Serious Question about last month's Reds/Cardinals brawl (1 Viewer)

[RnR]

Fast forward a month later, and Jason LaRue is saying he's going to be forced to retire from post-concussion symptoms. In case you don't remember, his concussion was caused by Johnny Cueto repeatedly kicking him in the head after he had fallen to the ground as the two teams met in a scuffle behind home plate.

Should Cueto be criminally liable for the long-term damage he did to Jason LaRue? He was pretty much defenseless, and it was definitely with malicious act on the part of Cueto.

Oh, LINKY.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Nope. If you get on the field during a brawl, you have to be prepared to be in a brawl. And while it's a shame, 20+ concussions probably plays more of a part than 1 caused, supposedly, from Cueto.

This is just setting the table for a lawsuit.

 

[RnR]

Nope. If you get on the field during a brawl, you have to be prepared to be in a brawl. And while it's a shame, 20+ concussions probably plays more of a part than 1 caused, supposedly, from Cueto.This is just setting the table for a lawsuit.

The first thing you said had literally nothing to do with the question I posed. I'm not sure anyone can be "prepared" to be kicked in the head repeatedly after they have been knocked off their feet. Also, by the way, there's no "supposedly" about this. The video evidence is pretty clear: twinkle toes was kicking at anything that moved.Him retiring is setting the table for a lawsuit? I should hope there would be a lawsuit. It's pretty clear he was assaulted in a very cowardly fashion. Just because it happened on a baseball field doesn't change the act or intent to injure.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Nope. If you get on the field during a brawl, you have to be prepared to be in a brawl. And while it's a shame, 20+ concussions probably plays more of a part than 1 caused, supposedly, from Cueto.

This is just setting the table for a lawsuit.

The first thing you said had literally nothing to do with the question I posed. I'm not sure anyone can be "prepared" to be kicked in the head repeatedly after they have been knocked off their feet. Also, by the way, there's no "supposedly" about this. The video evidence is pretty clear: twinkle toes was kicking at anything that moved.

Him retiring is setting the table for a lawsuit? I should hope there would be a lawsuit. It's pretty clear he was assaulted in a very cowardly fashion. Just because it happened on a baseball field doesn't change the act or intent to injure.

Funny and I see it as him getting crushed up against the netting and trying to defend himself. If I had 19 concussions over the years, and I left the bench to participate in a brawl, I doubt that I'd be very surprised to receive number 20. Would he be happier if Cueto had punched him in the head with his fist?

And what if Cueto had done that, and broken his pitching hand?

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Don't leave the bench and charge a guy smaller than you are expecting Marquess of Queensberry rules.

 

[RnR]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts.

Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.

Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?

I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I don't see what cueto did wrong here. Choked against a net and the kicks looked like self defnse. If LaScrub was close enough to get kicked, that means he was somehow complicit in his own beat down. Go sit in a dark room and shut up clown.

 

[dparker713]

He could be prosecuted, but it likely wont happen. Every player assumes a level of risk normally associated with the course of play. This varies in sport to sport. For instance, in hockey fights where two men square off are considered part of the game, but players can and have been prosecuted for sucker punches and using sticks as weapons. Here, even if you contend that brawls are a part of the game, wildly kicking during a brawl is not.

Bascially, just because you're on a ball field doesn't stop the laws of the land from applying. So Cueto could be prosecuted, though I doubt he will be.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

 

[pantagrapher]

I'm sure Cueto could reasonably argue he was acting in self defense. It would be hard for LaRue to argue he ran into the middle of a brawl and was hit through no fault of his own.

 

[RnR]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

I can't have an opinion because I started the thread? Fast Eddie is a well-known Reds homer that is clearly defending Cueto. If me challenging him to defend his response upsets you, you could always move on to another thread.

 

[RnR]

I'm sure Cueto could reasonably argue he was acting in self defense. It would be hard for LaRue to argue he ran into the middle of a brawl and was hit through no fault of his own.

That's a fair point about claiming self-defense. I think that's a plausible defense if he injured, say, Chris Carpenter. Carpenter was clearly involved, and while cheap-shotting him in the back isn't the manliest thing to do, I can clearly see it as an act of self-defense. Does the fact that LaRue was on the ground posing no realistic threat to Cueto change things?

 

[dparker713]

I'm sure Cueto could reasonably argue he was acting in self defense. It would be hard for LaRue to argue he ran into the middle of a brawl and was hit through no fault of his own.

