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4th Round - Roy Helu from Nebraska
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Shanahan gets his back of the future? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
No
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
no
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
is this the time of the year when every RB,WR,TE is a superstar in waiting?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
He is better than anything they have now, and a 4th round pick on a RB for Shanny is like anyone else spending a first.
Torain owners will be in denial, but i would love to get Helu with a late first round rookie pick.
Torain owners will be in denial, but i would love to get Helu with a late first round rookie pick.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Helu is a great fit for the Shanahan-led Skins. Zone scheme runner with good straight line speed. Sleeper!
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Footballguy
History tells us 91% of 4th/5th round rbs are busts.
Rookie fever is peaking.
I would guess out of all 4th/5th rbs that jaquizz is the one non bust.
Rookie fever is peaking.
I would guess out of all 4th/5th rbs that jaquizz is the one non bust.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
How many of Shanahans late Rb picks bust? Plus, Helu only needs to beat out Williams and Torain.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
History also tells us the Shanahan and Bobby Turner know what they are doing when they pick RBs. I am not sure Helu will be an every-down guy, but I'm not going to scoff at the notion that he can be a decent play in Washington's zone system.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Probably his back in the current as well as future.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Helu or Royster?Either way, Torain is done.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Helu. Royster isn't very good.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Royster is terrible. I say he doesn't make the team.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
He is Penn State's all-time leading rusher. I wouldn't say Helu is any better at this point.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Which one would you prefer in a rookie draft?
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The rb shanahan traded up for that he picked 70 some spots earlier then the other.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
this
HPD
Footballguy
Torain is 24 and finished the season healthy and with good numbers. As long as Torain remains healthy he is their guy. Granted big if, but Torain is exacty the kind of 1 cut and go guy the Shananigans love. Helu is cut in the same mold. Torain gets hurt, Helu goes in. Simple Shananigan math.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
So would I, but i also think Helu is much better than Royster.
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I couldnt disagree more, the only way Torain starts is if Helu is a complete bust. Even then im not sure Torain will be the starter for long.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Royster looked noticeable slower last yr because he put on 15 lbs and not near as good as he looked his soph and jr year. If he can get drop that weight and get his speed back, he'll give Helu a run for his money
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dgreen
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Barring a FA signing at RB, why are you saying this?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Because Torain is not a good RB, and has no business starting in the NFL. He needed Larry Johnson to be cut mid season to make it up from the practice squad last year. What is it about Torain that makes anyone think he will be the starter next year?
Tweet from Adam schefter and Chris Wesseling
AdamSchefter Fantasy alert: When Mike Shanahan trades picks to move up for a RB, as he did for Nebraska's Roy Helu, it means he likes him. A lot.
about 5 hours ago
ChrisWesseling Dynasty alert: Roy Helu couldn't have landed in a better spot than #Redskins. Perfect for 1-cut offense, Torain an injury waiting to happen
about 5 hours ago
AdamSchefter Fantasy alert: When Mike Shanahan trades picks to move up for a RB, as he did for Nebraska's Roy Helu, it means he likes him. A lot.
about 5 hours ago
ChrisWesseling Dynasty alert: Roy Helu couldn't have landed in a better spot than #Redskins. Perfect for 1-cut offense, Torain an injury waiting to happen
about 5 hours ago
gianmarco
Footballguy
4.5 ypc behind a terrible O-line last year on 164 carries.Started 8 games last year. In those 8 games, had the following:
20/100/2
21/125
24/172
6 games of 18+ carries
The guy isn't an elite talent by any stretch, but he got the job done for them and fits their scheme. What is it about Helu that makes you think he will be the starter? Was it his incredibly high 4th round draft spot?
