Seahawk Quarterback (1 Viewer)

[nikshatnt]

I believe that Russell Wilson will show in the preseason that he is too talented and gives the team the best chance

to not be the starter this year. And it starts tonight.

 

[Abraham]

I think Matt flynn wins this job going away and gets a big extension in the offseason, derailing the Wilson train for good.

 

[finito]

And I think Tarvaris Jackson will cement himself as the.... nope, just can't do it.

 

[Sabertooth]

And I think Tarvaris Jackson will cement himself as the.... nope, just can't do it.

Lol....I'll take Josh Portis!

 

[Raider Nation]

Don't sleep on Jim Zorn.

 

[Sabertooth]

Basically I see in Matt Flynn a Chad Pennington type of talent. He's not great physically, which is why he slipped in the draft. He has developed into a decent field general apparently but his leadership is rivalled by Wilson's. If Pete Carroll was sold on Flynn, why the charade?

I think Carroll hopes that Wilson can overtake Flynn. Because face it, a good player with great tools is more valuable than a good player with limited tools. Wilson has a great arm. He is a natural leader. And he's only started a few less games than Flynn has in his career. I'm on board.

 

[Abraham]

Interesting that you have concluded Flynn has "limited tools.".

 

[nikshatnt]

Interesting that you have concluded Flynn has "limited tools.".

who did Seattle get first? Flynn in free agency or Wilson in the draft? They have an owner with deep pockets ala C. Whitehurst who allows the front office to gamble on players. Flynn gets sacked way too much in his limited playing time and his huge game last year was against Detroit in a shootout.. Wilson has special skills.

 

[Captain Hook]

Basically I see in Matt Flynn a Chad Pennington type of talent. He's not great physically, which is why he slipped in the draft. He has developed into a decent field general apparently but his leadership is rivalled by Wilson's. If Pete Carroll was sold on Flynn, why the charade? I think Carroll hopes that Wilson can overtake Flynn. Because face it, a good player with great tools is more valuable than a good player with limited tools. Wilson has a great arm. He is a natural leader. And he's only started a few less games than Flynn has in his career. I'm on board.

That is a lot of supposition that I don't see the basis for.Carroll wants to see the best out of each candidate so even if he has/had made up his mind he wouldn't tell those guys (or anyone else in the era of instant information)I do think Wilson will eventually be a starting QB but I don't think it will be at the start of the season - seems like the $/talent/opportunity says Flynn - at least until he proves otherwise - which btw is possible he could just be the next Kolb

 

[Sabertooth]

Basically I see in Matt Flynn a Chad Pennington type of talent. He's not great physically, which is why he slipped in the draft. He has developed into a decent field general apparently but his leadership is rivalled by Wilson's. If Pete Carroll was sold on Flynn, why the charade? I think Carroll hopes that Wilson can overtake Flynn. Because face it, a good player with great tools is more valuable than a good player with limited tools. Wilson has a great arm. He is a natural leader. And he's only started a few less games than Flynn has in his career. I'm on board.

That is a lot of supposition that I don't see the basis for.Carroll wants to see the best out of each candidate so even if he has/had made up his mind he wouldn't tell those guys (or anyone else in the era of instant information)I do think Wilson will eventually be a starting QB but I don't think it will be at the start of the season - seems like the $/talent/opportunity says Flynn - at least until he proves otherwise - which btw is possible he could just be the next Kolb

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

 

[Sabertooth]

Interesting that you have concluded Flynn has "limited tools.".

If you have the ability, go back and watch the Lions game. He does not zip the ball. He kind of shot puts it many times. I don't think that is going to fly against the 49ers D.

 

[Raider Nation]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

The things you said about brees are all said of Wilson fwiw.

 

[Bruno Tataglia]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

The things you said about brees are all said of Wilson fwiw.

People say I'm as good at acting as Daniel Day-Lewis, but I haven't actually tried it yet.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

The things you said about brees are all said of Wilson fwiw.

People say I'm as good at acting as Daniel Day-Lewis, but I haven't actually tried it yet.