Cueto really cant argue self defense. He had no business being on the field at that time for any other reason than to participate in a fight. This action would preclude the use of a self-defense as a means of avoiding liability.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'm sure Cueto could reasonably argue he was acting in self defense. It would be hard for LaRue to argue he ran into the middle of a brawl and was hit through no fault of his own.

Cueto really cant argue self defense. He had no business being on the field at that time for any other reason than to participate in a fight. This action would preclude the use of a self-defense as a means of avoiding liability.

WHA?You really think each of the 50 players out there were there with the sole purpose of fighting? That there was simply no other reason for them to be out there?

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I kind of hope Cueto isn't criminally prosecuted. I also kind of hope he is hit in the face by a Jason Motte fastball. We can all dream, can't we?

BTW, I hope the Reds do well in the post season...I just hate Phillips and Cueto for their shenanigans.

All the best to the rest of the Reds.

 

[fasteddie_21]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

I can't have an opinion because I started the thread? Fast Eddie is a well-known Reds homer that is clearly defending Cueto. If me challenging him to defend his response upsets you, you could always move on to another thread.

My issue is that Larue (who I did like as a Reds, fwiw) is claiming that the reason his career is over is due to the effects of the brawl in which he got kicked by Cueto.Personally, I think the reason his career is over is for a couple of reasons:-He had 11 hits this season. Total. 25 the year before that. IOW, dude was done, baseball-speaking-He claims to have had 20 concussions over the course of his career. 20. He should have retired, if true, long before the brawl.And he came onto the field, voluntarily, to participate in a brawl. Now, I'm not condoning Cueto kicking him, and I truly don't think he was doing it intentionally to kick anyone in the face, but had Cueto punched Larue in the head, would people be thinking of this differently?Fact is, the guy came onto the field (as did every single player for both teams) to participate in a brawl. Being hit, kicked, knee'd, elbowed, etc...these are things that could happen. Oh and while Cueto did kick Larue, had Carpenter not instigated the 2nd part of the brawl, maybe Larue could "retire on his own terms". Bottom line is that Cueto is hardly the only one who should be blamed for Larue retiring. Fingers could be pointed at Cueto, Larue himself, Carpenter, Phillips, Molina, and possibly more.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

I can't have an opinion because I started the thread? Fast Eddie is a well-known Reds homer that is clearly defending Cueto. If me challenging him to defend his response upsets you, you could always move on to another thread.

My issue is that Larue (who I did like as a Reds, fwiw) is claiming that the reason his career is over is due to the effects of the brawl in which he got kicked by Cueto.Personally, I think the reason his career is over is for a couple of reasons:-He had 11 hits this season. Total. 25 the year before that. IOW, dude was done, baseball-speaking-He claims to have had 20 concussions over the course of his career. 20. He should have retired, if true, long before the brawl.And he came onto the field, voluntarily, to participate in a brawl. Now, I'm not condoning Cueto kicking him, and I truly don't think he was doing it intentionally to kick anyone in the face, but had Cueto punched Larue in the head, would people be thinking of this differently?Fact is, the guy came onto the field (as did every single player for both teams) to participate in a brawl. Being hit, kicked, knee'd, elbowed, etc...these are things that could happen. Oh and while Cueto did kick Larue, had Carpenter not instigated the 2nd part of the brawl, maybe Larue could "retire on his own terms". Bottom line is that Cueto is hardly the only one who should be blamed for Larue retiring. Fingers could be pointed at Cueto, Larue himself, Carpenter, Phillips, Molina, and possibly more.

I concur that Carpenter has his share of the blame in the brawl. I view Carpenter and Phillips as having equal blame. Cueto on the other hand is a vile punk that should be facing a long term suspension.Metal spikes to the head is not cool. Maybe if a guy pulls a gun or a bat on you...but short of that it is an incredibly ###### move.

 

[Premier]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

I can't have an opinion because I started the thread? Fast Eddie is a well-known Reds homer

Yea, you're totally not being a homer here.

 

[RnR]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

I can't have an opinion because I started the thread? Fast Eddie is a well-known Reds homer

Yea, you're totally not being a homer here.

Do I know you? Because if I did, you'd know I've been to more Reds games than any other team in baseball. Cardinals included. Divisional rivalry aside, I'm glad to see them doing well. It's a good baseball city that deserves a winner more than once every 20 years.

