yeah, it is all luck. Suckers like you line John's pocket.Hijack over.
LOL @ ranking fantasy football players.Thanks, I need the laugh.
Don't forget to laugh when John is cashing his minimum $20,000.
 
dennis.moore said:
It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
John Rozek. WCOFF's #1 ranked player in the world.I happened to exchange e-mails with him yesterday. He entered 4 high stakes contest leagues. He won 3 of those leagues, and is contending for the big $ in all of them including in the 4th.Yeah, it is all luck. Suckers like you line John's pocket.Hijack over.
LOL @ ranking fantasy football players.Thanks, I need the laugh.
Don't forget to laugh when John is cashing his minimum $20,000.
:thumbdown: :lmao: :lmao: I just found this in searching this dude's name.
“I have watched John compete for years and have recently competed against him on numerous occasions. He’s really at the top of the game.” said Scott Atkins, President of the Fantasy Players Association.
 
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
I never understood people who play fantasy football and base their draft, lineup decisions, waiver moves, etc. off of some "experts". Make a decision for yourself, or find a new hobby.
I use several different rankings as a guide but when I have a gut feeling I make the final decison. These experts have more resources and time to determine why certain players should do well. In a way its kind of dumb not to at least look at their rankings and consider them.
 
Looking at weekly rankings/cheetsheets does nothing but put "doubt" in your mind and lead you down an ugly road of wrong choices...
im pretty sure theres never been a time where i was convinced of a decision and then benefited from looking at rankings.when it comes to coinflips, the rankings might be useful but who knows.unfortunately in this situation these were not coinflips this is just annoying whining from people who talk about players on their bench blowing up that they never even considered starting.
bullpucky. you don't know what the h#ll you're talking about, clearly.Total coinflip. Bennett and Royal had been equally inconsitent, with both coming off good weeks the week before. Both healthy vs good matchups. Bennett was appealling in the matchup vs the Lions, since the Chic OL although better is shaky and the Lions have had a better than avg pass rush at home. Didn't look like a great spot to start Hester and poss Knox as slow-developing routes are usually rarely successful against such a Defense. Figured it was going to be a good day for Forte and Bennett, and poss Olsen.Royal had a lingering hip/groin injury thru the middle of the season, which he looks to have bounced back from, nearly 100 % . He wasn't on the inj report and had a big week the week before. Orton vs Cassell figured to be a point-fest , as the last time they met, but 10-6? Who knew? Orton threw for 300 yds and 4td's last time they met, had his worst week in the season by far vs KC last week, but u don't see my 'crying' about starting Orton.There's a site that ranks the experts picks every week and i believe Dodds is #2 overall for the season , according to that site. I filtered picks from experts who were 'top rated' overall and for the WR position, as well as used Dodds and Blooms rankings. Just disappointed looking back that Bennett wasn't given his due and ranked closer to Royal. Don't tell me i blew it by not doing my research. Consulting 'experts picks' is just that, and isn't the be all , end all, it's what i'll do when in a coinflip decision. I'm not the one making a living acquiring and accessing mountains of info, then filtering it out to my subscribers.
 
You need to understand that the weekly projection is just a point estimate....a median of the outcomes that could occur. Every player in a single week has a large range of outcomes that can occur. For example, let's take Tom Brady......FBG may project him for 20 points in a week. But his 95% confidence interval is likely 8-35......meaning 95% of the time, Brady will score between 8 points and 35 points. You don't know what's actually going to happen.....NE may decide to run the ball that week, maybe because their defense/special teams scores a couple of TDs and they get up early.....in this scenario, Brady may throw for 200, no TDs and 1 int. On the other hand, you could get the Jets game where Brady shredded the Jets D to 300 yards and 4 TDs. Now whether Brady's actual 95% range is 8-35 can be debated, but it's the concept that matters.

All you can do is make the best decision that gives you the chance to score the most points, and see what happens. Blindly following someone else's rankings is foolish IMO. It's just David Dodds' or Sigmund Bloom's opinion.....yours can be different.

When making a decision between 2 closely ranked players, I look into my matchup. Am I the favorite or the underdog? If I am the underdog, then I want to start the player than has the ability to put up the big week, even if that means that the player tanks a decent amount of the time. If I am the favorite, then I want the player that's more consistent and bank those points.....trying to protect my advantage.

