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Serious Biz Dynasty Year 17 - Planning for next year (7 Viewers)
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Eephus
Footballguy
TINSTAAPP
HellToupee
Footballguy
That came out of nowhere
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Austin Meadows the last couple years.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
On this note, I'll trade any of my pitching prospects for dingers.
HellToupee
Footballguy
greedygoat
Footballguy
Eloy Jimenez going on the IL for the 20th time in 5.5 years
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
1. I don't suppose Fantrax has an IL option that only works for 60-day IL? I think the current roster size has sufficiently deep benches for dealing with most injury situations, but it would be nice to make it easier for folks to stash their Tommy Johns and torn ACLs.
2. Yes, on the condition that it is officially known as the Lodolo Rule.
2. Yes, on the condition that it is officially known as the Lodolo Rule.
Eephus
Footballguy
Fantrax's fantasy platform is very flexible but the codebase is shared across multiple sports, some of which don't have the equivalent of MLB's injured list. From reading the notes, it looks like Fantrax allows IR stashing based on the red flag injury status regardless of whether the player is still on the active roster. Based on the status of Holliday and J. Dominguez, it appears the green flag supersedes the red.
So the proposed rule change is essentially the same as increasing in-season roster size.
Lodolohoppe FTW
and I second Sparty's name suggestion 
HellToupee
Footballguy
I’d rather incentivize trying to compete and reward the 4-6 slots
RnR
Footballguy
The issue isn't as much a numbers thing as it is a "misaligned commodity valuation" thing.
All of those middle relievers and middling 30-somethings that are fueling the championship runs for the top half of the league mean absolutely nothing to the bottom half of the league. And, when it comes time to protect players, the top half of the league primarily leaves that type of player unprotected.
Meanwhile, the lower half of the league IS trying to compete by digging into prospects, looking through minor league stats, etc. to find the "next path" to a competitive window. Then, at the end of the season, we have to decide which 2 or 3 of those dudes we're going to give to the top half of the league as they go "I should attempt to get younger in this draft."
The end result is usually:
- Top half of the league sheds a diminishing, aging player or 2 (often undrafted) in exchange for a Top 100-ish prospect or 2 from lower half teams.
- Lower half of the league grabs a good "first-year" player in the first 5-6 overall picks... and they loses a couple of prospects to good teams before their 3 player window closes out.
Just leave it like it is, I guess. It'll be fine. But this draft isn't doing what the "competitive balance" portion is intended to do.
All of those middle relievers and middling 30-somethings that are fueling the championship runs for the top half of the league mean absolutely nothing to the bottom half of the league. And, when it comes time to protect players, the top half of the league primarily leaves that type of player unprotected.
Meanwhile, the lower half of the league IS trying to compete by digging into prospects, looking through minor league stats, etc. to find the "next path" to a competitive window. Then, at the end of the season, we have to decide which 2 or 3 of those dudes we're going to give to the top half of the league as they go "I should attempt to get younger in this draft."
The end result is usually:
- Top half of the league sheds a diminishing, aging player or 2 (often undrafted) in exchange for a Top 100-ish prospect or 2 from lower half teams.
- Lower half of the league grabs a good "first-year" player in the first 5-6 overall picks... and they loses a couple of prospects to good teams before their 3 player window closes out.
Just leave it like it is, I guess. It'll be fine. But this draft isn't doing what the "competitive balance" portion is intended to do.
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Eephus
Footballguy
I think it's just a flawed strategy to try to win this league by tearing it down and going all in with prospects. I don't believe it's ever worked here before or after the minidraft. The success rate of prospects, even the most highly touted ones, isn't high enough.
When I look at Sparty and Rodg's rosters, I don't see the middling 30-somethings you speak of. They each have a few stars to anchor their lineups but have surrounded them with solid major league contributors and sufficient roster depth to withstand the inevitable injuries and underperformers. It takes time and effort to accumulate enough of those guys to win categories. This process isn't as much fun as dreaming about the next 18 year old Dominican to come along but it's been proven over the years to be the more successful approach.
I wish our original dynasty draft hadn't been lost to history but I'm pretty certain we weren't so prospect heavy back in the day. I'm going to blame the Internet for this evolution because there wasn't as much minor league information available back then. The winners from the early years built teams that were like redraft teams with a bit more emphasis on youth and a very small minor league component. Somewhere along the line, big league accumulators became a market inefficiency that Sparty and particularly Rodg has exploited.
It's kind of a necessary evil to play the prospect game because it's the cheapest way to acquire the stars you need to build around. But flooding the zone with dozens of minor leaguers with more question marks takes up roster space without significantly increasing your chances of lucking into a young star.
When I look at Sparty and Rodg's rosters, I don't see the middling 30-somethings you speak of. They each have a few stars to anchor their lineups but have surrounded them with solid major league contributors and sufficient roster depth to withstand the inevitable injuries and underperformers. It takes time and effort to accumulate enough of those guys to win categories. This process isn't as much fun as dreaming about the next 18 year old Dominican to come along but it's been proven over the years to be the more successful approach.