Maybe that would be funny if I actually knew who u were talking about

 

[djmich]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

The things you said about brees are all said of Wilson fwiw.

People say I'm as good at acting as Daniel Day-Lewis, but I haven't actually tried it yet.

I like a good analogy as much as the next guy, but this was just terrible.

 

[massraider]

They have an owner with deep pockets ala C. Whitehurst who allows the front office to gamble on players.

This isn't soccer. There is a cap on what teams can spend on players. The Seahawks owner having more money than the Steelers or Giants owner doesn't matter.

 

[djmich]

They have an owner with deep pockets ala C. Whitehurst who allows the front office to gamble on players.

This isn't soccer. There is a cap on what teams can spend on players. The Seahawks owner having more money than the Steelers or Giants owner doesn't matter.

This isn't totally true. Just because there is a cap doesn't mean that all teams have similar fiscal policy. Because their is a cap do you think Paul Brown is going to blow cash and spend up to it?

 

[Raider Nation]

They have an owner with deep pockets ala C. Whitehurst who allows the front office to gamble on players.

This isn't soccer. There is a cap on what teams can spend on players. The Seahawks owner having more money than the Steelers or Giants owner doesn't matter.

This isn't totally true. Just because there is a cap doesn't mean that all teams have similar fiscal policy. Because their is a cap do you think Paul Brown is going to blow cash and spend up to it?

I don't think Paul Brown is blowing anything these days.

 

[djmich]

They have an owner with deep pockets ala C. Whitehurst who allows the front office to gamble on players.

This isn't soccer. There is a cap on what teams can spend on players. The Seahawks owner having more money than the Steelers or Giants owner doesn't matter.

This isn't totally true. Just because there is a cap doesn't mean that all teams have similar fiscal policy. Because their is a cap do you think Paul Brown is going to blow cash and spend up to it?

I don't think Paul Brown is blowing anything these days.

lol, thats true. Mike

 

[drater]

Interesting that you have concluded Flynn has "limited tools.".

He didn't manage to beat out Jamarcus Russell for a starting gig in college. That says something...

Interesting that you have concluded Flynn has "limited tools.".

If you have the ability, go back and watch the Lions game. He does not zip the ball. He kind of shot puts it many times. I don't think that is going to fly against the 49ers D.

Not to mention that because of injuries, that Lions secondary was substantially less talented than most of the SEC secondaries he watched from the sidelines.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

Just a guy who managed to dominate two BCS conferences in back to back seasons while learning a completely new offense at the second one. I'm not going to predict he's the next Brees (that's a physical comparison only, if Wilson stood 6'5 who would we be comparing him to?) but his college comparables (completion %, games started, win-loss record) certainly alludes to him having elite potential.At this point, I think Flynn wins the job and plays well as a game manager. I've been watching a lot of Seahawks training camp footage from the seahawks.com live feed, Flynn looks fine until he tries to go downfield, he lacks the velocity to drive the ball into tight windows further than ~15 yards. On the plus side, his ability to recognize pre-snap defensive alignments, progress quickly thru his reads, play action fakes, look the safeties off and get the ball out quick makes me think he can achieve a modicum of success with a strong running game.

 

[Shutout]

Said it before, say it again:

For the Seahawks to come out this off-season and act like (and say) that they think they have three guys, tells you that one of two things are true:

1)They have no clue on how to assess the QB position at the pro level (they had Jackson all year last year, saw what he is, then got two new QBs as soon as they could and somehow have the guts to say they think he can be "the guy"?...C'mon. If you truly believe that, why put your resources into developing a part of the team that you think is already developed or ok?)

2)They are falling victin to the old saying, akin to basketball...when you say you have three centers, that means you have none.

I like Wilson in college..Love the intangibles. But I think comparing him to Brees is rediculous. For every Brees with a high release point and extremely long arms and all HIS intangibles, there are 100 short guys (like the Saints current backup QB) that proves every time they get out there that passing over those TALL linemen is a problem, moving to find windows and lanes is a problem, that other teams can successfully use that impairment against those guys.