 

[harryhood]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

I can't have an opinion because I started the thread? Fast Eddie is a well-known Reds homer

Yea, you're totally not being a homer here.

Do I know you? Because if I did, you'd know I've been to more Reds games than any other team in baseball. Cardinals included. Divisional rivalry aside, I'm glad to see them doing well. It's a good baseball city that deserves a winner more than once every 20 years.

What position was LaRue playing that night?

 

[Premier]

You keep talking in "what ifs" and "what do you expects", but let's deal with facts. Man #1 repeatedly kicked Man #2 in the head during a baseball game. Man #2 is now unable to continue earning a living by playing the game because of the after-effects. Man #1 faced a small fine and missed one start for his actions.Is Man #1 not guilty of assault and on the hook for damages suffered by Man #2?I don't care if it is the Reds or Cardinals or a beer league softball game.

It sounds like you already have your mind made up, so I'm not sure why you even started this thread.

I can't have an opinion because I started the thread? Fast Eddie is a well-known Reds homer

Yea, you're totally not being a homer here.

Do I know you? Because if I did, you'd know I've been to more Reds games than any other team in baseball. Cardinals included. Divisional rivalry aside, I'm glad to see them doing well. It's a good baseball city that deserves a winner more than once every 20 years.

Why would I know and why would I care about how many Reds games you've been to? I know based off of your posts on this forum you're a Cards homer, and you're coming off like one here. Larue put himself in the middle of the brawl, and he has to deal with the consequences.

 

[RnR]

Why would I know and why would I care about how many Reds games you've been to? I know based off of your posts on this forum you're a Cards homer, and you're coming off like one here. Larue put himself in the middle of the brawl, and he has to deal with the consequences.

Great question. You wouldn't know or care, so quit making assumptions about me. Pretty sure a few posts up I said I didn't care if it was a beer league softball game, I just find this whole situation bizarre. If it were Jason Motte kicking Ramon Hernandez, I'd have the same line of questioning for this thread. It just happens to be a Reds player kicking a Cardinals palyer. As far as I'm concerned, Jason LaRue isn't a Cardinal any more than Jim Edmonds is a Red.As far as your assertion that LaRue put himself in the middle of a brawl and has to "deal with the consequences", I just don't find that to be the case legally. If you and I get into this same situation down at the local softball tournament, one of us is going to jail.

 

[RnR]

What position was LaRue playing that night?

Relevance? Both he and Cueto were in their respective dugouts when this initially started.

 

[dparker713]

I'm sure Cueto could reasonably argue he was acting in self defense. It would be hard for LaRue to argue he ran into the middle of a brawl and was hit through no fault of his own.

Cueto really cant argue self defense. He had no business being on the field at that time for any other reason than to participate in a fight. This action would preclude the use of a self-defense as a means of avoiding liability.

WHA?You really think each of the 50 players out there were there with the sole purpose of fighting? That there was simply no other reason for them to be out there?

If the players didn't want to participate, they could have said on the bench or gone anywhere on the field away from the brawl. Heading towards the area is an affirmative action that escalates the brawl and eliminates the 'clean hands' necessary for self defense.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Why would I know and why would I care about how many Reds games you've been to? I know based off of your posts on this forum you're a Cards homer, and you're coming off like one here. Larue put himself in the middle of the brawl, and he has to deal with the consequences.

Great question. You wouldn't know or care, so quit making assumptions about me. Pretty sure a few posts up I said I didn't care if it was a beer league softball game, I just find this whole situation bizarre. If it were Jason Motte kicking Ramon Hernandez, I'd have the same line of questioning for this thread. It just happens to be a Reds player kicking a Cardinals palyer. As far as I'm concerned, Jason LaRue isn't a Cardinal any more than Jim Edmonds is a Red.As far as your assertion that LaRue put himself in the middle of a brawl and has to "deal with the consequences", I just don't find that to be the case legally. If you and I get into this same situation down at the local softball tournament, one of us is going to jail.

If Cueto was close enough and motivated enough to kick LaRue in the head, is it reasonable to assume he was pushing him up into the netting, does LaRue own any responsibility for that? Its hard to see through the video, but I'm going to gather these weren't blindsided kicks to the back of his head for no reason, I see Cueto crushed while a mob of 50 guys+ is in front of him.