He may or may not be better than Torain, that remains to be seen. But, barring injury, I'd say it's Torain's job to lose at this point. It may happen, but I think it stands to reason that he gets the starting job based on his experience and his decent #'s last year than a 4th round rookie RB.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Funny comments so far. From what we've seen of Shanny in prior years, it's a safe bet that Torain, Helu and Royster will ALL get a few starts this year. Mark it down!!
fatness
Footballguy
No.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Neither to be honest. I don't think I will ever draft another Shanny RB unless they are a high draft pick ala Portis. There are much safer picks IMO.
Im not sure that oline was terrible. Shanahans zone blocking scheme had made alot of bad rbs look good. Torain came in during the season on fresh legs and had a few good games, I'm not ready to call him a good rb because of it. Helu may not be an elite talent, but I think he is better than Torain and will have little problem taking the starting job.Obviously we won't know who is right for 4-6 months, but I dont think Shanny took two rbs in the draft because he felt good about Torain being the starter.
az_prof
Footballguy
Can Helu block? Fantasy players ignore this, but for a rookie RB, especially a mid round pick, if he is going to see the field much, he has to be a good blocker.
gianmarco
Footballguy
He took RB's in the 4th and 6th round. It's not like they went out and used one of their top 3 picks to get a guy. Did you expect them to not take anyone? Who is behind Torain? Portis is gone. They have Keiland WIlliams and.....??? James Davis? That's it. Of course they were going to take a RB. There were 8 RBs already drafted ahead of him. And it's not as if this guy was highly rated going into the draft either. Helu was drafted not because they don't feel good about Torain being the starter. He was drafted because they don't feel good about Keiland Williams being the only backup. Especially given Torain's injury history. Other than that, there is NOTHING that points to Helu being the starter over Torain at this point. Until Shanahan or someone else from Washington's office comes out and says otherwise, there are far more reasons to expect Torain to have the job until it's lost than vice versa.
Now, if you think Helu will outplay him and take the job, then I won't necessarily argue with that. That's an opinion and I don't feel strongly enough about Torain or know enough about Helu to argue otherwise. But, to say that Helu comes in as the favorite to start flies against common sense at this point.
As for Torain "coming in on fresh legs", he started with 18 carries in week 4 and was considered the starter for the rest of the year with the exception of the 4 games he missed due to injury. In fact, in weeks 4, 5, 6, and 7 his carry totals were 18, 16, 20, and 21. So again, I'm sorry, but that's rubbish.
HPD
Footballguy
This. There is a stupid concept amongst NFL coaches that you need to win the job from a starter, not just cruise in on preseason rookie rotoworld hype.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
BJGE had 1,000 yards and 13 touchdowns last year and New England drafted two backs. Why is everyone so high on Vereen? BJGE had a better season than Torain.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Don't be blinded by the round in which the RBs are taken. It was a deep class as there were many 2nd/3rd tier RBs that normally wouldn't be drafted this late. The NFL has shifted away from drafting RBs early with RBBC and fewer feature backs, along with UDFAs and late round picks doing well across the league. Many good teams are showing their draft smarts in waiting to pick a RB on Day 3, just as I thought they might.
Not slighting the first 4 backs taken - they're fine - but don't discount a 2011 4th round RB because he's in the fourth round. 4th, 5th, 6th round RBs would have been 3rds in prior years.
Not slighting the first 4 backs taken - they're fine - but don't discount a 2011 4th round RB because he's in the fourth round. 4th, 5th, 6th round RBs would have been 3rds in prior years.