Jackson is a joke. I'd rather have HASS back right now, despite the age.

Flynn has been taught well and has shown he can play. He's not orthodox and gets dinged for not having this rocket arm and this and that but, hey, Tebow isn't orthodox...Montana didn't have a rocket arm (but like Flynn, has good accuracy). I think its apparent that Flynn is the best play for the Seahawks right now and he should be being given the reps so he can get in sync with his team. Having 2 or 3 guys out there every other day doesn't help the team.

 

[Hooper31]

Jackson is a joke.

He was 7-7 last year playing hurt. That's a joke? I get that he's nobody's model of a franchise quarterback, but you're exaggerating here. As far as a new "era". They started a new era last year. They're starting one this year. I won't be shocked to see them starting another one next year.

 

[bonesman]

Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

I can't stand that scientist dude... but he's right, that is what is always said about Wilson... plus he can make every throw and is a superb leader and immaculate prepper. Oh, and the uncanny accuracy and anticipation... that is very Brees like to me.Maybe I missed the sarcasm and you were trying to be funny?

 

[Raider Nation]

Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

I can't stand that scientist dude... but he's right, that is what is always said about Wilson... plus he can make every throw and is a superb leader and immaculate prepper. Oh, and the uncanny accuracy and anticipation... that is very Brees like to me.Maybe I missed the sarcasm and you were trying to be funny?

What possible hint of sarcasm could you have gleaned from my quote.As soon as he compares to Drew Brees on an NFL field because of anything other than height, I'll come back and sing his praises.Until then, it's just speculation. Heath Shuler was pretty smart coming out of college also.

 

[bonesman]

Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

I can't stand that scientist dude... but he's right, that is what is always said about Wilson... plus he can make every throw and is a superb leader and immaculate prepper. Oh, and the uncanny accuracy and anticipation... that is very Brees like to me.Maybe I missed the sarcasm and you were trying to be funny?

What possible hint of sarcasm could you have gleaned from my quote.As soon as he compares to Drew Brees on an NFL field because of anything other than height, I'll come back and sing his praises.Until then, it's just speculation. Heath Shuler was pretty smart coming out of college also.

None, but it was so off base I thought it should have been. People don't compare Wilson to Brees because of height... it's first and foremost because of ACCURACY (who's Big 10 completion percentage record did Wilson break last year?)Then the stuff about high release point and finding lanes, as if that set Brees apart from Wilson. It's LOL funy.But you're right though in your general premise, given what Brees has accomplished in the NFL there's no comparing the two as QBs right now

 

[Childress]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Surprised this hasn't been bumped yet. Good night for both Flynn and Wilson so far, but Wilson with 2 TD's (1 Passing, 1 Rushing). Both have thrown an INT.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm not gonna hate just for the sake of hating. It was a promising first effort.

He threw a terrible interception right into a LB's hands which resulted in a touchback. Very unlike him.

The good news is... that's the only bad news.

He showed good poise and accuracy, which is no surprise. Seattle was determined to roll the pocket to get him room to throw on the move. Smart. He showed great feet and speed, including the final TD as I'm typing this.

The TD to Braylon was a 50/50 ball... let's be honest. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he lobbed the ball up for grabs because he was confident that Edwards would win the matchup. Other than that, all positive. Crisp throws and calm demeanor.

Now, he played mostly against scrubs, but he also played mostly with scrubs. So that's a wash.

I'd like to see him start one of these preseason games, but I don't know if that's in the cards. If Flynn continues to play unspectacular football, anything is possible. But I still think Wilson sits and watches all year, barring injury.

 

[werdnoynek]

i think this is to be continued. wilson looked better imo. also, it looked like a completely different offense when wilson was in - more play action and long shots. when flynn was in it was precision and quick passes.

 

[mad sweeney]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

More Flutie than Brees IMO, but Wilson has the high release and football IQ (at similar points in their careers). Bree's finds more room in the pocket because he's slow, Wilson has better feet and can be a threat outside the pocket in a way Bree's cant even dream. Height isn't as much of a factor outside the pocket. Not projecting Wilson to being an MVP or HoFer or having his own cereal, but there are many factors, both physical and especially mental, that invite comparisons to great QBs that are smaller.

