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Posted right after Michael Floyd? If Floyd is the #1 there he's even more underrated than I thought. Fitz will still produce but I can easily see the torch being passed this year. 
Been hearing that for awhile.  Fitz will continue to be the man as long as he plays. 

 
Been hearing that for awhile.  Fitz will continue to be the man as long as he plays. 
I think fitz still has some left, and I'm happy Floyd's hype has been low this year. He's always been "due" for a breakout, and things were looking good until he broke his fingers. Once he was healthy he played really well. "There's a lot of mouths to feed" and "they will run more" are the usual detractions here but I'm not worried. 

On the other hand, I drafted Adams last year expecting big things so what do I know.

 
Ha, you changed your tune a bit ;)
Yes, absolutely.

He has no threats to his spot. He's just come in and had the job day one and it's like he's some name guy. The other day Mularkey said something like "well he has made mistakes."

This shouldn't be. The Titans should be so much better- their three first round talent WRs should have made this difficult for him. They haven't. Kendall did great and didn't get a snap outside, for three days. That really set a tone for me as far as where they view Sharpe and Matthews.

Sharpe is viewed as lesser- because...idk. He's a rookie? They have never(????) had an excellent rookie wideout? DGB and Andre have played with the ones in Sharpe's spot. There's "action" there. With Kendall hurt and wanting to see Matthews in the slot, then Tre and TZ get time in his spot with the ones. Add to this, Tre moved over and replaced Sharpe that day too.

He's really got it locked up.

I don't want two possession WRs and Delanie. Where's the big play guy? It looks like what I want here isn't happening. Maybe I'm wrong and Sharpe or Matthews is better, than I think, in practice with big plays and all. There's time for things to shake out differently, so I can adjust my thinking then, but today....gotta go with Rishard.

 
Forget about Sanu. Shanahan's offense is look at Julio....look at Julio again...look at Julio one more time, ok he's covered, look at the TE. Sanu is a long way down the pecking order. Last year, Ryan had an easy 1st down to a wide open Hardy, 5 yards to the left of Tamme. Instead, he threw into a double coverd Tamme for an INT. It was like that all year. It takes a lot for Matt to progress to the right side of the field.....and more time than he will have behind the OL.




 
ATL's OL is much improved with the addition of Alex Mack. At LT Jake Matthews is one of the best, Alex Mack is one of the best at C, and Ryan Schraeder was the highest graded at RT (according to PFF) last season. The LG position Andy Levitre should be better with another year in this new scheme and at RG I expect whoever is there (most likely Chester) to be solid. Ryan should finally have some protection in the pocket and it's mostly thanks to Mack.

 
Looks like Fuller will be the WR2 and Strong - who is very raw and unpolished - will be competing for snaps as the WR3.
Every report I'm reading is that Strong is the breakout star of the off season & camp. Latest report on Fuller is he is having a hard time getting off the line of scrimmage, which is deadly for a guy that will be used as a deep threat.

 
mcd said:
Every report I'm reading is that Strong is the breakout star of the off season & camp. Latest report on Fuller is he is having a hard time getting off the line of scrimmage, which is deadly for a guy that will be used as a deep threat.
Link?

Fuller is having a great TC and getting first team reps. instead of relying on the bite sized blurb Rotoworld twists to fit their narrative, maybe next time try reading the full Houston Chronicle article. And maybe read more than one blurb. Just suggestions, you do what's best for you.

Strong revamped his diet in the off-season. Give him credit for not coming in weighing 237 like he did last year.

 
Link?

Fuller is having a great TC and getting first team reps. instead of relying on the bite sized blurb Rotoworld twists to fit their narrative, maybe next time try reading the full Houston Chronicle article. And maybe read more than one blurb. Just suggestions, you do what's best for you.

Strong revamped his diet in the off-season. Give him credit for not coming in weighing 237 like he did last year.
Why give such a jerk response? Strong is having a very good camp.

 
Link?