fatness
Footballguy
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I disagree with much of this. Wouldn't moving to rbbc necessitate that you take rb's early, much like the fact that teams needing 3 good corners pushes up the value of corners.When exactly did the NFL move away from drafting rb's early? It wasn't in 2008, when 5 rb's were drafted in round 1, many of whom went to a rbbc situation. Ray Rice and Matte Forte went in round 2. Ray Rice looked to be in a logjam. 2009 simply had a bunch of mediocre backs- very few of any note went after 3.01 Shonn Green. Moreno, Brown, and Wells still went in round 1 and McCoy went in round 2. Last year had Spiller, Matthews and Best go in round 1- and the Chargers and Lions traded up to get tier guys. Then McCuster, Gerhart, Tate and Hardesty went in round 2. If you actually look, you will see few backs have gone in round 3 since 2008:2008 Kevin Smith, (Jacob Hester-fb), Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton2009 Shonn Greene, Glenn Coffee,2010 none2011 DeMarco Murray, Stevan Ridley and Alex GreenThe fourth round backs this year, look to me, like fourth round backs. Who of this year's crop in the later rounds looks legitimately like a higher pick? They all have some warts, or simply didn't jump out to teams. There have always been some later rounds picks that find success, and one or two will year as well. I think the huge thing is people get so wrapped up in a particular year's prospects/draft that they quickly forget how good the many marginal NFl rb with 3-5 years experience were in college.
blackbird001
Footballguy
Classic Schefter... When any coach trades picks to move up for any player, it means he likes him. A lot.
What is he really saying here?
Schefter and Shanny are tight so I would listen to anything he has to say regarding the Redskins. Unless they address the O-Line in FA whomever they start is a RB2 or 3 at best.That being said I'm a huge Redskins fan and I wouldn't go anywhere near any Redskins RB.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
The league is, and has always been, a copycat league. The league is throwing the ball more, and practically everyone is saying that RBBC is the way most teams are going, or at least a "2 back system'. Add in that the NFL is now pass-happy where a franchise QB is the dominant way to get to the postseason, everything about a passing game is more important. Pass protection, QBs, WRs, and defenders to rush the passer and blanket WRs. That's one of the reasons DEs were coveted this draft.Factor in that some teams were successful with later round RBs or UDFAs at the position and many are reconsidering when they should draft that position. With teams able to get more backs later due to the depth of the position - most everyone said that the RB pool was deep this year, even if it all wasn't "A" grade RBs - many teams were able to successfully wait to get one. Indy, Philly, Washington, and Atlanta all got guys on Day 3 that can contribute to their offenses in some way, shape or form in a RBBC scenario as early this year. Even Buffalo got a guy who could replace Fred Jackson next year. It is supply and demand. Even with RBBC, there's no more than 64 jobs for RBs in the NFL. I'd say 15-18 viable fantasy contributor RBs might be coming into the league this season alone, and it wouldn't be too hard to find 40-45 guys already in the NFL that can do the same.
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Curious if you are an owner??
fatness
Footballguy
I agree with all this.The 2 things to know are that Torain was hit behind the line on many of his runs yet wasn't stopped, and that he has a history of being injured a lot.To me that means that, when Torain's healthy he's a better starter for the Redskins than Helu because he's better at shedding or breaking tackles (going by what I've seen of Torain and what I've read about Helu). Either back is going to get hit at or behind the line a lot, given the quality of their offensive line. It also means that Helu or someone else will be seeing significant playing time when Torain's injured.
Eastwood
Footballguy
How do you explain a few of Torin's big games then? We all know he's not an elite back. But he managed 172 yards vs the Bucs, 125 vs the Bears. The line CAN block, it just wasn't always healthy and didn't do it consistently.
fatness
Footballguy
Torain broke a lot of tackles behind and at the line of scrimmage and kept going without slowing down. The reason he was hit behind the line and at the line so often was the crummy line play.
It seems everyone has forgotten Shanahan's RB magic. Torian has the advantage in that he already knows the offense. He will be the first one up to bat. If he struggles or get injured Helu will get an opportunity which, looking at Helu's college career and Shanahan's ability to get production from his RBs, could be special.
Obviously, this all hinges on passing production.
If Reuben Droughns can be passed off as a starting RB, pretty much anybody can.
Obviously, this all hinges on passing production.
If Reuben Droughns can be passed off as a starting RB, pretty much anybody can.
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My last post got fd up by quotes, smartphone. My somment starts -to jump in- and the previous poster said -curious if owner-