 

[mad sweeney]

Jackson is a joke.

He was 7-7 last year playing hurt. That's a joke? I get that he's nobody's model of a franchise quarterback, but you're exaggerating here. As far as a new "era". They started a new era last year. They're starting one this year. I won't be shocked to see them starting another one next year.

They started their new era two years ago, this is phase 3 of the era wherein they find a QB to slide into the team they built around a vacant QB position. Jackson and white hurst were bookmarks, tackling dummies while the FO rebuilt a seriously talent deficient team. Both those guys were on 2 year deals and both were replaced after one. I've said it before, but anyone who thinks that PC and JS actually thought those two guys had a long term place on the team weren't paying attention and falling for coach speak.

 

[Raider Nation]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

More Flutie than Brees IMO, but Wilson has the high release and football IQ (at similar points in their careers). Bree's finds more room in the pocket because he's slow, Wilson has better feet and can be a threat outside the pocket in a way Bree's cant even dream. Height isn't as much of a factor outside the pocket. Not projecting Wilson to being an MVP or HoFer or having his own cereal, but there are many factors, both physical and especially mental, that invite comparisons to great QBs that are smaller.

I guess I'm just a bit offended at Wilson being compared to a Super Bowl-winning future Hall of Famer before he ever takes a snap. And I'm not just picking on Wilson in particular. I don't think it's fair to Luck to be compared to Peyton Manning either. But on some level I understand that's what we do... compare people based on style.I'd be on Wilson in a dynasty, but he's not on my radar in redrafts. Hope he works out for you guys.

 

[bonesman]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

More Flutie than Brees IMO, but Wilson has the high release and football IQ (at similar points in their careers). Bree's finds more room in the pocket because he's slow, Wilson has better feet and can be a threat outside the pocket in a way Bree's cant even dream. Height isn't as much of a factor outside the pocket. Not projecting Wilson to being an MVP or HoFer or having his own cereal, but there are many factors, both physical and especially mental, that invite comparisons to great QBs that are smaller.

I guess I'm just a bit offended at Wilson being compared to a Super Bowl-winning future Hall of Famer before he ever takes a snap. And I'm not just picking on Wilson in particular. I don't think it's fair to Luck to be compared to Peyton Manning either. But on some level I understand that's what we do... compare people based on style.I'd be on Wilson in a dynasty, but he's not on my radar in redrafts. Hope he works out for you guys.

Pretend you don't know everything about Brees and compare their resumes coming into the league against each other. You'll find that Mr. Wilson actually surpasses Brees in many ways at THAT point in their career. Obviously Brees is one of THE best guys at the quarterback position in the NFL right now and possibly ever. Russel Wilson has no business sniffing his jock right now. But if you look at them when the were both coming out of college from the big 10... the comparison isn't quite as insane. But Brees broke the yardage record last year so come the fk on. I wish I could say something about his performance tonight, but I haven't seen it yet, just the stat line so i'll just say this.... ACCURACY!!!!!

 

[bonesman]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

More Flutie than Brees IMO, but Wilson has the high release and football IQ (at similar points in their careers). Bree's finds more room in the pocket because he's slow, Wilson has better feet and can be a threat outside the pocket in a way Bree's cant even dream. Height isn't as much of a factor outside the pocket. Not projecting Wilson to being an MVP or HoFer or having his own cereal, but there are many factors, both physical and especially mental, that invite comparisons to great QBs that are smaller.

I guess I'm just a bit offended at Wilson being compared to a Super Bowl-winning future Hall of Famer before he ever takes a snap. And I'm not just picking on Wilson in particular. I don't think it's fair to Luck to be compared to Peyton Manning either. But on some level I understand that's what we do... compare people based on style.I'd be on Wilson in a dynasty, but he's not on my radar in redrafts. Hope he works out for you guys.