Fuller is having a great TC and getting first team reps. instead of relying on the bite sized blurb Rotoworld twists to fit their narrative, maybe next time try reading the full Houston Chronicle article. And maybe read more than one blurb. Just suggestions, you do what's best for you.

Strong revamped his diet in the off-season. Give him credit for not coming in weighing 237 like he did last year.
Do you have a link to this article you reference?  I looked, & while I found mention of him getting some 1st team reps, I didn't find anything that would indicate he's ahead of Strong.

 
Link?

Fuller is having a great TC and getting first team reps. instead of relying on the bite sized blurb Rotoworld twists to fit their narrative, maybe next time try reading the full Houston Chronicle article. And maybe read more than one blurb. Just suggestions, you do what's best for you.

Strong revamped his diet in the off-season. Give him credit for not coming in weighing 237 like he did last year.
Both Strong & Fuller are getting first team reps.

You shouldn't need a link to know the reports of Strong out of camp are glowing. If all you have read is he revamped his diet then you're skipping big chunks of the Houston Chronicle. I like Fuller, he should be a decent speed guy down the road, but whether you are reading the Houston Chronicle or Rotoworld blurbs, Strong is the guy that is blowing up in camp.

Google it.

 
Disagree on Benjamin. The Chargers are expecting to run a lot more formations with 2 TEs or with a FB this year, so WR snaps will be reduced. They are expecting to run more and pass less, so passing attempts and thus targets will be reduced. They not only have a strong WR1 (Allen) but also strong targets at TE (Gates) and RB (Woodhead). The Chargers WR2 has never been a strong fantasy performer, and that isn't likely to change this year. I like Benjamin as an impact player for the Chargers but not as a fantasy WR this year.
This is a good point.  WR2 on SD never did much until Allen went down with an injury.  

Someone already said it, but I think Moncrief is in a great position to make a big jump as a #2 in both real football relevance and fantasy points.  He has a good report with Luck, should be much more relevant in the redzone over Hilton, and the Colts let Fleener go.  From 2014 to 2015, his targets and TD's doubled, and his ydg almost doubled (and that was with Matt Hasselbeck at QB half the season).  I think he breaks 1K yds this year and 8-10 TD's for the season.

 
This is a good point.  WR2 on SD never did much until Allen went down with an injury.  

Someone already said it, but I think Moncrief is in a great position to make a big jump as a #2 in both real football relevance and fantasy points.  He has a good report with Luck, should be much more relevant in the redzone over Hilton, and the Colts let Fleener go.  From 2014 to 2015, his targets and TD's doubled, and his ydg almost doubled (and that was with Matt Hasselbeck at QB half the season).  I think he breaks 1K yds this year and 8-10 TD's for the season.
Great post

 
This is a good point.  WR2 on SD never did much until Allen went down with an injury.  

Someone already said it, but I think Moncrief is in a great position to make a big jump as a #2 in both real football relevance and fantasy points.  He has a good report with Luck, should be much more relevant in the redzone over Hilton, and the Colts let Fleener go.  From 2014 to 2015, his targets and TD's doubled, and his ydg almost doubled (and that was with Matt Hasselbeck at QB half the season).  I think he breaks 1K yds this year and 8-10 TD's for the season.
Or they let Fleener go because Dwayne Allen could handle his snaps also...

He is afterall getting quite a lot of money this season and next (most of it guaranteed)

 
Disagree on Benjamin. The Chargers are expecting to run a lot more formations with 2 TEs or with a FB this year, so WR snaps will be reduced. They are expecting to run more and pass less, so passing attempts and thus targets will be reduced. They not only have a strong WR1 (Allen) but also strong targets at TE (Gates) and RB (Woodhead). The Chargers WR2 has never been a strong fantasy performer, and that isn't likely to change this year. I like Benjamin as an impact player for the Chargers but not as a fantasy WR this year.
I saw this the other day and meant to come back to it as I finally got around to reading some news. This is painful to read after watching Whisenhunt the last two years. I wouldn't touch Benjamin. Good luck to those in this thread, but Whis wrecked Titans WRs. His love for TEs (along with Mularkey's) gave this impression they'd prefer to start 11 TEs.