 
LAbronco said:
Looking at weekly rankings/cheetsheets does nothing but put "doubt" in your mind and lead you down an ugly road of wrong choices...
im pretty sure theres never been a time where i was convinced of a decision and then benefited from looking at rankings.when it comes to coinflips, the rankings might be useful but who knows.unfortunately in this situation these were not coinflips this is just annoying whining from people who talk about players on their bench blowing up that they never even considered starting.
bullpucky. you don't know what the h#ll you're talking about, clearly.Total coinflip. Bennett and Royal had been equally inconsitent, with both coming off good weeks the week before. Both healthy vs good matchups. Bennett was appealling in the matchup vs the Lions, since the Chic OL although better is shaky and the Lions have had a better than avg pass rush at home. Didn't look like a great spot to start Hester and poss Knox as slow-developing routes are usually rarely successful against such a Defense. Figured it was going to be a good day for Forte and Bennett, and poss Olsen.Royal had a lingering hip/groin injury thru the middle of the season, which he looks to have bounced back from, nearly 100 % . He wasn't on the inj report and had a big week the week before. Orton vs Cassell figured to be a point-fest , as the last time they met, but 10-6? Who knew? Orton threw for 300 yds and 4td's last time they met, had his worst week in the season by far vs KC last week, but u don't see my 'crying' about starting Orton.There's a site that ranks the experts picks every week and i believe Dodds is #2 overall for the season , according to that site. I filtered picks from experts who were 'top rated' overall and for the WR position, as well as used Dodds and Blooms rankings. Just disappointed looking back that Bennett wasn't given his due and ranked closer to Royal. Don't tell me i blew it by not doing my research. Consulting 'experts picks' is just that, and isn't the be all , end all, it's what i'll do when in a coinflip decision. I'm not the one making a living acquiring and accessing mountains of info, then filtering it out to my subscribers.
Total coinflip, but you fully expect them to have given you the right answer. Do you have any idea how absurd you sound?
 
one last thing.

Alot of posters have made the assumption i'm whining about projections Not quite. I'm whining about rankings. I never put any stock into actual projections because there are too many variables that determine a players final statistical outcome. However, rankings , are a determination of the statistical order the player will finish with respect to his position. Rankings(Royal at #31 WR) always have more merit to me because projections(Royal catching 5 passes for 60 yds and .5 td) are too hard to predict....
I always assume the rankings are based on projections so I look at the projections and judge more by relative point differences between players. Makes me understand at least why players are valued as such... pass catching, td-likelihood, etc. I rarely look at the rankings since my different leagues all score differently. It also lets me make gut calls better if they are ranked within a point of one another. I can pick a 15th ranked WR because he's within a point of a 7th... and my prognostication allows me to do that (makes ff more fun too).So since you don't like the ranking, maybe you should start looking more at the proj.

 
It is all luck anyway. Luck just didn't swing to your side.
John Rozek. WCOFF's #1 ranked player in the world.I happened to exchange e-mails with him yesterday. He entered 4 high stakes contest leagues. He won 3 of those leagues, and is contending for the big $ in all of them including in the 4th.

Yeah, it is all luck. Suckers like you line John's pocket.

Hijack over.
Here's an article about the No. 1 fantasy football player in the world.
 
Next to experts rankings, there should be a disclaimer ''for entertainment purposes only''Had 2 coinflips last weekend for my High Stakes Fantasy Championship Game...For my 3rd WR(required) the choice was Royal vs Bennet. For TE: M Lewis vs Hernandez,Consulted rankings by the 2 main experts on FBG , also used expert rankings from some of the top 'experts' in FF.Not one expert had Bennett ranked higher than Royal. In fact, Royal's avg ranking was in the low 30s (Sigmund had him in the teens), while Bennett's was low 50s. As for TE, Lewis avg ranking was 7, Hernandez 17. Noone had Hernandez higher than Marcedes. Results: Bennett, 17 pts. Royal 3 pts Hernandez 16 pts, Lewis 6.6 ptsI know i'm ultimately responsible for my lineup decisions. My fault for putting so much faith in the so-called experts. My suggestion to you guys is to find another way to break the tie than to consult rankings..which are very arbitrary. You've got to trust yourself and your knowledge of football to go out on a limb and make decisions accordingly
Expert rankings >>> your gutYou lost because you were beat by a better team. Get over it.
 
Yep and the experts had Tamme atop the TE rankings... IMO, I never trust the likes of Rotoworld rankings for they are hardly ever in the ballpark. Go with your gut....

 
I never understood people who play fantasy football and base their draft, lineup decisions, waiver moves, etc. off of some "experts". Make a decision for yourself, or find a new hobby.
I use several different rankings as a guide but when I have a gut feeling I make the final decison. These experts have more resources and time to determine why certain players should do well. In a way its kind of dumb not to at least look at their rankings and consider them.
:goodposting: Exactly. Funny, how it's considered pedestrian to defer to esteemed experts (those who have fared extremely well vs other experts) when in a coinflip situation. Of course i'll make most determinations on my own, but there are those coinflip decisions where you can't seem to breakthrough on a decision, so in this case, why not defer to a guy like Dodds and Bloom, who make make their living writing about this stuff, and who are considered among the most accurate of all the pros when it comes to rankings?
 

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