Pretend you don't know everything about Brees and compare their resumes coming into the league against each other. You'll find that Mr. Wilson actually surpasses Brees in many ways at THAT point in their career. Obviously Brees is one of THE best guys at the quarterback position in the NFL right now and possibly ever. Russel Wilson has no business sniffing his jock right now. But if you look at them when they were both coming out of college from the big 10... the comparison isn't quite as insane. But Brees broke the yardage record last year so come the fk on. I wish I could say something about his performance tonight, but I haven't seen it yet, just the stat line so i'll just say this.... ACCURACY!!!!!

 

[Sabertooth]

Flynn could be the next Kolb, but he could be the next Hass too. We don't know. But none of that even matters if Wilson can be the next Brees

I have to laugh every time I hear this comparison. He has a chance to be Brees because, what... their height is similar?Brees is a master at sliding and stepping up in the pocket to find throwing lanes. And his lack of height is offset by the fact that he release point is extraordinarily high. Then factor in his football IQ, which is off the charts.

Wilson is just a guy. Sorry.

 

[duaneok66]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

 

[Jackal King]

As a Wilson dynasty owner, I was happy with his effort in game 1.

But, I thought Flynn looked better. I would be surprised if Seattle doesn't start the season with Flynn.

But, I don't think he'll have a really long leash.

 

[habsfan]

Having 2 or 3 guys out there every other day doesn't help the team.

As a fan, I'm pretty tired of how they've handled this. I get that you want guys to compete for their jobs and have other guys to push them but this is your QB. Give somebody the job, optimize his situation in terms of preparing for this season and move on. If he falters, go to the next guy.

 

[drater]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

I'd be surprised if Wilson didn't get the next start to run with the ones, considering how Carroll has played this out. And then Flynn will start the "critical" third game of the pre-season, winning the job and the start week 1. He better start taking some shots downfield, or like posted above, his leash will be short. Not attacking the defense vertically isn't going to help the running game not face 8 in the box more often than not. With the way NFL defenses are built to defend the pass right now, Seattle has a huge advantage with their style of play if they can make teams at least respect their vertical attack and then pound the ball into their nickel setups. At some point this season, I think the consensus will be reached that Wilson makes the offense more productive.

 

[spider321]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

The other guy played better. That's how.Flynn will get more opportunities because Wilson is short, but Wilson is the better QB.

 

[Hooper31]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

The bolded is the biggest lie I keep seeing repeated over and over. I continue to point it out every time I see it. They paid one guy? What does that mean to you? If you look into the reality I think you'll find that the Seahawks signed Flynn to a rather favorable deal. It surprised a lot of people around the league that they got lucky not having to overpay. The meat of the discussion is that Flynn is guaranteed $10 million over two years. That's nowhere near big money for a starter. That's less than the average NFL starting QB. Adding to this discussion is the notion that Carroll has repeatedly shown that he's married to no player. If he has a better player he will put them on the field. That includes rookies. Wright, Baldwin, and Sherman are perfect examples. They even gave converted DL and late round draft pick JR Sweezy (7th?) a chance at starting at RG this season. He ran with the first unit in the game yesterday some and has been getting lots of reps in practice with the first unit. As a fan in Seattle its been refreshing.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

The bolded is the biggest lie I keep seeing repeated over and over. I continue to point it out every time I see it. They paid one guy? What does that mean to you? If you look into the reality I think you'll find that the Seahawks signed Flynn to a rather favorable deal. It surprised a lot of people around the league that they got lucky not having to overpay. The meat of the discussion is that Flynn is guaranteed $10 million over two years. That's nowhere near big money for a starter. That's less than the average NFL starting QB.

how does it compare to the average back up qb?

 

[Abraham]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

I'd be surprised if Wilson didn't get the next start to run with the ones, considering how Carroll has played this out. And then Flynn will start the "critical" third game of the pre-season, winning the job and the start week 1. He better start taking some shots downfield, or like posted above, his leash will be short. Not attacking the defense vertically isn't going to help the running game not face 8 in the box more often than not. With the way NFL defenses are built to defend the pass right now, Seattle has a huge advantage with their style of play if they can make teams at least respect their vertical attack and then pound the ball into their nickel setups. At some point this season, I think the consensus will be reached that Wilson makes the offense more productive.