His two (and three) TE offense is about power. Good for Gordon (if the line holds up) but I gotta wonder about Woodhead. Like McCluster he isn't exactly a power runner. Yes a normal coach would have a 3 WR set on 3rd and long and Woodhead could probably do some damage in the passing game. Whisenhunt will make you buy a new TV on 3rd and 15 when he sends out 3 TEs. 

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you get the guy that coached Rivers a few years back and Warner a few before that. I am so burned by that guy now though and must need time to shake it off. 

 
I saw this the other day and meant to come back to it as I finally got around to reading some news. This is painful to read after watching Whisenhunt the last two years. I wouldn't touch Benjamin. Good luck to those in this thread, but Whis wrecked Titans WRs. His love for TEs (along with Mularkey's) gave this impression they'd prefer to start 11 TEs.

His two (and three) TE offense is about power. Good for Gordon (if the line holds up) but I gotta wonder about Woodhead. Like McCluster he isn't exactly a power runner. Yes a normal coach would have a 3 WR set on 3rd and long and Woodhead could probably do some damage in the passing game. Whisenhunt will make you buy a new TV on 3rd and 15 when he sends out 3 TEs. 

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you get the guy that coached Rivers a few years back and Warner a few before that. I am so burned by that guy now though and must need time to shake it off. 
As opposed to the guy who had to coach locker and who, hasselback? I don't disagree altogether but I'm not sure it's fair to compare 2014/15 titans to the Super Bowl cards or a more talented San Diego team. Thank god for titans fans they appear to have a real gm now. 

Floyd was relevant at times but couldn't stay on the field. I think you can argue that Benjamin is better than the guys they've had the last 2 years. Stevie is better, or was when he was in BUF, but he's not te same guy. 

 
I saw this the other day and meant to come back to it as I finally got around to reading some news. This is painful to read after watching Whisenhunt the last two years. I wouldn't touch Benjamin. Good luck to those in this thread, but Whis wrecked Titans WRs. His love for TEs (along with Mularkey's) gave this impression they'd prefer to start 11 TEs.

His two (and three) TE offense is about power. Good for Gordon (if the line holds up) but I gotta wonder about Woodhead. Like McCluster he isn't exactly a power runner. Yes a normal coach would have a 3 WR set on 3rd and long and Woodhead could probably do some damage in the passing game. Whisenhunt will make you buy a new TV on 3rd and 15 when he sends out 3 TEs. 

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you get the guy that coached Rivers a few years back and Warner a few before that. I am so burned by that guy now though and must need time to shake it off. 
Whisenhunt was the OC for the Chargers in 2013. Woodhead was great that season, with 1034 YFS and 8 TDs, even though Mathews had 1444 and 7. And Allen was the WR1 as a rookie and had 71/1046/8. TEs other than Gates had a total of 36 targets.

Basically, none of your concerns manifested in 2013. Maybe they manifested with the Titans because the personnel he had was so weak. :shrug:

 
As opposed to the guy who had to coach locker and who, hasselback? I don't disagree altogether but I'm not sure it's fair to compare 2014/15 titans to the Super Bowl cards or a more talented San Diego team. Thank god for titans fans they appear to have a real gm now. 

Floyd was relevant at times but couldn't stay on the field. I think you can argue that Benjamin is better than the guys they've had the last 2 years. Stevie is better, or was when he was in BUF, but he's not te same guy. 
Fitzpatrick has done quite well away from Whis. That's not what I meant though. The passes weren't there. It's not like receiver X had 100 targets and receiver Z had 90 and he had this nice O they just didn't execute. 

I feel confident there's no way you have 3 WRs that do well. Not with the TE sets he uses and SD writers are writing of. 3 WRs aren't on the field when you have two and three TEs. 