 

[dparker713]

Why would I know and why would I care about how many Reds games you've been to? I know based off of your posts on this forum you're a Cards homer, and you're coming off like one here. Larue put himself in the middle of the brawl, and he has to deal with the consequences.

Great question. You wouldn't know or care, so quit making assumptions about me. Pretty sure a few posts up I said I didn't care if it was a beer league softball game, I just find this whole situation bizarre. If it were Jason Motte kicking Ramon Hernandez, I'd have the same line of questioning for this thread. It just happens to be a Reds player kicking a Cardinals palyer. As far as I'm concerned, Jason LaRue isn't a Cardinal any more than Jim Edmonds is a Red.As far as your assertion that LaRue put himself in the middle of a brawl and has to "deal with the consequences", I just don't find that to be the case legally. If you and I get into this same situation down at the local softball tournament, one of us is going to jail.

If Cueto was close enough and motivated enough to kick LaRue in the head, is it reasonable to assume he was pushing him up into the netting, does LaRue own any responsibility for that? Its hard to see through the video, but I'm going to gather these weren't blindsided kicks to the back of his head for no reason, I see Cueto crushed while a mob of 50 guys+ is in front of him.

This need not be an all or nothing situation. LaRue can be partly responsible and Cueto can still be liable.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'm sure Cueto could reasonably argue he was acting in self defense. It would be hard for LaRue to argue he ran into the middle of a brawl and was hit through no fault of his own.

Cueto really cant argue self defense. He had no business being on the field at that time for any other reason than to participate in a fight. This action would preclude the use of a self-defense as a means of avoiding liability.

WHA?You really think each of the 50 players out there were there with the sole purpose of fighting? That there was simply no other reason for them to be out there?

If the players didn't want to participate, they could have said on the bench or gone anywhere on the field away from the brawl. Heading towards the area is an affirmative action that escalates the brawl and eliminates the 'clean hands' necessary for self defense.

Just stop

 

[dparker713]

I'm sure Cueto could reasonably argue he was acting in self defense. It would be hard for LaRue to argue he ran into the middle of a brawl and was hit through no fault of his own.

Cueto really cant argue self defense. He had no business being on the field at that time for any other reason than to participate in a fight. This action would preclude the use of a self-defense as a means of avoiding liability.

WHA?You really think each of the 50 players out there were there with the sole purpose of fighting? That there was simply no other reason for them to be out there?

If the players didn't want to participate, they could have said on the bench or gone anywhere on the field away from the brawl. Heading towards the area is an affirmative action that escalates the brawl and eliminates the 'clean hands' necessary for self defense.

Just stop

Stop what? Explaining the law to you?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh and while Cueto did kick Larue, had Carpenter not instigated the 2nd part of the brawl, maybe Larue could "retire on his own terms". Bottom line is that Cueto is hardly the only one who should be blamed for Larue retiring. Fingers could be pointed at Cueto, Larue himself, Carpenter, Phillips, Molina, and possibly more.

Give me a break. No one is saying that Cueto instigated the fight, or was the only one misbehaving, but the bottom line is that in that scuffle, he wasn't the only one in a difficult spot, but he was the only one being a little ##### and kicking guys in the head and back like the punk that he is.

 

[harryhood]

What position was LaRue playing that night?

Relevance? Both he and Cueto were in their respective dugouts when this initially started.

The relevance is that he didn't have an obligation to be out there. He willfully walked into a scuffle and may or may not have said something to instigate the following actions. Looked to me like Cueto was being pinned up pretty good against the screen. You asked if he could be held liable for Jason LaRue not being able to continue playing baseball. I couldn't find a reason why a court of law could ever say that it was directly Johnny Cueto's fault.

 

[pantagrapher]

Oh and while Cueto did kick Larue, had Carpenter not instigated the 2nd part of the brawl, maybe Larue could "retire on his own terms". Bottom line is that Cueto is hardly the only one who should be blamed for Larue retiring. Fingers could be pointed at Cueto, Larue himself, Carpenter, Phillips, Molina, and possibly more.

Give me a break. No one is saying that Cueto instigated the fight, or was the only one misbehaving, but the bottom line is that in that scuffle, he wasn't the only one in a difficult spot, but he was the only one being a little ##### and kicking guys in the head and back like the punk that he is.