I don't see how this does anything buy solidify Flynn as starter. He did well with the 1s against the 1s. The notion that he needs to throw downfield more of he will have a short leash is silly - none of us know what their game plan was or what the offense was working on. I think Wilson wins the 2 job easily.

 

[Hooper31]

how does it compare to the average back up qb?

I've looked and can't find reliable data. There are several sites that list the roster from each team with data, but never by position across the entire league, and most of the lists are incomplete. Further, what data do we use? Cap number for this year? Average over entire contract? Average of guaranteed money? FWIW I think average of guaranteed money is the best measure.Tavaris Jackson has the biggest cap figure this season (just a shade under $5 million). Unless he impresses the crap out of Carroll I think he gets sent packing. Flynn's average guaranteed money is about $5 million over two years. If you go team by team I think you'll find these are both low end starters around the league. From perusing lists it appears that guys that are locked into a backup position usually count about $500,000 to $2.5 million against the cap for the coming season. There are lots of links out there if you start searching using Google.

 

[Dismattle]

Flynn said after the game that the defense was playing cover (didnt really finish what he started to say) Basically it appeared his call was to not throw down field w a specific coverage.

I dont want to sound dumb here, but I believe Wilson's pick sorta derrailed any real threat at this time ie. wk 1

Now I like Willson, but he is a Rook too. Flynn obviously has some real "NFL speed" practice time under his belt. I think we have all have seen outstanding Pre-Season play from players who dont even make team.

Wilson has what Coach's would probably refer to as raw talent, and I wouldnt say there was any gurantee that the Hawks could even draft him. I would think Flynn gets his shot period. fwiw I wouldnt mind draftin Wilson , but I aint sayin its all that bright a move.

p.s. For all we know Coach may have told Flynn "I need you to just manage the game, take whats given. I dont want to disappoint the 12th man w two picks, poor throw leadn to injury etc." IF there is really a real call to make, I believe it would be following the 3rd pre-season game, and we should probablly hope one of the guru's can explain the reasoning.

 

[Chris Smith]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

I'd be surprised if Wilson didn't get the next start to run with the ones, considering how Carroll has played this out. And then Flynn will start the "critical" third game of the pre-season, winning the job and the start week 1. He better start taking some shots downfield, or like posted above, his leash will be short. Not attacking the defense vertically isn't going to help the running game not face 8 in the box more often than not. With the way NFL defenses are built to defend the pass right now, Seattle has a huge advantage with their style of play if they can make teams at least respect their vertical attack and then pound the ball into their nickel setups. At some point this season, I think the consensus will be reached that Wilson makes the offense more productive.

Wilson had some good moments for sure against the 2nd string defense but he looked a little skittish to me at times as well. Matt Flynn threw the ball well, looked poised and let the team on a long drive. In the interview with him, he came across comfortable and relaxed. He stated he threw the ball underneath because they were facing a cover-2 the entire time and also the Seahawks are shooting for a ball control offensive attack this season. That is likely due to having what should be a very good defense in 2012.Flynn will be the starter, Wilson will be the backup. It is as close to a lock as it can be right now. Wilson did show good quickness, elusiveness and put the ball into good spots aside from the horrible throw on the interception. There was one play on a completed pass where Wilson broke the pocket scrambled to his right. He made the left defensive end miss but he didn't need to scramble as the pocket was there. Those are the little things that show he has a lot to work on still.I don't see how this does anything buy solidify Flynn as starter. He did well with the 1s against the 1s. The notion that he needs to throw downfield more of he will have a short leash is silly - none of us know what their game plan was or what the offense was working on. I think Wilson wins the 2 job easily.