I did not see him say it but I can totally put the words in his mouth and almost guarantee he is going to say they need to establish the run game for Gordon and the OL needs an identity- that will be his reason for the TEs.

It's funny. I love Gates and have for however long. After reading I was trying to think of where I'd rank him in FF and I don't even know if the ol' guy can handle so many snaps. I wanted to check out how many snaps Walker had versus how many Gates had last year. The times I got to see the Chargers, I didn't notice Gates much on 1st and 2nd. At times, sure, but also I wasn't looking for it. Isn't the old guy more a specialty sort of TE now? 3rd down weapon? Does he play the whole game, all snaps?

My problem overall is also with your statement "a more talented team." I'm not sure there's a BIG gap. TItans were the worst so I'm not glowing praise here, but weren't the chargers like the 4th pick? 3rd? 

What I had discussed previously was the Titans had a bad OL and they drafted the top back in the draft and ooooph with how that went. Here are the Chargers with a bad OL and Gordon (2nd best of a draft? yet better than Sankey). He's the last guy I'd put in that situation. He worked well with veterans in Pitt and Zona, some other team may have been a better fit. Allen is better than Wright, but Wright had 94 receptions before Whis got there and what 20-30 each year with him? Walker is better than Gates (younger and/or plays much younger) today but the similarity of an excellent TE is there. I like Mett, others don't, but I do. I see he's rubbed Chargers fans and press about the same way as Titans ones. Something love/hate about that guy.

I see he's doing his hold the ball too long thing in camp. He never really did it all that bad in a game. Two years ago I think he led the NFL in preseason passing. People said he was a statue and released too late coming out of college. I didn't find him to be. He always threw last second and took a lot of hits, but when you're a pocket guy behind a bad OL you kind of have to do that. He seems to have a bad habit of patting the ball when he's thinking too much and the OC instilled new plays. It goes away once he's comfy. Never once saw that in a game. He's pretty predictable. I love his Jeff George cannon. That writer discussing all the underneath routes. Whis sent Hunter deep 100,000 times in two years. Obviously I'm not there, but he's probably looking at some deep guy the writer didn't mention. He llllloves the big play a bit too much. He hasn't learned when to take his shots. When he is hot (saw it in preseason, against Cleveland one year, and then just in spots) he is a top NFL QB. He has no fear- picking on Haden throwing to Hunter is borderline insane and he had like four TDs in a half that day.

I wanna see  (if Rivers gets hurt, obviously don't wish ill upon him but if he does) Mett throw to your WRs. I want to watch you Chargers fans and see your thoughts on Jeff George II. He totally is spitting image type. The horrible decisions, the beautiful "wow he's got a big arm" throws...everything. 

JWB has reminded me it's just Whis, it's not the Titans offensive staff or players. I realize I go too far projecting the Titans onto the Chargers. Whis did do well there a few years back. I fight it. Things look so similar at times.

He brought Kendall Wright's college coach to camp and they instilled some nice nice plays. Mariota was doing the spread in spots the first few weeks and I ate it up. Anything where he snapped it and threw quick was much appreciated. It was a way to work around a bad OL. Whis ditched this and we never saw it again. Otherwise, I felt like he set everyone up behind a bad OL. Both Locker and Mariota had legs. They should have rolled out or moved around a ton, not challenge the NFL record for sacks. Whomever the worst lineman was, that's where they ran. Oh it frustrated me

 
Whisenhunt was the OC for the Chargers in 2013. Woodhead was great that season, with 1034 YFS and 8 TDs, even though Mathews had 1444 and 7. And Allen was the WR1 as a rookie and had 71/1046/8. TEs other than Gates had a total of 36 targets.