I wish our original dynasty draft hadn't been lost to history but I'm pretty certain we weren't so prospect heavy back in the day. I'm going to blame the Internet for this evolution because there wasn't as much minor league information available back then. The winners from the early years built teams that were like redraft teams with a bit more emphasis on youth and a very small minor league component. Somewhere along the line, big league accumulators became a market inefficiency that Sparty and particularly Rodg has exploited.
It's kind of a necessary evil to play the prospect game because it's the cheapest way to acquire the stars you need to build around. But flooding the zone with dozens of minor leaguers with more question marks takes up roster space without significantly increasing your chances of lucking into a young star.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
The year 3 dispersal draft thread is still around.
I don’t remember exactly who was in the minors then, but the league was definitely lighter on prospects. I took a lot of young MLB guys, but minor leaguers were under my radar unless they were expected to debut that year or had a ton of hype.
Eephus
Footballguy
Here are the top 50 prospects from Year 1 of this league. Four went on to have 50 WAR careers (Scherzer, Kershaw, Cutch & Votto) while around 20 others were solid fantasy contributors during their primes. Which leaves roughly half of the list as misses who would have taken up a roster spot as a prospect without delivering value as a big leaguer. This seems pretty typical based on my experiences over the years. The secret is obviously choosing the right prospects but that's easier said than done.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
And in that group of solid contributors were late bloomers like Headley and Carrasco who would've been difficult to hold from the minors to their age-28 breakouts in this format. Those can further hurt the success rate of prospect chasing.
My 2019 rebuild ended up being successful but also less prospect-driven than I expected. Hit big on a few but whiffed hard on Whitley, Gohara, Trammell and Kieboom, among others. I don't know that I'll ever go that youth-heavy again and certainly don't see a total teardown in my plans. But styles make fights and the league is probably more fun when people are trying different things.
RnR
Footballguy
It may appear I'm totally torn down because of the number of minor leaguers on my roster, but I'm not. At least not in my mind. I have the bones of a fairly good, young hitting lineup and 5 fantasy relevant starting pitchers (when healthy). I can flip the switch as early as next season if I want. It just doesn't make sense to me to carry SV+HLD and SP5 types vs. speculate on hitting big on a prospect or 10 when you're not going to win either way in 2024.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I don't know if this fantasy team or the Blue Jays are a bigger baseball fun suck this year. Just constant disappointment.
Eephus
Footballguy
@HellToupee dropping Goldschmidt and then losing a waiver claim for him 48 hours later 
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Your team here is still young and on the way up IMO. The Blue Jays not so much.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Mr Tinstaapp , my arse
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Eephus is on a heck of a run. Was at 73.5 on July 4, now up to 86. Just passed me in a couple categories and closing in on a few more.
Kyle Tucker needs to come back and rescue my offense before things get too interesting.
Kyle Tucker needs to come back and rescue my offense before things get too interesting.
Eephus
Footballguy
I'd say don't jinx me bro but I've just had a rash of injuries since the all star break so it must have been someone else
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
A year ago at this time I had what I thought were 4 really good shortstops. One of them is probably going to prison, two have been injured all year, and the 4th was about 20,000 leagues under replacement level before he mercifully got hurt too.
But I don’t need any of them because unheralded 26-year-old rookie Tyler Fitzgerald homers every game.
Sometimes I wonder how much skill is really involved in this.
But I don’t need any of them because unheralded 26-year-old rookie Tyler Fitzgerald homers every game.
Sometimes I wonder how much skill is really involved in this.
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
I joined he league on full rebuild, had some rough years, traded and scouted Acuna and Soto at young ages.
Now I’m planning on reloading, not completely rebuilding. Positional team is getting young and I like toolsy players so one or two might hit .180 next year.
My pitching was never good, really from the beginning. Lance McCullers and I no longer have Sunday tea, and Ray and Kershaw found death also. So I have some tonstapps, traded for Senga, and I’m setting in for a good draft pick. Next year may be my low, but I think I’m a riser in ‘26.
Now I’m planning on reloading, not completely rebuilding. Positional team is getting young and I like toolsy players so one or two might hit .180 next year.
My pitching was never good, really from the beginning. Lance McCullers and I no longer have Sunday tea, and Ray and Kershaw found death also. So I have some tonstapps, traded for Senga, and I’m setting in for a good draft pick. Next year may be my low, but I think I’m a riser in ‘26.
Eephus
Footballguy
Don't go doing anything stupid with that alias Doc
Matheson
Footballguy
Agreed.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I’m buying are you selling you silly goose?
HellToupee
Footballguy
I’ve found the waiver wire the fairest trade partner
PIK95
Footballguy
We like where we are now, but expect to get decimated at the expansion draft.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I wouldn’t worry to much
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
1. IN
2. Still a yes vote for giving lower-finishing teams more protection spots if that's still on the table.
HellToupee
Footballguy
In