 

[Donnybrook]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

I'd be surprised if Wilson didn't get the next start to run with the ones, considering how Carroll has played this out. And then Flynn will start the "critical" third game of the pre-season, winning the job and the start week 1. He better start taking some shots downfield, or like posted above, his leash will be short. Not attacking the defense vertically isn't going to help the running game not face 8 in the box more often than not. With the way NFL defenses are built to defend the pass right now, Seattle has a huge advantage with their style of play if they can make teams at least respect their vertical attack and then pound the ball into their nickel setups. At some point this season, I think the consensus will be reached that Wilson makes the offense more productive.

Wilson had some good moments for sure against the 2nd string defense but he looked a little skittish to me at times as well. Matt Flynn threw the ball well, looked poised and let the team on a long drive. In the interview with him, he came across comfortable and relaxed. He stated he threw the ball underneath because they were facing a cover-2 the entire time and also the Seahawks are shooting for a ball control offensive attack this season. That is likely due to having what should be a very good defense in 2012.Flynn will be the starter, Wilson will be the backup. It is as close to a lock as it can be right now. Wilson did show good quickness, elusiveness and put the ball into good spots aside from the horrible throw on the interception. There was one play on a completed pass where Wilson broke the pocket scrambled to his right. He made the left defensive end miss but he didn't need to scramble as the pocket was there. Those are the little things that show he has a lot to work on still.I don't see how this does anything buy solidify Flynn as starter. He did well with the 1s against the 1s. The notion that he needs to throw downfield more of he will have a short leash is silly - none of us know what their game plan was or what the offense was working on. I think Wilson wins the 2 job easily.

I disagree with it being anything close to a lock. I would not blame Carrol if he choose to start Wilson from day one. The only right move is to draft Wilson and Flynn or no Seattle QBs at all.

 

[Abraham]

I don't think this is settled after game 1

I think it is. They paid one guy, they started him - and he played well - how does he not start??

I'd be surprised if Wilson didn't get the next start to run with the ones, considering how Carroll has played this out. And then Flynn will start the "critical" third game of the pre-season, winning the job and the start week 1. He better start taking some shots downfield, or like posted above, his leash will be short. Not attacking the defense vertically isn't going to help the running game not face 8 in the box more often than not. With the way NFL defenses are built to defend the pass right now, Seattle has a huge advantage with their style of play if they can make teams at least respect their vertical attack and then pound the ball into their nickel setups. At some point this season, I think the consensus will be reached that Wilson makes the offense more productive.

Wilson had some good moments for sure against the 2nd string defense but he looked a little skittish to me at times as well. Matt Flynn threw the ball well, looked poised and let the team on a long drive. In the interview with him, he came across comfortable and relaxed. He stated he threw the ball underneath because they were facing a cover-2 the entire time and also the Seahawks are shooting for a ball control offensive attack this season. That is likely due to having what should be a very good defense in 2012.Flynn will be the starter, Wilson will be the backup. It is as close to a lock as it can be right now. Wilson did show good quickness, elusiveness and put the ball into good spots aside from the horrible throw on the interception. There was one play on a completed pass where Wilson broke the pocket scrambled to his right. He made the left defensive end miss but he didn't need to scramble as the pocket was there. Those are the little things that show he has a lot to work on still.I don't see how this does anything buy solidify Flynn as starter. He did well with the 1s against the 1s. The notion that he needs to throw downfield more of he will have a short leash is silly - none of us know what their game plan was or what the offense was working on. I think Wilson wins the 2 job easily.

I disagree with it being anything close to a lock. I would not blame Carrol if he choose to start Wilson from day one. The only right move is to draft Wilson and Flynn or no Seattle QBs at all.

For Wilson win the job, he needs to show he can protect the ball better than Flynn, can read defenses better than Flynn, and can sustain drives better than Flynn. And he has to do it in 3 weeks. It's okay that Wilson is a rookie and needs some time to learn the game. It isnt bad for his career that he isn't starti g right away. He can still be a big part of the Seahawks future. I just dont see any way that they let him start considering the team should be competitive in the division and has a quarterback that fits what they appear to want in Flynn (ball control).

 

[Sea Duck]

You are in denial if you don't think Flynn will be the starter, Wilson will be the backup, and Jackson will be cut.