Basically, none of your concerns manifested in 2013. Maybe they manifested with the Titans because the personnel he had was so weak. :shrug:
heh your ears must have been ringing

 
I was referring to a more talented San Diego team that wiz coordinated his first time there, not the current one. Whiz in Tennessee was saddled with questionable young talent, as opposed to his previous gig in SD. 

 
rishard matthews love is a bit misguided IMO.  Landry will get his, do the rishard mathews folks think he is going to play ahead of parker again this year?  I cant see that offense producing 3 viable fantasy WR's, very few offenses can do that.  To me he would need an injury to parker or landry to be a viable fantasy asset.  
Rishard is on the Titans now.

 
msommer said:
Or they let Fleener go because Dwayne Allen could handle his snaps also...

He is afterall getting quite a lot of money this season and next (most of it guaranteed)
They let Fleener go over Allen, bc Allen is a much superior all-around TE especially in run and pass blocking.  Andre Johnson was washed up last year and Dorsett was hurt and a rookie forcing the Colts to run a lot of 2TE sets.  If anything, the Colts will employ more 3 WR sets this year.    I do expect Allen's catches to go up, but it still doesn't change the fact that Moncrief is entrenched as the clear #2 with Luck back at the helm.  He's being drafted as a WR3, but I can easily see him finishing in the top 20.  Little risk with high ceiling - count me in.

 
Snorkelson said:
Floyd was relevant at times but couldn't stay on the field. I think you can argue that Benjamin is better than the guys they've had the last 2 years. Stevie is better, or was when he was in BUF, but he's not te same guy. 
Benjamin may be a better player, but he's also just a very different player than Floyd was. Rivers would often make throws that he felt his 6'5"/225# receiver could beat his defender to the ball. People have tried to explain to me that 5'10"/175# Travis Benjamin is going to absorb those targets on the outside in that same role in the offense..... but it still doesn't make any sense to me. It's early going but from the sounds of it Tyrell Williams(6'4"/204#) has been getting plenty of reps across from Allen with the #1's.

 
Both Strong & Fuller are getting first team reps.

You shouldn't need a link to know the reports of Strong out of camp are glowing. If all you have read is he revamped his diet then you're skipping big chunks of the Houston Chronicle. I like Fuller, he should be a decent speed guy down the road, but whether you are reading the Houston Chronicle or Rotoworld blurbs, Strong is the guy that is blowing up in camp.

Google it.
For those that like podcasts this is a pretty good one discussing the HOU situation with a local beat writer(Aaron Wilson - Houston Chronicle).....

http://rotoviz.com/2016/07/lamar-millers-crazy-high-floor-aaron-wilson-houston-chronicle-texans-2016-preview-rotoviz-radio/

 
For those that like podcasts this is a pretty good one discussing the HOU situation with a local beat writer(Aaron Wilson - Houston Chronicle).....

http://rotoviz.com/2016/07/lamar-millers-crazy-high-floor-aaron-wilson-houston-chronicle-texans-2016-preview-rotoviz-radio/
Great podcast. Maybe Aaron Wilson from the Houston Chronicle is getting all his info from Rotoworld blurbs also.

I like Strong as a player a lot, just not sure whether the Houston offense will be able to support a 2nd WR for fantasy football purposes.

 
Great podcast. Maybe Aaron Wilson from the Houston Chronicle is getting all his info from Rotoworld blurbs also.

I like Strong as a player a lot, just not sure whether the Houston offense will be able to support a 2nd WR for fantasy football purposes.
I really liked Strong coming out of college. There were people that had projected BAL drafting him in the first round instead of a Perryman when Strong ran a faster 40-yard dash than expected. There is a danger of a marijuana problem there..... seems like years ago but it's only been a few months.

There is a lot of competition for targets in that offense. Besides Fuller, they also have Shorts and Braxton Miller(who could surprise with big play ability). I would also expect Miller/Ervin to get get more receptions out of the backfield than HOU had last season. 

It will be interesting how that defense looks if they are playing without Watt for an extended period of time or if he needs to be worked back into playing time slowly. He's probably the single biggest game changer that doesn't play QB. Even with Watt playing like an MVP candidate HOU was in the top 10 in passing attempts. 

 

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