How do you know he was the only person who kicked anyone in that fight?I change my disinterested position after reading some of these self-righteous outrage posts. A brawl is a brawl. You go out there, you need to accept that you could get punched, kicked, choked, elbowed. That's what happens in brawls. LaRue knows this.

 

[Da Guru]

Basebrawls are not really brawls at all. The are and always have been a "cheap shot" convention. Players don`t square off and fight. And the two people who start the fight usually get off fine. Guys run from the dugout and bullpen and just sucker punch the first player that has his back tuned. Or nail someone with a blindside tackle.

I would love to see them fight like the NHL. The batter challenges the pitch..they drop the bat and gloves and go at it without interference until a player is pinned and the umps break it up.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Why would I know and why would I care about how many Reds games you've been to? I know based off of your posts on this forum you're a Cards homer, and you're coming off like one here. Larue put himself in the middle of the brawl, and he has to deal with the consequences.

Great question. You wouldn't know or care, so quit making assumptions about me. Pretty sure a few posts up I said I didn't care if it was a beer league softball game, I just find this whole situation bizarre. If it were Jason Motte kicking Ramon Hernandez, I'd have the same line of questioning for this thread. It just happens to be a Reds player kicking a Cardinals palyer. As far as I'm concerned, Jason LaRue isn't a Cardinal any more than Jim Edmonds is a Red.As far as your assertion that LaRue put himself in the middle of a brawl and has to "deal with the consequences", I just don't find that to be the case legally. If you and I get into this same situation down at the local softball tournament, one of us is going to jail.

If Cueto was close enough and motivated enough to kick LaRue in the head, is it reasonable to assume he was pushing him up into the netting, does LaRue own any responsibility for that? Its hard to see through the video, but I'm going to gather these weren't blindsided kicks to the back of his head for no reason, I see Cueto crushed while a mob of 50 guys+ is in front of him.

This need not be an all or nothing situation. LaRue can be partly responsible and Cueto can still be liable.

I understand that, but what is LaRue's defense if he's pushing the guy up into the netting? I would gather you could term that assault if we got technical, and Cueto acted in self defense? I'm not a legal expert, but I do have a message board username, which is just as good.

 

[Txns8]

Presidence. See the 2003 altercation on the field at practice.

 

[pantagrapher]

Presidence. See the 2003 altercation on the field at practice.

In 2003, Romanowski attacked and injured one of his teammates, Marcus Williams, during a scrimmage. Williams, a backup tight end for the Oakland Raiders, was forced to retire after Romanowski confronted Williams after a play, ripped off his helmet, and crushed his eye socket with a punch

That's nothing like what happened here.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

I think he should be prosecuted.

 

[dparker713]

Why would I know and why would I care about how many Reds games you've been to? I know based off of your posts on this forum you're a Cards homer, and you're coming off like one here. Larue put himself in the middle of the brawl, and he has to deal with the consequences.

Great question. You wouldn't know or care, so quit making assumptions about me. Pretty sure a few posts up I said I didn't care if it was a beer league softball game, I just find this whole situation bizarre. If it were Jason Motte kicking Ramon Hernandez, I'd have the same line of questioning for this thread. It just happens to be a Reds player kicking a Cardinals palyer. As far as I'm concerned, Jason LaRue isn't a Cardinal any more than Jim Edmonds is a Red.As far as your assertion that LaRue put himself in the middle of a brawl and has to "deal with the consequences", I just don't find that to be the case legally. If you and I get into this same situation down at the local softball tournament, one of us is going to jail.

If Cueto was close enough and motivated enough to kick LaRue in the head, is it reasonable to assume he was pushing him up into the netting, does LaRue own any responsibility for that? Its hard to see through the video, but I'm going to gather these weren't blindsided kicks to the back of his head for no reason, I see Cueto crushed while a mob of 50 guys+ is in front of him.

This need not be an all or nothing situation. LaRue can be partly responsible and Cueto can still be liable.

I understand that, but what is LaRue's defense if he's pushing the guy up into the netting? I would gather you could term that assault if we got technical, and Cueto acted in self defense? I'm not a legal expert, but I do have a message board username, which is just as good.

They could both be guilty of assualt, however, pushing and shoving, even punching may fall within the norm of expected behavior in a baseball brawl and if so that could be a valid defense. On the other hand, wildly kicking anyone and everyone is not something that could be expected based upon my observations of baseball brawls.And I wouldnt claim to be a legal expert, but I do have more than just a message board username as legal credentials.